Jesus Never Mentioned the Millennium Reign

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Introduction

  • Act 1:3 KJV To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Jesus spoke 'of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God' during the forty days prior to His ascension. Yet, during His ministry, there is no record of Him ever mentioning a 'thousand years reign on earth'. Surely, it is reasonable to assume Jesus would have mentioned it, if such an important doctrine existed in the plan and purpose of God.

  • Act 1:6 KJV When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Not only did Jesus never mention a thousand years reign on earth, He refrained from discussing the restoration of the kingdom to Israel.

  • Mat 21:43 KJV Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Undeterred by Christ's warning to the chief priests and the elders that 'The kingdom of God shall be taken from you', the disciples still felt the need to ask 'wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel'. However, after the Day of Pentecost and the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, the question never arose again.

Peter Preached by the Power of the Holy Spirit that God had Fulfilled His Promise to Israel Acts 2:29-36

  • Acts 2:29-36 KJV Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

'he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne' God promised David that from the fruit of his loins He would raise up the Messiah to sit on his throne over Israel.

'received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost' The outpouring of the promised Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost was evidence of the exalted Christ.

  • Heb 12:2 KJV Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The writer to the Hebrews wrote in the present tense Jesus ‘is set down at the right hand of the throne of God’. The King was already reigning from His heavenly throne before the epistle was written.

  • Rev 1:18-19 KJV I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

John said at the commencement of the Revelation that Jesus possessed the keys of Hades and Death. Jesus, having already been raised to the throne, was about to make manifest the Kingdom of God with power, the theme of the Revelation.

Jesus Was not Waiting for a Future Millennium Kingdom

  • Luk 19:11-15 KJV He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

It is interesting to note, in this parable the nobleman ‘went into a far country to receive a kingdom and to return’, Jesus also received His Kingdom after His ascension, prior to His return…Matthew 16:28; Mark 9:1; Matthew 26:64; Revelation 1:7.

A Quote from Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible

Luke 19:12 'A certain nobleman - A prince; a man descended from kings, and having a title, therefore, to succeed in the kingdom. Went into a far country ... - This expression is derived from the state of things in Judea in the time of the Saviour. Judea was subject to the Romans, having been conquered by Pompey about sixty years before Christ. It was, however, governed by “Jews,” who held the government “under” the Romans. It was necessary that the prince or king should receive a recognition of his right to the kingdom by the Roman emperor and, in order to this, that he should go to Rome; or, as it is said here, that he might receive to himself a kingdom. This actually occurred several times. Archelaus, a son of Herod the Great, about the time of the birth of Jesus, went to Rome to obtain a confirmation of the title which his father had left him, and succeeded in doing it. Herod the Great, his father, had done the same thing before to secure the aid and countenance of Antony. Agrippa the younger, grandson of Herod the Great, went to Rome also to obtain the favor of Tiberius, and to be confirmed in his government. Such instances, having frequently occurred, would make this parable perfectly intelligible to those to whom it was addressed. By the nobleman, here, is undoubtedly represented the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ; by his going into a far country is denoted his going to heaven, to the right hand of his Father, “before” he should “fully” set up his kingdom and establish his reign among men.'

Did Jeremiah the Prophet get it Wrong? Of Course He Didn't

  • Jer 22:30 KJV Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

The Kingdom of Judah had lapsed into apostasy again, God finally removed the 'Kings' by sending Coniah, also called ‘Jeconiah’, into captivity in Babylon. God decreed ‘no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah’.

Jesus is a descendant of Jeconiah…Matthew 1:11-16, and the rightful heir to David’s throne, but He will not physically reign in Judah.

Jesus Reigns on David’s Throne in the Heavenly Realm!

Nevertheless, Dispensationalism persists in teaching contrary to Scripture.

Why Did Paul Never Mention a Thousand Years Reign on Earth?

  • 2Co 12:4 KJV How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Even after his 'paradise' experience, Paul still never mentioned such a doctrine.

  • Act 20:27 KJV For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Paul was convinced he had preached all the 'council of God', yet he never mentioned a thousand years reign of Christ on Earth.

John Never Mentioned a Thousand Years Reign of Christ!

  • Rev 20:4 KJV And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Neither the Old nor the New Testament mention a thousand years reign of Christ on Earth.

The 'thousand years reign' is not mentioned in Revelation 20:4, as many imagine. On the contrary, the Scriptures proclaim Christ's reign is everlasting.

Revelation 20 is not about how long Jesus will reign, but about a specific period when the martyrs would reign with Him from His heavenly throne.

On closer examination we find 'they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years'. John described the souls of the martyrs who paid the ultimate price for their loyalty to Christ. Many suffered during the great tribulation, having refused to deny the Lord and worship the beast.

Can this dubious interpretation of the 'millennium' be a major doctrine of the Faith? This teaching contains hidden ramifications rarely taught to unsuspecting believers in Christ.

'Chilioi' and 'Chilias' What Difference Does it Make?

John wrote the Greek word ‘chilioi’ in Revelation 20:4 ‘and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand (chilioi) years’, he did not write ‘and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand (chilias) years'. So what is the difference?

A Quote from Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionary

‘G5507 ÷ßëéïé chilioi khil'-ee-oy Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand.’
‘G5505 ÷éëéÜò chilias khil-ee-as' From G5507; one thousand (“chiliad”): - thousand.’

Chilioi’ is unique in its plurality, its etymology is not from any known numeric value, and it is unique in its usage of the word ‘thousand’.

In Revelation 20, ‘thousand’ was always 'chilioi', not the numerical 1000 'chilias’. John had good cause for using 'chilioi' in preference to 'chilias', because the Holy Spirit inspired him.

‘chilioi’ is an adjective whereas ‘chilias’ is a noun. As an adjective ‘chilioi’ is descriptive and therefore more suitable for figurative speech and described an undefined period.

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Apocalyptic Figure of Speech

The term ‘a thousand (chilioi) years’ is an apocalyptic figure of speech with reference to the reign of Christ over Old Covenant Israel, and was the period between the ascension and glorification of Christ in AD 30 until His return in AD 70...Acts 2:29-36. Saul, David, and Solomon each reigned 40 years. Likewise, Christ reigned 40 years and was the final King of Old Covenant Israel.

A Quote from the Christian Courier Publications

'Regarding the “thousand years” of Revelation 20, it should be observed that the opening of the book itself provides caution that this is a document characterized by symbols (see “signified” – 1:1). In addition, the “thousand years” of Revelation 20 is nestled in the midst of a number of other dramatic figures —a pit, a great chain, the dragon/serpent, thrones, a beast, a mysterious “mark,” resurrections, etc. Why should the pit, chain, dragon, etc., be viewed as figures, and yet the “thousand years” be singled out as literal? That defies common sense.'

The Reign of Christ has no End!

  • Heb 11:13-16 KJV These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

The Patriarchs

'strangers and pilgrims on the earth' Abraham continued to dwell in tents and never built a permanent home in the land. They desired 'a better country, that is, a heavenly'. A millennium kingdom on earth was never in their thoughts.

  • Isa 9:7 KJV Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

  • 2Sa 7:13 KJV He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

2 Samuel 7:13 '...The throne of his kingdom for ever - This is a reference to the government of the spiritual kingdom, the kingdom of the Messiah, agreeably to the predictions of the prophet long after, and by which this passage is illustrated: “Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it, with judgment and with justice, from henceforth even For Ever.” Isa_9:7.'

— Adam Clarke, Commentary on the Bible

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Conclusion

It is astonishing that the millennium doctrine is so highly regarded, considering it originates from one portion of Scripture.

The fulfilment of the Revelation was in AD 70. Therefore, the 'thousand years' was figurative speech and applied to Christ's reign over Old Covenant Israel with a 'rod of iron'.

Christ returned in judgement in AD 70, fulfilled the promises of God to Old Covenant Israel and fully established the Kingdom of God.

There is no scriptural evidence for a thousand years reign of Christ on Earth, as described by Dispensationalism.

What do you think?

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Alice DeWonder 5 years ago from 3rd planet from Sun

What do I think? Well, given that the Bible was written by humans and humans have a long track record of lying in order to maintain control, my guess is that all Holy books are basically a waste of trees that make paper.


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searchinsany 5 years ago from UK Author

Alice DeWonder

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Tony L Smith 5 years ago from Macon

Hey Searchinsany, personally I think its awesome, you may have answered a question I've Had for a while and was even thinking about it today. I do have a question about

In my opinion The Revelation was completely fulfilled by AD 70, therefore the thousand years in Revelation 20 was figurative speech, and described the events that led to Christ's Return in AD 70.

not sure what event you are talking of here or why its revelant?

But the rest of the article I agree with wholeheartyly. Why would God stop His victory after 1000 years. Things are really more simple than church doctrine has made them

to your victory Tony

P.S. I wrote a book about satans rise and fall (the accuser) this would add to your understanding along the lines that you already are seeing in. Its not long and you can download it for free if you like.


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searchinsany 5 years ago from UK Author

Tony L Smith

Thank you for your comment and for taking the time to visit my Hub.

In answer to your question, I believe all that was described in Revelation 20 took place during the period AD 30-AD 70.

I will read your book and give you my comments.


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Carrie Bradshaw 5 years ago from Manhattan

I've had my own question about the millennial reign raised up to the LORD in my spirit and am waiting on Him to reveal more to me. I guess the reason I interpret an earthly reign of 'a thousand years', is because of the battles that happen on either side of it: Har-Magedon (prior) and Gog/Magog (post). Also, I agree that Satan can be bound (first bind the stong-man - Mat 12:29), but the spirit of Antichrist and false prophets are yet rampant? If they are supposed to be in the Lake of Fire during the 'millennial reign', is this earth the 'Lake of Fire'? They're still here ~ And biblically, the 'way of the wicked prospers' here ~ hardly torment.

And if Har-Magedon and Gog/Magog are 'heavenly wars' with spiritual beings, we wouldn't see blood spilled and fire from heaven destroying those nations (Gentiles) ~ basically DEATH in both battles. This would indicate they are fleshly battles, not spiritual. What do you think?


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searchinsany 5 years ago from UK Author

Carrie

Thank you for reading and commenting on my Hub.

I do not believe that John described a literal 1000 years kingdom. Surely more would have been written in the Scriptures if such an important aspect of the Kingdom of God was to occur.

Jesus never mentioned a Millennium kingdom. Only in The Revelation was a 1000 years referred to by John. Neither Paul who wrote most of the New Testament, nor the other writers suggested such a concept.

The Revelation was a vision which described an imminent event, and was written with a great deal of prophetic, metaphoric language.

Since my eschatological viewpoint is that The Revelation was completely fulfilled by AD 70, such phrases as the 'Lake of Fire' described the destruction of the Temple, Jerusalem and the dispersion of the Jewish nation.

This was a physical event witnessed on earth, while in the spiritual and unseen realm it was the glorious victory of Christ over all His enemies; resulting in the end of Old Covenant Israel and Judaism with the establishment of the New Covenant.

My other Hubs may explain my view more clearly; I will certainly look forward to reading your Hubs.


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Carrie Bradshaw 5 years ago from Manhattan

So I take it you don't believe in heaven or the final judgment to the Lake of Fire, or that either are eternal destinations? How would you describe where we are now and where we are headed, if all prophecy has been fulfilled. I understand you are a preterist, and I merely wish to see through your eyes and understanding, though I am not inclined at this point to agree. Thank you.

Also, I invite you over to my Judah's Daughter profile, since this one mainly deals with apologetics with false doctrines.


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searchinsany 5 years ago from UK Author

Carrie

Thank you for your comment.

Heaven…? I do believe in Heaven since the Scriptures state that Paul was taken into Third Heaven and Paradise...2 Cor 12:2-4.

Where we are now…? Providing we are ‘born again’ we are in Christ, partaking of the benefits of His death and resurrection with all its assurances; restored to fellowship with our Heavenly Father; in and enjoying the privileges of the Everlasting Kingdom of God; in the New Heavens and the New Earth which is the New Covenant.

Where we are headed…? The believer immediately goes to be with the Lord at physical death, having a spiritual body…I Cor 15:44. Since Jesus has fulfilled all the Law and the Prophets, our Salvation is complete in Him.

In my opinion, that is a pretty good package considering we were alienated from God and dead in trespasses and sin.

This Hub will perhaps explain my view more clearly… ‘New Heavens and a New Earth: Present Reality or Future Event?’


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Carrie Bradshaw 5 years ago from Manhattan

Well, it wasn't Paul who was taken up to 'the third heaven' (Paradise), but he knew someone who was (whether in or out of the body, he did not know) - 2 Cor 12:2-4...what an awesome thing! Yes, I believe we are with the LORD in the twinkling of an eye, the very moment our spirit returns to Him, praise God.

My theology of the New Earth, based on biblical scripture, is that the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God to the New Earth, and the exciting thing is the 'Tree of Life' is in the 'Paradise of God' and is IN the New Jerusalem! Therefore, when we go to 'Paradise' upon death (Luke 23:43), I believe we are residing in the New Jerusalem then and forevermore.

Is the New Jerusalem on the New Earth now? I'm not yet sure of the answer to that one. The present heaven and earth is to pass away, and I understand the 'elements' you wrote about, and am pondering these things. If the New Jerusalem IS on the New Earth now, it is located in 'the third heaven', not here.

I will read your hub and ponder more of your thoughts. Thank you.


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searchinsany 5 years ago from UK Author

Carrie

Thank you for your comment; I appreciate you taking the time to consider my point of view.

2 Cor 12:2-4…I also attempt only to speak when the Scriptures speak and be silent when the Scriptures are silent. The reason I am persuaded that Paul was speaking of himself in the ‘third person’, is because of 2 Cor 12:6-7. Taken in context, Paul was speaking in modesty not to appear boastful.

That was not unusual; John spoke in the ‘third person’ too, for exactly the same reason…Joh 13:23-24; Joh 19:26; Joh 21:20.

New Jerusalem…In my opinion it is not a material, but a spiritual city…Heb 12:22-24; Gal 4:24-26.

This Hub may explain in more detail…Heavenly Jerusalem: Present Reality or Future Event?


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Truth be known, I have always had a hard time accepting a literal 1,000 year reign on earth. I just could not understand who was going to dethrone the risen Christ and why He would only reign for 1,000 years when He is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings!

I have noticed that the number 1,000 is used frequently in the Bible. I do not, however, think its application was intended to denote a literal 1,000 earth years or even a literal 1,000 in any regard.

For instance, is one day to the Lord a literal thousand years, or can it be as much as one trillion or as few as forty? Does the Almighty only own those cattle on 1,000 hills or does He own all of them, etc?

I think you have written another commendable Hub and I deeply appreciate your efforts and your scholarship.

Best wishes and be well - L.R.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

Lone Ranger

The thought struck me as being ironic when I was deciding on a title for this Hub. We can believe in something Jesus didn't teach and build a Doctrine on it, while ignoring some of the things He did teach, for example, His 'imminent return'.

Thanks again for your comment.


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luckykarma 4 years ago from Queensland Australia

You have to realise that a thousand days is not like our time and what we know it to be. Everything was different then.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

luckykarma

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slcockerham 4 years ago from Tallahassee, Florida

Com'on let's read these scriptures in context. The context in Rev, 20 is clearly of a 1000 year reign on earth, as in Rev. 20:7-9. It's easier to portray anything you want when you ignore verses altogether or ignore the context of the scriptures to prove your private interpretations.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

Slcockerham

Thank you for your comment.

Considering I present 15+ portions of Scripture in this Hub including Revelation 20, what do you mean by private interpretations? I am allowing the Scriptures to interpret Scripture.

What Scriptures have I ignored?


Thomas 4 years ago

1000 year question, Passed, as it was already over 1000 years since Jesus was crucified and raised. Interesting reading The Gospel According to Thomas. The complete saying of Jesus Christ, according to the literature it was written in 140 AD. Translated to English from Coptic (Old Greek). This would confirm the belief that the raising of the dead and the second coming has already happened.

When Thomas asked Jesus this question Jesus answered "What you have asked already come but you know it not". What is the explanation of death and what happens after we die? Raised in 3 days wonder the earth for 40 days and pass into Gods hands if you believe. If you don't, remain trapped here, cease to exist, go further down, to hell?

I have always been reading religious, philosophical and science or science fiction books.

Recent deaths of parents had me asking a lot of questions.

Theological understanding is difficult even for priests.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

Thomas

Thank you for your interesting comment.

In my Hubs I try to be consistent by only quoting from the 'Canon of Scripture', in my opinion it is the inspired Word of God. The Bible contains all the information we need to understand God’s great plan of Redemption.

This may appear narrow minded but it is the principle on which my Hubs are based. To include additional writings of dubious origin only undermines and detracts from the Scriptures and leads to confusion.

The Gospel of Thomas falls into the ‘dubious origin’ category.

I haven’t read this gospel but a couple of points come to mind, you mention ‘Coptic (Old Greek)’ I thought ‘Coptic’ was an ancient Egyptian language. If this gospel was written in AD 140 it is highly unlikely that Thomas was the author.

A Quote from gotQuestion?org

'Most questions about which books belong in the Bible dealt with writings from the time of Christ and forward. The early church had some very specific criteria in order for books to be considered as part of the New Testament. These included: Was the book written by someone who was an eyewitness of Jesus Christ? Did the book pass the “truth test”? (i.e., did it concur with other, already agreed-upon Scripture?). The New Testament books they accepted back then have endured the test of time and Christian orthodoxy has embraced these, with little challenge, for centuries.'

http://www.gotquestions.org/canon-of-Scripture.htm...

I was sorry to read about the recent loss of your parents and hope you find answers to your questions. I believe these are to be found in the Bible.

1Pe 5:7 KJV Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.


DeWayne 4 years ago

The bible mentions need of the HS within, as the word is spiritually discerned.

About the Latin Millennium, result of original Hebrew and Greek translated into a Latin 'Millennium', it appears lost even among some Christians that the original and verified Greek Word 'Chilioi' (plural article) found in Rev 20:1-7 and 2 Peter 3:8, without a quantative prefex, properly translated into English as "Thousands of Years."

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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

DeWayne

Thank you for your comment.

I don't fully understand why you wrote...'The bible mentions need of the HS within, as the word is spiritually discerned.'

I have read a lot of your link, but the articles will take more than one reading.

Perhaps you might narrow your point to help me and visitors to my Hub.


DeWayne 4 years ago

It is simple, the original Greek "Chilioi" found in Rev 20:1-7 and 2 Peter 3:8, in the Greek would translate not as a fixed value, but an undefined value since no quantative notation is found in these special eight times within NT text where 'Chilioi' is found being used singularly. As Chilioi is found in these unusual 8-places, they would in full context properly translate into English as "Thousands (of) Years." Evident also of Rev 20 "Chilioi=Thousands", there are two Thousands-events, each beginning at a different period in time, both ending at the very same time with release of Satan. Neither event is the same duration, and since written (events are within this earth age), have obviously passed a duration of a single Thousands Years.

I would disagree that no mention is made of a short period yet in this earth age when some would rule over others, this is the 6th Trump, when a messiah is released to gather up his own... the topic is the Latin Millennium, it is always best to validate everything taught against the bible... the inerrant Word.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

DeWayne

Thank you for your comment.


DeWayne 4 years ago

Your writing concerning the Latin 'Millennium' teaching has much merit in truth, as this teaching comes from the Greek word found for this Millennium, attested by most scholar and theologian being 'Chilioi' found in earliest manuscript as the Greek 'Chilioi', an adjective of plural-article without a quantifier... reads as 'Thousands', meaning more than one thousand.

This Chilioi is found singularly only eight (8) times in the entire New Testament, six (6) times in Revelation 20:1-7, the two (2) remaining times in 2 Peter 3:8. At some later time the Greek 'Chilias' was substituted in 2 Peter 3:8, however as also a plural-article, would also be read as 'thousands' (see Rev 5:11).

The Greek 'Chilioi' as described having no qauntifier in Rev-20:1-7 and Pe 3:8, being an undefined number of thousands, would then translate into English as "Thousands of Years.

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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

DeWayne

Thanks again for your comment. I have visited your website a number of times now and I do admire your dedication.

Regarding the meaning of 'Chilioi', you raise an interesting point. From my point of view however, I don't interpret the thousand or thousands of years literally, I am persuaded that it is figurative speech in a book that is highly symbolic.

In my opinion, the passage should be interpreted in context not only with The Revelation but with Scripture as a whole.

I included the paragraph on 'Chilioi' along with comments on fifteen portions of Scripture in an attempt to explain why I object to a doctrine so widely approved, yet never mentioned by the Lord Jesus Christ in His sermons on the Kingdom.

I would be interested in your opinion on the other aspects of my Hub.


DeWayne 4 years ago

Then I add another comment, the Greek language does not change the Greek math theorem, upon which these Chilioi (and) Chilia words are concerned. Regardless if adjective (or) noun, since the Greek base-ten math theorem progressed into units of 'thousands' (plural), in either case a quantifier is needed to determine number of 'thousands'. Regardless as a complex word having an addition or composition of parts (with addition 'pentakischilioi' (or) composite parts as example 'chilias - diakosias - hexekomta'), in either Chilioi and Chilia renders as 'thousands'. To say one thousands, simply requires the notation of one. It is obvious then, the two 'unknown thousands of years' events in Rev 20:1-7 speaks of this earth age, and these two different (thousands of years) events ending at the release of Satan, followed closely in judgment and destruction of all the wicked in the Lake of Fire.

About your hub, we could have a coinsiderable long discussion, what I have found of the Tanakh and New Testament, you appear to allude to also. I greatly encourage your further studies published.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

DeWayne

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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

I will return and study this more later. at first glance it appears to be

good. now to test it fully against scripture.

I know God has shown me that the common teachings about revelation are incorrect. I do not have my understanding yet of revelation beyond the 5th chapter but am looking. Until I believe I have the mind of the Lord I do not teach it. I know in His time I will understand it correctly.

I hope this holds a key


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searchinsany 3 years ago from UK Author

Celafoe

Thank you for taking the time to read and comment on my Hub. I respect and admire your comment.


Brian Hyde 3 years ago

Hello searchinsany

Thank you very much. I was searching online for an answer that refutes a post-AD70 millennium as posited by Duncan MaKenzie and others. For me it makes total sense that Revelation was fulfilled by AD70. May I ask you some questions please? Please do not take these as criticisms of your article but a need for clarification.

As a new student to preterism, I must confess I am a little confused how chilioi and not chilias adds to the pre-AD70 argument for the millennium. If chilioi is an indefinite period of time how does that square with Daniel and Isaiah who both say Christ's kingdom is a forever kingdom, one without end? Doesn't that suggest that Christ's kingdom began pre-AD70 and continues indefinitely post AD70?

Also when did Christ hand over the kingdom to His Father? If pre-Ad70 then do we call it the kingdom of God now as opposed to the kingom of Christ? These are the verses I am thinking of:

24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything"

Thank you


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searchinsany 3 years ago from UK Author

Brian Hyde

Thank you for reading my Hub and for your excellent questions.

The answer to your first question:

In my opinion, there will not be a future Millennium, the ‘chilioi/chilias’ illustration was to highlight that if John meant a literal 1000 years he would have used ‘chilias’ which is the Greek word for 1000.

I believe the 'thousand years' is figurative speech and the events described by John in The Revelation took place pre-AD 70. The Old Covenant Age ended at that time and Christ ushered in the New Covenant Age in which He will reign forever.


Brian Hyde 3 years ago

Thnnk you I can see that clearly now.

And my second question? What is your understanding of 1 Corinthians 15:24-28


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searchinsany 3 years ago from UK Author

Brian Hyde

The answer to your second question:

Quote: ‘Also when did Christ hand over the kingdom to His Father? If pre-Ad70 then do we call it the kingdom of God now as opposed to the kingdom of Christ?’

1Co 15:23-24 KJV But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Paul wrote that the time of ‘the end’ would be at Christ’s coming (verse 23). At His return in AD 70, having been being victorious over all His enemies, Jesus delivered up ‘the Kingdom of God’ (verse 24) to His Father ‘that God may be all in all’.

The question is ‘the end’ of what? In my opinion ‘the end’ was not the end of Christ’s reign, it referred to the completion of His covenant made with the Father before the foundation of the world. Therefore Paul did not contradict the prophecies of Isaiah 9:7 or Daniel 7:14.

Christ’s commission was one of reconciliation; He came to restore the fellowship between God and ‘man’ that was lost through the fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden. This was accomplished through His sacrificial death on the cross and the defeat of His enemies at His return.

Rev 22:1 KJV And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

The wonderful plan of redemption had reached its culmination and God was ‘all in all’. The Father will not reign without the Son and the Son will not reign without the Father.

Regarding the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Christ, may I suggest you read my Hub ‘Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven is there a difference?’ I believe there is one spiritual Kingdom and the titles that are used to describe it are synonymous with the Kingdom of God.

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Spirit...


DeWayne 3 years ago

Many people say that the book of Revelation was completed way in the past, which means apparently they live today in the eternal newly created heaven and earth... my opinion is that Revelation may still be taken as direction today for those looking forward to the future.


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searchinsany 3 years ago from UK Author

DeWayne

Thank you for your comment.

I respect your opinion, which is probably held by the majority. There was a time I also held the futurist view.

My opinion changed when I was challenged by the Scriptures. Can you support your view from Scripture?


DeWayne 3 years ago

Yes, from long study and research, it proves that Rev 20:1-6 has had both unauthorized substitution of Greek numeric, also misinterpretation of the original Greek Chilioi found in earliest manuscripts.

I have challenged many to find serious error in my study titled 'Millennium', in which scripture supports both above charges, receiving at best ambiguous comment.

I will challenge anyone to prove serious error concerning this issue, from my article on the internet, found simply with websearch using key words 'Millennium of this earth age', looking for rtpricetag author... or by hyperlink.


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searchinsany 3 years ago from UK Author

DeWayne

Thanks for stopping by. On previous occasions I have visited your website and explained my view.

You are welcome to comment on any of the points I've made on this Hub, please feel free.


Tayo Fasan 2 years ago

Hi, but how do you place the earlier argument with Rev. 20:2-3? What would take place when Satan is bound and what would be the state of the earth then?

Rev. 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the

Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Rev. 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a

seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the

thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed

a little season.

Hi Hub


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searchinsany 2 years ago from UK Author

Tayo Fasan

Thank you for reading and commenting on my Hub.

You ask a very good question. I believe the binding of Satan occurred during the first advent of Christ, then he was 'loosed' for a short time during the 'great tribulation', prior to the Christ's return on the great and terrible day of the Lord in AD 70.

Also, the Book of Revelation was completely fulfilled during the lifetime of Christ's generation. Therefore the binding of Satan is a past event.

I am finishing a Hub about Satan and the 'end times', which I hope to post 'imminently'. I would appreciate your comments.


Morry 2 years ago

Hi chaps. The most rational way to resolve problems is by identifying their State of Affairs. This is the way Sherlock Holmes, Hercules Poirot, and any decent C.S.I. chap might approach the problem.

I. A Futurist view takes a literal view by isolating Revelation chapter 20 in a figurative book and says ‘1000 is literal.’ This view has uniformly failed to explain a LITERAL 1000 years in every generation for over two millennia since the ‘Year of Terror’ in 999AD through to the ‘Year of Panic’ (Y2K) in 1999AD to the present.

There are 1,189 total chapters in scripture. The supposed and elusive ‘literal’ 1000 years is found a single chapter of scripture (Rev 20:2 3 4 7.) There are at least 530 chapters (or about 43% of scripture) that contain ALL or SOME figurative language. ie. every chapter from Job through Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Songs, the major prophets from Isaiah to Daniel and every minor prophet Hosea to Malachi, the gospels Matthew 24, Mk 13, Lk 21 and Revelations 22 chapters. A literal theory of Futurism is arbitrary, unfruitful, and ignores OT usage of 1000.

II. A more informed C.1st Preterist view takes this into account and suggests FOUR WAYS 1000 is figurative in a biblical state of affairs:

1) 1000 IN SYMBOLOGY - 1000 is derived from 10, completeness, so 10x10 is 100, also completeness, and 100x10 is 1000, or 10x1000 final, or COMPLETENESS.

Eg. 1 Cor 14:19 I might teach others than TEN thousand words..

Rev 2:10 You shall have tribulation TEN days.

2) 1000 IN USAGE - 1000 means TOTALITY.

Eg. Ps 50:10..and the cattle upon a THOUSAND hills are mine

Ecc 6:6 ..if he should live a THOUSAND years twice told

Ecc 7:28 ..one man among a THOUSAND have I found..

3) 1000 IN C.1st CONTEXT - 1000 is THE END. In his first Peter he wrote ‘THE END of all things is AT HAND’ (in ‘that generation.’ 1 Pet 4:7) In 2 Peter (just before Mosaic Jerusalem fell) Peter used 1000 twice to explain the certainty of the judgment on ‘the present [Mosaic] heavens’ in Jerusalem, which was about to celebrate it's 1000 year birthday.

2Pet 3:8 A day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand

years as a day.

Jesus foretold the end of the 1000 year old Jerusalem temple. (Mtt 24:1-3). From construction (Solomon’s reign 930BC) to destruction was (in 70AD) was a thousand years.

4) 1000 IN REVELATION 20 - THE END OF HADES. Rev 20:2,3,4,7 contain two main ‘1000 year’ events: the BINDING & RELEASE of Satan. and the REIGN and of the living saints at the first resurrection and RAISING of the dead at the second. It is clear in Jesus’ lifetime SATAN WAS BOUND (Mtt 12:26, 28; Lk 10:18; 11:18 ) And after Jesus’ first resurrection, Jesus AND THE SAINTS REIGNED (Acts 2:35-36; Eph 2:6)

A rational explanation must connect the RELEASE OF SATAN with the RAISING OF THE DEAD in a State of Affairs with four conditions:

(a) in relation to the 1000 YEARS, and

(b) in relation to Jesus’ Matthew 24 TEMPLE prophesy

(c) in the context of BLOOD guilt on ‘this generation’ (Mtt 23:35- 36) and

(d) in the context of connecting REVELATION CHAPTERS 19 with 20 with 21. (Ch. 19 -End of harlot city, Ch. 20-1000 period & Hades, Ch. 21-New Jerusalem)

Is it possible to identify a State of Affairs to satisfy these four conditions? Yes, and it is only possible by a First Century Preterist model:-

930 BC ____________________+_______________AD 70

1000 years ‘Days of Vengeance’

Example-

REVELATION CH.19:1-2 - the END OF HARLOT CITY occurred at the end of the Holy City’s 1000 literal years in AD 70 when Jesus’ Matthew 24 prophesy was fulfilled in 1260 days. (66-70AD) These were ‘the days of Vengeance’ trampling down the great harlot Jerusalem in 42 months. (‘Vengeance’: Mtt 23:35-36; Lk 21:22-24; Rev 11:1-2; 18:24)

REVELATION CH.20:2-7 - the RAISING OF THE DEAD FROM HADES occurred when 1000 years of COVENANT BLOOD in the TEMPLE was AVENGED. (Heb 10:Jerusalem was THE GATES OF HADES who shed the BLOOD of the prophets (Lk 13:32-35) and shed the BLOOD of the Son of God (Mtt 27:25) was accountable for ALL the BLOOD from Abel, (son of Adam Mtt 23:35-36). ‘And DEATH AND HADES GAVE UP THEIR DEAD...since Abel, the first man to die.’ (Rev 20:13)

THIS EXPLAINS WHY REVELATION 21:1-3 – NEW JERUSALEM. Mosaic Jerusalem, the Holy City, the city of God, with its 1000 year temple was a parable –a sign- of New Jerusalem, the Holy City, the City of God , the True spiritual Eternal city. (Heb 8:13 ‘The outer temple is a parable – a sign – for the present time.’)

A Rational explanation of a biblical state of affairs satisfies three conditions:

1. It is suggested by observable facts

2. It explains more and more observable facts

3. It explains new relations between the observable facts.

A Preterist (past) view of scripture resolves all this in the first century in Jesus’ own generation. This best save the appearances of the facts:

'Truly I say to you, this generation shall not pass away until all these

things take place." Matt 24:34.#


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searchinsany 2 years ago from UK Author

Morry

Thank you for reading and leaving an amazing comment on my Hub. You have given a lot of interesting information, especially on the subject of '1000'.


Doug arnold 2 years ago

While I like different commentaries iron sharpens iron John wrote revelation on the isle of Patmos after Ad 85


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Doug arnold

Thank you for your comment.

In my opinion, the Revelation was written before AD 70. My Hub 'The Book of Revelation Was Written Before AD 70' explains the reason why.

I would value your opinion on it.

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Revela...


Morry Lee 7 months ago

Dear Alex,

Thank you for your study and for your wonderfully generous courtesy in dealing with conflict. You are inspirational man! I understand your point, have a slightly different perspective on the case of the missing millennium. Most simply, it might be found by looking on the OTHER side of the cross rather than before it, going back to the time of King Solomon, (970 -931 BC) the builder of the temple, which was a type of Jesus.

This view entails a number of factors:

. Solomon placed the Mosaic covenant in the temple. 1 Kgs 8

. Solomon also predicted the destruction of the temple from disobedience. 1 Kgs 9:6-9

From Solomon's reign to the fulfilment of his prophecy was 1000 years. (Arithmetically 930 + 70 = 1000 literal years, also 1000 as 'totality.')

. Jesus brought a new covenant to replace the old Jerusalem covenant. Jn 4:21

. Jesus, Son of David, was wiser than Solomon, greater than the temple. Mtt 12:6

. Jesus predicted its destruction in that generation in AD 70, 1000 years after its construction. (Fulfilment in type 40 years after Jesus' death in AD 30. Numerically 30 + 40 = 70. Again, totality.)

Hebrews was written about AD 64 before the millennial temple disappeared. Heb 8:13

The millennial temple was a prophetic sign (parabole) for then-present. Heb 9:8-9

The disappearance of the temple as a prophetic sign (Matt 24:1-34) was fulfilled in that generation. (Fulfilment in prophetic and historical fact.)

In summary Alex, it might be said that the 1000 year reign of the Jerusalem temple as the centrepiece of Mosaic civilization terminated in AD 70 on the 9th day of the month of Ab, at the end of its 1000 literal year anniversary. That anniversary was also the anniversary of the destruction of the first temple in 586 BC on the 9th of Ab.

This first century state of affairs in AD 70 unites prophecy, typology, numerology and history in the person of Jesus Christ in the light of a 'presence (parousia) in clouds,' replacing God's representative presence in a cloud in the earthly temple (1 Kgs 8:10) - a new covenant to fulfil and replace the old in factum.

A first century fulfilment is suggested by observation in 'that generation,' explains more facts in that generation, and predicts the 'missing 1000 years' in that generation - a fulfilment of ALL THINGS. (Mtt 24:34)

This millennial time frame also works in Rev 20 if we take the 'a-millennial 'view of Jesus' reign from the first resurrection (AD 30). It also connects the universal judgment of Hades (Rev 20:13-14) to the universal judgment in that generation (Mtt 11, 12; 23:25-36; 24:34.) and relates Hades to Jerusalem - Jerusalem was the "Gates of Hades" in that ALL the guilty blood for the righteous dead was in the temple.

A Preterist theory of causation suggests that when Jerusalem was judged, Hades was also judged. More simply, judge Jerusalem judge Hades. Why? All the spiritual forces empowering hades were centred in Jerusalem in the first century.

These are a few basic thoughts on a 'literal' 1000 years Alex.

God bless you and your work. As I said, you are an inspiration brother.

Kindest regards,

Morry Lee.

Australia


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searchinsany 7 months ago from UK Author

Morry

Great to hear from you, thank you for your comment.

This is very challenging, I will take your view on board and give it further consideration.

Many thanks for your encouragement.

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