Why sin does not exist

Many people have found it difficult to comprehend why I often refer to sin as defined in the bible as an imaginary concept. As a result of this I have grown weary of trying to explain it so I have decided to write a post on the matter that should clearly state my position and why I have come to believe in it so firmly. So in order to lay out my position in the most clear and concise way let’s begin by defining what we mean by the word sin as it is used in a religious context.

Noun: An act that is regarded by theologians as a transgression of God’s will.

Verb: Commit a sin; violate a law of God or a moral law.


I obtained these definitions from my Sage dictionary and thesaurus and I have chosen this definition because it best suits my position. In order for sin to be a real concept as it is defined in the bible, God has to be real. Without the existence of God the concept of sin also does not exist. As an atheist and one without a belief in gods I neither acknowledge the idea of a god of any kind. In my view there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of God or gods; especially like the one described in the biblical texts.


Contrary to what many Christians believe morals do not come from God. They come from our own various cultures and societies. Every society has its own set of moral laws and precepts and they don’t all agree. In a cannibalistic society for instance it was not immoral to not only kill your enemies but to eat them as well. Ancient warriors from tribal Africa and other parts of the world used to remove and eat the hearts of their fallen enemies in the belief that they would possess his soul or some of his warrior prowess. This is also evident in societies that thought that sacrificing humans to their gods were the norm.


As societies evolved these practices slowly faded away and laws were made that benefited a people rather than drive them to extinction. You don’t need God or some moral code from a so called divinely inspired book to know that murder is wrong or that rape is a disgusting and heinous crime. If you have these impulses then I suggest you consider psychiatric treatment and some serious medication.


A being that conveniently exists outside of time and space who created us all and loves and cares for us greatly is utterly ridiculous and childish. Not only is this particular God unbelievable but he is evil in more ways than one can imagine. Every “sin” or commandment that he has imposed upon man he has violated in one way or another. But his followers insist that he is holy and untarnished when the Old Testament and the New Testament clearly demonstrate the falsity of this claim.


Apologists are constantly looking for defenses to what is termed the problem of evil as it exists in the world and as a reference to some of the vile acts that the bible claims that God committed against mankind. They try hard to defend the reprehensible acts of God as a criminal defense lawyer tries to get the notorious mob boss off even after knowing that he is guilty as charged. Christians purposely and knowingly ignore their God’s reprehensible acts and make such foolish statements like “he is God he can do as he pleases.” Besides, who are we to judge God?


So for my Christian friends I have one question. If you were told to worship Hitler would you do it? If your answer is no: then why not? Is it because he killed a total of around 11 million people if you add those others that died aside from the Jews? Is it because in your eyes you have been led to believe that he is the most evil man that has ever walked the earth? If these are your reasons for rejecting to bow down and worship Hitler then you must also refuse to worship your imaginary God. For his list of evil accolades far exceed those of Hitler.


The bible is rife with passages where the good Lord smote people for the smallest of infractions under the law. Do you really believe that you were born a vile and filthy sinful creature by default because of something that allegedly happened in the fictional Garden of Eden? By eating a piece of fruit our ancestors inherited the knowledge of good and evil, and their act of disobedience to God has cursed mankind forever. God didn’t just punish and curse the offenders he cursed the entire human race for a crime that they did not even commit! It sickens me to hear the Christian deluded masses yammering on about how just God is.


Basing ourselves on what the bible defines as sin we can rest assured that sin does not exist. Sin is not a genetic component of our biological makeup. Nor is it something that we can touch, taste, feel, or see with our five senses. The only place that sin exists is in the minds of those that have decided to buy into the myths of the bible.


I am a firm believer in the idea that man has a dual nature. I think that within each and every one of us is the propensity to commit evil acts as well as good. But I think that this is just a part of our nature and not some inherent curse imposed on us by God. A woman fighting for her life to thwart an attack would have no problem in the heat of the moment of trying to hurt or kill her attacker. The mildest mannered individual when pushed can snap. Just like animals that normally are not aggressive by nature when cornered can become ferocious.


Sin does not exist because God does not exist and therefore there is no one to “offend.” Sin is only real to those that have been tricked into believing the bible and the tales it spins about our origins and our nature. Sin is not real because it is an idea that is both irrational and unreasonable. Even if God did exist I would not worship him because I find his acts as told in the bible more repulsive and immoral than anything I could ever commit.

Comments 21 comments

Sooner28 4 years ago

There's a famous philosophical dilemma with regards to God and morality.

If God chooses something because it is good, then morality exists outside of God; however, if something is good because God chooses it, then God could order the rape of babies to be moral and human beings could not object (insert any random immoral atrocity you desire).

This leaves us with two choices: morality exists outside of God, or God can order ANYTHING to be moral. Very few people, even believers, are willing to admit that God can order ANYTHING to be moral. Therefore, the only possible conclusion is that morality exists outside of God.

This is known as the euthyphro dilemma if you are interested.


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chatpilot 4 years ago from Bronx, NY Author

I wrote a post on my blog about this Sooner entitled 'Do as I say not as I do' thanks for bringing it up.


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asamanthinketh 4 years ago

Sin does exist and every knee will bow and tongue confess that God is who He said He is. He has given each of us this knowledge in our very makeup of knowing innately He is there. There's no way to escape the knowledge you have of His existence. I really pray you reconsider your position.

If I'm wrong, when I die, I've lost nothing; if you're wrong, when you die, you've lost everything.

You're a very good writer, by the way. Blessings to you and yours.


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chatpilot 4 years ago from Bronx, NY Author

@asamanthinketh, thanks for the compliments regarding my writing. As far as God's existence being innate I strongly doubt that and throwing out Pascals wager does not make you right nor the bible true.

God is in fact "there" in the minds of those that choose to believe whichever religion you have subscribed to. I'm sure the Muslims and others might agree. The existence of God is a state of mind based on what you have consciously been convinced of.


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asamanthinketh 4 years ago

You're welcome. I appreciate your thoughts. We'll agree to disagree. I'll look up "Pascals wager" since I don't know what that is. I base my beliefs on the Bible and what God has done in my life, seeing evidence of his existence all around me. I guess you're right in the sense that God can close someone's eyes and harden their heart to Him if that person is intent on not believing. Once He opens your eyes, though, watch out; it's quite a ride. A lot of people believe as you do so you are definitely not alone.


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chatpilot 4 years ago from Bronx, NY Author

@asamanthinketh, the statement you made: "If I'm wrong, when I die, I've lost nothing; if you're wrong, when you die, you've lost everything." is a perfect example of Pascals wager. He basically said that it can't hurt to believe if its true you win and if its not there's nothing lost. But if you choose to disbelieve and you are wrong the consequences are much greater (hell).

I don't know if you know this but I was a Pentecostal evangelist for four years with my own ministry. I tried God and got nowhere. I feel that there is no one out there that can say I have not given God a chance. That is one of the greatest things that I take offense to. I've been on both sides of the fence so I think I have given both view points a fair shake and I find atheism more convincing.

While you see God's works all around you I look at the same things and see nature at work without the necessity for a God or some other form of direction. I guess it's all about interpretation.


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asamanthinketh 4 years ago

Fair enough. Did not mean to offend. Have a great day


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AntonOfTheNorth 4 years ago from The Land Up Over

Hi Chatpilot,

" Even if God did exist I would not worship him because I find his acts as told in the bible more repulsive and immoral than anything I could ever commit."

the odds of any human accurately describing any entity capable of a 1000th of the acts attributed to god are zero.

The bible is a human construct, describing human experiences and trying to put them into a god construct.

discarding the bible is a good first step, but realize of course the things you have rejected are all human things. no god in any of them.

However, I did not reject mathematics when I encountered a bad math teacher, nor did I dislike shakespeare because I saw a play of his badly performed.

I'm not saying you should believe in god. I'm saying rejecting the human construct of religion does not, to me, lead logically to 'there is no god'.

It just means that humans have no means of describing such a being without corrupting that description with their own perception.

Even if one exists, it is so unlikely we could hope to describe one.

just a thought (and a late night one at that, so probably not as coherent as I would like.) :)

cheers


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chatpilot 4 years ago from Bronx, NY Author

I agree with your analyses but I personally believe that the idea of gods is an human invention to explain what otherwise could not be explained. Have you noticed how much God looks like us?


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AntonOfTheNorth 4 years ago from The Land Up Over

From the play 'Inherit the Wind':

"God created man in his own image, and man, being a gentlemen, returned the favour."

If I endowed an ant with intelligence and asked it to describe that which built the concrete, I doubt it would imagine a giant, soft, relatively weak (for its great size) unarmoured, thinly populated, inherently uncooperative, big headed, visually impaired biped with no natural lifting or grinding tool sets to speak of.

but I'm only guessing :)

cheers


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chatpilot 4 years ago from Bronx, NY Author

Lmfao Anton!! Thanks for your post my friend.


heather johnson 4 years ago

You wrote:

"As societies evolved these practices slowly faded away and laws were made that benefited a people rather than drive them to extinction. You don’t need God or some moral code from a so called divinely inspired book to know that murder is wrong or that rape is a disgusting and heinous crime. If you have these impulses then I suggest you consider psychiatric treatment and some serious medication."

There can be no judgements of "right" or "wrong" without a morality code OF S OME KIND. The law has such a code. It may or may not be biblically based, but it IS a morality code. If morality didn't exist, then rape would be not either good or bad. It would just be.


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chatpilot 3 years ago from Bronx, NY Author

@heather johnson

You wrote:

If morality didn't exist, then rape would be not either good or bad. It would just be.

The problem with this is that I did not say in this post that morality did not exist. I said that sin as defined in the bible does not exist, there is a huge difference. Morality is in my view derived from our own cultures and the societies we are raised in. Our morals are derived from human experience and are a cultural phenomenon. There is no need to invent a God and call it our source for morals. Like I stated in the article the biblical God is a shining example of what immorality really is.

The biblical idea of sin is what God chooses to call sin, but as illustrated in the scriptures if he commands you to violate the law then it is okay. The bible says that killing is a sin, yet God had the Hebrews slaughter every culture they came across in order to inhabit the so called promise land. In that instance killing was just fine.


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AmbitiousMarketer 3 years ago from England

The worlds most powerful Empire were smart enough to know their most dangerous threat came from the citizens within their walls. Keep those people in fear without using force i.e God-fearing citizens and the Empire is safe, shake a buildings foundations and the structure will weaken.

Let's say in the bible it said if you sin you will manifest a nasty incurable disease. Everyone believes this to be true. Then the odd 1 or 2 would sin but it was innocent like stealing bread. They feared a destructive disease would wake them up at night and cause this unimaginable pain in their organs. This didn't happen, so being slightly doubtful, they'd go a little further and further until people realised you won't manifest a disease if you sin.

Telling people that they'd go to Hell after they die is a lot more frightening because we know people can't come back from the dead and prove this theory wrong. It's certainly a lot scarier if you don't know whether it's true or not as you can't see or hear it.

The Roman Empire wouldn't have been so successful had it not been for their intelligent leaders


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chatpilot 3 years ago from Bronx, NY Author

That's is exactly the purpose of religion. It is a system that rules by coercion and irrational fear! Fear is the foundation of faith.


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jonnycomelately 3 years ago from Tasmania

Brilliantly put together, this Hub. Well done, chatpilot.


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chatpilot 3 years ago from Bronx, NY Author

Thanks, I am glad you enjoy it. I haven't been as active on it as I would like to but that's about to change so check in often.


Arthur 2 years ago

"Contrary to what many Christians believe morals do not come from God. They come from our own various cultures and societies."

I suspect that you may be confusing various ways in which morals 'come from' God, Chatpilot. The claim that morals 'come from' God might mean:

1 - That morality exists only because God exists (after all, *absolutely everything* is supposed to exist only because God exists, that's the idea)

2 - That we need God to tell us what's good for us to know that it's good

"Every society has its own set of moral laws and precepts and they don’t all agree."

Yes, but what exactly are you claiming is the significance of this fact? It's true that there isn't total agreement about morality, but then, there isn't total agreement about all kinds of things that we nonetheless think are objective. For instance, there isn't much agreement on whether God exists, whether evolution happened, whether global warming is occurring, you name it. But something tells me that you've nonetheless made up your mind about some of these issues anyway and don't consider them to be subjective or invented by society.

It would also be worth weighing up the ways in which there *is* agreement on many moral issues. Pretty much every human society is against killing babies, for instance. If disagreement about morality indicates that it's invented, why doesn't agreement indicate that it's not?


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Pai Di King 2 years ago

Thank you so much@Chatpilot for your fruitful views. Since when I was adolescent I really doubted the current belief of all of these mess of religions. I was born to Roman Catholic parents and was taught a lot of things regarding god, the creator. I also converted to Jehovah-s witnesses and Adventist Church later. I never found any proper definition of who really god is. Today, I doubt if there is a god. Look around you in every angle of this planet how many people are suffering despite millions of prayers addressed to him on daily basis...so if there is a god, he is just jealous of us or he does not care about us at all. Doing my research about what we call sin, I have concluded that there is no sin like you. I found out that god of the bible killed a total of 2,476,633 people. But that didn't include some of God's most impressive slaughters. How many did God drown in the flood or burn to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? How many first-born Egyptians did he kill? The Bible doesn't say, so there's no way to know for sure. The so called Satan killed only 10 people according to the bible. If God and Satan both exist, who is worth of praise? I have now stopped praying a such god who committed crimes against humanity more than Hitler. An other proof that god is an imaginary concept inverted based on fear is that the so called prayers are not even answered. In brief, God does not exist, Satan does not exist and sin does not exist as well. human kind must wake up! Religion doctrines should be abolished.


noname 22 months ago

nonsense!!!!! Your views are moronic. Its as simple as this, God loves everyone! and the rest is on you. Sorry you chose not to love him back. boo who, put your big girl panties on. Pentecostal??? maybe that was your first problem. where in your overbearing rules and laws does it say you should conform to Pentecostal? You didn't give God chance. you gave organized religion a chance. God never intended there to be more than one religion. That my friend came from the one who wants to do everything in his power to keep you away from God. And the way you write. Satan is doing a great job with you!


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jonnycomelately 22 months ago from Tasmania

noname nonsense, for sure! Now, look into a mirror and tell yourself who's views are moronic.

Step down from your self-proclaimed "right" way of thinking and admit that others are free to choose their own way of thinking without judgment from religious people like yourself..... or from people like myself who choose to disagree with you.

Your beliefs will not suffer just people don't agree with you. Just simply welcome the diversity of views as all part of the great tapestry of life.

If you believe there is/was a Creator, then stop trying to interfere with his/her/its artistry.

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