You Believe in God? Prove It!

I visited a religious forum, and the question was, is the burden of proof (for the existence of God, I assume) on the believers? The discussion just got lost in a meaningless exchange of personalities, which is one reason I don't visit the forums very much. People get way too hot, too personal, and the same couple of people keep going back and forth for pages and pages of replies, until the discussion is entirely meaningless and a complete waste of time for anyone else.

I still thought it was a very interesting question. So I decided to just write a quick little hub instead.

It is indeed hard to prove a negative proposition. One can't prove God doesn't exist.

Me, personally--I just look around me and that's really all the proof I need. So much beauty and variety in Nature, and how elegantly life forms are co-joined to exist in the same biosphere. On the other hand, that is indeed a matter of personal faith and doesn't constitute proof at all.

So. Is the burden of proof on the Believers? I would think that depends on the context of what is being decided. I don't think in the normal course of things a religious belief is subject to scientific proofs. I don't see why it should be up to science to prove or disprove any part of anyone's religious belief system. I don't see why it should be up to Believers to scientifically prove any part of their belief system, either. Why should anyone have to proveĀ  what a person asserts by faith? So long as that person grants the right of every other person to believe or disbelieve according to his/her own belief system, why is any proof, either positive or negative, necessary? A person believes what he/she believes because they do, most of the time.

I do know scientists are interested in some sort of quantified proof of an afterlife, or God, or a soul, and have experimented with measuring and weighing human beings that are in extrema and then immediately after death.

21 grams are completely unaccounted for, in a person's passing. Science can't explain it. It may very well be the weight of the soul, passing from the body, going home to God. Or, it may not.

Scientists would like the answer to the life-after-death question; and not only as a matter of scientific curiousity. I'm sure we all wonder what the exact truth of the matter is, and I'm sure we won't find out until, hopefully, much later

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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thanks, Kitty. I much enjoy your hubs, also.

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kittythedreamer 5 years ago from the Ether

Paradise7 - I loved this hub. You are quite an intelligent person and write intelligently, as well. I recently watched Discovery's show Curiosity on TV, and the first show was titled "Does God Exist". Well, the entire show literally was a man saying that the earth and universe was created in the Big Bang but that God didn't exist before the Big Bang because there was no time before the Big Bang....which I thought was a bit ridiculous. Time is a human thing...why would God need to be subject to a human device? Anyway, voted up and awesome.

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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thank you so much for your comment, ahorseback. That's really it--you believe (or you don't).

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ahorseback 5 years ago

Hi Paradise , I am often amazed to the point of shaking my head in absolute awe when I listen to scientists and non-believers seeking "truth" ,I can't begin to understand all of the written meanings behind the bible ,except this one thing, The simplest ingrediant of religious belief is that of faith ,of any and all denominations ,christianity asks only faith. Nice hub!

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OmNaser 5 years ago from kuwait

yes just one :)

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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

All Gods are One.

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OmNaser 5 years ago from kuwait

There is no doubt of Gods existence .The question is which God is your God?

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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

That was sort of my point, if you read my hub thoroughly. Still, a matter of personal faith and does not constitute proof. No proof necessary, for me. It's what I see in nature that convinces me. I just don't think all of these beautiful, fragile and complex systems came about by themselves.

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OmNaser 5 years ago from kuwait

OFcourse I believe in God when I see his creations and the harmony of nature . The proof is obvious that God exists. The life cycle of human being one after another from birth to death. Who did create all of that in your opinion?

Ofcourse the Creator of the universe...God.

And life after death there will be heaven and death in the resurrection day. God punishes the sinner in hell and rewards the good one in heaven. Which is a paradise. Utopia..

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Dave Mathews 6 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

You got it! Each and every time you look around you God is doing something new and different and yes it is very difficult to prove a negative. Amidst all of the ugliness and chaos of this world is beauty and love abounding. Couldn't be so without God.

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Paradise7 6 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Excellent comment, thank you Dave!

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DavePrice 6 years ago from Sugar Grove, Ill

I heard it said once that if God did not exist, we would have never known it. Because He exists, and because we were created to know and be known by Him, our spirit is not complete without Him - thus is born the evidence of His existence, that we seek to know Him.

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Paradise7 6 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thank you so much, sofs, for the lovely comment. I really like those quotes. Thanks again for those particular references.

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sofs 6 years ago

You are so right about the religious forums, it is a slug fest out there. I tried doing something there but decided not to get into any of those arguments. I love the definition of faith in the Bible, Heb 11:1 says Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Rom 10:17 says Faith comes to those who hear and hear the word of God!!

It is amazing that people make a mockery of faith here.

I am glad you chose this way!

Wonderful hub!!! Will be back again to read more!!

God bless!!

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Paradise7 6 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thank you, T! You also are a pacifist Christian, so God bless.

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t.elia 6 years ago from Northern Ireland

Impressive hub Paradise7,beliefs are personnal and as a christian I can pray irrespective of where I am. If everyday life takes me into another religous house I respect their ways and traditions. Thankyou for such a peaceful hub on religion.

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Paradise7 6 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thank you so much, Johnny, for the encouraging comment!

johnnynaakea 6 years ago

Great hub. I also agree that forums can deteriorate into a meaningless slug fest. I enjoyed your thoughts and writing style.

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Paradise7 6 years ago from Upstate New York Author

That's completely ok Sweetie Pie and a lot of people agree with you. Thanks for the comment.

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SweetiePie 7 years ago from Southern California, USA

When it comes to belief I just consider it a personal thing, and really do not talk about it much in public. I feel people would not understand the way I feel, so I keep it mostly to myself.

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Micky Dee 7 years ago

Very nice. Thanks for the hub. I hope God believes in me too.

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Paradise7 7 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thank you Sybil Marie. You're so right.

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Sybil Marie 7 years ago

Thank you so much for your hub.I can't agree more. Being a believer I gravitate to the forums on God, but it really can get nasty at times, and yes it has seemed better the last few days. I really enjoyed your perspective

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Paradise7 7 years ago from Upstate New York Author

RM & Brenda, thank you for the comments. It should go without saying, that everybody in this country can believe what they believe, but on the forums they seem to forget it, and get just a little too adamant for comfort. It seems to have gotten better since I wrote this, by a little.

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rmcrayne 7 years ago from San Antonio Texas

I think we're in agreement that we believe what we believe, deep down. We don't choose what we believe, we just acknowledge, accept &/or embrace.

\Brenda Scully 7 years ago

wow you are so right about the forums,,,,,, totally give religion a bad name altogether,,,,, enjoyed your hub

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Paradise7 7 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Hello, Park0916. Thank you for the comment. Many people feel the same way you do.

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park0916 7 years ago

Do you really need proof? Why can't people just believe he's here? I mean, look around. Think about all of those millions of cells in our body, or how we, or have feelings of love and anger. How do we have the ability to use our minds, and make choices; to be content or to want something. I'm just a kid but, isn't that enough proof right there? How could it have been a coincidence?

Were able to be alive today, that's a miracle, isn't it? "THIS IS THE DAY THAT THE LORD HAS MADE, REJOICE AND BE GLAD IN IT," That's what I tell myself every morning. And I get scared over things that could happen like the great tribulation, or that there are many people that would like to kill people like me, and wars, but I am confident that the lord will save me, and I will live forever in heaven with god. I respect other religions, but I think that there is a lot of proof that god exists, and I am 100% absolutely, without a doubt a christian.

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Paradise7 7 years ago from Upstate New York Author

I'm pretty sure there is a Higher Power that created the universe and everything in it. I'm pretty sure, all this that we see around us, and all that exists that we can't see, either because it's too big or too small, or we're too big or too small, is a creation and not an accident. Everything works together so elegantly I can't believe it's an accident. So, yes, I do.

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prasetio30 7 years ago from malang-indonesia

I believe God 100%. He give me life. and the place for me to share when I am sad. And I believe all the universe is because of God. nice topic. How about you?

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Paradise7 7 years ago from Upstate New York Author

You're very welcome. This topic is very interesting to me.

Matthew 43 7 years ago

Great Hub! As a Psychic your right there is a lot we cannot account for in the Spiritual Realm. Thanks for sharing!!

TMinut 7 years ago

Honestly I think the 'burden of proof' is on God himself. We can't prove anything to someone - it's the spirit in us that draws people and God has to reveal it. The most we can do is tell someone so that when God DOES reveal himself to them, they can say in amazement, "Is that you, God? You're real?!"

As far as saying "God", it's hard, isn't it? God already is the generic term but now the term has taken on too many connotations, we end up needing to say what we mean by God. God is beyond our vocabulary and even conception, that's why we have bible and other religious stories - so we can have a way to even think about God. That's what people do, when we don't have words we say, "It's like when you...", we use analogies and stories.

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Paradise7 7 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thank you all for your comments. Bay Area Great Thing, I was having that same thought--we don't ask scientist for proof of love--when I read your comment! A community of minds, it's wonderful.

Duchess, you know Pgrundy (our Pam!) wrote a hub about how carried away people get in the Forums, especially the religious forums, with vituperative exchanges of personality that are far, far from the original topic. I think we're all getting a little fed up with that, but I don't think it's to drive traffic. I think it's just a few hubbers who don't know the difference between a forum and a chat room.

AW Sydney--I read YOUR comment in the same forum I was talking about. I was impressed by YOUR faith, and I thought you got shot down there sorta rudely. It was partly to give you another chance to comment that I put this out there. I'm so glad you caught the opportunity.

Hi Catherine!! Thank you for your very positive and helpful feedback. You're an open-minded, agreeable kind of person, so you say, "Of course people must believe what they like..." That one statement is so true and I hope everyone remembers it when visiting a religious hub or forum.

Dohn, you know, when I said, "Believers" I was thinking all believers in anything, really. I meant Buddhists, too, even though I know Buddhists don't say "God", to me most people of faith are worshipping the same entity under different names, but with the same fundamental seeking of goodness, fairness, right behavior, and gratitude of the gifts of life; I wish I knew a generic word that respects everyone's belief, instead of using the word "God". I certainly didn't mean to exclude you or any Buddhist or person of Eastern faiths by using the word "God". You don't have to prove anything, either; I respect your beliefs wholeheartedly and hope that always comes across, even if I don't say it right. My profound apologies, my deepest apologies for being so ingrained in Western thinking that I took it for granted you would know that you and all Eastern faiths were included in "Believers" as well.

Duchess OBlunt 7 years ago

Paradise, I agree with your reasons for this Hub. More and more often when I read some of the Hubs in the Religious Forum, I suspect they are written only to generate traffic. I suppose if that's their purpose, it works.

And yes, there are a few who write pages in response. I would prefer they write a hub and link it instead so that those who are interested in their ramblings can click through to them. Hmmm, is that agreeable with HubPages terms do you think?

I'm glad you chose this route, because then it gives us an opportunity to say thank you. You say it well. 21 grams unaccounted for. That was an interesting fact I have not heard before. Food for thought at the very least.

So, my thanks

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awsydney 7 years ago from Sydney, Australia

Faith IS proof in itself.Those who question the faith of others is questioning their own faith. I agree, I look around at the intricacies of Nature and that is enough for me to thank God for all his creations. Well done Paradise!

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Catherine R 7 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

You put this very eloquently . Of course people must believe what they like and that be the end of it. On the other hand I understand the scientist in his search for proof - this is the job of science after all.

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bayareagreatthing 7 years ago from Bay Area California

I have always been a little mystified at the demand for proof of God. We don't ask for proof of hope or faith, or love. Yet many who don't believe in God believe in these minus "proof". Good points made here!

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dohn121 7 years ago from Hudson Valley, New York

I think that you got it right here, Paradise7. I am a Buddhist, but admire your penchant for God and your undying belief in God. I was always brought up to respect other religions. What either of us believe in is our own business and no one else's. No one should disrespect anyone else's religious preference unless of course it is bent on harming others or breaks any governing laws when their is Freedom of Religion. Thank you for sharing this. You did an excellent job conveying your faith.

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