Why are atheists afraid to speak against the Holy Spirit?

After discussing religion with a variety of atheists on the Hub's forum pages, it became apparent that when pushed into a corner they changed the subject or played tag team between two or more of them, raising factitious commentary, to avoid answering certain questions.

One in particular, who had previously professd a faith, but now denied all religion, seemed to evade the point, and the point was:

As an atheist, why do you not speak against the Holy Spirit?

This may seem like a simple question to anybody who does not believe in God, but in scripture (which they decry as worthless) it clearly states that anybody can malign God or Christ, and suffer no consequence (which atheists do all the time) but speaking against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin, and those who do are subject to damnation without possibility of forgiveness.

I guess Lucifer must have committed this sin before he was thrown out of heaven, and as Lucifer is their boss (by default)they are probably a mite wary about doing the same.

In any case I wanted to test the theory, and as atheists regularly post forum subjects that are designed to bait believers, I decided to do the same to them.

In doing this I was wrong. Just because the enemy seeks to distract you does not give a believer the right to strike back, it's Christianity 101 and I know that, and I was in error.

The result was to be expected.


For anybody interested here is a link to the forum in question. I have no idea how long it will be up once the hyenas have stopped picking the bones of the question, so I have also posted it below, although below does not have all the commentary, just the question.


Here is the question asked...

Cruising these forums it's easy to see that there are a few atheists who spend their time protesting against God's existence and accusing the brethren in general. 

But why are they afraid to speak against the Holy Spirit? 

Could it be these verses of scripture?; 

Matthew 12:30-37 

"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 

Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. 

Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 

You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. 

The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 

But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 

For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
 

Can it be that in their heart, they just ain't 100% sure that what they preach is true? 

HEALTH WARNING 

This is a serious matter and I am NOT advising anyone to speak against the Holy Spirit, for that appears to be an unforgivable sin, however this obviously only applies to believer and agnostics. Presumably any atheist will have no problem about it. 

Aftermath of the question

A few hours later the forum seems to be deserted except for the atheists having a banter between themselves.

I withdrew from the debated when another believer posted commentary which made me question my motives and position. I have thanked him for that privately. Others have asked me to stay in the forums debating with the atheists, but I came to these pages to write and publish and learn in the process.

I have learnt relatively quickly that the forums are fun, but take up too much time that could be better spent writing and researching new hubs.

It should be remembered that the non believers on these forums are charged by their master Lucifer, with distracting and occupying the believers so that the Word of God may be thwarted, if that were possible.

They will deny this, they may not even want to be aware that they serve the grand liar, deceiver, murderer and thief named Lucifer.

I am writing his job description as a pointer to them; for if they ever manage to see through his deceptions.

I am not being abusive, these are the titles that he is given in the bible, I am simply addressing him by his legal titles.

To believers that wish to continue with these unbelievers in the hope that they will one day 'see the truth' I say be aware that their task is to keep you from doing what God wants us to do, and that friendship with them, feigned or real is not only a waste of time, but needs caution in order that you yourselves may not become contaminated by their dross.

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tantrum 6 years ago from Tropic of Capricorn

I don't know any atheist who's afraid of speaking against the Holy spirit. Why would we, if we don't believe ?

I think it to be very offensive, for you to say that we are such cowards. We, afraid of such nonsense?!

Really?

How rude of you just to imply something like that !

I'm impressed! In the wrong way, I'm sorry to say .


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi tantrum...

Indeed, why would anyone who did not believe.... it's the verity of the non belief that made me realise that although I saw people maligning and blaspheming against Christ and God, nobody used the same language against the Holy Spirit, who is, after all, the MAIN active ingredient of the Trinity on earth.

Now why was that?

I'm sorry that you find my position 'rude and offensive' - funnily enough I find the current crop of unbelievers 'rude and offensive'also, but maybe this track only leads one way.

It happens to be a fact that AFTER 40+ years of unbelief I came to faith in Christ, and hold Him to be God.

Why am I not allowed to get offended and respond to your cabals constant maligning of Him and His people?

To you He does not exist, to us, He is God.


Nia L 6 years ago

You might find this interesting since you're interested in God:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Scientific-Evidence-of-the...


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi Nia,

I did find it interesting, hence I have approved the post and link, for I have no fear that it conflicts with my view of God whatsoever, nor will it confuse any true believer.

Your Prophet was from the birth line of Shem, and God blessed the Shemetic people, indeed in the Bible it clearly states in Genesis 9-27 "God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant."

Now I am of Japheth and understand what 'enlarge' has meant, because Japheths have taken the world by force historically, but the really interesting thing is where God tells Noah that Japheth "shall dwell in the tents of Shem".

We Japheth's do just that; we get our mathmatics, science, medicine, numbers, philosophy and of course finances and oil (to put the modern slant on it) from Shem.

This has been the cause of much latent anti-Semitism in Christianity (where most Japheths reside)

Many people who call themselves Christians forget that God blessed the Shemetic people group, not just those who became the Hebrews, via Issac but also those who came via Ishmael.

I have much disagreement with modern fundamentalists from both Islam and Christianity, however I will state that had I have studied the Quran before I studied the Bible, (I have studied the Quran, but in English) I could easily have been a Muslim now, rather than a Christian.

The reasoning for my not being a Muslim was simple.... having read the bible I could see that either God had changed His mind over certain key elements of the Bible, or the two books were delivered by different entities.

The other determining point for me was that as a former professional typesetter, I am used to reading and noting typesetting instructions in text, and the following instruction I cannot avoid or ignore:

Revelation 22 18-21

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

These are the literal LAST WORDS of the bible and our instruction from Jesus Christ.

How could I ignore them?


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donotfear 6 years ago from The Boondocks

Wow...another great subject. I know exactly what you mean and have seen the same thing you talk about. I am in the affirmative with my feelings on this. Keep preaching, it's motivating and humbling.


Nia L 6 years ago

OK. But if you've studied the bible, then of coarse you know that it got altered by man. Again this statement "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book" contradicts this these statements :

Jesus (p.b.u.h) says: "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth (referring to Muhammad) is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me" (John; 16:12-14).

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me." (John; 15:26). "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." (John; 16:7).

prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) is also prophecized in the bible by name as I explained in my hub.

However, there is an explanation for this statement : "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." And the explanation is that man is not allowed to add anything to the Word of God once it is revealed. Man can not change it or alter it. That did happen unfortunately. The Bible did get changed. This statement does not say that God Himself will never reveal another Book. It just prohibits MAN from adding anything to it. So, this verse can not be used to deny the Quran since the Quran is not an addition by man, but a Book by God.

You say how can I ignore these statements, well, if you read my hub "Scientific evidence of the existence of God" then how can you ignore that? Do you really think that that is a work or man?


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi Nia.... I feel another hub coming on here! Thanks.

You have given me my homework, I love long posts with multiple points for my weekend enjoyment!

......anyhow I will copy your post to my notebook and work through it point by point, then return it to you.

Please be assured that I am NOT an Islamophobic seeking to attack 'YOUR' religion and promote 'MY' religion, nor to prove their separation, UNLESS they ARE seperate versions.

Part of the problem of religion is definitely mans corruption of the texts, however there is a reasonable argument to say that God HAS provided to mankind, even in the worse translation, sufficient information to allow anyone who seeks to find the pathway to God.

I sought and found Jesus after much dithering around. I actually came to read the bible from reading a sci-fi book by Robert Heinlien (Job) which was a parody of the book of Job. God used it to get my scattered mind into focussing on reading the original and comparing it to the Hienlien version. Hienlien had many biblical parody's in his work, he had a character called Lazarus Long who kept being reborn.... He was a non believer, but God still used him, like Baalams ass, to reach me!

I cannot accept that the Holy Spirit is actually the Mohammed of your Quran, but I will research it, along with your other points and get back to you.

I am a seeker of the truth, and will accept whatever IS the truth, confirmed by the word and the Holy Spirit, who will lead us to all truth.

Can you agree with that?


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Thanks donotfear, believe me, I'll keep preaching the Word, and those with ears to hear will receive it!


Nia L 6 years ago

Hi Aguasilver,

I can definitely agree with that. In fact, I too, was a seeker of truth but I'm glad to say that I have found it. You said that the corruption of the text is part of religion. But here is another point which I'd like you to research on and get back to me: The preservation of the Quran. God says in the Quran that He Himself is gaurding it as I mentioned in my hub. And for a fact, we know that not a word has been changed in it by man. Two copies of the copied text of the original Quran authenticated by the Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey. So, even if someone tries to change it, the original text can be checked for confirmation. I would not think that God would leave an altered book for the enire humanity to follow, if He was capable of revealing another one and protecting it. You said that you can not accept that the Holy Spirit mentioned it Muhammad (p.b.u.h). That is quite understandable. You dont have to accept it. But if the bible mentions Muhammad's (p.b.u.h) name would you accept that? That is also something I'd like you to research on and get back to me. They have translated his name to "the lovely one" in English but the original script has the name "Muhammad" in it.

Thank you and I would like to clarify that I'm also not someone trying to put down other people's beliefs. In fact, it is part of the Muslim faith to believe in all the previous prophets and love and respect them.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Then we must be able to find a mutual truth! :o)

I will study (to be approved) and get back to you!

John


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LizzieTrueBlue 6 years ago from US

I would answer the question by saying that the Holy spirit in which you and others believe is not relevant to me. I would not typically address it separately from God because I do not believe in any supernatural and this spirit would certainly fall into that category.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi Lizzie,

That's understood, my question was not specifically to you,or indeed the many other atheists who hub, but to the three atheists who spend their time making inane and abusive comments on the Christian forum. They will willingly abuse Christ and God, but always seemed to leave the Holy Spirit out of the blasphemies.

I wondered WHY,(if as an atheist, one did not believe whatsoever in the existence of God), would the Holy Spirit be immune from the normal abuse poured out on Christ and God.

The verses making plain the penalty for speaking against the Holy Spirit made me wonder how many atheists were truly secure in their 'faith'. Hence the question, and the hub.

It could have been better worded and presented, however the small cabal of atheists who pour scorn can claim a modicum of success for getting me to react rather than respond.

I have closed that loophole now, by choosing NOT to pay any attention to their juvenile and puerile attacks upon myself and other believers.

Thanks for your comment, it was considered and civilised!


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50 Caliber 6 years ago from Arizona

An interesting point for a hub. I find it treacherous ground to be sure.

One should flee from evil, and at the same time, one should testify to unbelievers.

Discernment would be prudent.

I found a couple of points worthy of discussion but unrelated to the Hub.

I will read more of your hubs and may be given opportunity to address them there.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi 50 Caliber,

I'm always open to correction and am aware that the original forum subject and this hub are tricky grounds for believers to traverse.

But I do have a peace about hubbing it, and I am persuaded that any fool ("A fool says there is no God" type of fool)who would speak against the Holy Spirit has already entered into Satan's clutches and was damned already.

This is one of those circular loop discussions...

Anyone who WOULD speak against the Holy Spirit is damned anyway.... but anyone who will not still has hope.

I look forward to your comments at any time, I'll drop you an email so you can communicate directly if you wish!


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spiderpam 6 years ago from USA

I've had the same question in my head. You've made a lot of really good points. I need to read the rest of your work! God Bless.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Thanks Pam, I look forward to hearing your comments and if needed, correction once you've read any hubs you decide to read!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

I really enjoy your writing and observations! Just for mere informational purposes, you might want to check out my hub called "The Unholy Trinity", which reveals the antithesis of the Qu'ran with the Bible. There are those of the Muslim faith that state the number 666 is holy; the 12th Imam or the Mahdi (Mehdi) is the return of Muhammad, who, of course, has Isa (Jesus) praying behind him...to rule for seven years. Their Allah is not Spirit (as some Muslims have stated), yet the God of the Bible is Spirit (the Holy Spirit). They also do not believe Jesus Christ rose from the dead in a physical, incorruptible body. Their Allah is called the "son of the dawn", "the Great Deceiver", "the king of the underworld" and so forth. Anyhow, you might find the hub interesting and I'm just so thankful you found the Way!! God be with you in His powerful ministry through you!


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

JD, I thank you for your information, I am aware of the differences between Islam and Christ, and have read the Quran (in English) when I first decided that apologetics was a valid course to follow in this deceived world.

I owe the Muslim inquirer(I think she is a woman) a reply, but hubs and living have taken up some time.

I'm new to these pages, but impressed at how powerful a witnessing tool they can be, I hope in time to refine the process and use it for true evangelism (i.e. teaching others to start reaching out to the lost.

Thanks for your encouragement, sometimes in the forum I wonder, but as long as my brothers and sisters support me in prayer and word, it seems OK!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

I just praise God for you. He is using you for His glory in all things ~ never forget!! He promises that His Word NEVER returns void!! But, you are right that there comes a time to "shake the dust" or "not cast pearls". The Word of God draws all men unto Himself and we will share the gospel of salvation through Jesus Christ until He comes again!

Jesus said in Mat 5:11-12, "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Thank you JD, you are a blessing to me and a good sister to have in faith.


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Sanctus Vesania 6 years ago

Hi there John;

I've come to a conclusion that an atheist, a true atheist 'cannot' blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Why is this? Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is saying that the divine power of God and Jesus Christ comes from Satan.

As atheists don't believe in God, or Satan, then they can't accredit God's power to Satan.

Good hub by the way.


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AdsenseStrategies 6 years ago from CONTACT ME at Adsensibilities@gmail.com

This is just my two-cents' worth, and I don't know if it counts as speaking against the Holy Spirit, but I can say that, given the theory that the Holy Spirit is supposed to exist in every "saved" Christian, and convert that person's character, I have to say that the whole idea is a little suspect... because I see lots of evidence that many of these people's characters are not changed (for the better) at all.

In addition to this, the notion that there is a sin for which you cannot be forgiven flies in the face of the ENTIRE Christian doctrine, and delivers it a death knell of resounding proportions.

I always remember coming across the passage in Acts where God strikes a couple dead for not sharing their money with the rest of the community... either God so loved the world so much..... etc., ie., either God embodies compassion and forgiveness, and part of this includes *consistency of behaviour so you can be trusted*, or he is actually inconsistent, and sometimes petulant.

Anyway, I am not trying to downgrade your religion... in fact, I am saying just the opposite -- that the doctrine that there is a sin for which you cannot be forgiven flies in the face of the heart of Christian faith.

See you on the forums! ;-)


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi AdSense,

Holy Spirit..."because I see lots of evidence that many of these people's characters are not changed (for the better) at all."

I agree, indeed if you read my hubs you will find I've said many times that if you ain't been in filled with the Holy Spirit, you ain't a Christian. No problem there!

Equally ONCE someone has been in filled and experienced the Holy Spirit, there is normally no going back EXCEPT by their reprobate activity and denying the Holy Spirit.

That's why God calls it an unforgivable sin, for IF you have known God's Holy Spirit, you could not recant of the knowledge.

That's why the disciples were all killed horribly (except John, and we still don't know where he is!)and never recanted.

"the doctrine that there is a sin for which you cannot be forgiven flies in the face of the heart of Christian faith."

That's why many folk are questioning whether hell was a Roman Catholic invention.... it would make evangelism a whole lot easier if we could take out the errors made by 'traditional religion' from our faith.

See you later in the forum!

John


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Sanctus Vesania 6 years ago

Hi John,

You wrote: "That's why many folk are questioning whether hell was a Roman Catholic invention"

I can't speak for ALL believers of universal salvation, but a lot of us either question, or are confident that hell was an ancient pagan invention (Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Sumeria etc) which was "borrowed" by the Roman Catholic Church; and then "adopted" by her protestant daughter.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi SV, Understood, but most folk reading will still have a problem with even ascribing hell to the RCC, let alone taking it to the pagans!

Kipling (I think) said: 'Slowly slowly catchee monkey' and too much information at one time simply floods the readers ability to consume and digest what you are saying.

Besides which, I present concepts and things to think about, not dogma or doctrine!

I can differ from you on doctrines without having to fall out over it, if you put too much on the table most folk will walk away muttering heretic.... no gain there!

Your last off-line post was interesting, I'd like to do an 'interview' with you and then maybe a joint hub worked around the interview.... does that sound interesting?


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Sanctus Vesania 6 years ago

Hi John,

I think I see your point there.

As for an 'interview' and joint hub, that sounds interesting.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Good we can speak off-line, I'll email you!

John


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jparedes 6 years ago from Makakilo, Hawaii

Thanks Aguasilver for standing up for our Lord! He certainly deserves it. Great job on this hub!


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heavenbound5511 5 years ago from Under the shadow of the Almighty God!

Hi!

Interesting page.

Recently while on youtube I came across the blasphemy challenge that is online and encouraging people to do the unforgivable sin blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Now in one of these response videos this girl makes a good point 1st they have to acknowledge the miracles and works of Jesus/Holy Spirit. 1st they have to admit and know that God's spirit is real for them to even be able to blaspheme against the Holy Sprit.

Here's the link> http://www.youtube.com/user/brittanykamalei#p/a/u/2/Mp6K9Opbp5Q

God bless you and thanks for a good page!


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Woman Of Courage 5 years ago

aquasilver, This is an excellent subject. I believe atheists believe God exist. This is why they will not speak against the holy spirit. The atheists frequent the forums and repeat the same words over and over to convince themselves that there is no God. It doesn't seem they are 100% sure what they preach is true. Thanks for sharing. God bless you!


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lone77star 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

Fascinating journey into the darker side of "wonderland."

Could it be that the "Holy spirit" is our true immortal selves, sleeping within us? Could it be that the source of all evil is "ego" (the physical, pseudo-self which consumes so many humans)? And could it be this "ego" which is the self which needs to die before we can gain everlasting life?

Perhaps there is a reticence for atheists to speak ill of the "Holy spirit," because deep down they know it is their true selves and diss'ing their immortal selves is tantamount to suicide on a more permanent basis.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi Carl,

Excellent summation, I've read some of your stuff and will read more, very challenging for a simple life-form such as myself, but I DO bow to your obviously superior intellect!

Hope in time I will be able to keep up with you in understanding!

And I agree, ego is the real problem, and most atheists major in ego!

John


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lone77star 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

My dear John! Superior? I wept at reading that. Oh, if it were only true that I could be so close to the salvation promised us. I know not where I am on that path; I only know that I am on that path, though perhaps, at times, imperfectly so. And there are times when my own ego rears its ugly head and I need to ask forgiveness and seek to cleanse myself of its painful attachments.

Atheists with ego? Some seem to have their PhD in it. And I suppose all we can do is turn the other cheek and move on. I deeply look forward to reading more of your own discoveries.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Carl, no bluff, just honor where honor is due, we all stand to bless or be blessed by those we meet, your hubs have blessed me, so honor is due.


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

Romans 3: 3What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it

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