Yahweh is Evil

In many of my posts I have actually been quite lenient to the God of the Bible. Something occurred to me a few days ago however that permanently solidified Yahweh as an evil malevolent God who, if it exists, should be opposed by all reasoning empathetic beings. I used to poke fun at Satanism both as a Christian and later when I became an atheist however after reading some more of the Bible and really thinking about it I can see why someone would rebel against Yahweh and seek to stand for everything that being hates.

In order to make my point I am going to bring up a favorite historical figures who theists like to pretend was actually an atheist - Hitler. For the record Hitler was a theist, although he wasn't what anyone should consider a traditional Christian he was, indeed, a Christian. I really don't care what he was, neither Christians or atheists should attempt to use Hitler's religious beliefs as ammunition for an argument.

The aspect of Hitler and the Nazis I want to talk about is the horrible things they did. As most of you know Hitler and his minions massacred millions of Jews and people from other minority groups deemed "undesirables". In particular I want to focus on the Jews. What Hitler did to these people - forced labor in camps, gas chambers, disease and hunger and thirst and cold in the camps. People burning. Mass graves. What Hitler did was wrong.

If you are a Christian than you believe those Jews had souls and, depending on what they believed, they had a chance to go to Heaven or Hell. I imagine that many of these Jews did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah at all and were not Christians in any sense. Some of them may have been. Those that were not Christians would have, after laboring, starving, and finally dying in horrible concentration camps, been sentenced to an eternity of torment by a God who supposedly loves them. Imagine if those Nazis had looked into the eyes of each Jew and told each Jew that they loved them unconditionally before pulling the trigger or pumping in the gas.

When I think about this I grow sick to my stomach. What sort of God do you serve Christians? The sort that would damn people to Hell after they've suffered through Hell on Earth. And you can't deny it, you can't pretend it isn't part of your religion. Its right there in Revelation 21:8.

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."


The unbelieving. How many people killed by the Nazis fit that description? Only those who believe on the name of Jesus Christ can be saved, so says Christianity. Now I know that many kinder gentler Christians would dispute everything I've said here and I applaud them for seeing and ignoring the immoral aspects of their own Bible. There are also those who know that the Bible translates a number of different words as Hell leaving the actual interpretation of Hell wide open.

Who is more evil, the Nazis or Yahweh?

Who is Worse?

 So who is more evil? The Nazis or Yahweh? It is generally held that with great power comes great responsibility. Hitler had an awful lot of power and he abused it to kill millions. Yahweh, however, possesses ALL POWER and therefore possesses ALL responsibility. Yahweh is considered by many to be the Lord of all, a divine King. He is essentially a dictator. Set aside for a moment that dictatorships are one of the worst forms of government imaginable and ask yourself what sort of Dictator Yahweh has shown himself to be. Remember that one of his first acts in the Bible was to drown everyone. Does this sound like the actions of a merciful and good leader? And what's his excuse - the people were the ones that were evil. What sort of God blames his creations for their imperfections and then seeks to kill them all?

    Hitler was just a man. Yahweh is a God who plans on doing far worse than what Hitler did. It is my opinion that Yahweh is worse than Hitler.

Literal Hell and Free Will

How many people are burning in Hell for the mere act of exercising religious freedom? Let's not forget that the very first commandment says that YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. Yahweh doesn't want you to think for yourself, he doesn't want you to be free. Religious freedom is a sin in Yahweh's dictatorial kingdom, and the wages of sin is death. Many people claim that God himself gave us free will and the ability to make choices so that we could freely choose him. The only problem is we are not free to make a choice other than Yahweh, if we do we are destined for eternal punishment. Think of Yahweh and other god(s) as people you might want to date. Yahweh in this case is your ex who is letting you be free to choose who you want to be with, the catch is that if you choose someone other than Yahweh he will kill you. In fact Yahweh can do WORSE to you than death and, if you do happen to use your God given freedom in a way he doesn't like, he will do worse.

4 “I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. - Luke 12:4-5

So Yahweh doesn't like free will. Yahweh created Hell for the devil and his angels according to the Bible. So after Lucifer's rebellion God's first act is to create a place of eternal torment to throw them in? Rather than attempt to reconcile his differences with the fallen angels, perhaps offer them forgiveness of some sort, instead he plans on burning them for eternity. Imagine for a moment that God truly is a Father. What sort of Father plans on torturing his rebellious child? Is this the sort of punishment a loving Father would enact? Imagine for a moment you have a rebellious teenager who attacks you, after you defend yourself your rebellious child runs away. Would you immediately begin plotting to light your child on fire? A loving Father would want only the best even for a violent and rebellious child.

Yahweh Created and Controls Hell

    I get told by Christians all the time that Satan is real and is trying to do us all in. I see ramblings posted all over the internet of people claiming demonic influence in the music industry, television, movies. Satan is apparently everywhere and he's planning on doing bad things to you. Ask yourself - Are any of the things Satan wants you to do as bad as being tortured forever? Obviously being burned forever is about as harsh a punishment as can be imagined and yet it isn't Satan who threatens us with Hell. I've also heard Christians say that Satan wants you to engage in his rebellion against God. The Biblical God, if it exists, should be rebelled against.

Salvation?

Supposedly Jesus came to Earth so that he could sacrifice himself for our sins and thus become the Savior of the world. But what is Jesus saving you from exactly? Some may answer that Jesus saves us from sin but as any Christian will tell you sin is still an ever present danger long after you've accepted Christ. Many Christians are susceptible to falling into temptation, it could happen to anyone. Some claim that Christ exempts you from the law of sin altogether so that even if you do sin you don't really have to ask forgiveness again, you're automatically saved no matter what. This thought is disconcerting as it means Hitler might be up on a cloud playing a harp somewhere.

Others say that Jesus is saving us from Hell. But that's not really salvation at all. If Jesus is truly God in another form than he's the one who owns Hell and decides who goes there. God sets the criteria for who goes to Hell - so why is anyone going to Hell? Surely Yahweh doesn't think we deserve infinite punishment for a finite list of sins - does he? If he does he is even more evil than Hitler. Most Christians believe all people have sinned at some point, this would include the Jews Hitler planned on murdering.

Jesus/God are saving us from what exactly? Hell, a place that he created owns and controls where he will throw everyone who doesn't live by his rules and believe in him. Its like holding a machinegun offering salvation from it but only if you do what he says. And the audacity on top of it all is that this machinegun wielding maniac claims to love you UNCONDITIONALLY. Christianity refutes itself.

A Father should not, when his children leave the house, grab them as they leave and say, "Obey my every word, or I will kill you, but don't forget that I love you. You must do only what I say if you want my blessing or my help" - That is not the love of a loving Father, it is a conditional love and a threat of violence, yet that is how the Bible makes Yahweh come off.

In Conclusion

    If the Bible is to be believed literally than its God is evil. Whether you look at the wrathful slayings of the Old Testament where God's first inclination is typically bloodshed or if you look at what God plans to do to you after you're dead. A finite list of sins is enough to damn even the nicest person to an eternity of Hell while the mere act of belief is enough to get you a ticket to Heaven (in some interpretations anyway). If Yahweh existed I would be opposed to it but luckily there is no evidence that such a being exists so I am left having to oppose the idea and belief of Yahweh.

    For more information on Yahweh and theism in general see my blog: Godlessblogger.blogspot.com or simply check out my other hubs.

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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Good stuff, man. You have seen the truth and conquered the brainwashing.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Thanks. It bothers me that there are many otherwise intelligent people out there who defend this murdering psycho of a God thanks to indoctrination.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

It bothers me too. It really bothers me that they keep passing on the insanity to their children and future generations.


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arthurchappell 5 years ago from Manchester, England

excellent and honest analysis of the cold hard evidence - God could have stopped Hitler in the blink of an eye so not doing inevitably makes him worse. Many people died trying to save a few Holocaust victims - God could have stopped it all without personal danger but did nothing - only 2 reasons for that a/. he couldn't as there is no God b/. God is evil. I'm for a/.


SaiyaTDM 5 years ago

Dude, do you mind if I quote you for a book series I'm writing? The general plot was about Yahweh being a malevolent being. And I honestly could not have said some of these things better. I will credit you for your contribution if you agree. :3


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Sure, you can quote me long as the quote is credited to me :)

Let me know if you'd prefer to put my real name as opposed to my hubpages username.


SaiyaTDM 5 years ago

That would be great, actually. Thank you. ^_^


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

There doesn't appear to be a way to email you and I'm not sure if I want to give out my real name here in the comment section.

Email me at Medacakathareal@aol.com and I'll get back to you.


SaiyaTDM 5 years ago

Sorry I'm responding so late. I will email you from Greysnephew777@yahoo.com


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

I've responded to your email :)


Steven 5 years ago

The pictures sum it up. I pissed myself laughing I can just imagine all the fanatics in an outrage lmfao. By the way way I'm an ex seventh day Adventist. They state that hell is not eternity and biblically there are many scriptures to contradict the eternity ones. Haven't got ATM but may post some later. In either case there's still meant to be a big BBQ one day for the lost. Apart from the eternity issue I agree with everything you said what pissed me off with christanity was everybody was to afraid to question things. Let's face it there's a a lot to be questioned!


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Thanks :)

I am aware of the annihilationist view that Hell is the second death and it does have some scriptural support. But allowing believers to live forever merely for having faith while damning the rest to be fully DEAD isn't much better than the eternal hellfire idea. In the end Yahweh's still burning people, like you said, so he's still evil. Even if he didn't plan on doing this after people were dead there's still enough in the Bible to condemn him as an evil character (killing the first born of Egypt for example). Thanks for the comment.


Steve 5 years ago

Yeah that's cool. I'll check out your other stuff you have written. To be honest it's put a lot in perpective reading your thoughts etc I was an adventist about 1 and a half years ago I was in the church for 4 years before that the world as they call it. Most of them were fanatically legalistic and wouldn't except any questioning even if it was valid I am just glad I'm not brainwashed anymore and I can be free and it feels liberating so thanx Some hilarious comments also.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Congrats on escaping and I agree, as a former Christian myself, it is quite liberating escaping faith.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia

Another escaper here! I wrote a hub along similar lines named "The biblical god is a psychopath." Good work!


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Sounds awesome earnestshub, I'll have to check it out sometime. Thanks for the comment :)


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Disappearinghead 5 years ago from Wales, UK

Hi TS, an excellently written hub, and you hit the nail on the head here, but I would say your conclusion is wrong. Quite right the concept of a loving God is impossible with the eternal torment in some hell. But instead of proving that God is evil or doesn't exist, it proves that the Church is talking nonsense.

There is no eternal hell. There is no free ticket to heaven for saying a sinners prayer either. There is a judgment for what each of us has done, the outcome of which will be unpleasant, but eternal torment or annihilation: No.

I do not make it a habit of advertising my hubs, but here I think you need to see an alternative argument. Might I therefore be so bold as you cast your eyes over my hub "The case against eternal torment"? http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Case-A...

And when you are done, might I also recommend you read a few hubs by 'babylon_is_fallen' http://hubpages.com/profile/babylon_is_fallen.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

It isn't just Hell that proves Yahweh is evil, and it isn't just his actions as told by the Church. There are dozens of actions the Biblical God undertakes in the Old and New Testament that are blatantly immoral and downright evil. The eternal hell idea is just the nail in the coffin so-to-speak for the character of Yahweh as depicted in both doctrine and the Bible.

I'll definitely have to check out your hub on the subject of Hell :)



erickcb 4 years ago

Nice stuff here. I agree with you 100%. Yahweh is a psychopath. There is no way he really exists right??

...right? :0


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Thanks erickcb,

If we're talking about the Biblical version of Yahweh I think it's safe to say he doesn't exist. Don't sweat it, you have about as much to fear from Zeus or Thor.


Inspired 4 years ago

Maybe you would be interested in reading this:

"Confessions of an aging god"

http://www.christian-reincarnation.com/PDF/ConfAgG...


marco 4 years ago

The most retatred selfish article I have ever read.. I guess now you are GOD and can tell how everything will end


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

I never declared myself God nor did I say I knew everything. The hub isn't even about me, it's about Yahweh as depicted in a literal interpretation of the Bible. Instead of merely insulting my hub and making yourself look silly (retatred?) perhaps you could offer some reason why you think I'm wrong.


Sweet 4 years ago

I've always been told and now believe that Jesus would reveal himself to everyone before they die...everyone has the chance to decide. ;)


Dingusloaf 4 years ago

Atheists are always trying their damndest to disprove shit. Makes me think they care A BIT too much about something that to them doesn't exist. If God doesn't exist you shouldn't give half a shit, should you?


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Not this tired old nonsense again.

"If God doesn't exist you shouldn't give half a shit?"

Allah doesn't exist, that doesn't stop a radical Islamic fringe from blowing themselves up does it?

God might not exist but his rabid fanclub sure do and while most are peace loving some are:

- Committing religiously motivated acts of violence

- Trying to prevent equal rights for gays and other minorities

- Revising history to promote their religion (ie, Christian Nation Myth, David Barton)

- Trying to undermine science education and get their religious views taught in science classes

- Indoctrinating children and thus spreading undue fear, guilt and superstition

- Mutilating the genitals of children through practices such as male/female circumcision

- Do I really need to bring up what the Catholic Church has done to protect molesters and rapists?

etc...

So these beliefs are doing measurable harm but let's say for a moment that they weren't doing such obvious harm, chances are I would still give more than "half a shit". Imagine for a moment that you knew of a group of adults who still believed in Santa Claus and who preached the word of Santa and went around handing out pamphlets. Surely this is relatively harmless, but it's also ridiculous, after all who in their right mind would believe such absurd things? Chances are you'd argue against Santa belief. Belief in Father God and Father Christmas have an awful lot in common.


Lybrah 3 years ago

First of all, you don't know that those Jews went to hell...nobody could know for sure what would happen to the souls who suffered in the holocaust. So don't get upset over that. Where is your evidence that they all went to hell?

It sounds like you're trying to compare Hitler to God. What Hitler did was evil, and God must be evil because He "ordered the death" of many as well. Like I've told you before, God is just. He gives us an opportunity to repent but we never take it. They did not kill for the same reasons....and anyway, as I said before, innocents probably went right to heaven. So please don't compare.

Titen Sxull, you are deceived. Satan has you right where he wants you.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"They did not kill for the same reasons"

Oh, I see. So slaughtering entire cities of men, women and children is okay, as long as you have their best interests at heart. Honestly I've been pretty nice to you thus far, but you have GOT to be fucking kidding me with that response. Genocide can have NO justification. PERIOD.

No no, it is you who are deceived. Can't you see that Hades has your right where he wants you? He has lead you to forsake the ways of Zeus, forsake all of Olympus. Won't you heed the warnings before you two are damned by the gods to rot in the underworld? Hades has your heart seeking after false gods, woe to you!


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World Religion 3 years ago from the Cosmos

I see this is an article that's refusing to die. 2 years and still getting comments.

I would just add that there's not even a need to compare Yahweh with Hitler to see that the God's character is evil. The genocides in the Bible itself paints a God that is malevolent. I'm just appalled with how so many Christians defend those genocides, because the victims were pagan.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Thanks for the comment.

I know it isn't necessary, to compare God to Hitler, but Godwin's law was made to be broken. It's amazing that so many Christians will defend such horrendous acts instead of just admitting that people wrote those stories and that the deeds they lay at the feet of God either never happened or had nothing to do with God at all.


Gaw 3 years ago

Ever play the Shin Megami Tensei series? SMT II has Yahweh (spelled YHVH in the game) as the final boss.


jocelyn01 3 years ago

Hitler was no christian, I guess that intelligence and common sense makes us brilliant beings that excercises our "free will" to denounce the GOD that had created us, and APPLAUD a man who murdered for pleasure, but to each his own.

The TRUTH is YAHWEH, and one day, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that JESUS CHRIST is LORD. That means everyone of u THAT COMMENTED HERE WILL BOW AND CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HITLERS GOD(SATAN) AND YAHWEH IS THAT HE LOVES U DESPITE U SPITTING ON HIS FACE AND SATAN IS WAITING TO WELCOME U TO HELL.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"Hitler was no christian"

Hitler was a Christian, a Catholic to be more specific. In his book Mein Kampf Hitler claimed to be doing the will of God. Personally I don't think religion was what REALLY drove him to command such horrible atrocities but Hitler was most certainly a believer in God, even if you don't wish to count him as a Christian.

"our "free will" to denounce the GOD that had created us, and APPLAUD a man who murdered for pleasure, but to each his own."

Now who exactly is applauding Hitler? I mean sure many German citizens and Nazis did at the time of his rise to power. In this hub I use Hitler because he is the among the people most unanimously agreed to be evil primarily because of his genocidal tendencies. Yahweh also commits genocide and yet his followers still defend him for some inexplicable reason.

"THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HITLERS GOD(SATAN) AND YAHWEH IS THAT HE LOVES U DESPITE U SPITTING ON HIS FACE AND SATAN IS WAITING TO WELCOME U TO HELL."

I see, so by your admission the only difference between Yahweh and Hitler is that one of these evil genocidal maniacs claims to love all human beings unconditionally while committing his atrocities. So than on top of being just as evil as Hitler Yahweh is a liar with no understanding of the concept of love, got it.

The existence of Hell would only make your God more of an evil monster. Also, please keep in mind that to an atheist a threat of Hell is meaningless. You may as well be threatening that Hades will greet me at the Gates to the Underworld.


jocelyn01 3 years ago

"Hitler was a Christian, a Catholic to be more specific"

A catholic is no christian, a christian is a follower of Christ and his word and does not bow down to idols and conform to a paganistic religion or have hidden agendas.

I feel sad for u that your heart has been hardened against your maker, and u will remember this conversation one day. I will be praying for u.


Lybrah 3 years ago

@jocelyn01 Preach it, sister!


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

" a christian is a follower of Christ and his word and does not bow down to idols and conform to a paganistic religion or have hidden agendas."

You're committing a No True Scotsman fallacy. Catholicism is the largest Christian sect in the world. There isn't a single Christian sect that follows Christ's teachings or the Bible's commandments to the letter, doing so would be impossible at any rate.

"I feel sad for u that your heart has been hardened against your maker"

Actually I get along with my parents just fine these days. I feel sorry that you actually believe the myths penned by ancient desert dwelling peoples about a barbaric war-like storm God who condoned slavery and committed genocide. I feel sorry that you and those like you can set aside any sense of decency or morality to defend such stories and the fictional god they depict.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

and according to my bible that makes you a FOOL

Ps 14:1 The fool has said in his heart,

"There is no God."

Prov 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding,

But in expressing his own heart.

Prov 17:28 Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace;

When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

I can quote things too, here's one of my favorites,

"Who's more foolish the fool or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi

By the way in the film Star Wars none of the good guys ever murder innocent people, unlike your God. There is a character who murders innocent children in one of the films, his name is Darth Vader. If you want to ally yourself with the Dark Side by defending and worshiping one of the most obviously evil fictional characters in history be my guest, but I'd say that makes YOU the fool.


kandace 3 years ago

I am a Jehovahs witness and we do Not belive in hell fire. We believe that after death the soul dies except for the chosen 144,000 that will rule with Jesus in heaven.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Thanks for the comment kandace. Just out of curiosity do you think the Jehovah's Witness version is more or less just/fair than the typical Christian notion of eternal hell? How does the idea that only 144,000 will be saved affect the idea of a God who loves everyone unconditionally?


jocelyn01 3 years ago

Your utterances are that of a child who has yet to live life, with your “eye” laying dormant. Choice being the “key” word here. Humanity has the GODGIVEN right to choose AS the bible has so boldly defined. I am not going to debate your analytically misinterpretational thoughts. U have made a choice, to defy GOD then you will live with the consequences thereof.

How I blindly choose to follow Yahweh, is a personal choice that I have made and need not make you understand that choice, how I choose to trust him in all situations that are beyond my understanding or comprehension. How i choose to trust him and only him even if I lose, my children, my family, my assets and everything he has given me, is my choice and mine only.

Assume that u are right and I am wrong and what the bible says about the afterlife is not true. Then think about what if I am right and you are wrong and you come face to face with your maker(YAHWEH) and is thrown down to the depths of HADES because you have already CHOSEN your side.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@jocelyn01

"I am not going to debate your analytically misinterpretational thoughts"

No, you're just going to insult me and than threaten me with Hell.

"U have made a choice"

You really think belief or disbelief was a simple CHOICE? Like a choice of what breakfast cereal to eat or what color shirt to wear?

I did not reject Christianity as a matter of simply making a choice. I started out with the attitude of seeking the truth for myself, rather than being spoon-fed from a pulpit, I wanted to get to know the true God of the entire Universe and see the big picture. I started by reading the Bible from cover to cover and looking at it without automatically assuming it was true.

The first thing that stood out to me was how immoral and merciless the God of the Bible behaved, as opposed to what I'd always been taught in church. I was taught to believe in a loving God who would never leave me or forsake me, yet Yahweh is not that kind of God. After the morality of the Bible crumbled I still clung to Christ as the one redeeming quality of the Bible. I continued to research the Bible, it's origins, the books that were kept out of it, the logical and historical flaws and self-contradictions, etc.

To make matters worse there was no evidence or sound logical argument that supported Christianity as the one true religion or its God as being anything but imaginary. The more research I did the farther away from Christianity I got.

It wasn't a simple yes or no choice, it wasn't as if I could force myself to believe something that was so obviously false.

"is my choice and mine only."

You are, of course, entitled to your beliefs. This hub is no way endangering your right to Freedom of Religion.

"Then think about what if I am right and you are wrong and you come face to face with your maker(YAHWEH) and is thrown down to the depths of HADES"

What a very POOR choice of words jocelyn01, Hades is from Greek mythology, a mythology that you no doubt reject out of hand.

You do not worship Zeus or any of the gods of Olympus, you risk spurning them with your open disbelief, you risk being plunged into the Underworld. In fact by being a Christian you risk the torture of hundreds of different Hells, underworlds and other 'bad places for bad people' that exist in mythology and religion.

I, as an atheist, believe in none of these places and so have as much reason to be worried as I have reason to worry I will get coal in my stocking come Christmas time.

By the way you're using a bastardized form of Pascal's Wager here, an argument so rife with flaws that only a child would use it.

So if you're not going to debate me and you're not going to be persuaded to give up your "choice" to serve Yahweh than why are you back here? Just to call me a child and threaten me with Hell? Not a very convincing way of defending your religious beliefs and if you're not here to defend them than why bother commenting again at all? Just an insult and a threat... kind of pointless.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

so you are the pot calling the kettle black.... if you are an atheist why are you on the Christian forum spewing your venom?

just to insult . pointless. this is for Christians discussion not for fools to spew their venom


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

This hub isn't in a Christian forum and most of my posts in religious forums are quite logical and respectful. I don't recall ever "spewing venom". I try my best to ridicule the BELIEFS and not the BELIEVERS.

"this is for Christians discussion not for fools to spew their venom"

Is it? Has hubpages started openly banning people with dissenting opinions from the religious forums? No - I don't think they have. Even if it was just for Christians Christians wouldn't agree about anything

"if you are an atheist why are you"

Because I was raised a Christian and realized that Christianity doesn't have a leg to stand on morally, scientifically or logically. So the idea is to point out the flaws both as a cathartic experience (originally) and now-a-days more to change the minds of those on the fence and perhaps even those who believe strongly. I don't like seeing otherwise intelligent ordinary people believing extraordinary things without good reason. I wasted quite a few years of my life believing this stuff, it'd be kind of wrong for me NOT to speak out and, if I can, help others escape.


@jocelyn01 3 years ago

I really do not mind insults, it is okay. I am sorry if you thought i was attacking you, not my intention.

All that i would like to say is that, when i changed my life around from being a satanic drug addicted prostitute, Jesus came to me, stayed so close to me and carried me throught it all.

So i speak out of experience, and not maliciousness.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

If religion helped you turn your life around that's fine but I would say that it was an inner strength you possessed that carried you through. It's a nice idea, that we all have a savior, but really I think in those cases when people turn around from drugs and crime they're saving themselves even if they latch on to some external idea for courage and hope.

Why would a God who was willing to help you overcome drugs also create and operate a place of eternal torture? The idea of eternal Hell makes God out to be a monster and that's the point of this hub.


Lybrah 3 years ago

But Hell was created for Satan and his angels, and if you think about how evil Satan truly is (being responsible for ALL of the evil in the world), it is a just punishment. Those who end up in Hell will be there because they deserve it. God is not responsible for the evil in the world...He may have created evil, but He does not will it to happen, he only allows it to happen. We don't know what God's plan is, but He is a just God and you should really reconsider your thoughts before it's too late for you. Hell is going to suck...


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@Lybrah,

"But Hell was created for Satan and his angels, and if you think about how evil Satan truly is (being responsible for ALL of the evil in the world), it is a just punishment"

Is Satan responsible for all the evil in the world? I think you'd agree with me that God is more powerful than Satan right? So God could've stopped evil from spreading the moment Lucifer turned against him. Lucifer's single-handed creation of evil ITSELF cannot take place unless it is the will of God for nothing can oppose an all-powerful God's will.

It is God's choice to allow Satan to further corrupt things just as it is God's choice to damn the world for Adam and Eve's fall in the Garden and allow their sin to spread to future generations.

Satan cannot behave in a way that is counter-intuitive to his nature (ie to how God created him to behave). As we discussed with regards to free will if God created Lucifer TO BE IMPERFECT than God has no right punishing Lucifer for turning out TO BE IMPERFECT. It'd be like designing a car to break down every few hundred miles and than getting angry when it worked exactly how you designed it. Punishing the thing you designed for the shitty design you used isn't JUSTICE.

"He may have created evil, but He does not will it to happen"

Explain to me how killing the first born children of Egypt, who had done nothing wrong, after hardening Pharaoh's heart specifically to complete this last plague, is not evil. It's an act of genocidal revenge against innocent victims. If any human being committed this act they would be among the most infamous and evil human beings in history, so imagine how much WORSE that makes it for a supposedly good God to do such things. God is meant to be ABOVE us, BETTER than us.

"Hell is going to suck..."

Obviously I don't believe in your God or your afterlife (or any afterlife). But let's suppose for a moment that you are right, this means that everyone in Heaven will be bowing before a monster who created a pit of eternal torture. In fact since the Bible says MOST people will be going to Hell it means that everyone in Heaven will have at least one family member or close friend burning in Hell while they are in Heaven. So you will be bowing before a God who is willing to torture the PEOPLE YOU LOVE and YOU for ETERNITY for a finite list of misdeeds that he designed us to fall victim to in the first place.

Christianity, with the slightest depth of thought, simply implodes upon itself.


anonymous 3 years ago

Is Yahweh evil? It depends who you ask. Different people interperet the Bible differently and perceive its God differently. Some believe that Yahweh is all good and merciful loving and morally perfect but He is very strict with justice and He feels compelled to punish human sin and disobedience. What looks like cruelty and evil to us is really Yahweh handing out justice. A perfectly good God can appear to be evil and cruel because He punishes sin harshly. This maybe because Yahweh or God is so holy that He is unable to accept sin and any sin whether trivial or great is so offensive to Him that He must punish harshly. Yes God tortured and killed millions of people in the Bible but some of them really were very wicked people such as the Caananites who indulged in child sacrifices and prostitution. On the other hand there are instances in the Bible where Yahweh or God punishes unjustly or irrationally as when God has an angel kill 70000 men just because David took a census and where God kills 5070 people just because a few of them touched or looked into the Ark of the Covenant. Its also disturbing that God hardened Pharaoh's heart and this prolonged the punishment to the Egyptians. More disturbing to me is why God would punish innocent animals for the sins of human beings as in Noahs flood and why God would need animal sacrifices for human sins. Its irrational unjust and cruel. Allowing Adam and Eves sin to be passed on to ALL future unborn humans is unfair and unwise and cursing and punishing the entire creation for Adam and Eves sin with diseases toil painful childbirth venomous snakes scorpions centipedes predation hurricanes tsunamis birth defects miscarriages mass starvation physical ugliness and the loneliness that goes with it tapeworms droughts floods aging senility death is cruel unfair unjust. Some blame Satan and demons but in the Bible God is more culpable because God created all things and not Satan. If Satan and his minions are to blame for evil and suffering then why is God allowing it? God is supposed to be stronger and smarter than Satan and his minions. Why then does evil and suffering continue ad nauseam ad infinitum in the world and why does it seem like Satan and his minions are winning this war? If the mass of humanity is ending up in hell to be tortured forever with fire worms suffocation excrement demons and Satan then this is another win for Satan. It seems to me that Satan or the Devil is winning this war and its the Devil who is ruling this world. Why is God allowing this? In my opinion Yahweh of the Bible is morally ambivalent or He is a mix of good and evil. He has Jekyll and Hyde personality full of contrasts contradictions and paradoxes which can be seen in His behavior in the Bible and in the Nature He created.Th same God who created roses also created cancer. Good and evil impulses flows from Him and many many animals plants and other entities in Nature are ambivalent with each individual animal and each individual plant having both good and evil qualities. Bears Honeybees Elephants Lions Gorillas each have a friendly gentle side and a violent cruel side. Yahweh is like a cat which is friendly and affectionate on one hand and which bites and scratches its owner and kills and rips animals on the other hand. Good and evil light and dark at the same time. "I form the light and I create darkness I make peace and create evil."(King James Bible). God hurts and He heals according to the Bible.The Biblical God is BOTH good and evil or He is beyond good and evil. This is my opinion. No one has to agree with me. I also believe that there is insanity or irrationality in the God of the Bible. Gnostics believe that Yahweh is an inferior flawed being and is not the true good God. Gnostics call Yahweh the Demiurge who is a flawed being and who created this flawed screwed up world. According to the Gnostics the true good God did not create the physical world but only created the spiritual world. I don't know who or what to believe. I choose to believe in Yahweh as the true God and Jesus as savior. Otherwise Im threatened with being roasted like charcoals forever in hell. Its a frightening God this God of the Bible but this is what we're stuck with. Its not the kind of God I would like to have but this is what we're stuck with.Thank you for allowing me to write.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

“What looks like cruelty and evil to us is really Yahweh handing out justice”

This seems very morally relativistic to me. When human beings ate the fruit in the Garden we were gifted the knowledge of Good and Evil, our moral senses were awakened and we became “like God” in that respect. So one would assume that our intuitive understanding of morality, driven by empathy, compassion and a sense of fairness, would match up fairly well with that of Gods, except that Gods would be better - more merciful, more forgiving, more fair. So we wouldn't expect to see God engaging in behaviors that human beings deem the WORST POSSIBLE BEHAVIORS IMAGINABLE, like genocide, killing children, etc.

“If Satan and his minions are to blame for evil and suffering then why is God allowing it?”

A great question. I recall recently reading a Christian somewhere, perhaps I saw it while flipping through TV around Easter, praising God for his victory over Satan. I found myself wondering if Satan ever stood a chance. God is all powerful, Satan isn't. So Satan's defeat isn't some grand victory, any more than if Super-Man decided to choke-slam a purse-snatcher. Any being would be powerless without God.

“The Biblical God is BOTH good and evil or He is beyond good and evil.”

See the problem is that when we try to determine whether anyone is good or evil we generally look to see the bad things they've done and go from there. For example Hitler may have saved thousands of kittens from being stuck in trees in his life but we wouldn't look at that and than look at the Holocaust and say “well Hitler was BOTH good and evil”. Even if Hitler had saved as many people as he'd slaughtered he'd still be considered evil by most people's moral standards.

The problem with arguing that God is beyond good and evil is that that makes good and evil BEYOND God, as in something entirely separate that just exists without him. You could argue that Good and Evil are defined by God himself but than you fall victim to the Euthyphro dilemma which has not been answered adequately by theists and has been around for centuries.

“Its not the kind of God I would like to have but this is what we're stuck with.Thank you for allowing me to write.”

Yahweh's evil alone is not a reason to disbelieve, though in my opinion it is a reason to reject Christianity. The reason to disbelieve comes in the realization that there's no evidence, indeed no good reason whatsoever, to believe that Yahweh even exists. Like so many ancient gods Yahweh's existence has been essentially disproved, whether we define Yahweh using the beliefs of Judaism or Christianity or simply the Bible itself (which has self-contradictory views on him).

The reason I often bring up the moral arguments against the Biblical God is that realizing how repugnant a character he was was the first step I took toward atheism. I had always believed there was a God, a loving and merciful God who created the whole Universe, but when I read the Bible, fully expecting to get closer to this God, I found myself more and more disgusted by his behavior and with questions that no one around could answer (including God, because prayer never got any response). It took years to break the programming but realizing just how barbaric this ancient deity was proved a first step to freedom.

Thanks for the comment, some very good questions, sorry I could address all of it.


anonymous 3 years ago

Dear Titen-sxull you raise excellent points. Yahweh is a God who behaves in an evil manner. He may think Hes justified in punishing human sin but the nature and the severity of His punishments is excessive disproportionate monstrous inhumane and cruel. Floods pestilence famine starvation horrible diseases such as cancer malaria anthrax ebola river blindness etc etc centipedes brown recluse spiders stonefish tapeworms killing babies killing animals birth defects the loneliness that thousands of guys suffer from all their lives as they are unable to get a female companion hurricanes earthquakes tsunamis the plagues He inflicted on Egypt the killing of 70000 men just because David took a census turning Lot's wife into a pillar of salt merely for looking back at Sodom and Gomorrha and threatening His chosen people the Israelites that if they should disobey and sin He will turn them into CANNIBALS and have the mothers eating their babies. Yes that's right folks. God is threatening His CHOSEN PEOPLE no less with turning to cannibalism and baby eating. And this implies murdering their babies to eat them. This is SICK. This is no longed just punishment for sin but this is irrationality insanity savagery barbarism monstrous inhuman cruelty and stupidity. Its an EMBARRASSMENT. We have a God who engages in violence torture and killing. Another embarrassment from the Bible is where God tells His own chosen people no less to eat bread mixed with dung and to smear dung on their faces. We are in looneyville. This is God speaking mind you in the Holy Bible. This is moral perfection SUPPOSEDLY. This is supposedly love and mercifulness. What a JOKE. This is laughable. Id like to hear an entire sermon in Churches where the priests or ministers address these verses in the Bible where God tells people to eat dung and to smear dung on their faces and where God threatens people with cannibalism and eating babies. A return to Biblical "morality" anyone? And God punishing the entire creation for Adam and Eves sin and God allowing Adam and Eves sin to be transmitted to all future unborn humans is the height of cruelty injustice unfairness irrationality insanity asininity incompetence and extreme gross stupidity. Its a travesty. This irresponsible negligent God has abdicated the world to the Devil. If blame is to be thrown on Satan and demons then how stupid irresponsible and insane to allow Satan and demons all this freedom to cause havoc in the creation. That's like allowing a serial killer loose and giving him eons of time to do as he pleases. Is this not insanity? Is this not stupidity? I have to blush for shame at this idiocy. Im embarrassed and ashamed to call myself a Bible believing Christian. What a dunce we have for a God. This God is the biggest screwup and cant do much of anything right. He couldn't even communicate in a clear manner with human beings and so we have the vagueness ambiguity and contradictions within the Bible and within religion. The Christian community is divided and confused with numerous churches denominations and sects with each one yelling something different and with each one thinking that only they are right and everyone else is wrong. Why allow all this disagreement division contradiction and confusion especially when our immortal souks are at stake. I can picture Satan laughing at this incompetent God and laughing at humanity. This God doesn't know how to help us and doesnt know how to heal us and He has no common sense and He has no reasoning and does not know how to forgive. He refused to forgive Adam and Eve and went right ahead with cursing and punishing the entire creation along with Adam and Eve. That's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. This God has flushed His entire creation down the toilet. It makes me angry sad and embarrassed. I cannot accept this kind of insanity stupidity injustice cruelty. The Gnostic God is a vast improvement over the Yahweh of the Bible. The reason I believe in Yahweh and the Bible is out of fear. Its fear of ending up in hell to be roasted like charcoals forever. Fire worms excrement suffocation demons and Satan awaits unsaved human sinners. Imagine that. An eternal torture chamber where at least 90 percent of people are gling to end up. Its monstrous beyond imagining. And its all the price humanity has to pay for free will and for having a Satan as part of the creation and because Adam and Eve ate a forbidden fruit thousands of years ago and an unreasoning unjust unforgiving cruel God has a hissy fit and decides to punish and ruin His entire creation. This is the stupidity and insanity taught by our religion. Yes people need to be punished for their sins but an eternal rorrure chamber in hell such as I just described is monstrous sick fiendish sadistic diabolic malevolent inhuman cruelty beyond imagining and beyond belief. There are more merciful humane and more intelligent and more constructive ways to punish human sin than this. But no all this God knows how to do is to punsish us in the most horrific ways imaginable. His punishments are BEYOND what we can imagine. Its sick. The concept of an eternal torture chamber in hell is monstrous and sick especially considering that more people are ending up in hell rather than heaven according to Fundamentalists. Believers who support this monstrous doctrine of hell should try an experiment. Try to stick your hand in a hot oven and see how long you can stand it dear Christian. Imagine the entire body immersed in fire forever. Its more horrific than any horror movie. Authors Bill Wiese and Mary Baxter have written books about hell. Bill Wiese says theres fire demonic monsters and theres the feeling of suffocation. Its sick. Its monstrous. A loving merciful God would not torture so many of His creatures in such a horrific cruel inhumane manner. And the more people who end up in hell the more this is a win for Satan and demons. If Jesus came to save our souls then He failed to save all those millions to billions of unfortunate souls who will be roasting like charcoals forever with Satan. This is scary beyond imagining. That is why I choose to believe in Yahweh and Jesus as savior. Yahweh may be a cruel monster and He maybe insane but He is also a loving Father who sent Jesus to atone for our sins. Its an irrational way for God to forgive our sins. I embrace the good side of my God Yahweh and not His cruel side. Remember that humanity is threatened with eternal torture in hell if anyone does not love God and if they don't accept Jesus Christ as savior. Yahweh has many flaws and has made many flaws but Hes still our only God. That's why I urge everyone to accept Yahweh and accept Jesus as savior. Otherwise its an eternal torture chamber worse than any horror movie. Its very scary. I live in fear.


Lybrah 3 years ago

GOD IS GOD. Remember that. Whether or not He is evil, it does not matter in the long run, and it won't matter on Judgment Day. God is to be feared. That's why it says in the bible "Don't fear Satan, fear the God who can send you, body and soul, into hell." God is loving because He sent Jesus to save us. I think that when you're in hell roasting on fire, in torment, then suddenly bowing down to a "monster" won't seem so bad to you. But it will be too late for you then.


anonymous 3 years ago

Lybrah you say it doesn't matter whether or not God is evil. I think it matters a lot. Should we fear this God? Oh absolutely. A God or any being who is cruel enough or insane enough to create cancer malaria anthrax tooth decay ebola malaria centipedes jellyfish stonefish hurricanes tsunamis sharks crocodiles and any God who tortures and kills people and animals by the thousands as He did in the Bible and any God or any being who is gling to throw people in an eternal torture chamber in hell needs to be feared. The natural normal reaction is to fear such a cruel violent being. Its too easy to fear Him. The challenge here is can we love such a cruel violent being? But how can you believe that this is a God of love and mercy? He allows eons of suffering death and all manner of horrors in the world and He curses and punishes the entire world for all time for Adam and Eves sin and He allows Satan eons of tike to tempt corrupt and screw with the creation. This God allows Himself to be manipulated and bamboozled by Satan as in the book of Job for example. He makes an immoral cruel bet with Satan and Job is tortured just so God can tell Satan "See I told you so. I told you Job would still love me despite torturing him." Its a cruel egomaniac for a God who conducts cruel immoral tests. People and animals are like rats in a laboratory experiment and the two torturers conducting cruel experiments are God and Satan. An omniscient all knowing all wise God doesn't know how Job would react when suffering afflicts him? The Biblical God behaves as if He doesn't know and is not all wise and is not omniscient. Recall the loathsome story of the Passover which has God on a killing rampage. God tells His chosen people to sprinkle blood on their houses so He doesn't accidentally kill His chosen people as He sets about slaughtering the Egyptians. What's this? An omniscient all knowing God doesn't know who lives in each house? Yikes. If God cant even trust Himself then how can He expect anyone else to trust Him? Yes people need ro be punished but this God engages in monstrous inhuman cruelty to make His point. An eternal torture chamber in hell is SICK SADISTIC FIENDISH DIABOLIC MALEVOLENT. Im a sinner but I DON'T deserve hell. And its unfair unjust and cruel to be sent to hell because of Satan and free will and Adam and Eves sin and its unfair unjust and immoral to be sent to hell because one couldn't understand how to correctly interpret the Bible(nobody can.) All these different churches denominations sects and we don't know who is right and we don't know whose team this God is on. The Bible is vague unclear and full of contradictions and has caused endless disagreement division confusion. People cant even agree on which Bible translation is the correct one. I think thaf Satan or the Devil is laughing and is enjoying all this division and confusion and this is a win for the Devil. God's failure is a win for the Devil and God's deficiency is the Devil's opportunity. Its unconscionable what this God is allowing. The world is s hellhole and a horror movie and the Devil rules this screwed up world and not a loving wise God. And if millions and billions of people are headed for hell then this is a win fir Satan and his minions and Cbrist's sacrifice was and largely a failure. Why don't we as Christians admit that its Satan who is winning this war? Look at the horrible miserable condition the world is in. Human nature is screwed up and Nature is screwed up. This God doesn't know how to help us and doesn't know how to heal us. He has no merciful intelligent solution to offer us. He allows diseases sin mass starvation pollution loneliness etc to continue ad nauseam ad infinitum. This is not love and mercifulness. This is not omniscience. This is immorality insanity incompetence negligence cruelty and gross stupidity. This is CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE AND CRIMINAL CRUELTY. Its an embarrassment.


Lybrah 3 years ago

It may seem like Satan is winning...for now. But according to the bible (book of Revelations), God is going to get all the glory in the end, and Jesus is going to come back for all who live in Him. And don't falsely think that God and Satan are equals, because they are not.


anonymous 3 years ago

God is going to get all the glory in the end? Im not so sure of that. When is this God going to heal this screwed up broken creation? After everyone and everything is dead and extinct? After the sun uses up all its fuel billions of years from now? How many humans have lived suffered and died for thousands of years? How many animals wild and tame have lived suffered and died for millions of years? The number of human and animal victims throughout history and prehistory is uncountable. And evil sin suffering and death at the hands of human cruelty and at the hands of Nature's cruelty continues ad nauseam ad infinitum. There is no light at the end of the tunnel. What is taking this God so long? Does another geological period have to pass for this God to intervene? Does another geological era have to pass for this God to start healing this broken creation? This is more asinine insane cruel and unjust than locking the door to the house AFTER the thief has come and gone. This is like locking the door to the house AFTER the owners have been dead and gone for eons. Actually this is like trying to lock the door long AFTER the owners are dead and gone and when there is no more house left. Such are God's mysterious unknowable ways. Its insanity. He cant be right allowing eons of evils cruelties and miseries in the world and the longer this crap continues the more of a win it is for Satan. God's failure and incompetence benefits the Devil. The Devil has been ruling this screwed up world all along and will continue ruling it indefinitely. God's deficiency is the Devil's opportunity. Something is amiss with this God. Maybe Satan and demons are stronger and smarter than given credit for and its the Devil who is winning this war and God is losing. Maybe God is good and loving but He is not in control of whats going on in the world and there really is a DUALISM within creation as the Gnostics believe. In Monism God is sovereign and in Dualism God is not sovereign. Monism has a stronger God while Dualism has a weaker God. My personal opinion is that the God of Monism is not all good and is probably insane. The God of Dualism might be all good and might be sane but He is weak and not in control of whats going on in the world. Either way its a deficient God who is deficient in some manner and either way the creation is screwed and ruined and either way its a win for the Devil and evil. Either way Im screwed. How can we help God in this war with Satan? As angry as I am with God I still love my God. I still love Yahweh and Jesus. I hope I am forgiven for writing insulting comments about God. It just doesn't make sense what's going on in the world and Im bewildered frustrated and angry. My faith has weakened but its not dead. I will always be a Christian. Thank you for allowing me to write. Peace.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"GOD IS GOD. Remember that. Whether or not He is evil, it does not matter in the long run, and it won't matter on Judgment Day."

I'm pretty sure it matters whether or not God is evil, or at least your REACTION to God's evil would matter. For example if God is evil than he is not worthy of praise nor is he fit to judge human beings. If God is evil than human rebellion against God would be a GOOD thing.

"God is loving because He sent Jesus to save us"

I think I've explained in great detail why that isn't a loving scenario at all. God created Hell. God decides who goes to Hell. God holds imperfect beings, all of whom he designed specifically to be imperfect, to perfect moral standard they cannot hope to live up to. Offering up Jesus doesn't make it any better.

"then suddenly bowing down to a "monster" won't seem so bad to you"

Spoken like a true slave. Luckily for you it is only your mind that is enslaved to a delusion, and the monster isn't really under your bed.

"God is going to get all the glory in the end"

Explain to me why a God who created and is responsible for everything needs glory? Or deserves glory for winning a battle he cannot possibly lose? God can't lose to Satan, he could destroy Satan with a mere thought, the idea that he is somehow fighting some great battle, or winning some great victory, is a joke.

" And don't falsely think that God and Satan are equals, because they are not."

God defeating Satan is like Superman choke-slamming a purse-snatcher.

"so you choose not to believe in Him"

I hate to be mean but sometimes I wonder if you even think before you type something out. Lybrah I'm guessing you don't believe in Zeus right? What if I tried to tell you that the reason you don't believe in Zeus is because you don't want to follow his rules or pay him the proper sacrifice? In the Odyssey Odysseus is punished for not recognizing the part that the gods played in the victory at Troy, particularly Poseidon wants a piece of Odysseus. SO the warnings are there for you Lybrah, best start worshiping the gods of Olympus, OR ELSE.

But you don't believe in Poseidon or Zeus do you? And that's because they've been disproved, we understand they are just part of mythology and so they are not believed in or feared. It isn't because you "don't want to obey" or some other BS.

"The act of Communion is to "be one with God." Not literally eat flesh and drink blood, but to receive Him."

I know it isn't LITERALLY cannibalism, but it is SYMBOLICALLY cannibalistic. You don't find it a bit disturbing that the ritual involves pretending to eat flesh?

The Cross has come to be a symbol of hope, for your religion, because of the brutal death of Christ. Christians find hope in a symbol of death, an ancient method of execution brings happy thoughts, and they sing the praises of a God who sent an innocent man to die. So yeah, that's a death-cult, and from the outside looking in it's pretty fucked up to be teaching it to children on any level.

You won't believe me of course but I am much happier as an atheist than I ever was as a Christian. All those years as a Christian I was confused, filled with turmoil about who I was, especially as a teenager. As a teen I was constantly wracked with guilt, taught that sexual fantasy and swear words, was sinful, taught that Jesus was returning at any moment and any impure thoughts at the moment of rapture would get me left behind to face the tribulation. That was severely psychologically damaging. When 911 happened and I first heard about planes hitting the World Trade Center I thought I'd been left behind to ultimately burn in hell or be beheaded by the Beast. Can you imagine what that does to a kid? Fourteen years old and thinking I was too sinful to be captured simply because I gazed too longingly at my female classmates? None of the momentary joy, the warm fuzzy feelings, the enraptured emotions of speaking in tongues, made up for the psychological damage and guilt.

So you can imagine how relieved I was as slowly but surely the bullshit religion I was raised with was peeled away and than the rest of religion and superstition slowly went too. Realizing that none of it was true, that I'd been lied to and injected with guilt for no reason was painful but necessary. It took me years and years but yeah I can easily say that I'm much happier without religion.


anonymous 3 years ago

I wrote before that the Gnostic God is a vast improvement over Yahweh from the Bible. I prefer to believe in Dualistic religions such as Gnosticism and Zoroastrianism. The theology of Judaism Christianity and Islam is predominantly Monistic with some Dualism which makes God more or less culpable for evil and suffering. Monism has a sovereign God who is powerful but in my opinion this God is partly evil irrational INSANE and not all wise. Dualism and the God of Dualism is good wise rational and sane but He is weak or not powerful enough to combat evil and so is not sovereign and not in control of what's going on in the world. I personally prefer the God of Dualism. I would rather have a God who is good wise but weak rather than a God who is cruel insane stupid and powerful (which describes Yahweh). In either case its a deficient God and the creation is screwed and its a win for the Devil. The Gnostics claim that Yahweh is an inferior creator God or Demiurge who is ignorant and flawed and who created this flawed screwed up world of disease excrement centipedes brown recluse spiders jellyfish tapeworms birth defects mental retardation stupidity insanity hurricanes predation meat eating violence killing death entropy degeneration decay. In Gnostic Christianity the true good God is not Yahweh but another God who is unknowable. This unknowable God is good but He is not all powerful and is unable to help people in this earthly life but He is able to bring us back to life after death. The Gnostic God cannot penetrate this world of matter and thus is unable to help us. Yahweh on the other hand is able to help us but chooses not to and allows us to suffer. Theres a difference between being unable to help and being able to help but refusing to help. Yahweh is cruel irresponsible negligent insane unwise and cruel by allowing evil and suffering to continue ad nauseam ad infinitum. Its CRIMINAL CRUELTY AND CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE. Yahweh is immoral. I personally prefer the Gnostic God even if its weak. Goodness is more important to me than power. Being rational sane and wise is also important to me which are all lacking in Yahweh. I want a God whose morality and goodness is similar to mine. Unfortunately with Yahweh His goodness includes inflicting or allowing diseases starvation disasters loneliness etc because His ways are unknowable. Its more like His ways are irrational and insane. It makes me blisteringly angry that this Yahweh punishes the ENTIRE creation for the actions of two people- Adam and Eve and allows Adam and Eves sin to be transmitted to ALL future unborn humans and punishes innocent animals along with sinful humans. Its unfair unjust unwise uncouth unkind unintelligent irrational insane stupid and cruel. Cruelty insanity asininity and gross stupidity. We have a God who has ruined and destroyed His creation because two ignorant humans ate a forbidden fruit thousands of years ago. Its beyond stupid. Its beyond insane. And He refuses to forgive Adam and Eve. Yahweh has no common sense and has no reasoning and does not know how to forgive. Mentally unevolved and morally unevolved. I am so angry at this God. This God is deeply profoundly sick. He is deeply profoundly insane and hopelessly stupid. His cruelty is beyond imagining. This God is cruel like the Satan who is supposed to be His enemy. This God has abdicated the world to the Devil. Im embarrassed and ashamed to call myself a Bible believing Christian. Maybe the Gnostics are right and there is more than one God. Maybe Yahweh isn't the only God. Maybe theres a better God. I want something better than the cruel violent insane maniac from the Bible. That's not my God. I want a God who is good moral loving and humane UNLIKE Yahweh. I want a wise rational sane moral God UNLIKE Yahweh. Where can I find such a God?


Lybrah 3 years ago

Anonymous, whether you like it or not, Yahweh is the ONE TRUE GOD. You can't make up your own littles gods because you disapprove of the one true one. You're like the kids in my class who get mad at me when I take away someone else's recess (for backtalking, for example). The kid deserves to get punished! Some people do deserve to go to hell. I'm sorry, but it is what it is.


anonymous 3 years ago

I continue as anonymous. Yahweh is insane. Hes unfair unjust unwise unreasoning and unforgiving. Even when He forgives He still punishes or He still has to allow suffering. Its a sadistic masochistic God. This God is just not right in the head. This God cannot see the cruelty the wrong the immorality the insanity the stupidity and destructiveness of what He does and what He allows. This God cannot see sin in His cruel inhumane punishments and in His cruel inhumane testing and in His negligence. This God cannot see sin in the suffering and evil He allows. Its all beyond our comprehension were told as God's ways are unknowable and mysterious to us humans. Does that justify turning the world into a hellhole? Does that justify turning the world into a horror movie? The world is a hellhole ruled by Satan and we have a God who allows it. Free will does not justify turning the world into a warzone. Not in my book preacher. And no one has total free will. Nature nurture genetics brain chemistry and environmental conditions also dictates and determines our behavior good or bad. Allowing Adam and Eves sin to be transmitted to ALL future unborn humans is unfair unjust insane and stupid and cursing and punishing the ENTIRE creation including innocent animals is cruelty insanity irrationality injustice and gross stupidity. That's not my God. I prefer the Gnostic God anyday to Yahweh. Yahweh is the cruelest and most insane being imaginable who has no common sense and who has no reasoning and who does not know how to forgive. This God is not right in the head. Mentally blind and morally blind. Author Mark Twain writes that the Biblical God mouths morals and mercifulness and has none Himself. He has no morals and no mwrcy except that of His mouth. He is a hypocrite who supposedly hates violence and killing and yet He inflicts violence and killing by the millions in the Bible. He kills millions of people and He kills millions to billions of animals in the Bible and the Nature He created is super abundant with violence and killing (and suffering.) So He does what He forbids and He forbids what He does and He creates what He forbids and He forbids what He creates. Its a morally conflicting contdadictory confusing morally impossible God who has more contradictions than Charles Manson. Yahweh is the original Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde who has both good and evil in Him. Yet He expects us to be good and He expects us to call Him perfectly good. Hes not perfectly good. Not even close to it. Both God and Satan are to blame for evil and suffering if one reads the Bible objectively. Eldritch Abomination describes both God and Satan. They're both cruel immoral amoral monsters and both of them are insane. Neither one is fit to be worshipped. This world is a 4.6 billion year old horror movie. A loving merciful wise God cannot be in control of this cruel dangerous screwed up world. The Devil rules this screwed up world and not a loving God. If human beings deserve to be punished because of sinfulness and if those Canaanites in the Bible were so sinful and depraved that they were sacrificing babies and engaging in violence killing prostitution and they deserved to be killed then how stupid and insane for God to allow human beings to become this sinful and evil. God should have foreseen the evils and sins humans would do and God should have prevented it. This God doesn't prevent anything no matter how evil and no matter how horrible. This God allows any and all evils and allows any and all horrors to exist and continue ad nauseam ad infinitum. So we have a hell on earth and theres a vastly worse hell in the next life which lasts forever for 90 percent of the population. This is a sick cruel insane immoral stupid way of running the creation. Its sick. If this God hates human sin so much then He would not be allowing it for thousands of years and He would NOT have allowed Adam and Eves sin to be passed on to ALL future unborn humans and He would not NOT be allowing Satan and demons to tamper and screw with His creation. Free will Satan Adam and Eve a forbidden fruit and a talking tempting snake. Its a recipe for disaster tragedy and failure. Its the ingredients for disaster tragedy and failure. The creation was set up to be screwed by free will Satan and Adam and Eve. Its a travesty. This God of the Bible wrote the book on how to screw and ruin the creation. Ensnarement and entrappmemt was this experiment with Adam and Eve. Humanity was set up to fail set up to fall set up to be screwed. Its a pitfall and this experiment with Adam and Eve was the first pitfall out of countless pitfalls in human history. Did this God ever think of the disastrous consequences of what He was doing? This unreasoning unjust God refused to forgive Adam and Eve and went right ahead with cursing and punishing the ENTIRE creation. Im so angry at this God. YOU RUINED THE WORLD GOD. Why didn't He forgive Adam and Eve? Why trash your entire creation? Why ask an intelligent question to an unintelligent stupid God? Why ask a reasonable question to an unreasoning God? Why ask a rational question to an irrational God? Why ask a sane question to an insane God? Why allow Adam and Eves sin to be passed on to ALL future unborn humans? Why ruin human nature? Why ruin your creation? And the entire world is threatened with an eternal torture chamber in hell. Either love and worship God and believe Jesus or burn in hell forever say the Fundamentalists. A lot of our sins are natural or Nature is to blame for it such as lust and violence. So this God is going to punish people for being what Nature made them to be. Its sick and insane. What a hopeless world this is. I suffer from intense loneliness as Im physically ugly and mentally ill. I don't have a girlfriend and theres not an iota of hope of getting one. I have to suffer because of Adam and Eves sin or for something that two ignorant humans did thousands of years before I was even born. Its unfair unjust insane cruel stupid. This is the bullshit taught by our religion. Im pissed. Its a travesty. This God is criminally cruel and criminally negligent. Its an embarrassment.


anonymous 3 years ago

Lybrah. First of all Im not a little kid in your classroom. Secondly this TRUE GOD YAHWEH is worse than just a mean strict teacher. Some people do deserve hell. I'll be the first to admit that theres a lot of very evil horrible people in the world and not just murderers rapists thieves and drug dealers. Yes all of us are sinners but NOT all of us deserve an eternal torture chamber in hell. There are more merciful and humane ways to punish than this and there are more intelligent and constructive ways to punish than this. Unfortunately this true God Yahweh only knows how to punish in the most horrific way imaginable or unimaginable. Fire worms excrement siffocation demons and Satan forever. This is monstrous diabolic sadistic fiendish malevolent insane inhumane cruelty worse than any horror movie. This is NOT love and mercifulness. And as evil and as sinful as peoole are a lot of our evil and what we call sin ks Natural or Nature is to blame for it. Lust and violence are two examples of Nature giving humans a strong sex drive resulting in fornication adultery rape prostitution etc and assault torture and war. Nature and nurture also dictates and determines human behavior. Let me point out animal suffering. Why do animals have to suffer? They don't deserve it and neither can they be improved by it. Yahweh or God orders animal sacrifices and He kills animals in the Bible for the sins of human beings. Why did God kill 50070 people just because a few of them touched or looked inside the Ark of the Covenant? Why did God kill 70000 men because David took a census? Its sick insane irrational and monstrous. Cruelty irrationality insanity injustice ruthlessness violence killing death stupidity and destructiveness are the ways of Yahweh the TRUE GOD. If this is the true God then Im screwed and the mass of humanity is screwed. If this is the true God then Im going to end up in a mental hospital from fear. I suffer from nightmares and one of the reasons is because I fear this cruel insane God of the Bible. This God is an unjust unreasoning irresponsible negligent egomaniacal cruel irrational insane monster who cares only that we worship Him and believe Jesus. It doesn't matter to Him how horrible our lives are. He has no solution to offer us. Hes an absentee landlord who refuses to provide for our needs and who refuses to belp us and who refuses to heal us. He allows us to remain in our sinfulness and allows us to suffer and die by one horrible means or another. Hes irresponsible negligent remote aloof disconnected and cruel to the UMPTEENTH DEGREE. Human nature isn't going to heal by itself and Nature's cruelties and defects isn't foing to heal by itself. God has to heal it or there is no hope. What good does this God think Hes doing by continuing to allow sin disease starvation disasters pollution loneliness depression etc ad nauseam ad infinitum? The longer this shit goes on the more its a win for the Devil. The world is a shithole a hellhole a warzone and a horror movie ruled by the Devil. Bleak and hopeless is the future.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

According to your God all people deserve to go to Hell Lybrah, not just some people.

"You're like the kids in my class who get mad at me when I take away someone else's recess (for backtalking, for example)."

Anonymous has clearly recognized the injustices and immorality of the Christian God but as I said that alone is not a reason to disbelieve, it is merely a reason to reject. The reason to disbelieve is that, unlike an angry teacher, there is no one in charge of the classroom of humanity. There is no evidence that your God exists Lybrah, you've certainly presented none.


Adam Kadmon 3 years ago

Yahweh isn't the real Creator of the Universe. Someone else holds that title and he is called Source! Yahweh was his son and he usurped his place while Source slept for billions of years.


anonymous 3 years ago

According to author William Dembski God retroactively cursed and punished the entire creation long before Adam and Eve sinned because God foresaw their sin eons before it happened. God supposedly knows all that will happen from beginning to end and from the past to the present to the future.According to this theory God does not have to act act within chronological time. It seems this theory was made to reconcile Genesis with that of an old creation and with the knowledge that suffering death and extinctions in the animal kingdom are way older than Adam and Eve and way older than humanity. While this theory conforms with science and evolution it still does not absolve God for cruelty and injustice. It still fails as a theodicy. In fact I would say it makes God an even bigger lunatic and an even bigger dunce and an even bigger monster. The Bible makes God more or less culpable for evil sin suffering and death. Satan and demons might be God's enemies but they are also His instruments to screw people as in the book of Job.No matter how I look at it the Biblical God is an egomaniacal incompetent unreasoning unjust unwise unkind irrational insane irresponsible negligent inhumane cruel monster and dunce who cant do much of anything right and whose cruelty insanity incompetence negligence and gross stupidity have caused eons of evils ills miseries and horrors. Retroactive punishment for Adam and Eve's sin? Its retroactive cruelty retroactive insanity retroactive injustice and retroactive stupidity. This God is a bigger dunce than the 3 Stooges. Children of a stupid God we are. Cruelty irrationality insanity injustice ruthlessness violence killing death torture incompetence negligence and destructiveness are His ways. Im embarrassed and ashamed to call myself religious. Im going to be driven insane from embarrassment anger and fear which this God causes me to feel. There is no greater embarrassment and there is no greater crime than allowing eons of evil sin suffering and death. Because of free will this God just folds His hands and allows all manner of evil and cruelty to continue ad nauseam ad infinitum. He has no intelligent constructive solution to offer us and He has no merciful humane solution to offer us. Hes a deadbeat and an absentee landlord. We may as well be praying to a tree trunk. Satan and demons are winning as this God is utterly incompetent and stupid. He has no common sense and has no reasoning. Having a screwed up world is part of His unknowable divine plan which us humans cant understand. It never ceases to amaze me the incredible lengths which religious people go to in defending and justifying their God. Its impossible to justify eons of evil sin suffering death and extinctions. If God has no choice but to allow evil and suffering then He is deficient or limited in some manner or maybe He is irrational and insane. God should not have created this screwed up world with screwed up human beings. The world is a hellhole and a horror movie. Irresponsible incompetent negligent and cruel is the creator.


anonymous 3 years ago

If this Yahweh or the Biblical God exists and if Hes as cruel spiteful irrational nasty insane unjust unreasoning and as stupid as the Bible indicates then this is a nightmare beyond imagining. We worship evil. We worship an evil cruel monster. I suggest as Christians Jews and Muslims that we aclnowledge and admit that God is evil or partly evil as an objective reading of the Bible reveals. Its time we integrate or include evil in our theology and beliefs about this God that we worship. Its right in the Bible folks. "I form light and create darkness I make peace and create evil." (King James Bible.) Other Bible translations substitute the word evil and say God creates disaster calamity woe misery catastrophe etc. Isn't disaster a form of evil? A being who creates or who causes disaster is at least partly evil or insane or amoral. Theres no getting around the fact that the Biblical God or Yahweh engages in evil cruel behavior and who claims He creates evil or causes evil. We worship a nasty monster with a split personality. The original Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. At some point Satan and demons were introduced to explain evil and suffering and to get God off the hook for having such a shithole world. Here's the problem. According to the Bible God created all things and not Satan and not any demon. God also created humans and created angels including the one who became Satan. The problem of evil is acute with Monotheism monism creationism and with taking the Bible literally. Fundamentalist Christians don't seem to realize that by insisting that God is the creator of all things and that all of the Bible is literally true that this makes God more or less culpable for evil and suffering. This makes God guilty of cruelty and the blame for evil sin and suffering ultimately is traced back to God. Why would you want to believe this Fundamentalists? Personally Im embarrassed angered and disturbed that God created every disease and every repulsive worm and every venomous pest and birth defects deformities hurricanes and tsunamis. Im also personally embarrassed angered and disturbed by much of the Bible God's behavior such as having a hissy fit and ruining and punishing the entire creation because Adsm and Eve ate a forbidden apple and for killing 70000 men because David took a census and for threatening His chosen people with turning into cannibals and mothers eating their babies and for threatening people Hes angry with by having their women "ravished". The word ravished means rape. If God is angry enough with someone then He will inflict or allow all manner of evil on them whether its rape cannibalism disease starvation genocide torture famine disaster and the theft or pillaging or looting of their property. Its ok to rape and to torture and to kill and to steal for this God if His victims are sinners. This still makes God a moral monstrosity. This God cannot see sin in His cruel inhumane punishments and He cannot see sin in His cruelty and negligence and He cannot see sin in the suffering and evil He allows.Is it morally justifiable to kill 42000 people because they couldn't correctly pronounce the word shibboleth? Is it morally justifiable to kill thousands of Israelites because they were complaining about being in the harsh conditions of a wilderness and desert with snakes scorpions starvation dehydration intense heat and intense cold? Remember that deserts are harsh dangerous places with temperature extremes from 110 degrees to as low as freezing and there were no air conditioners and no heaters back then. And this God tries to kill Moses and forbids Moses to set foot in the Holy Land. After Moses delivered the ten commandments and after he killed so many people in war and after he wrote the first five books of the Bible and after Moses led the Israelites through many miles of wilderness and desert this God tries to kill him and forbids him to set foot in the Holy Land. Who could be so cruel and unjust and so insane to do this? The answer is Yahweh the God of the Bible. What was Moses sin that angered Yahweh? Was it because Moses failed to get circumcized? Was it because when Moses struck a rock to obtain drinking water he failed to give credit to this miracle to Yahweh? As we all know this God of the Bible is insanely jealous narcisstic egomaniacal and megalomaniacal and He is cruel punitive vindictive and spiteful. Consider Christians what kind of God you worship. Its a nightmare God. I live in fear.


evadoug1 3 years ago

Is there anyone who is convinced we are indeed in the end times described in the bible and that Yahweh is indeed real. But finds Him to be so utterly cruel that there is no way I can bring myself to worship or love him, and so believe that I am therefore damned to hell? I really think I am going to hell, b/c I cannot love such a cruel god.


anonymous 3 years ago

Evadoug 1. Yes. I can relate to you. I don't believe this is the end times but I do believe that Yahweh is evil or partly evil. He has a cruel violent side which can be seen in His behavior in the Bible and which can be seen in the Nature He created. Hes the original Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde who existed eons before the novel appeared in 1886. Hes partly evil and I believe He also insane. I think its rime our theologians and churches start integrating or start including evil as one of the attributes of Yahweh. Its horrifying to discover that the God you worship or have to worship is an evil cruel malevolent insane monster. This is what we're stuck with sad to say. My only reason for worshipping this God is fear. The Bible promises hell and I live in fear of going to hell. Having a cruel evil insane God who threatens people with hell is nightmarish. Im literally having nightmares about this.


evadoug1 3 years ago

If we must love Him with all our hearts, then mine cannot do it. It just physically can't do it. I can try to worship him in misery and fear, but He will reject it anyway. If being a martyr for God but doing so with no love in our hearts makes it worthless, then I think I am just going to hell. I don't know what to do. Part of my brain knows I am going to hell. Another part says this can't possibly be true, that I always conceived as God as Source and Love. Do I just pretend that to be true for the rest of my life, to enjoy these few scant years before he sends me to eternal torture for objecting to the cruelty of eternal torture? I wish I had never ever existed. I wish I did not exist ever, at all.


anonymous 3 years ago

Its a nightmare we are in. We worship a cruel nasty insane monster. Im probably going to end up in hell because of my compalints anger and insults to this God. Look how sick this is. This God gets us so angry at Him that we either start becoming atheists agnostics heretics apostates pagans or Satanists. Because of His cruelty nad negligence He drives us to rebel against Him and then He is going to punish us in hell for it. He creates the conditions for us to rebel against Him. Its sick. Its beyond sick. I too wish I was never born into such a horrible world and especially if a cruel insane spiteful malevolent God exists and is threatening me to an eternal torture chamber after I die. The author C.S. Lewis had a friend named Doc who went raving with insanity because he feared he was going to hell. He ended up in a mental hospital. Religion has caused as much misery as it has given happiness. The doctrine of hell is monstrous inhuman diabolic sadistic fiendish malevolent cruelty beyond imagining and beyond description. And all this because Adam and Eve ate a forbidden fruit and because a certain angel was created who turned bad and who became Satan. It still makes God a cruel insane unreasoning monster. I live in fear. For years Ive suffered from nightmares and fear of hell is one of the reasons why.


evadoug1 3 years ago

I'm afraid that I my mental health is just going to keep worsening too. How do you live if you know you are going to hell? He'll never accept me because I cannot love him. My kind heart, that cannot accept eternal torture, is going to send me to hell. I don't know how to live. My thoughts are maybe just try to pretend it's not true, try to enjoy what little time I have left. Maybe the people that were predestined for heaven,maybe he gave them the ability to not be able to see his cruelty. And for those of us who can, maybe he just knew that we would never be saved. Maybe you can see a counselor, try to find some support so that your remaining years on earth are less awful. I wish I had never read the bible, I wish I had just a naïve understanding that God was good, that I could then maybe still go to heaven. But b/c I read the bible, and because I cannot love cruelty, then I am going to hell.


anonymous 3 years ago

Maybe God is good but its the Bible that's evil. Or part of the Bible is evil. Maybe not everything the Bible says about God is true. Lets hope not all of it is true. My fear is that it is true and that this God really does have an evil cruel side in Him and He is also insane and unreasoning as the Bible describes Him. This God has a cruel evil side that resembles Satan who is supposed to be His enemy. God and Satan maybe enemies but according to the Bible in the book of Job Satan and demons are more of God's instruments to screw with people. God allowed Satan to torture Job over an immoral test. This God is such an egomaniac He will allow the Devil the freedom to hurt people as a way of testing our faith. There is a true life story about the demonic possession of a German girl named Annelise-Michel in Germany who died from starvation and exhaustion and from the possession in the 1970s. What makes this especially disturbing and embarrassing is that real priests and real exorcists were sent to heal her and they failed miserably to save her. This girl was a devout Christian and people prayed for and sent priests and exorcists to save her. The posssession dragged on for a year and the exorcism dragged on for 10 months. She suffered and died anyway. So much for Christ giving the power to exorcise demons. The biggest failures here are God and Jesus Christ. Where was God and Jesus then? How could they allow such a horrific ordeal to the posssessed girl and to her family? Its an embarrassment. God and Jesus are absentee landlords and the Devil is ruling this screwed up world. What kind of God allows thousands to millions of years of suffering pain death and evils and doesn't even have the decency to tell us why the world has to be this way. Are we all actors in a horror movie in God's movie projector? This God is comducting a cruel immoral test and is conducting a cruel immoral experiment. We're like rats in a laboratory experiment and the two insane torturers who are conducting this cruel insane experiment are both God and Satan. Human beings and animals are the victims of God and Satan. People and animals suffer and die and the Bible says many people are headed for hell in the next life. The origin of evil is the most frightening mystery of all. Where did God go wrong? This problem of evil and suffering is vastly older and more complex and more profound than the silly story of Adam and Eve eating a forbidden fruit. If blame is to be thrown on Satan and demons then why does God allow these evil entities to cause all this evil cruelty misery and havoc? Part of the problem lies within


anonymous 3 years ago

I got cut off by the computer. Part of the problem lies within God Himself. Theres a deficiency within God and He has chosen to keep silent and secret about it. You make an interesting point that those people who are unable to see God's cruelty are saved while those of us who are smart enough and lucid enough to see His cruelty will be unsaved. Yes its horrific. I want a God whose goodness and morality is similar to mine and not vastly different from mine. If I feel that inflicting or allowing diseases mass starvation hurricanes tsunamis pollution loneliness accidents crimes and genocides is evil and wrong then God should feel the same way and God should be able to heal these evils. Instead He allows these evils ad nauseaum ad infinitum. Something is amiss with this God. I cannot accept as fair that Adam and Eve's sin has to be passed on to all future unborn humans and I cannot accept that the entire creation has to be ruined and cursed by diseases mass starvartion violence killing toil ticks fleas lice centipedes jellyfish intense cold intense heat etc. Its cruelty injustice and insanity what this God has done and what He allows. The Biblical God is a monster.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

You don't have to pretend it isn't true Evadoug, there are good reasons to reject the existence of Yahweh altogether. Moral objections aside the Christian God is logically bankrupt as a concept for many many many reasons. Furthermore there is a total lack of convincing evidence for such a being, evil or benevolent. Instead the Universe merely seems indifferent to suffering because it simply IS, it just exists and is not an intelligent being nor was it produced by one. I urge you to look into the logical objections to God, there's no reason to live in fear.


evadoug1 3 years ago

It seems to me that bible prophecy is accurate. I was an atheist until I saw that the prophecies are being fulfilled. So now I believe I am going to be sent to hell. Bc I actually read the bible and recognize the cruelty. How unfair. I want to love God but cannot so He will send me to eternal torture. Part of my mind is terrified, the other part is in denial.


Lybrah 3 years ago

Evadoug, God's grace goes beyond anything we can fathom...his ability to forgive sins is astounding. You're not going to hell! As long as you believe in Christ, you are saved. Unless you've blasphemed the holy spirit, but I doubt it.


evadoug1 3 years ago

I did blaspheme and can't maje my mind accept such s cruel God. So I just accept hell now. I can bow down and grovel but He will know my heart does not love Him. How unfair- that my compassion prevents me from being able to love God- so therefore He will torture me.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled? The only Biblical prophecy I've ever heard that was actually "fulfilled" was the creation of the nation of Israel, and since everyone who read the Bible knew about that prophecy, and millions wanted to create that nation, its just a self-fulfilling prophecy. The prophecies in the Bible are often just as vague as in other religions and superstitious traditions, the Messianic prophecies in particular are pathetic.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

The only thing to worry about when going to Heaven is having to bow before the same monster that's burning people in a Lake of Fire. I think that's evadougs whole point. If the Bible is true at least one person in your family or group of friends will be going to Hell, if you can honestly sit back and worship a being who is responsible for endlessly torturing someone you love than there's something wrong with you.

If this God is real he's evil, and Heaven might as well be Hell. Let's not forget that you're also supposed to watch the tortures of those in Hell FROM heaven. In fact for centuries that was touted as one of the perks of Heaven, getting to watch the sinners be tormented.


Shane 3 years ago

I understand how you all feel with terror of being tormented forever in an eternal lake of fire. It seems so unfair no matter what way you slice it. One guy who apparently had an NDE said a 6 year old boy was in hell. If that's the case I can't love a God like that and feel like God should be eternally tormented forever.


Shane 3 years ago

I asked Jesus into my heart and was baptized at age 8. Even though I felt no matter what I did I was going to go to hell forever. I used to always have fear of being left behind in the rapture and used to have tantrums if I could not find certain people. To this day I feel damned no matter what I do. Thinking anybody going to an eternal place of suffering especially little children makes me want to vomit. I always hoped stuff like this was never true but I don't know. I am agnostic. I had a nervous breakdown over this stuff at age 14 that lasted 6 months. Death or being crucified would have been preferable. I have lashed out at God in utter defiance and don't know if I'll make it if this is the way it really is. I feel like that phrase the Smashing Pumpkins used in one of their songs. "Despite All My Rage I Am Still Just A Rat In A Cage."


Anonymous 3 years ago

None of you have grown enough to evaluate the accuracy of God's pathways.


TP phone home 2 years ago

Please, learn the difference between "than" and "then", please. Please.


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Titen-Sxull 2 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Your grammar-nazism has been duly noted. Oh wait no, I should use the wrong your just to piss you off =P


Kenneth 2 years ago

Wow. Your reasons are much better than mine. You are my role model. I feel so much closer to the real Truth. No matter how justified the killings are, it is wrong. If jesus was sent to us to "save" us, that is certainly not a victory. If we are imperfect design, its really the creator that should take the blame. I was in a big debate with other Christians recently, and they were quoting verse after verse, I didn't knew how to make a valid reason for them to not believe. Though the reasons I used are the very reason why I don't believe. The prayers doesn't get answered. It is us who save ourselves from difficult situations. God being viewed as a genocidal leader and Satan killing a lot less people than God. All in all, I'm happy that I found this website. The big debate was not on a christian site. It was on an atheist forum.


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Titen-Sxull 2 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Thanks for the kind words Kenneth. Feel free to visit my others hubs and use any of the arguments therein, reword or rephrase them as necessary. It can be frustrating arguing against some theists, good luck in your future debates :D


Nate 2 years ago

Great article man! More power to you!

Though it's too bad that things like this wouldn't even reach the minds of most of the Christians. It is because the majority of the Christian community are deceived beyond repair.

A sad, sad world we live in eh?


Sumbody 2 years ago

Wow, your article is a great example of Blasphemy. Or a really good attempt at it if it's not. The great thing about worshipping yourself above all else is that you're pretty much always right. But the sad part is that in always being first, you're completely unable to see when you're coming in last.


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Titen-Sxull 2 years ago from back in the lab again Author

I don't worship anything or anyone.

"But the sad part is that in always being first, you're completely unable to see when you're coming in last."

Yes, the old "I don't have anything of substance to say so I'll just pretend to be a psychologist" trick. Please feel free to pretend you know things about me, it really does nothing to undermine my position, it just shows you have no defense for your own.

And as for blasphemy, yes, I do blaspheme. I insult, poke fun at at, and tear down as many superstitious and empty ideas as I can because they used to hold back my thinking and they continue to hold back our entire species. I have no fear or shame in condemning a fictional character. If you're going to comment, at least attempt to say something with substance to it, address the arguments I make, otherwise you've just wasted my time.


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celafoe 2 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

why not waste your time, you are wasting the time of anyone that reads your trash. Peter and Paul and James and John ALL warned us of evil people like you that would come to prey on the weak that do not understand the scriptures well. For their sake I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ and command you to stop promoting such lies as you do.

sumbody- you are correct


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Titen-Sxull 2 years ago from back in the lab again Author

I rebuke you, in the name of Cthulhu, the Great Old One, who slumbers in his great city, may the dark eon he ushers in bring you madness and woe!

See, I can appeal to imaginary beings too :P


anonymous 2 years ago

Much of the Bible is immoral and repulsive. Look up or google: Fundamentalist Christianity:the worship of an evil God, and look up or google:How God is evil and stupid. I wrote elsewhere about the prevalence of Natural evils such as cancer, centipedes, stonefish, black widow spiders, malaria, ebola, predation, violence, carnage, killing, death, hurricanes, tsunamis, screw worm flies, physical deformities, tooth decay, mass starvation, unclean water,etc which this God allows to torment and kill His creatures. I wrote about the cruelty, unfairness, unreasonableness, violence, and bloodthirsty nature of the Bible God. The Bible God commands rape, genocide, torture, stealing or looting to punish human sin and threatens people with turning into cannibals and threatens to have babies ripped from the bellies of pregnant women. This God sanctions slavery and commands animal sacrifice. How many animals did this monster kill? Between the animal sacrifices and Noah's flood and the plagues on Egypt, the number is in the billions of animal victims. He killed millions of people and He killed billions of animals in the Bible and often for silly, trivial reasons such as David taking a census, for touching or peeking inside the Ark of the Covenant, and for merely complaining. The slightest mistake is an execuse to inflict gruesome torture and killing. Let me go on to another blog.


anonymous 2 years ago

The Bible God is a moral monstrosity and perversion and hypocrite who cannot keep His own commandment "thou shalt not kill." This God CANNOT see sin in His own behavior. He cannot see sin in His monstrous, cruel, inhumane punishments and He cannot see sin in His cruelty and negligence and He cannot see sin in the evil and suffering He ALLOWS. Look up or google the movie: God on Trial, which is about Jewish prisoners in the Holocaust. They discovered that God is not good but remote, aloof, disconnected, cruel, careless, negligent, silent, absent. The teaching of hell or eternal punishment as described by Mary Baxter, Bill Wiese, and David J. Stewart is monstrous, sick, sadistic, fiendish, diabolical, malevolent inhuman cruelty, evil, and horror worse than any horror movie. Fire, worms, a sewer like stench, suffocation or inability to breathe, and being mutilated and sliced by demons forever are among the tortures. Look up or google Buried alive by David J. Stewart of Jesus is Savior ministries. According to this sick demented idiot, victims in hell will be buried alive inside a claustrophobic, coffin like environment as they burn in fire at the same time. What's worse than being buried alive inside a coffin? Its being buried alive FOREVER in hell while being burned by fire at the same time. I suffer from claustrophobia and taphophobia. This monstrous God is going to torture people forever by burying them alive and burning them at the same time inside a claustrophobic, coffin like, furnace like environment. Eternal burial alive, eternal claustrophobia, eternal suffocation, eternal burning. This is no longer just punishment for sin. This is CRIMINAL CRUELTY AND SADISM ON STEROIDS. I cannot imagine a God being any more evil than this. Absolutely monstrous. Unimaginable horror. Where is the God of love and mercy? Theres not a trace of Him here. Yes people need to be punished for their sins and evil but there are more merciful, humane, intelligent, and constructive ways to punish than this which are open to God. As evil as humans are, a lot of what we call evil and sin is Natural or Nature is to blame and our environment is to blame. So this God is going to throw people in hell for being what NATURE made us to be and for being what our ENVIRONMENT has made us to be. Why allow Adam and Eve's sin to spread to all future unborn humans? Its unfair, insane, immoral, cruel, and stupid.


anonymous 2 years ago

The more I look at the Bible God's behavior the more angry and disgusted I get. This God CAUSED the Fall or Original Sin of Adam and Eve. Don't eat the fruit is analogous to purposefully leaving slippery grease on the ground and then saying don't slip on the grease. God was irresponsible and negligent. He allowed evil and danger to enter the Garden of Eden in the form of a talking, tempting snake and a lurking Satan. This is like leaving ones kids alone with a pedophile or its like leaving the kids alone with a loaded gun. And God doesn't bother telling them in His initial warning about the entire creation being in danger of being ruined if they ate the forbidden fruit. Theres not a word about sin, diseases, violence, crimes, wars, genocides, venoms, poisons, parasites, starvation, loneliness, hurricanes, tsunamis and theres not a word of warning about a hell for the next life in God's initial warning. He not only curses and punishes Adam and Eve but also ALL their future unborn descendants with sin, suffering, and death and He curses and punishes the animal kingdom with suffering and death. Does this make sense? Any person with brain cells can see how unfair, unreasoning, insane, stupid, and cruel this is. Us humans are expected to forgive our enemies seventy times seven but God cant do the same. He refuses to forgive Adam and Eve and went right ahead with punishing, cursing, and ruining the ENTIRE creation for the sin of two people. Unfuckingbelievable. Its disgusting, despicable, perverted. Its an obscenity. We worship a nasty, cruel, unreasoning monster. And who is going to hell? According to Fundamentalist Christians, the majority of humans for one reason or another. I know Im going to hell. If God hates human sin so much then He would not be allowing it ad nauseam ad infinitum. If Satan and demons are behind the world's evil, sin, and suffering then WHY is God allowing these evil entities to tamper, corrupt, ruin, and torment His creation? And why is God taking out His anger and wrath on people and animals when the cause of evil are Satan and demons? If something is evil, bad, or defective, then why not fix it or why not heal it? As I said before many times, human nature isn't going to heal by itself. God has to heal it. Enough with free will. Why cant God change our hearts and change our minds as we sleep? Is that too damn much to ask? Apparently yes. And Nature's cruelties and defects isn't going to heal by itself. God has to heal it. He has failed to heal and continues to fail. This God has no intelligent, constructive solution to offer us and has no merciful, humane solution to offer us and allows us to remain in our sins, defects, and failures, and allows Satan and demons to corrupt and torment His creation, and allows us to suffer and die by one horrible means or another. This is not love. This is not goodness. This is not mercifulness. This is not morality. Cruelty, carelessness, negligence, insanity, gross stupidity, incompetence, and destructiveness are His ways. He knows no better. He doesn't know how to heal His creation. Its a God who has shown more cruelty and who has caused and created more suffering to His creation all because two primitive humans ate a forbidden fruit which He orchestrated for them to eat. God set up His creation to fail. He helped cause the Original Sin of Adam and Eve. He paved the way for it to happen. As I said many times before, the Bible is vague, ambiguous, unclear, and full of contradictions. The end results of Christianity are centuries of mass disagreement, mass division, mass contradiction, mass confusion. Let me go on to another blog.


anonymous 2 years ago

There are numerous religions to choose and confuse and numerous different versions of Christianity to choose and confuse. What a sloppy communicator this God is. Or God is confused and He keeps changing His mind. Numerous different Christian churches, denominations, sects, and preachers with each one yelling something different and with each one claiming that only they are right and every one else is wrong, and we don't know whose team this God is on. "My faith is the only true faith," shouts the typical Christian. But they all have a different faith with a different interpretation. NO ONE really understands or knows the true meaning of the Bible. The true meaning of the Bible has long been lost with the dead authors who wrote it. For Catholics, all Protestants are heretics who are going to hell and for Protestants its the Catholics who are the heretics on their way to hell. Different Protestants also disagree with eachother. For every Christian church, all other churches are heretics on their way to hell. If Christianity and the Bible is the only true religion, then WHY didn't God make Himself clear? Why wont He communicate with each person and tell us what we are to believe and how we are to live? Why wont He set the record straight and clear up the confusion? That's the least He should do for us. Why remain silent and secret and why allow us to remain in endless suspense and ignorance? Why allow us to endlessly speculate and agonize? Allowing endless mass division and mass confusion is more evil, cruelty, immorality, negligence, insanity, stupidity. So salvation and interpreting the Bible is an eenie meenie minie mo guessing game and if we guess wrong then its hell. Its sick. What kind of God does this?


anonymous 2 years ago

The Bible God is cruel, egomaniacal, narcissstic, selfish, self centered, self focused, tyrannical, irresponsible, negligent, unreasoning prick. He doesn't care a whit how horrible our lives are. He doesn't care about anything except for us to worship Him, keep His comkandments, and believe JEEZUS. And if we fail to put God and JEEZUS first in our lives then its hell. If we fail to correctly interpret the Bible then its hell. If we fail to believe in all the absurdities and stupidities in the Bible then its hell. If we fail to keep all the commandments then its hell. If we fail to get baptized then its hell. If we fail to belong to th true church(if there is such a thing) then its hell. And of course all Muslims, Jews, pagans, agnostics, and atheists are all automatically doomed to hell. That's billions and billions of people, past, present, future, living, dead, and not yet born who will be roasting like charcoals forever and tortured in other unimaginably horrifying, disgusting ways. This is a win for Satan. Fundamentalist Christians worship a cruel, nasty, insane, immoral monster and don't realize it. Its a God as bad or worse than Satan who is supposed to be His enemy. This God is conducting a sick, cruel, immoral experiment and test, and if we faill His experiment then its hell. If we fail His test then its hell. We need to shop for another God because what we have SUCKS. We're told that God showed His love and mercy by sending Jesus to die for us. This may show love and mercy but it also shows insanity and stupidity. Why cant God just forgive? Because this sick God is a bloodthirsty brute who cannot manage His creation in a merciful, humane manner and who cannot manage His creation in an intelligent constructive manner. "Without the shedding of blood there can be no forgiveness of sins?" This God is both a cruel sadist and a masochist and expects us all to suffer snd die like JEEZUS. We're all expected to be religious fanatics, ascetics, masochists, and martyrs like Jesus. So pluck out your eyes, cut off your hands, hate your parents, be penniless and naked, and be a martyr like Jesus. How many people want to live like this? So Christians, are you all plucking out your eyes and cutting off your hands? Are you all living penniless on the streets like Jesus? Its unrealistic, insane, stupid. As scared as I am of going to hell, Im also scared of going to heaven. I don't want to spend eternity with the same monster who created cancer. I don't want to spend eternity with the same monster who is torturing billions of people in hell. Chances are that for each person who is in heaven will have at least one loved one, family member, relative, or friend who is in hell. How can heaven be a place of perfect joy, love, and happiness if this is the case? And how can heaven be a happy place for petlovers if pets wont be there? Religious folks say that those in heaven will have no memory of their earthly loved ones who didn't make it into heaven, or they will remember but just accept it. Well, I don't want to forget them and I cannot just accept that they wont be in hewven with me. I personally prefer to believe in Spiritualism or Theosophy in the Astral planes of existence. Thie is better than the Christian heaven and hell. I don't want heaven and I don't want hell. I don't want to worship a cruel, insane, stupid, unreasoning, unfair, negligent God and Im not interested in Satan. Im not on the right hand path(God) and Im not on the left hand path(Satan). Both God and Satan are cruel, immoral, amoral, insane, selfish. Neither one is fit to worship.There are two kinds of Christians. One kind(the smarter kind and the more humane kind) is able to see the cruelty of the Bible God, and the second kind is unable to see the cruelty. The Bible God has a Jekyll and Hyde personality. Fundamentalists see Doctor Jekyll, but they don't see Mr. Hyde. They don't see the cruel, evil, immoral, amoral, insanity, stupidity, negligence, and incompetence of th God they worship. A clam has more sense than this God. This God is guilty of two of the most serious sins which are cruelty and negligence. Isahaia chapter 45, verse 7 says about God, "I make peace and create evil." (King James Bible) The Bible God sends an evil spirit to torment King Saul. How does an all good God send an evil spirit? God lies in the Bible through His prophets in the Old Testament. Its more than embarrassing. Human nature is such and the world is such that ending up in hell is conducive for billions of people. The world is GEARED AND DESIGNED for billions of people to end up in hell just as a downward slope of a mountain is designed for people to slip and fall off. All except the toughest will slip and fall off. Satan rules this world. A loving God does not.


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Titen-Sxull 2 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Please Anonymous, I know you have a lot to say but please attempt paragraphs. These big blocks of text aren't doing anyone any favors when they want to take you seriously and actually respond.


Lybrah 2 years ago

Anonymous, why don't you sign up for a Hubpages account and write some hubs on this topic? You've probably written 40 of them with all the commenting you've done.


anonymous 2 years ago

Well, yes. Hi folks. Its good old anonymous again.Hubpages has every kind of topic. It would be nice to have my own hubsite but as I said before, I prefer to remain anonymous for safety reasons as its a dangerous world. I don't have an account and I don't have an email and choose not to have one. Im a good writer but a poor typist and I have limited skills on computers. I just enjoy browsing, youtube, and blogging.


anonymous 2 years ago

The Bible God has no common sense, has no reasoning, has no heart, has no morals, has no pity, and has no conscience. He is immoral or amoral. He is mentally blind and morally blind which means He cannot see and cannot comprehend the cruelty, immorality, insanity, the wrong, and stupidity of what He does and what He allows. He is clueless. I have more wisdom and Im more moral, more merciful by far than this pitiful execuse for a God. This God should consult us for moral advice and not the other way around. He did such a sloppy, careless job of designing our bodies. Aneurysm, stroke, heart disease, cancer, tooth decay etc continues to torture and kill both man and beast. Elderly people often piss and crap all over themselves due to the creator's flawed design of the body and brain. Its disgusting, disgraceful. Its criminally embarrassing and embarrassingly cruel. This is the creator's fault and its the creator's sin. How can this God expect us to love and worship Him when He allows us to suffer and die? Cruelty and negligence doesn't deserve my love and doesn't deserve my faith and trust. He DRIVES us to get angry at Him and to rebel against Him with His cruelty, negligence, and incompetence and then He is going to punish us forever in hell for being angry with Him. He CAUSES us to get angry at Him and He is too stupid to see it. Its a moronic, imbecilic, idiotic God who cannot see what even a blind man can see. Or maybe He does see and does understand and allows us to suffer and die out of spite or malice or because He is testing our faith? Or He continues to punish us and neglect us for Adam and Eve's sin which as I stated many times before is unfair, asinine, stupid, and cruel. This God needs serious psychiatric help. This immature, petty, childish, cruel God needs to grow up for a change. He cannot manage His creation in a merciful, humane manner and He cannot manage His creation in an intelligent, constructive manner. He doesn't know how to be caring, He doesn't know how to be kind, He doesn't know how to be merciful and humane, He doesn't know how to help, He doesn't know how to heal. He's such a failure and screwup He cant even or wont even communicate with us humans in a clear manner. Its EMBARRASSING. Its a pitiful, embarrassing execuse for a God who is unfit to worship and unfit to judge us. I cannot love this monstrous God. Somewhere in the Old Testament God is described as having smoke and fire coming out of His nostrils. Ouch! Is this really God that's being described? It sounds like some evil monster or a Dragon. This God inspires fear, not love. When this God intervenes, He behaves like a cruel monster, or He chooses to be hidden, silent, and absent. Either way, its disgraceful behavior for a God.


anonymous 2 years ago

Does God really want to save everyone? As is so often the case, the Bible has contrwdictory statements to this question. There are more contradictions throuthout the entire Bible than I have channels to view on my television. Look up or google Bible contradictions on the Internet. On one hand God wants to save all but on the other hand, theres a passage in the New Testament somewhere that says that Jesus speaks in parables so that people wont understand. Well if people don't understand then that means they will be sent to hell. Its sick. The Calvinist God certainly doesn't care about saving everyone. The Calvinist God is unimaginably evil, cruel, twisted, sick, perverted, and is scarcely distinguishable from Satan who is supposed to be His enemy. The Calvinist God is the worst form of Monism and the worst form of Fundamentalism and is a monstrosity and perversion.

All these different versions of Christianity to choose and confuse, and if we choose wrong, then its hell. Is this fair? This is like trying to rescue victims inside a burning house. Now the rescuer only has a few minutes to get inside the house without having to break doors and windows. Suppose the rescuer is given 30 different sets of keys and they all look more or less similar to eachother. If he is lucky enough and fast enough he will find the right key and open the door and save the victims before its too late. If he is not lucky and not fast enough to find the right key and open the door then its too late to save the victims. This is the situation God has left us in. He allows numerous conflicting versions of Christianity to choose and confuse and if we are lucky within our human lifespan of anything from 1 to 100 years old and choose the correct version of Christianity, then we are saved. If we choose wrongly then its hell. What of those persons who die very young as children or infants or babies and are too young to choose and don't have enough time to choose the correct version of Christianity? Then they go to hell, say the Fundamentalists. Its sick.

What about severely mentally retarded people who don't understand the Bible and what about those people who live in remote jungles and who haven't heard of Jesus? They go to hell, say the Fundamentalists. What about all those people who are Jews, Muslims, and pagans and who were born and raised in these other religions and who are set in their ways? All these other religions think that THEIR religion is the correct one. Fundamentalist Christians say they will all go to hell. Too damn bad. Christianity is one of the most intolerant, unreasoning, cliquish, exclusive, and cruel religion. Christianity wants everyone to be a Christian and anyone who isn't or who doesn't want to is automatically doomed to hell.There is no middle ground with Christianity. Its either worship God, keep His commandments and accept Jesus as savior, or go to hell. Its either heaven or hell, Jesus or Satan. There is no third choice, there are no alternatives. Its a dead end religion.

It doesn't seem like this God is interested in saving everyone. Allowing all this disagreement, division, and confusion for centuries suggests to me that this is a cruel, careless, sloppy, negligent, incompetent God. The Bible is a contradictory, convoluted, confounding, comfusing mess. Different Christians will say that you have to let the Holy Spirit guide you when reading the Bible to understand it. What is that supposed to mean? This is meaningless baloney and I'll tell you why. Take two different Christians and each one claims that they have correctly interpreted the Bible through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Well then, they should totally agree with eachother, right? It turns out that they disagree and contradict eachother. So either one of them is wrong, or they are both wrong. Anyone can interpret anything from the Bible. You can make the Bible say almost anything you want, from UFOs and space aliens in and half human, half demonic giants, to literal seven headed, ten horned monsters in Revelation. As I said many times before, the Bible is vague, ambiguous, unclear, cryptic, and FULL of contradictions. The soul that sinneth shall die says the Bible in one verse, and then we have other verses describing a fiery torture chamber for sinners. So which is it for sinners? Eternal death, or eternal torture in hell? The Bible is saying two different things. No wonder people continue arguing with eachother over the meaning of the Bible. We're not going to get any straight answers nor any straight information from the Bible. Forget it. And if we fail to interpret the Bible correctly then its hell. This is sick and perverted. If God wanted to save everyone then He would make His message clear. Instead we have the muddled, contradictory, confusing, vague mess of absurdities which is the Bible which is supposed to save us. Why wont God individually communicate with each person in their dreams or as we sleep and explain to us in a clear manner what the truth is? Is that too much to ask? Apparently yes. This God chooses to remain silent, secret, hidden, withdrawn, remote, aloof, disconnected, detached. He allows endless division and confusion, He allows Satan and demons to corrupt and ruin His creation, and He allows us to suffer and die by one horrible means or another, and He doesn't even have the courtesy to explain to us why.And we're to love Him and worship Him. He's a cruel, careless, negligent, incompetent dunce and absentee landlord.


Nik 2 years ago

I had to laugh at your Hollywood version of WWII. Also Hitler's view of God are pre-Christian, read Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin by Eckart and Hitler to understand where he came from.


Moral Man 23 months ago

I don't think theres enough and enough energy for me to express my anger and disgust with this Bible God and with the screwed up world He created. If God created everything and everyone then He is to blame for cancer, centipedes, screw worm flies, mosquitoes, malaria, ebola, hurricanes, tsunamis, overpopulation, serial killers, Hitler, Satan and demons. This God is at least partly to blame for human evil and sin which He supposedly hates so much. I don't want to hear about free will and Adam and Eve's sin. Corrupting, ruining human nature and cursing, punishing, trashing, and ruining the whole creation for the sin of two people? Does this make sense? How does one even interpret this confounding, fucked up story of Adam and Eve? Literal? Metaphorical? The Bible doesn't stop to explain itself and leaves it up to the reader to figure it out. No one has figured it out, and no one ever will.

I face a horrible dilemma and I feel Im stuck between a rock and a hard place. If this Fundie Christian God is real then Im screwed to burn forever like charcoals and


Moral Man 23 months ago

I got cut off by the computer again. The dilemma I face is either love and worship this cruel, insane, stupid, unkind, uncaring, unreasoning, unfair, egomaniacal, narcicisstic God, or be physically tortured forever in hell. So I have to decide. Do I spend eternity being physically tortured forever in hell, or do I spend eternity with the same monster who is doing the torturing? This belief in hell is going to drive me into a lunatic hospital. Im living in fear and losing my sleep. I cant sleep at nights and have to take naps during the daytime. Horrific nightmares torment me for years. And its all because Adam and Eve ate a forbidden apple. Its a God who has shown more cruelty and who has caused and created more suffering to His creation all because two ancient humans ate a forbidden fruit which He orchestrated for them to eat. He helped cause the sin of Adam and Eve in the first place. What a jerkass God we have. Its a pitiful execuse for a God. This God has no common sense, has no reasoning, no pity, no mercy, no heart, no morals, and no conscience. Immoral. Amoral. INSANE. Stupid. Irresponsible. Its criminally embarrassing, and embarrassingly criminal. What a lost cause is this world. This world is screwed up beyond repair and beyond hope. The Devil has won. I live in endless fear of what may happen after I die. The world is a horror movie ruled by the Devil and not by a loving God.


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Say Yes To Life 23 months ago from Big Island of Hawaii

Moral Man - with over 9000 religions on Earth, you have ONLY 2 choices? Why limit yourself?


Moral Man 23 months ago

Its not me who limits myself but its Christianity which firmly believes its the only true religion and that all other religions are lies and deceptions by Satan which lead to hell. Either worship the Bible God and accept Jesus, or its hell. Im being threatened with eternal torture.


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Titen-Sxull 23 months ago from back in the lab again Author

Well Moral Man Christianity is wrong, like obviously wrong, so don't sweat it you have nothing to fear from the boogeyman of the Bible.


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Say Yes To Life 23 months ago from Big Island of Hawaii

Moral Man - do any other religions make the same claim? If so, by accepting Christianity, you're going to their version of hell. It sounds like you're there already.

How about dumping the whole scenario and escaping???


Moral Man 23 months ago

I know that other religions have their version of hell and the Moslem God is very much like the Bible God in being cruel, spiteful, sadistic, egomaniacal, narcicisstic, mentally sick, morally sick. The Jewish God of the Bible's Old Testament inflicts tortures in this earthly life only. Im not aware of an afterlife or a hell in Judaism. At least some of the Jews are smart enough and honest enough to admit that the Bible God is a cruel, spiteful, tyrannical, selfish, violent, sadistic, vindictive, egomaniacal, narcicisstic bastard who created us humans primarily for us to worship Him and not for our welfare and not for our happiness. As cruel and as horrible as the Old Testament God is, at least He restricts His cruel, inhumane punishments for this earthly life only and doesn't torture us forever in the next life. The New Testament God threatens to torture billions of people FOREVER in the next life which is scarier and worse. Theres a difference and theres a line between just punishment for sin and monstrous, sadistic, inhuman cruelty and torture, and this God doesn't know the difference and crosses this line. When it comes to cruelty the Bible God is an overachiever. When it comes to caring and kindness, He is an utter failure.

I cannot be so sure that this cruel, monstrous, insane God which Christian Fundies worship isn't real. I just don't know what or who to believe. I cannot be sure the atheists are right. Im starting to wish the atheists are right because its better to have no God at all than an evil God, and its better to have no God at all than a stupid God, and its better to have no God at all than an insane God, and its better to have no God at all than an incompetent God, dunce, screwup, deadbeat, and absentee landlord who created this screwed up world and who allows it to remain screwed up. Does this world filled with all manner of evil, cruelty, and horror look like its the work of an omni benovolent, omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect, loving, caring, merciful, rational, sane, sovereign creator God? An honest answer is no. Theres no way, no fathomable way He can be all these wonderful things at the same time when the world and all history is a horror movie and miserable sack of crap. The world would not be the hellhole that it is if God were really all the wonderful things religion claims He is. Traditional theism does not square and does not jive with reality.

Theres a school of thought which says that Jesus Christ never existed historically. Here's what I believe, although I admit I could be wrong. Just as Santa Claus and Dracula are both fictional characters based on real, historical people, so too Jesus Christ is based on a real historical person. In the case of Santa Claus, he is based on Saint Nicholas of Lycia who lived in 300 Ad or 400 AD. Now Saint Nicholas was a kind, giving man in his lifetime but myths, fairytales, and fiction have been added about him. Obviously, Saint Nicholas did not have flying reindeer and sleigh and did not come down chimneys to every household in a single night delivering gifts, and didnt live at the North Pole. Thats just childish garbage. In the case of Dracula, he was loosely based on Vlad the Impaler of Romania during the Middle Ages. Vlad wasnt a vampire who sucks blood and who could shapeshift into a bat. No the real historical person behind Dracula was a cruel, sadistic, bloodthirsty, homicidal, genocidal prick who tortured and killed people for his sick pleasure. By the same token, Jesus Christ may have been real but outside the Gospels, theres not much of anything that can be known about him. We dont really know what this Jesus guy really said and did. Things like walking on water, raising the dead, rising bodily from the grave, and ascending into heaven are all unproven. Is Jesus really the son of God and the only way to heaven? I dont know. The Gospels, as I have discovered, werent eyewitness accounts of Jesus but were written years after his death, so how accurate could it really be? We are really limited and handicapped in what we can know about Jesus and anything else before Jesus. This is before TV, before audiotape, before photography, before electricity, before the printing press. We have way better and way more reliable information about C.S. Lewis, Sigmund Freud, and Mark Twain than Jesus as these men all lived when photography was developed and when typewriters were invented. My point is, the further back in time you go, the more mysterious, the more uncertain, and the more unknowable things become.

Here's whats been happening to me since April 2004. As I have written on other sites, I have been tormented by nightmares since late 1990 and I have been hearing voices on and off when I sleep. Clairaudience is hearing voices not using the external ears and I guess is some form of telepathy. Anyway, some of these voices, or all of them?, have been Satanic in nature and motivation. In 2005, on one occasion while sleeping, I heard a group of voices say,"You belong to Satan." On another occasion in 2005, while sleeping, I heard a single male voice say the name Anton Lavey and the year 1960. For those of you who dont know, Anton Lavey started a Satanic church in San Francisco in 1966 and published his Satanic Bible in 1969. I dont know what significance the year 1960 means. It seems to me that this was an older person who was a friend or fan of Anton Lavey. Was this voice from someone still living or someone who died? Or was this a demon talking to me? In May 2014, while sleeping, I see the word Saturn in English and some other writing which I dont understand. I discovered that Saturn is another name out of many names for Satan. A few weeks ago, in December 2014, while sleeping, I hear a single male voice. First it tried to win me over to the dark side by flattery by saying, "You're brilliant. We can use you. Let me enter you. Deep down inside, you want us." Obviously the voice was Satanic trying to convert me and in my fear and anger I cursed at the voice and insulted it. This made it angry and what it said next is chilling, "Just wait until you die." This scared the shit out of me. Now its threatening me. What does it mean? Wha is he going to do to me after I die? Sene me to hell to torture me? If I listened to him(which I will NEVER do) I would end up in hell ANYWAY. Being a Satanist is a direct one way ticket to hell, so who is he trying to fool with his threat?

And now just last night I had another horrific nightmare which I really believe is Satanic/demonic. I can tell if a nightmare is Satanic/demonic or not. I saw the faces of people blurred, I feel myself being mentally and physically assaulted, I see dark shadows(Shadow people) all around me, and as I struggle to wake up and struggle to scream and struggle to move, I wake up and now I see my blanket move up and down. Am I hallucinating now? Is this a poltergeist? Is this my mind playing tricks on me, or is it really supernatural? Are Satan and demons really out to get me? I dont want to be a part of this sick game between God and Satan. Im not Job. Im not a pawn of either God nor Satan. I feel BOTH God and Satan are jerkasses, and both are evil, cruel, selfish, insane, immoral, amoral, egomaniacal, narcicisstic pricks. Both of them want our worship and neither one is fit to worship, and neither one is fit to judge us. Im not on anyone's side. We have a cruel, insane God on one hand, and a cruel, insane angel on the other hand, and I feel Im caught in the middle of their feud. Well I dont want to be part of their stupid, cruel, insane, immoral feud. I want them both to leave me alone. They're both jerkasses.

Here are some movies and books to give you an idea of what Im going through. Watch the 2005 movie, "Left in Darkness," the novels "The Exorcist" and "Legion," by author William Peter Blatty, and all five Exorcist movies. "Exorcist 3-Legion" is the one movie which comes the closest to the mental torment Im going through and asks the hard questions such as," Would a loving all good God allow serial killers and decapitations, cancer, and death?"


Moral Man 23 months ago

The reader is free to browse on other hubsites I write for such as "The Christian God is the single worst entity," by Thunkful thinker, Sanctus Vesania, "Dangers of Astral Projection/hubpages, Kitaine/ hubpages, Slarty O Brian, Lybra, Sword of Manticore, Bill's Place, Nell Rose.

The 1974 movie, "Beyond the Door", also known as "The Devil Within Her" and "Chi Sei?" is about actor Richard Johnson conducting a Satanic ritual near the start of the movie with his mistress, played by actress Juliet Mills. Both of them will suffer for this as the movie shows later. Richard Johnson becomes suspended in time for the next 10 years and is told by the Devil in a voiceover that he must deliver the baby from a pregnant Juliet Mills. Juliet Mills lives in San Francisco with her family, a husband, and two kids, a boy and girl. Miss Mills exhibits demonic possession, as she levitates out of her bed, curses, spits, and talks in a monster voice, and she throws her husband around the room by telekinesis. In another scene the two kids are terrorized alone in their room as the dolls and toys start moving on their own and a monstrous voice laughs. When Richard Johnson finally delivers the baby from the woman who he dated years ago, the demonic voice tells him its just a joke all along and that he is going to die anyway. After having been suspended in time for the last 10 years, Richard Johnson drives his car down a cliff into San Francisco Bay to his death and damnation. The baby is born stillborn and dead. Next we see the family on a ferry after this horrific ordeal. The final scene shows the little boy's eyes start to glow. The little boy is now possessed, the horror starting anew. The movie is a combination of Rosemary's Baby and The Exorcist. Beyond the Door illustrates that the Devil and demons are real and there are consequences in dabbling with Satanic rituals. There is a sense of utter helplessness and hopelessness in this movie and Satan and demons are shown to be stronger than God. As in real life, God is silent, remote, weak, uncaring, or absent in this movie. This movie illustrates that Satan and demons are ruling the world and not a loving God, and it shows how vulnerable, powerless, and helpless us humans are against these evil entities. A remake to Beyond the Door has been made, 40 years later. As in real life, the Devil wins in the end in Beyond the Door. I think this movie and other movies like it, such as The Devil's Rain, and The Exorcist, are more than just fiction and entertainment. Read author Michael Cuneo's book, American Exorcism, and Hostage to the Devil by Malachi Martin. My point is this; if Satanic or demonic entities, or evil spirits really do exist, and I myself may have conversed with them in my sleep since 2004, then maybe God too is real. Neither believers of the supernatural and neither have the unbelievers have won in their arguments. There is no definite proof one way or the other.


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Say Yes To Life 23 months ago from Big Island of Hawaii

Moral Man - as I stated on the "Christian God is Horrible" hub, I believe you need medical attention. These are not the experiences of the average person; you should not be hallucinating like this. It sounds to me like schizophrenia. A human being doctor can help you do away with these demons with proper medication. Please do not suffer like this any longer! They are caused by a chemical imbalance, not a Cosmic Hitler!


Moral Man 23 months ago

Well, here's the situation. As I sated elsewhere, mental illness, OCD, depression, and incompetence/dysfunctionality runs in my family, as well as heart disease and stroke. I have an older cousin in another country who is schizophrenic and who does nothing but smoke and daydream all day. He is untreatable even with medicine and his chain smoking is going to ruin his health and ruin the health of his family. Both his parents have died and now he lives alone with his brother who supports. As for myself, I have been seeing therapists continuously since 1990(for the last 24 years) and have been on 7 different medications since 1991 for depression, OCD, and chemical imbalance. Both the medicine and therapy has limited power to help. On a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a 2 for effectiveness. Even if I am schizophrenic, as you say, doesnt mean that these experiences Im having are invalid. My therapists dont believe in the supernatural. They say its just my mind playing tricks on me. These voices I hear have always been occuring when I sleep since April 2004. A few of them seemed friendly, but a larger number of them seemed evil, Satanic, demonic. Even normal people can have strange experiences and not just mentally ill people like me. As for hallucinating, everything I have seen have been during sleep, so was I really hallucinating? On two separate occasions I have seen my blanket move up and down. Here's the question, was I still in the sleep stage when I saw this or was I awake when I saw this? Sometimes it can be difficult to tell the dreaming state to the waking state. If I was awake when I saw the blanket move, then either 1) I was hallucinating or 2) it was a poltergeist, or 3) spirit beings moved the blanket, be they fairies or demons. What else could it be? I cant think of any other cause. Im not one who hallucinates while he is awake, but during sleep, anything is possible. I have had such bizarre and such horrifying nightmares of such intensity it defies description. I have also had lucid dreams where Im aware Im dreaming and out of the body experiences where I feel myself floating above my bed and floating around the house and floating around the neighborhood. See the hubsite;Dangers of Astral Projection/hubpages. Christian Fundies say that out of body experiences are Satanic or demonic deception. Maybe some of them are, but not all of them. Anyway Im tired now. I'll write later. Tune in to the hubsites Christian God is worst entity by Thunkful Thinker and Hearing Voices/Velvetine/hubpages where I talk about this in detail as well as on this site. Wouldnt demons and Satan be interested in all types of people, including schizophrenics and the mentally ill? Maybe because Im mentally troubled and mentally tormented the reasons why demonic/Satanic entities are targeting me? Just because Im mentally ill doesnt mean that demonic and Satanic entities arent really harassing me. Normal people can also be targeted and harassed by Satan and demons. It seems to me that during sleep and during an out of body experience there is better reception between this world and other dimensions. I think beings from another dimension are communicating with me during the sleep stage because the line between the natural and supernatural gets thinner during the sleep stage and its easier for supernatural beings to communicate.


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Titen-Sxull 23 months ago from back in the lab again Author

I have to agree with Say Yes To Life. I have seen and personally known people with mental illness who believe they are possessed and/or have experienced Gods. Usually medication does help although it can be hard to find the right medication and dosage to reach normalcy. These experiences are not dangerous and do not reflect reality in any sense.

Continue seeking medical help and also please understand that these supernatural forces are not real. Do not allow fear-mongers and credulous fools here on the internet frighten you or convince you of anything evil or ridiculous. If such things were real and could actually hurt you we would see examples of that all the time, it would be listed as the cause of death in medical reports, yet we do not see things like "demonic possession" or "haunting" or "alien abduction" or anything like that because these things are not dangerous.

Good luck.


Moral Man 23 months ago

The Bible God has no reasoning. He expects us to suffer and die and expects us to somehow correctly guess which is the true church, and if we guess wrong then its hell. So salvation, choosing the true church, and interpreting the Bible becomes an eenie meenie minie mo guessing game. Its perverted and sick. He just folds His hands and allows all this human sin and evil which He supposedly hates so much. He allows Satan and demons to tamper with, corrupt, torment, and ruin His creation. Its immoral and insane. This God is blaming us for Adam and Eve's sin and is blaming us for Satan's sins. Its sick. He is taking out His anger and wrath on people and animals for the sins of Satan who He created and who He stupidly allows all this freedom.

As I said before, I think this God is mentally blind and morally blind, and I believe He has a mental short circuit. No matter how much we pray to Him or complain to Him, the message just doesnt seem to sink in. Its just not registering.

This God's love includes suffering and death. Execuse me, Christards, thats not my definition of love. Cruelty and negligence is not love. Not in my book. As for morals and mercifulness, this God has no concept of these virtues and is devoid of both. I dont think theres anything worse than a God, or being, or person who has no reasoning, no common sense, no pity, no heart, no mercy, no morals, and no conscience. Cruelty, carelessness, negligence, unreasonableness, unfairness, irrationality, insanity, stupidity, incompetence, failure to communicate in a clear manner, irresponsibleness, remoteness, aloofness, disconnectedness, dereliction of duty, silence, absence. If people become agnostics and atheists or turn to pagan religions or turn to Satanism, then this God is at least partly to blame. He drives people to these things. He ALLOWS the conditions for us humans to reject Him or to rebel against Him. He's an absentee landlord.

The corruption and ruination of the creation from diseases, mass starvation, centipedes, stonefish, hurricanes, heart disease, migraine headache, rabies, tooth decay, cancer, malaria, ebola, serial killers, pollution, extinctions, road rage and bloody carnage on roads and highways, genocides, loneliness, depression, mental illness, alienation, and mass division and mass confusion over religion all illustrate that the Devil and evil are ruling this world and not a loving God. All this evil is the work of the Devil.


Moral Man 23 months ago

For the interested reader I providea list of subjects in books, magazines, essays, and Internet sites on various subjects. These are some books of interest- God and Evil, by H.J. Mccloskey; Evolution and the Problem of Evil, by Cornelius Hunter; The Birth of Satan; The Devil-perceptions of evil from antiquity to primitive Christianity, by Jeffrey Burton Russell; Fate magazine; Fortean Times magazine.

The following titles and subjects can be found on the Internet or on google. 1)What bugged the Dinosaurs? 2) Paleopathology, the study of ancient suffering in prehistoric times. 3) Millions of years of suffering, death, and extinctions. 4) Satan and the origin of evil 5) Did Satan create Centipedes? 6) Did God or Satan create centipedes, scorpions, brown recluse spiders? 7) Did demons create venomous animal pests? 8) Most painful venoms known to man which cause screaming and writhing in agony. Orange Baboon Tarantula has bite more painful than childbirth, Stonefish sting causes victims to scream and rave in agony. Would a loving God create such horrors? 8) Did God, or did Satan, or did demons create cancer, ebola, malaria? 9)Did God, Satan, or demons create hurricanes, tsunamis, intense cold, intense heat?10)Who is to blame for human evil and sin-God or Satan or demons? 11)Is Satan an Anunnaki alien also known as Enki?12) Are near death experiences hallucinations, or are they real, or are they Satanic/demonic deception?13) Who is the real Devil? Malek-taus, Set, Kukulkan, Baal, Beelzebub, Moloch, Angra-mainyu/Ahriman, Poseidon, Shiva, Kali, Typhon, Apollyon, Iblis, Ea, Enki, Horus, Marduk, Mastema, Lucifer, Baphomet, Saturn, and Satan. Are all these entities real? Are all these entities separate beings? Are all these names for one and the same being.

I have found that the name Yahweh is translated as God of calamity and ruin, among other things. The Gnostics say Yahweh is a flawed, insane, incompetent being who made this screwed up world, and is not the true God. Yahweh is the Demiurge, who is a flawed being, and the flaws in creation reflect His own flaws.

Ialdabaoth is another name for Yahweh. Ialdabaoth is a vain being who claims that only he is God. Ialdabaoth was created by a feminine principle known as Sophia. I dont know what to make of this.

See the hubsite, Christian God is worst entity by Thunkful Thinker for more details. I wish there was a way where we could all learn what the objective truth really is without relying on priests nor clergy nor scientists, all of whom could be wrong. Theres still alot we dont know.


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Say Yes To Life 23 months ago from Big Island of Hawaii

Moral Man – frankly, I do not wish to know any of it, especially since it’s all bullshit. You are not helping your medical condition in the slightest, by dwelling on this subject. Please read some books by James Willard Schultz, who lived among the Blackfoot Native Americans in the latter part of the 19th century. He was an agnostic; apparently, that served him well. Also, check out Laura Ingalls Wilder of “Little House on the Prairie”. Her family were Christians; the way they practiced their religion, apparently that served them well, too. They were too busy struggling to survive to dwell on bullshit. Either way, check out these examples of living. They didn’t have your challenges, but you don’t have theirs, either.


Moral Man 23 months ago

Thats too bad. You're the one who said your studying world religions, and here you say you arent interested. I wouldnt call wanting to know about the world's mysteries bullshit. I think what I listed are all interesting subjects, albeit some very depressing ones. You mean to tell me you're not interested in knowing about the origin of evil and suffering, which is the most disturbing of all mysteries? Our very lives are affected by this mystery. Theres alot we dont know, but theres one thing we can know by just looking around us and by looking at history, and that is that the Devil and evil rules the world and not a loving God. Ive said enough here.


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Joseph O Polanco 19 months ago

Would a sadistic warmongering god ever extend mercy? Yet, when the people of one particular Canaanite city , Gibeon , sought mercy , Jehovah extended it . ( Joshua 9 :3-27 ) Could a bloodthirsty war god have done so ? Of course no , yet a God who delights in peace and justice would certainly .—Psalm 33 :5 ; 37 :28 .

Over and over again , the Bible connects God’s blessing with tranquility because Jehovah is a lover of peace , not war . ( Numbers 6 :24-26 ; Psalm 29 :11 ; 147 :12-14 ) Due to this fact , when King David hoped to erect a holy space of worship to Jehovah , God explained to him : “You will not build a house for my name, for you have shed a great deal of blood on the earth before me .”—1 Chronicles 22 :8 ; Acts 13 :22 .

While on earth , the Greater David , Jesus Christ , referred to an era when God’s love of justice would cease to permit him to stomach the modern-day ungodliness we observe the world over . ( Matthew 24 :3 , 36-39 ) As he did with the Flood of Noah’s time as well as in the devastation of Sodom and Gomorrah , Jehovah God Almighty will very soon take judicial measures to scour the world of narcissistic , ungodly individuals , thereby paving the path for tranquil conditions to exist under his heavenly Kingdom rule .—Psalm 37 :10 , 11 , 29 ; Daniel 2 :44 .

Now, even though the Bible recounts Jehovah God’s past adverse judgments frankly, you need to keep in mind that such were invariably against ungodly individuals and in defense of the innocent . After all, “Minatur innocentibus qui parcit nocentibus.”

By way of example , it was not until the entire world of Noah’s time finally became “filled with violence” that Jehovah declared : “As for me, I am going to bring floodwaters upon the earth to destroy from under the heavens all flesh that has the breath of life .” ( Genesis 6 :11 , 17 ) Surrounding another judgment , it absolutely was only as a result of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah had “abandoned themselves to sexual immorality and were bent on perverted sensuality” that God caused it to “rain sulfur and fire .”—Jude 7 , The New Berkeley Version ; Genesis 19 :24 .

Did God relish bringing all flesh to ruin in Noah’s day ? Or did he derive some fiendish pleasure from destroying the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah ? For an answer , let us look at the events surrounding the Flood of Noah’s day . The Holy Scriptures inform us that it devastated God that “every inclination of the thoughts of [man’s] heart was only bad all the time .” Their maleficence ' saddened his heart. ' Nonetheless , God dispatched Noah , “a preacher of righteousness ,” to sound a monition as well as to construct an ark for the preservation of the godly .—Genesis 6 :3-18 ; 2 Peter 2 :5 . ( Bracket mine ) So you see, undesirable judgments from God Almighty have at all times resulted only because evil men and/or women adamantly refuse to forbear their depravity and evildoing , not because Jehovah delights in doing away with individuals . Now you might ask yourself , ‘Did not Jehovah spur the Israelites to battle with various other nations and obliterate these ?’

The Amalekites , just to illustrate , were “the first one of the nations” to launch an unprovoked assault on the Israelites after the Exodus , at Rephidim in the vicinity of Mount Sinai . For this reason , Jehovah decreed absolute annihilation for the Amalekites . ( Nu 24 :20 ; Ex 17 :8-16 ; De 25 :17-19 ) Twice in the course of the period of the Judges these acrimonious foes of Israel shared in attacking Israel . They did it in the times of Eglon king of Moab . ( Jg 3 :12 , 13 ) Yet again , with the Midianites together with Easterners , they ransacked the territory of Israel seven years before Gideon together with his 300 men dealt them a great defeat .—Jg 6 :1-3 , 33 ; 7 :12 ; 10 :12 . As a result of their unrelenting violence , in the period of the kings Jehovah ‘called to account’ the Amalekites , instructing King Saul to strike them down , which he actually did “from Havilah as far as Shur , which is in front of Egypt .” ( 1Sa 15 :2-33 )

Meanwhile , demon worship , child sacrifice , sadistic violence , together with a range of disgusting sex worship were the order of the day with the Canaanites . Being a God of justice , Jehovah would not make it possible for these types of sickening practices to thwart the tranquility and safety of godly human beings , in particular Israel . ( Deuteronomy 5 :9 ) To illustrate , imagine if the neighborhood where you reside was without a legitimate police force or militia to apply the laws and regulations of the land—would that not give rise to sheer bedlam and violent rioting of the worst kind ? Equally , Jehovah was required to take action against the Canaanites owing to their licentiousness as well as the legitimate peril they presented to pure worship . For this reason , he decreed : “the land is unclean, and I will bring punishment on it for its error, and the land will vomit its inhabitants out.”—Leviticus 18 :25 . “ It is because of the wickedness of these nations that Jehovah is driving them away from before you” , he conveyed to the Israelites at Deuteronomy 9 :4-6 , “It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going in to take possession of their land .”

Divine justice was undertaken every time God’s executional forces—the Israelite armies—destroyed the Canaanites . That God decided to make use of human beings to execute this judgment , in lieu of fire or flood , could not lessen the verdict . Consequently , when warring with the nations of Canaan , the Israelite legions were mandated : "In the cities of these peoples, which Jehovah your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not allow any breathing thing to live. Instead, you should devote them completely to destruction, the Hit′tites, the Am′or·ites, the Ca′naan·ites, the Per′iz·zites, the Hi′vites, and the Jeb′u·sites, just as Jehovah your God has commanded you; so that they may not teach you to follow all their detestable practices that they have done for their gods, causing you to sin against Jehovah your God." —Deuteronomy 20 :16-18 .

As opposed to Ares , Otrera , Keres , Enyo or Eris , among others , Jehovah God is a respecter of life . Accordingly , He would not endorse indiscriminate slaying . Deuteronomy 20 :10 and 11 instructed the ancient Israelites , ““If you approach a city to fight against it, you should also announce to it terms of peace. If it gives a peaceful answer to you and opens up to you, all the people found there will become yours for forced labor, and they will serve you."

Even though Israelite troops were permitted to marry captives they had to attend to them with the same rights and honor due to an Israelite wife . Poles apart from what's seen in today's wars , Israelite soldiers were absolutely barred from raping or otherwise abusing women . Jehovah instructed , "If you go to war against your enemies and Jehovah your God defeats them for you and you take them captive, and you see among the captives a beautiful woman and you are attracted to her and you want to take her as your wife, you may bring her into your house. She should then shave her head, attend to her nails, and remove the clothing of her captivity, [for hygienic reasons ] and dwell in your house. She will weep for her father and her mother a whole month, and afterward you may have relations with her; you will become her husband and she will become your wife. But if you are not pleased with her, you should then let her go wherever she wishes. But you may not sell her for money or treat her harshly.” -Deuteronomy 21:10-14 ( Bracket mine . )

Unmistakably , then , Jehovah is not the bloodthirsty God he is undeservedly charged of being . Having said that , he will not shrink back from rendering justice whenever it is due . God’s love of goodness demands that he take action on behalf of those godly ones who love him by eradicating the evil system that oppresses them all . When he does so , authentic peacefulness will certainly flourish earth wide as the genuinely meek ones unitedly worship Jehovah , “the God of peace .”—Philippians 4 :9 .


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Titen-Sxull 19 months ago from back in the lab again Author

"Would a sadistic warmongering god ever extend mercy?"

Yes.

There is nothing about the fact that Yahweh is evil which suggests that he doesn't, on occasion, spare someone. Basically what you're arguing is akin to "if Hitler spared one Jew, hes merciful" so if Yahweh occasionally doesn't murder everyone that's mercy. The thing about good and evil is that you can commit a thousand and one good deeds but if at the end of the day you go home and commit one deed that is evil enough you're no longer a good person. For example someone who gives to charity and helps their community but goes home and beats their wife.

In Yahweh's case however it is a track record of evil, with a few sprinkles of mercy.


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Joseph O Polanco 19 months ago

Except that the dikaiocide of evil peoples is not murder or evil. Try again :)


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Titen-Sxull 19 months ago from back in the lab again Author

You're dodging the point Joe, try again.


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Joseph O Polanco 19 months ago

No dodging. God executing evil peoples is a tremendous good and not evil. This simple fact lays bear how absolutely hollow your entire argument is.


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Titen-Sxull 19 months ago from back in the lab again Author

The point wasn't that killing evil people was murder. So yes, you dodged the point.

First of all it makes no sense for people to have this pure evil component that you are using as a half-assed excuse for God's actions. If God is creator of all he is responsible for what is within creation, including being responsible for any people who happen to be born with this evil element. But these people ARE NOT TO BLAME for being born evil - how can they be?

Second of all the God you believe in is all powerful, meaning that not only could he prevent such evil people from ever existing or prevent them from ever having that evil element within them he could also remove the evil after the fact. If God cannot remove these evil people without slaughtering them than he is not all powerful. If he cannot redeem them he is not all powerful.

Third, killing these evil people is wrong for God. Why? Because God is omnibenevolent. To suggest that killing them is right you must be suggesting that killing them is the RIGHTEST POSSIBLE WAY God could have dealt with them. I, with my limited mortal brain, can think of dozens of ways to deal with the Canaanites without slaughtering them. So God's omnibenevolence and omnipotence are out the window.


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Joseph O Polanco 19 months ago

i. "If God is creator of all he is responsible for what is within creation"

That's only true if we were automatons. As it stands we are free to do with our lives as we please and, yes, that includes CHOOSING to be evil.

ii. " killing these evil people is wrong for God. Why? Because God is omnibenevolent."

Hang on. Where is it taught in the Bible that God is omnibenevolent?


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Titen-Sxull 19 months ago from back in the lab again Author

"That's only true if we were automatons."

Actually it stems from God's omnipotence. As God is the omnipotent creator of everything there can be nothing he is not responsible for. Even if not directly created by him everything that exists continues to do so only by the Will of God, which goes for events that take place, and everything else in the Universe.

"Hang on. Where is it taught in the Bible that God is omnibenevolent?"

It isn't... THAT'S MY ENTIRE F**KING POINT JOE, the God of the Bible is a monster, not the all loving and merciful God that people claim he is. That's the exact realization that I had while reading the Bible as a Christian that helped me to break the programming and self-deception.


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Joseph O Polanco 19 months ago

i. "As God is the omnipotent creator of everything there can be nothing he is not responsible for. "

Prove it.

ii. "the God of the Bible is a monster"

Not according to your definition of evil. The dikaiocide of evil peoples is a tremendous good for it serves to protect the godly from violence and death.


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Titen-Sxull 19 months ago from back in the lab again Author

Of course you still haven't proven that there is such a thing as truly evil "peoples", I was merely granting that.

Either way it does not make sense for a benevolent God to do harm when he can avoid doing harm. Remember that according to your own beliefs God isn't just good, he's the best, he's perfect. So why would he commit genocide when he can avoid it? Unless you also want to throw out his omnipotence, now that you've tossed out his omnibenevolence.


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Joseph O Polanco 19 months ago

"So why would he commit genocide when he can avoid it? "

Isn't it obvious? Because it's unavoidable:

"‘“As surely as I am alive,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that someone wicked changes his way and keeps living. Turn back, turn back from your bad ways, for why should you die[?]" -Ezekiel 33:11

"“‘Do I take any pleasure at all in the death of a wicked person?’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. ‘Do I not prefer that he turn away from his ways and keep living?’ “‘But when someone righteous abandons his righteousness and does what is wrong, doing all the detestable things the wicked do, will he live? None of the righteous acts that he did will be remembered. For his unfaithfulness and the sin he has committed, he will die." -Ezekiel 18:23,24


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Titen-Sxull 19 months ago from back in the lab again Author

Can something be unavoidable for God? Seems to me the only thing God does not have control over is his own attributes, and his benevolence and omnipotence would not require him to kill anyone - ever.

It also falls apart because if I were an all powerful and all loving God I could save those people, or design a world in which they never existed or were never born evil. If I as a limited human being can imagine ways out of it than there is no excuse for a God meant to be far better than I.


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Joseph O Polanco 19 months ago

"if I were an all powerful and all loving God I could save those people"

And you'd be forcing these to be something they don't want to be, i.e., good.

Congratulations, you've transformed humanity into mindless manikins.


Moral Conscience 19 months ago

Its possible for the creator if He really is all good, all knowing, all wise, loving, merciful, etc to make us humans into a more gentle, a more altruistic, and friendlier than what we are. As it is, humans have been made more selfish, more cruel, more violent by Nature and by nurture. We dont have total free will. Read the previous comments by Moral Man. Why cant God change our hearts and change our minds as we sleep? Instead this God just folds His hands and allows us to remain in our sins ad nauseam, ad infinitum. Allow the sin, punish the sin is His motto. How long is this cruel, immoral, insane, destructive experiment with free will going to continue? Forever? Until everyone and everything is dead and extinct? This God has no solution to offer us and allows us to remain in our sins, allows us to suffer and die, allows Satan and demons to corrupt and ruin His creation, and allows mass division and mass confusion over religion. This is not love. This is not mercifulness. This is not omnibenevolence. This isnt even rational. This isnt even sane.

You point out that the Caananites were so evil that God had the right to kill them for they engaged in child sacrifices and other crimes. Was this true for all of the victims God punished and killed? Lets see. Did 70,000 men deserve to be killed just because David took a census? Did David's baby deserve to be killed for David's sin? Does this make sense? Did 50,070 people deserve to be killed just because a few of them touched or peeked inside the Ark of the Covenant? Did thousands of Israelites deserve to be killed in the wilderness just because they were complaining? Did Lot's wife deserve to be turned into a pillar of salt just for turning back to look at Sodom and Gomorha? Finally, what did all those animals do to deserve to be punished and killed? Why were donkeys, horses, and cattle killed? What sins were the animals guilty for? This God cannot see sin in His own behavior, and He cannot see sin in His monstrously cruel, inhumane, disgusting punishments, and He cannot see sin in His cruelty and negligence, and He cannot see sin in the suffering and evil He allows. Creating, causing, or allowing cancer, stroke, aneurysm, heart disease, malaria, ebola, tooth decay, hurricanes, and tsunamis is a sin. Whoever or whatever created diseases is a criminal worse than Hitler. Immoral, amoral scum. This God is a blind hypocrite who sees our sins but who cannot see His own sins.

By the way, David repented and yet God still went ahead with killing 70,000 men, and in another instance God kills David's baby for David's sin. The punishment is way out of proportion to the sin. This God just blindly, recklessly, indiscriminately, stupidly punishes, and it makes no difference to Him whether or not His victims deserve it. Mentally unevolved, morally unevolved, primitive, and backward is this God. This God has no common sense and has no reasoning. He threatens His own people with turning into cannibals and mothers shall eat their babies, and threatens people with having their women raped. The Bible God is a moral monstrosity and perversion with a Jekyll and Hyde personality, and from what I see, the Mr. Hyde in Him is domineering.

Lets not forget that this God is going to throw billions of people into hell to be tortured forever. Thousands, millions, billions, trillions, zillions of years of torture. If this is true then we should all be losing our sleep and living in fear. So He created us to torture us. This God is monumentally, unimaginably, immeasurably cruel. Both God and Satan are criminals in my book, and both have screwed and ruined the creation. Maybe, just maybe the world might be a better place without these two monsters. They are both thugs. Supernatural scumbags describe these two. We have a deficient God on one hand, and a Devil on the other hand, and between these two bastards, the creation is screwed and ruined beyond hope. If God knew beforehand all the sins and evils humans would do and if He knew that the world was going to turn into a hellhole and horror movie then DONT CREATE IT. DONT DO IT. If Why create billions of people who He knows beforehand will end up in hell? Or why allow billions of people to be born who He knows will end up in hell? Its irresponsible, immoral, insane. So we dont have total free will, and morally speaking, the free will defense doesnt have a leg to stand on.


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Titen-Sxull 19 months ago from back in the lab again Author

Brilliant post Moral Conscience, thank you.

Unfortunately some believers seem willing to defend the indefensible moral atrocities of the Bible until they are blue in the face. It strikes me as odd that some who read and study the Bible do not succumb to the cognitive dissonance of a loving God performing these horrific acts. Perhaps it is fear. Perhaps blind faith. Perhaps mental illness or some combination.


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Joseph O Polanco 19 months ago

@Moral

The Hellfire doctrine is a perverse Antichrist mendacity that defames God. As a God of justice and love he would never prescribe infinite punishment for a finite crime no matter how wicked: http://bit.ly/17fVMYm

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