Liberty for Women in Christ!

Quote by Matthew Henry (1662-1714)

"The woman was made of a rib out of the side of Adam; not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be beloved." 

Your Daughters Shall Prophesy!
Your Daughters Shall Prophesy!

God's Original Design

Before we go any further, let’s start out with God's original design for men and women in Gen 1:26-27 “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’ And God created man [H120 ha-Adam - mankind] in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them (G: ref Mat 19:4). This was the perfect plan of God.

It is important to notice the Greek words for 'male' [G730 arsen] and 'female' [G2338 thelu], because the Greek words for 'husband' [G435 aner] and 'wife' [G1135 gune] are quite different, which we will expound upon in this study. The beautiful revelation we will 'see' is that the husband and wife are the image of Christ and the Church.

The CURSE

When the fall of man happened a curse was given to each Adam, Eve and the snake. All were cursed equally. Adam was cursed by having the ground cursed with thorns and thistles so he would have to toil by the sweat of his face. Eve was cursed with her husband ruling over her and pain in childbirth. The snake was cursed to his belly (no legs) to slither around in the dust of the earth.

In 1 Tim 2:13-15 Paul states, “For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. It was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman* [G1135 gune] being quite deceived, fell into transgression. But she* shall be preserved through the bearing of children [speaking of release from the original curse], if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.

I find it interesting to see the words “faith”, “love” and “self-restraint”, as these are absolute fruit of the Spirit found in Gal 5:22 and also 1 Cor 13:13. Also, notice the Greek word for woman [gune] and compare it to the next verse, "But she [speaking of the woman in the previous verse] shall be preserved through the bearing of children". Considering the curse to the 'woman' was that her HUSBAND shall rule over her, this absolutely tells us it is not about males ruling over females, let alone others' husbands ruling over others' wives!!

Paul indeed puts the responsibility of sin on Eve in 1 Timothy, while he then puts the responsibility of sin on Adam in Rom 5:12-14 “Therefore, just as through one man [G444 anthropos] sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men [G444], because all sinned—for until the Law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no Law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him (Christ) who is to come.”

Paul's Teachings

So far, we've observed the Greek word for husband as G435, and while Adam is referred to as a husband in Gen 3:16, he is also the 'one man' [G444] whereby sin entered the world. Here are some interesting observations in the writings of the Apostle Paul. Considering there were female judges (Jud 4:4 - judge and prophetess - OT), apostles (Rom 16:7), prophetesses (Acts 21:9) and deaconesses (Rom 16:1) at the time of Paul, his instructions address the behavior of women as wives in regard to their own husbands. It is not to portray women (females or wives) as weak, unlearned, or unable to be used powerfully by God, even as preachers and teachers! Just as the Greek words are different with 'man', 'husband' and 'male', they are different for 'female' [G2338] and 'wife' [G1135]. 1 Cor 7:10 "To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife [G1135] must not divorce her husband [G435]."

In 1 Cor 14:34-35, we MUST take it in full context (both verses): “Let the women [G1135 wives] keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands [G453 husband] at home; for it is improper for a woman [G1135 wife] to speak in church.” Now, regarding the law, Paul was not referring to the Law of Moses, for there's not one word about wives (or women) being silent in church in Mosaic law ~ nor in the 10 Commandments, for that matter.

1 Tim 2:9-12 “Likewise, I want women [G1135 wives] to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments; but rather by means of good works, as befits women [G1135 wives] making a claim to godliness. Let a woman [G1135 wife] quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman [G1135 wife] to teach or exercise authority [G831 authentein - act autonomously] over a [her] man [G435 husband], but to remain quiet." Did you notice 'man' is NOT G444?This does not mean a wife is not to wear nice clothing and jewelry, but back in those days the women would 'flaunt' or 'compete', showing their 'value' by braiding jewels into their hair and so forth. Paul is saying their value is inside, in having a relationship with Christ Jesus and exhibiting His attributes.

We might want to ponder what the Apostle Peter states in 1 Pet 3:1 "In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives." Truly, it appears the husband's obedience is the motive/purpose here.

Marriage to Christ

The Mystery in Ephesians 5:21-33

More often than not, this passage is preached, beginning in verse 22. Let us NOT MISS verse 21!! "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ."

vs 22-33: “Wives [G1135], be subject to your husbands [G435] as [the Church is] to the Lord, for the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church. He Himself being the Savior of the body. Here, we see an alignment between 'headship' and being the 'savior of the body'.

The Greek word for 'head' is kephale and it's definition aligns with being a 'savior' to his wife:

KEPHALE - source of being, origin of being. In Genesis 2 man or husband is spoken of as the source or origin of the woman's existence. Paul's point here is that she "comes" from him, NOT that the husband is the wife's boss or commander or ruler. KEPHALE is used in the Greek translation of the Hebrew in Genesis 2.

•militarily, the front-line soldier who is first in line of fire,the shock troop, the one who absorbs assaults and enemy fire.

Eph 5 goes on to say how a husband and wife should treat each other, but the passage is summed up in verse 32 “This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church”. Therefore, if we re-read that passage and wherever the word “wife” is used, use the word “church”, and wherever the word “husband” is used, use the word “Christ”, we would get a better understanding of this “mystery”.

Verses 22-33 would read like this:

“The church ought to be subject to Christ in everything. Christ loves His church, as He gave Himself up for her, that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless. So Christ loves the church as His own body because we are members of His body. For this cause, Christ left His Father to cleave unto the church, and they shall become one.”

Now, if we compare this to 1 Cor 11, this chapter tells us about the 'covering' of the wife by her husband (though using head-coverings as the example). Notice that vs 7 states the husband is not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God. This too, is a picture of Christ and the Church. The Lord Jesus is the Husband to the Church (Jer 31:32; Eph 5:32).

Therefore, all of us, as the bride of Christ must function in submission to Him and operate in the Spirit. I personally feel that if scripture is used by a pastor or husband to stifle the Spirit of God in the vessel of a woman, merely because she is a female or a wife, it is not what God intended. Consider what happened when Abigail disobeyed her husband, Nabal, and obeyed the voice of the LORD in 1 Samuel 25! David may not have killed Nabal because of Abigail's obedience, but the LORD did (vs. 37). Abigail then became David's wife.

Let's ponder for a moment the Woman that is rescued in Rev 12. Vs. 1 tells us the Woman is pregnant, so this is obviously a Wife or Virgin Wife (Mary, the mother of Jesus ~ or representative of the Church - parable of the 10 Virgins ring a bell?). Vs. 17 tells us "Then the dragon was enraged at the woman [G1135 Wife] and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus."

Be Equally Yoked (2 Cor 6:14)
Be Equally Yoked (2 Cor 6:14)

One in Christ

2 Cor 6:14 states “Be ye not unequally yoked.” While this is speaking of not yoking ourselves with unbelievers, do you know what being equally yoked means? Imagine two cows connected by a yoke (a wooden bar or frame by which two animals (as oxen) are joined at the heads or necks for working together). If one goes too fast and the other falls behind, each will be hurt. But, if they walk in sync, both accomplish much. So, for a man to “lord” over his wife (as in a dictatorship) is unfruitful, as well as it is for the wife to “lord” over her husband. Likewise, the body of Christ is to show reverence to Him, yet rest in His unfailing love and sanctification. This goes right along with Eph 5:33 “Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.”

Let's look at 1 Cor 7:4-5 (regarding sexual oneness) "The wife does not have authority [exousiazei - has right] over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority [exousiazei - has right] over his own body, but the wife does."

Now, let's go down to verses 33-34 "But a married man is concerned about things of this world, that is, about how he can please his wife, and his interests are divided. The woman who is unmarried, and the virgin, is concerned about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how she may please her husband."

Paul clarifies oneness in the Lord in 1 Cor 11:11-12 "However, in the Lord, neither is woman [G1135] independent of man [G435], nor is man independent of woman. For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God."

The Word says when we consummate the marriage, we are no longer two, but one flesh. what does it mean to be one flesh? This is the feminine Greek word mia of the masculine Greek word heis, Hebrew word echad. While some Jewish scholars believe the 'one flesh' is produced in the child of the husband and wife, I believe it is reflective of the Church being one with Jesus Christ. As we discussed in the beginning of this hub, the male [arsen] and female [thelu], upon consummation, become husband [aner] and wife [gune]. God made male and female to become husband and wife, the image of Christ and the Church. Through their consummation comes new birth, physically and spiritually.

We serve our Lord with gladness. Our Lord gave His very life for us! Mat 10:26 and Mark 10:43 state, "But it is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant;" Jesus washed His disciples' feet and humbled Himself to dying on the cross! He is the King of Kings! Put down the oppression and pride, for Prov 3:34 states "Surely He scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly."

Female Apostles & Prophetesses

Finally, let’s look at the end-time prophesy stated in Joel 2:28-29 “It will come about after this that I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; and your sons [ben - sons] and daughters [bath - daughters] will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. And even on the male [ebed - servant] and female [shiphchah - maidservant] servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.”

This is prophesied again by Jesus Himself in Acts 2:17-18 “‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says, ‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit upon all mankind; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even upon My bondslaves [doulous], both men and women, I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit and they shall prophesy.”

Even in Paul's time, daughters prophesied! Acts 21:9 tells us "Now this man had four virgin daughters who were prophetesses." So, if they get married they lose the gift of prophecy? I don't think so.

We also see that My bondslaves in Acts 2 are both men and women in the last days. Let’s look at just four passages where Jesus’ bondslaves, also known as bondservants, are mentioned:

Rom 1:1 “Paul, a bondservant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,”

2 Pet 1:1 “Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ…”

Jam 1:1 “James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ…”

1 Pet 2:16 “Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God.

So, were all bondslaves and apostles male? Not even in Paul’s time! Rom 16:7 tells us of a female apostle named Junia, his relative: “Greet Andronicus and Junia, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was. Know that the "silent women" ordinance is only in regard to a wife to her own husband (when it comes to behavior in the congregation and at home). We can see that Junia, who scholars believe was married to Andronicus, glorified the Lord in ministry!!

Once again, because of the English translation of the Bible, women have been oppressed for centuries, held back by the Enemy. All born-again believers preach by the authority of our Lord and by His Spirit. God does not pour out a different Spirit upon males than He does females. WOMEN, married or not, you CAN PREACH!! you CAN TEACH!! Wives, obey the commandment of the Lord given through Paul in respect to your own husbands. May the Lord continue to use women mightily in His ministry, and LET NO MAN (male or female) HINDER HIS SPIRIT! Amen!!

Renewed to His Image

Did you know that Gentiles were considered “dogs”, even by Jesus? Look at Mat 15:24-28: “But he answered and said, ‘I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel’. But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, ‘Lord, help me!’ And He answered and said, ‘It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs.’ But she said, ‘Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.’ Then Jesus said to her, ‘O woman [G1135], your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.’ And her daughter was healed at once.” The woman was not a dog, but the fact she was a Gentile.

  • Consider the 'dog' who delivered the first message of Christ to the Samaritans? The woman at the well, who had had five 'husbands' and was currently living with a man not her husband (John 4:28-29).
  • And who was it that took the news of the resurrection of our LORD back to the disciples? Mary Magdeline and the other Mary (Mar 28:7-8).

After Christ’s death, resurrection and ascension into heaven, we read the words of Paul in Gal 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Greek [Hellen: Gentile], there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male [arsen] nor female [thelu]; for you are all one [mia] in Christ Jesus.”

Col 3:9-11 “Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices, and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him - a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythina, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.”

In this same passage, in verse 14 “And beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity.

Jesus CHOSE Mary to Deliver the FIRST Gospel Message TO the Apostles!

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no body 7 years ago from Rochester, New York

Thank God He uses women. Thank God for you.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

And I thank God for your love and support ~ and prayers, no body. You are such a blessing to me!


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no body 7 years ago from Rochester, New York

I have re-read this and it sounds great. I know that if a husband gives his cover or the pastor, a woman is fully charged before the Lord to teach, admonish, minister and serve in the church. Indeed there are places where the only one commissioned by the Lord in an assembly is a woman. I do believe that God will raise up a man for her "cover". You are empowered my sister for this ministry and I support you in prayer. I love you.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Bless you heart, brother. I so appreciate you taking the time to read and comment. I know you have the heart of our Lord and love you always in His love ~ give my love to your beautiful family!


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Kermit2000 7 years ago

What a fascinating hub. Interesting name you have too, I've recently been researching the various tribes and their movements in the promised land at variou times.

I found this an interesting hub, especially as a man getting married soon. I always do and will try to encourage my (future) wife into any minitry that God has for her.

In terms of prophesy and the like as long as we as a church are weighing everything as is correct to do I don't see a problem with women being active members of the church. Nay I actively encourage it myself as long as we are cautious to hearing and doing the word but that's just good sense anyway.

With the spirit to help and guide we've got no problem.

Good work.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Kermit2000, thank you for becoming a fan! Congratulations on your upcoming marriage! I pray God richly use the two of you in His ministry to the saints, as part of His body. I appreciate you stopping by to read and leave your kind comment. God bless you both!


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sarmack 7 years ago from Washington

And He has Blessed me as a woman, for sure. I love your picture of the lion and the lamb. The lion and the lamb have a special place in my heart. Women are to pray and to prophecy for the Christian Church. He gives us the Words to speak.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

sarmack, thank you ~ I love this picture, too. The Lion of Judah is our Lord and also our Shepherd ~ we are the little Lambs who can confidently know we "baa aaaaa" for Him as long as there is time and one more breath in us! Praise God!


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DeBorrah K. Ogans 6 years ago

Judah's daughter, Very good observations! "Here are some interesting observations in the writings of the Apostle Paul. Considering there were female judges, apostles and prophetesses at the time of Paul, these passages address the behavior of women as wives in regard to their own husbands. It is not to portray women as weak, unlearned, or unable to be used powerfully by God, even as preachers and teachers!" Amen & AMEN! "God is not a respecter of persons." He can and will use whomever He chooses! One must simply and sincerely submit to His will and way! "I can do all things through Jesus Christ that strengthens me!"

In His Love, Peace & Blessings!

Thank you for sharing, In His Love, Peace & Blessings!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Sister DeBorrah ~ I'm so glad you came by to bless this hub and I'm glad YOU were blessed! YOU are a blessing! Luv U!!


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DeBorrah K. Ogans 6 years ago

Judah's Daughter, By the way great video selection! I so enjoy Melissa Scott too! Be encouraged! Keep looking to the Lord! Great message! Praise God! YOU are blessing! In HIS LOVE!!!


exjwlaurie 6 years ago

I just love this hub sister JD!

Having come from the JW teaching, where women are taught to "know their place", these message is one of love and freedom in Christ. Equality in Christ.

I also loved the quote by Matthew Henry at the beginning of your hub! What a GEM that quote is! Such a perfect fit for your teaching here! I am blessed for having read your work, yet again! Thank you for this!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, my precious sister in Christ, Laurie!! We are children of the KING, and He does not pour out a different Spirit upon females than He does males, let alone Jew, Greek, slave or free! We speak His words; we are His vessels! The harvest is plenty, but the laborers are few! We are truly all one in Christ Jesus ~ and ANYONE, even a mule and a rock, He will use to shout forth His praises ~ preach His gospel to all the world without oppression!! Hallelujah!!


exjwlaurie 6 years ago

Sister JD, I just have to say, that I am truly in awe of you. You raise a son, you work full-time, you maintain a household, and you still have time to study, to write--to teach, and to share the knowledge and wisdom God pours into you-His vessel!

You make it 'look' easy, but I know better. Especially in these increasingly troublesome times! This demonstrates to me how the Holy Spirit works mightily through those with willing hands and willing hearts!

You are a blessing sister JD, and I felt the need and the desire to compliment your dedication, and excellent work for our Lord! May He greatly BLESS and keep you safe and strong until He returns to gather us unto Him!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Oh, bless your heart, sister Laurie. Actually, I thought about your words...I lost my job in Dec 2008 and was unemployed until May 2010. The LORD spoke to my heart that He was giving me a "Sabbath" rest ~ I thought about your latest hub and how you spoke of the land resting in the seventh year...This was the time the Lord had me in His Word and writing, writing, writing, just like you're doing now! I am back to work for a season and yet it comforts me, by the power of His Holy Spirit, to know there are servants as you carrying the baton in this relay race. THANK YOU so much!! You are as fresh water, a laborer in the Word and ministry, and I am thankful to feast at His table with you any moment of the day!


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Ms Dee 5 years ago from Texas, USA

Beautiful, useful, voted UP! Great material in this hub and lots to think about and treasure in my heart. :) Hallelujah, we are all one in Christ! I am always amazed at how much context and implied information there is to understand in the Scriptures. You do a wonderful job in teasing some of that out to get the reader thinking.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, sister Dee!! I'm glad you found a treasure! I've had a couple of subjective thoughts...

1) I was never very good at math. However, when it came to having to get an A in the math portion of chemistry, I did. How? By not trying to figure the problem out on my own, but simply going by the text book...Just do it. Well, we have a text book in Christ, and the meaning is there in the Hebrew and Greek, praise God!!

2) 1 Cor 7:14 came to mind: "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy." Here, we can see that a believing wife sanctifies her unbelieving husband. Who is literally the spiritual leader in the home? The wife. Leadership does not come from 'loud', but we find that the unbelieving husband MAY be won over by his wife's chaste behavior. The fruit of the Spirit is self-control (Gal 5:23), and obedience to the Lord means to treat her husband with reverence. Hallelujah!

God bless you, my dear!! Luv U bunches!!


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Ms Dee 5 years ago from Texas, USA

Interesting you should get into 1 Cor 7:14. Had a real life situation where the unbelieving husband turned to preaching atheism in quite an "ugly" fashion. No children in the marriage. Ended in divorce as the believing wife became completely exhausted, emotionally and had to move out in order to keep mentally/ emotionally functioning. There are some who'd say that her leaving (though because of that he asked for divorce) led to an unbibilcal divorce. So, what to do when the unbeliever is not won over but becomes emotionally abusive in his unbelief? Complicated, I know.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Sounds to me like she did the right thing. She separated herself without filing for divorce, and because he filed for divorce, he is the unbeliever who left the marriage (1 Cor 7:11 & 15-16). There is no fellowship of Light with darkness, and for this reason God's wisdom instructs us not to be unequally yoked (vs 14).


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Ms Dee 5 years ago from Texas, USA

Thanks for encouraging thoughts! Actually, he asked for divorce ... but made HER file for it! Amen, no fellowship with light and darkness! That's a great description for it from the Word :)


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Yep, in reality, a man who knows he has a good thing and one he can scripturally abuse by the letter of the law feels empowered to 'lord' it over her, though he has no faith. To me, that is Satanic oppression. I had an abusive husband who was raised by oppressive religion, at that. Domestic abuse is never okay, and he wouldn't file for divorce either. I was not going to remain enslaved by the letter of the law. God's grace is greater, and I praise God He loves me and set me free. In my repentance, I will never get myself in that situation again. I have remained single ever since, and I am content. God bless you!!


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christ4ever 5 years ago from a life in sin saved by the Lord's grace - we are blessed with the ministry in Florida & Georgia

Hello my dearest "daughter". I had missed this one earlier but wanted to note that you've done justice in glorifying the Lord again (as usual)! You exemplify the point of this topic about the Ladies being involved in ministry -PTL. I've linked this great piece to the spin I just did on the similar subject: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/APOSTLES-W...

Keep up the fine work in getting our Lord's Word out to the masses! Peace and with His blessings always... Rev.Ted


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christ4ever 5 years ago from a life in sin saved by the Lord's grace - we are blessed with the ministry in Florida & Georgia

P.S. - Good video too on Pastor Scott! She and her husband (now with the Lord) have excellent ministries and I like that she has the background in all those languages to reflect in her work. It adds so many more layers of depth and meaning when "digging deep" into Holy Scripture.

Also noted, what you and the other Lady's have reflected above i.e.: how men have manipulated the "Word of God" to their own means.

“Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." (Deuteronomy 12:32 KJV)


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi christ4ever! I got to read some of your hub this morning and found it very encouraging. It has a lot of wonderful information, and I hope to get to finish it soon!! I did question what 'eagalitarian' meant in reference to Jesus' ministry. I have had encounters with a hubber who is 'Eagalitarian', in that he believes the Holy Spirit is the mother of Jesus (in a sense), though I believe the Holy Spirit is Father God, manifest in the flesh of His Son, Jesus Christ. But, that's a topic he and I have gone 'round and 'round about.

Yes, women (married or not) have been oppressed from utilizing the power of God (by His Spirit) for centuries. If the 'curse' to Eve was that her husband rule over her, that curse is lifted, in Jesus' name!

It was interesting to read what you had to say about the writings of Paul. It's evident the English language has botched understanding of the Holy Bible enough, and additions and deletions have historically been made to the scriptures (i.e. the Johannine Comma added by Erasmus; the removal of Enoch) ~ decisions made by the councils of mere men, who were NOT even listed in the Bible as 'apostles' with that type of 'authority'.

While there have been latter-day 'prophetesses' (i.e. Ellen G. White, Mary Baker Eddy) that have falsely interpreted the scriptures and their own 'enlightenment' of them, there are plenty of men (i.e. Joseph Smith, Muhammad, Charles Taze Russel, L. Ray Smith, etc.) that have done some serious damage as well. Goes to show you, gender has really nothing to do with it.

I look forward to studying the women you have written about in your hub. Character studies would be awesome to write about for each one. I admire Melissa Scott, for she exemplifies 2 Tim 2:15!!

Thank you again for your edification in the Lord and support of His liberation for women (married or not) in Christ!!


bill wilson 5 years ago

carie-after 73 years, you have caused mr to take a different look at my religion. Sister may GOD bless an be with you in aall things. Love in christ.--------Bill


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Glory be to God, bill wilson :-) Thank you kindly, dear brother. I can see the love of Christ in you, for you let His Light shine on you and permeate your heart and soul. I praise Him with you!!


David 5 years ago

May I ask if you have any post concerning marriage and divorce. Specifically for someone who was married 15 years ago and has been divorced for over 10 years, all prior to becoming a Christian. Am I still bound or may I remarry?


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Dave (I had to add one more verse to this comment, so I denied my first one ~ so you know!); this is what the Lord laid on my heart to write to you:

Galatians 5 is entitled “Walk by the Spirit”. The word ‘circumcision’ here is the choice to be a Jew and follow the Law of Moses. By choosing to be made ‘self-righteous’ by the Law they could not master (for if they could, Jesus would not have been born a Jew to keep the Law perfectly to fulfill ALL that God required, thus fulfilling the Old Covenant), they actually NULLIFY (make VOID) the New Covenant in the blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ. The Covenant is eternal; just the conditions of the Covenant have changed. The Covenant is joining man to God through the agency of a Mediator, which once was the Law through Moses, but is now only through the Lord Jesus Christ (Gal 3:19). In Christ, we are made the righteousness of God (2 Cor 5:21) by faith working through love (Gal 5:6).

Now, the latter part of the chapter talks about not taking the grace of God for granted. We choose to serve the flesh or the Spirit (Rom 6:16). When you are saved you become the “Bride” of Christ (John 2 latter half – God is jealous for you! and read Ex 34:14). He is faithful to you and you must be faithful to Him; abide in His Word and do not fornicate (spiritually or physically). Consider the first commandment; and look at Jude 1:4 “For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness [sexual freedom] and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.”

The reason Paul states in vs. 18 “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law” is because the Law was added because of transgressions (sin) – Gal 3:19. You now have the power to say NO to transgressions through your rebirth in Christ and the regeneration He brings. God puts His law in your heart. Consider the faith of Abraham who did not have the Law of Moses (400 years apart). He obeyed what God told him to do. This is the “work of faith” mentioned in James 2:26. Most importantly, one born of the Spirit will bear the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23), not sowing to and reaping of the deeds of the flesh (Gal 5:24; 6:8). I hope this is helpful.


David 5 years ago

Yes we do have the power to say no but we are human and we too just like Abraham, Moses, David all gave into temptations at one time, Abraham slept with another woman other than his wife. We know that was adultery because in Genesis it tells us what marriage was meant to be from the beginning of mankind. Adam didn't commit adultery, fornication or drunkenness, he disobeyed God, and look what mankind inherited for that. Some say, Abraham didnt have the law, no he had the spirit of God, just like all of us who are not Jewish, we dont know the torah but he said he'd right the law in our hearts. But we sometimes fail but he is quick to forgive if we are sincere. If we look and judge people by their fruit then there is not a person in this world that is going to heaven, there is not on person that can claim to produce good fruit 100% of the time. Our work will however tell us where we are spiritually, are we in the spirit or the flesh? We will know because the flesh is always manifest, whether it be some simple temper fit or whatever, because the fruit (singular) of the spirit produces all those characters Paul talks about in Galatians 5. We know christians do sin, so we know then that they are walking in the flesh because the spirit cannot sin even the most smallest of sins. Just a thought I had. Thanks for your reply :)

dave


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Dave, Yes, men of God sinned throughout the Bible and they suffered the consequences. Those men of God also repented of those sins and did not remain in them. Sincere repentance means to turn away from that sin, not take advantage of God’s grace. Abraham did not commit adultery under the law of the day (if your wife was barren, a man could conceive a child through the hand-maiden). He did, however, lie to say Sarah was his sister (twice).

As far as fruit goes, it is God who bears the fruit through us. We may or may not recognize how our faith in Him has grown; we won’t know the lives we’ve touched until the Day of reward. As the branches of His tree, God prunes us to bear more fruit (John 15:2), so when we go through ‘testing’ or set-backs we can rejoice that God is keeping us fruitful (humble and dependent on Him).

Romans 7:15-8:1 is a comforting passage about the war that goes on between the flesh and the Spirit. To DESIRE to do right and HATE our own sin is what should be manifest in our hearts. We acknowledge the Law is good. We as Christians will not be perfectly sinless in any works we do; it’s all about a heart of repentance and faith in Christ. Until we are resurrected in new, immortal bodies ~ then, we will we be sinless as He is sinless. The good news is, while we are in Christ as new creatures, sin will not have dominion over us (Rom 6:14).


David 5 years ago

Very good, I liked that ,especially the Romans 7:15-8 part, you see I was raised to believe that if a person committed any sin that was listed in Galatians 5, he simply missed it and did not truly get saved. The church I grew up in would not accept repentance per say. If you were to remain a member of that church you needed to be saved. They simply believe you never were saved to begin with. There are several of us that grew up in that church that suffered divorces when we grew up, most of us were in our 20's early 30's when divorced hit us. Only just a few of the children that grew up in that church remain today. Most of us believed we were never really saved so we lived a life of sin. I'm 45 now and have spent all of my adulthood in sin, drinking, fornication and so on. About 3 yrs ago I started dating a woman that was a christian and I started going to church and confessed getting saved but the doctrines of my past has tormented me. One I could never remarry, two I lusted, three I got angry sometimes, so the list goes on and on so its been a struggle for me the past 3 yrs. At times I have wanted to just quit and give up but those old spiritual songs seem to be written in my heart. Because he lives, How great tho art, and so on.

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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Awe...bless your HEART, Dave! Yes, the Adversary worked through legalistic doctrines of men when Jesus was on the earth, when you and I were kids (I'm 46) and still does! The damage caused, the Lord Jesus understands, and He is bringing healing through the truth. Certainly, if a person lives consistently in the sins of the flesh without conscience, without repentance, he is most likely not saved. Salvation means regeneration, but I know you know that.

It sounds like you read the Bible and those old songs of faith ring true in your very soul to this day; thank God you haven't given up! I hope I have given you some comfort and hope. It's never too late to get on the path to truth and experience the full love of the Lord (His embrace, His love, His 'parenting', His 'Husbandship', His Shepherding, His provision, His miracles, His healing, His salvation, His life and Light...oh, I could go on!!) I invite you to stay with me; read some more of my hubs, which I pray will BLESS you in your walk with Him. Just click on my name next to my lion/lamb photo (Judah's Daughter) and that will take you to my home page. It is a JOY to have communicated with you here. He loves you!! And, I can tell, you love Him.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

By the way, Dave ~ I've been where you've been. I messed up royally and felt hopeless; I felt I was being punished/rejected by God and had my years of living in sin. He just healed my heart a little over two years ago (March 2009) and I'm doing my best in His power to stay on His path of life. Here's a hub I wrote to minister to those that are where you and I have been: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Walk-of-Sh... I pray you are truly comforted. God bless you!


Dave 5 years ago

Thank you for the nice words. You know I was one of the many thousands that lost everything in the fallout of the mortgage banking industry, I have owned a company for over 15 yrs, I lost everything, at first I was angry, my you I didnt go to church when it started happening. But early on I was angry, then the anger turned into seeing that it had to happen for my sake :) then it turned into empathy and sadness for those who are hurting and loosing their homes, I am single but there are so many with kids loosing there homes that it just kills my soul, then came the thoughts of those divorced and the sadness I feel for those going through it, I know those feeling have to be from Christ because I never felt this kind of empathy for people before, it amazes me at times, then at times I go back to wondering because of my weakness, if there is a weak link , I'm sad to say its me :( But, I believe in keeping on going and one day He'll give me the strength. Sometimes I wonder if my weakness is not for my benefit to help to realize just how much I and the world need Jesus.

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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Wow, Dave again! I just love your testimony ~ I'm drawn to the verse found in Rev 12:11 "And they overcame him [the Adversary] because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death."

I recently commented on one of my other hubs as follows (which you have confirmed): "When believers go through trials and tribulation, the fruit bourne is compassion for others who are tried in like ways. For those who don't truly believe, trials and tribulations are used as excuses to birth more wrath on the world ~ especially believers, who have something they can never obtain by carnal means. James 4:2 comes to mind: "You want what you don't have, so you scheme and kill to get it. You are jealous of what others have, but you can't get it, so you fight and wage war to take it away from them. Yet you don't have what you want because you don't ask God for it."

I was unemployed for over a year and I am a single parent (single for 11 years now), a home-owner too. Out of that trying time (and I'm yet still in it, as my current job ends in six weeks...) I wrote the hub "Jesus, WAKE UP!" http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/JESUS-WAKE...

God sent a 'messenger of Satan to buffet Paul' and it was in order to keep him from becoming prideful (2 Cor 12:7) ~ to remember his fallen state and to be thankful for his salvation ~ keeping him dependent on the Lord. It was Paul who wrote, "And He has said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.' Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me." You sound like him, praise God.

We have to be broken as a wild horse is broken, in order for our Lord to guide us in His path. Faith is about not seeing where the Master is taking us, but trusting He is leading us in the path of righteousness, for His name's sake (Ps 23). He is the Potter and we are the clay (Is 64:8); amen.


David 5 years ago

Just thinking about it makes tears come to my eyes. When I realized just how hopeless I am and a human being, it made me appreciate what the cross really means to us all. Its not about me at all but all about him. I just love those 3 big words, I AM. The most 3 powerful and loving words in the entire universe. How amazing He truly is, is people would realize that he free's us from the bondage of sin and understood that, instead of being preached to that you have to do this, you can't do that to be saved, more and more people would want his saving Grace. It's truly remarkable. I know I ramble alot and I thank you for your kind words, I'm just a struggling person that seems like constantly is fighting the doubts about my own salvation. Sometimes is hard not to when you've been raised to believe is what you do and not what the great I AM did for us all.. The absolute truth is that if any christian will earnestly look at his life, even after he got saved, he will realize that even his best just isn't good enough to make through the gates of heaven. Pride wants us to think we're good enough so we make our little rules of what we have to do and not do to make it in. It doesnt work that way, the mosiac law proved that, he can never do it even on our best days, we still would come up short. I love that verse you quoted, His grace is sufficient. :)


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Brother Dave, your heart is right before the Lord. Two passages are coming to mind:

Luke 18:11-14 "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.' But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!' I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Rev 3:17 "Because you [the Church] say, 'I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,' and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see."

Gold refined in the fire is our faith that is tried and refined, more precious than gold (1 Pet 1:7). White garments is the righteousness of Christ in us (Rev 19:8). Eye salve is that we can see these spiritual truths, no longer blinded by the Adversary's fog (2 Cor 4:4).

Just know you can come to Jesus in prayer because of His blood ~ because of His mercy and grace. He loves your humble heart and thankfulness for what He's done. You have the greatest gift of compassion. He will do great things through moldable clay, which He cannot do with a hardened heart. God bless you, brother.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Brother Dave, there are two more hubs I believe will give you great insight and comfort:

Freedom From Doctrinal Abuse: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/From-Abuse...

Reglion versus Salvation: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Religion-v...

I've walked in your shoes and the Lord ministered to me, so I am blessed to minister His love to you.


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lionswhelp 5 years ago

Nice Hub, keep up the good (God's) work.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, lionswhelp ~ we stand united in the truth of God's Word regarding females and women and their very important roles in spreading the gospel and as wives (both to their earthly, godly husband and their heavenly Husband); praise God!


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lionswhelp 5 years ago

That's truthfully for sure, Genesis 3:15, John 3:16 - This one man born from a woman with God as His Father makes the difference!


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

Judah’s Daughter, I am wondering if you and I are on the same page here, or if you are pages ahead of me as usual.

Now no body (no body the commenter not nobody) said this: I know that if a husband gives his cover or the pastor, a woman is fully charged before the Lord to teach, admonish, minister and serve in the church. Indeed there are places where the only one commissioned by the Lord in an assembly is a woman. I do believe that God will raise up a man for her "cover". You are empowered my sister for this ministry and I support you in prayer.

I’m not sure a husband can “give” his cover. A pastor giving his cover it seems to me is irrelevant in terms of what the verses say. I think a woman married to a believing man is obligated to be under submission to that man. For example, the woman could be assistant/associate pastor if the man is pastor. Now as for a woman who is not married, I believe that her “cover” is Christ, the same as a man. I do not believe that God must raise up a man for her “cover” as no body (no body the commenter not nobody) mentions.

Do you agree with what I just said? If not, why not?

Dagnabbit, Judah’s Daughter, I’m trying to watch the Red Sox game. And you got me multitasking and thinking about all this other stuff.

Oh, and I didn’t forget about our discussion about fallen angels and giants and the like on your hub. Not hardly. I got in a call to Armaros on a certain matter, and I’m waiting for his response before I reply to you again. You would not believe the difficulty I had in reaching him. Quite the long long distance call. And the operator couldn’t find the area code for that place where he is at first.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi there, my buddy BLACKANDGOLDJACK! Haven't you heard? Armaros has been on death row forever (2 Pet 2:4-5; Jude 1:6)...He's not allowed calls - serious grounding! His kids are still running rampant, causing all kinds of havoc, just like their dad...I think they're on some kind of probation or something, 'cause everytime they get 'caught', they beg the Probation Officer not to send them to visit their dad...(Luke 8:31)

I'd say I agree with your take on females in the ministry; however, think of this scenario: an unmarried woman has been walking in her calling to preach (concerned about the things of the LORD), then the LORD leads her to marry a male that may not be called to preach. Her husband then blesses her to continue in that calling and therefore, she does.

If, however, they've discussed this prior to marriage and the husband-to-be tells her she must step down from her calling, she has to first and foremost seek the LORD's will. It may be she's not to marry and give up the calling to preach. It could be God's called her to be a wife and mother (being concerned for the things of the world and how she might please her husband). In all cases, the husband and wife (both before and after marriage) must submit to the will of the LORD and not hinder the Spirit in one another.

That's my take...


lionswhelp 5 years ago

Amen to that JD.

Ephesians 5:21 We are to submit to one another in fear of God.

That cover nonsense isn't anywhere in 1 Corinthians 11:13. The cover here isbspeaking about a woman's hair as her covering. A woman's real covering is Jesus Christ in that he gave his life for her just as he gave it for a man. The Church of God has no such teaching, 1 Corinthians 11:16. With the power of the Holy Spirit in her a woman can very well stand on her own two feet in Christ Jesus in faith, Galatians 3:1-9,23-29.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Yes, I actually went to check the Greek on Eph 5:21 ~ just another blessing as you know that I believe Yeshua is Yehovah...the word 'Christos' is actually used where 'God' is translated in the KJV. We are to submit [subject ourselves] to one another in fear [phobo - fear, terror, reverence] of Christ, (who is God) amen.

The 'covering', I feel is in direct correlation to Christ being 'the Savior of the body' spiritually, as the husband is to be (in reflection of Him). Considering the gifts and call of the LORD are irrevocable (Rom 11:29), why a husband-to-be or a husband would stifle the gifts and calling in his wife is beyond me. Is this exalting his 'throne' above the throne of God? aka PRIDE. I think of Abigail in 1 Samuel 25! Any husband that does not submit to God, though his wife does, best watch out...

Speaking of authority; there is only One Authority. Male, female, husband, wife, Jew, Greek, slave, free-man - all are given the gift of the Holy Spirit upon salvation and by God's Authority we speak. If any are speaking from the flesh, the flesh should indeed be silenced. This nicely compliments the Galatians passages given. Thank you, lionswhelp.


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lionswhelp 5 years ago

That's okay JD, It's Christ blood that covers us all.

The verb submit is not in verse 22 in the original account and should actually read, "wife to the husband and husband to the wife in the Lord."


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Yes, I noticed that, too! It is apparent that when text didn't seem to develop enough in a verse, those who translated it just filled it in with what they felt it should say. That's why I usually check out the Hebrew and Greek whenever there is a need to further clarify something. If the word 'submit' is not there, it shouldn't have been translated that way, in my opinion...blessings to you.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

I was curious about Deborah the judge. I wondered what his role was. I came across this, which I found interesting:

Here is what Rav Holisa Alewine of Israelnet.TV says of Deborah/D’Vorah from an article she wrote on “Women in Ministry.”

“The first Tanakh picture of a woman anointed as a judge and military leader is contained in Judges 4:4-5:31. D’vorah is raised up to be a hero in Israel among the likes of judges such as Gideon, Sampson and Joshua. To view her according to the pattern [2], we see her in Scriptures in this order; a wife, a judge over Israel, a co-commander of Israel’s army. Once her marriage relationship to Lappidoth is established, the next role is that of a judge over Israel, a role corresponding to an elder. In order to judge, D’vorah must have studied, applied, lived and taught Torah, for no judge is to apply Adonai’s rulings in judgment without a thorough knowledge of Torah. Since there is no mention of corruption during her tenure, we cannot assume that she is one of the many unrighteous judges of that epoch who applied the Torah with partiality. Also noted is that she sought after for her judgments, so the Israelites must have been willing to accept her authority and Torah scholarship regardless of any cultural norms.

Men and woman are created to function in spiritual submission to one another, fulfilling the purposes of YHVH in unity. D’Vorah submits the leadership of the physical battle to Barak, Barak in turn submits to D’vorah’s tactical instructions and leadership gift endowed by YHWH. We can learn from her wisdom in handling the issue of gender that woman should be sensitive to community perception of her roles. Her response to her anointing is not arrogance or an attempt to domineer over Barak, but willingness to share the mission and its blessings according to the Edenic pattern. Although sensitive to cultural norms, she does not, however, refuse the mission because of gender issues. She recognizes God’s calling as higher than that of her cultural role. In this example of a man and woman answering the higher call, we have an excellent Biblical picture of the example we should follow; a woman submitted to her husband or male covering, allowed and encouraged to operate in her anointing. There is mutual submission, just as Paul encouraged husbands and wives to do.”


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

This is powerful, BLACKANDGOLDJACK! It confirms all that is being discussed here and the biblical truth revealed. We see a 'cultural' element, which is confirmed in Paul's statement in 1 Cor 14:34, yet we definitely see D'vorah's role as representative of the Church, Lappidoth/Barak (same individual ~ her husband) enabling and blessing her to glorify the LORD in her calling.

Unfortunately, we have many churches out there that seek to dominate women and put them 'in their place', rather than rejoice in how the LORD can and will bless the body through them. It's simply SAD. And it's not just in the churches, but in the homes. So, we raise little boys and girls that grow up to follow (or rebel against) the same 'traditional culture'. Those who rebel believe they are rebelling against GOD, when indeed the LORD may very well be using them to rebel against the LIE. Let's crush Satan's head together!!

I really appreciate what you've shared, BLACKANDGOLDJACK. What a gem!!


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

Judah’s Daughter, I find this hub and the comments of utmost concern. They touch on issues that should be of considerable relevance to most anyone who claims to be Christian, which is what, around 75% of the U.S. population perhaps. Then you have the statistic that a large percentage of marriages end in divorce. Sure I like to discuss the fallen angels and the giants and the 7th trump and who are the two witnesses and all that, but these issues like divorce and remarriage and scriptural qualifications of a pastor touch most every Christian’s life in one way or another. What Christian doesn’t have a divorce/remarriage personal experience pertaining to either him or herself or a family member or friend? Many Christians look to a pastor for answers. The pastor better be right with God if he/she is going to be dishing out advice. I thought the advice you gave David was spot on.

God will not be mocked. Some who call themselves Christians are mocking God with respect to divorce and remarriage. Some who call themselves pastors are mocking God with respect to, not to mention the advice they give the flock, what they do in their own personal lives.

What I mean by the pastor being right with God of is outlined in Titus and 1Timothy 3. He (or she!) has one wife (I can’t wait to see who you get for a wife), is sober, has faithful children, etc. Titus 1:9, “Holding fast to the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers” obviously is crucial. Also rather important is 1Timothy 3:7, “Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.”

Stories, I have stories. We all know about the Catholic priests and molestation. The pastor of a Methodist church a couple blocks from where I live got busted for child porn and attempting to solicit sex from a minor on the internet. These people have to know they are doing wrong. I’m thinking more of people who blatantly violate scriptural principles and try to rationalize it away with nonsense. It is like they are an alcoholic in denial.

I know a pastor very well. Let’s call him Pastor Bob. He has had a mistress for more than 10 years. When I rebuked him his response went in two directions. First, he mentioned that his wife is an invalid in a wheelchair and that they have not been intimate for many years. True enough. Then he told me the story of the Old Testament patriarchs and their multiple wives and concubines. Now his son (I was best man at his son’s wedding) broached the subject with his mother. I didn’t ask him what exactly what was said, but the gist was that if something was amiss with the marital situation, she did not want to know about it.

Where do you think Pastor Bob stands with God? So far. This is only the tip of the iceberg. The rest of the story will make you regurgitate. A lot of Bible verses, among other things.

Judah's Daughter, you being Judah's daughter, I thought you might have special insight into the matter of the patriarchs' hanky-panky, what with your father getting it on with Tamar and all.


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lionswhelp 5 years ago

It is interesting that many evangelicals that are patriarchal will usually leave out verse 21 and start with verse 22.

I guess this is one more reasons why so many people will be tested in Revelation 7:9-17. They just keep insisting on their wrong ways.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi BLACKANDGOLDJACK! Wow ~ what an excellent commentary. For me to be a pastor, I think I would remain single ~ no 'wife' for me!! lol

I wonder if it's the 'legalistic' churches that enforce a type of 'keeping the LAW' (their law) that birth such hidden sin and hypocrisy. I mean, look at the Jews attempting to keep every one of the 613 Jewish mitvot? Catholics, for a very long time, forbade marriage! 1 Tim 4:1-3 calls this 'demonic teachings' through 'hyprocritical liars' with 'seared consciences'.

When I had an enounter with a young man studying to 'become' a Jehovah's Witness a couple of weeks ago, he pulled out his chew...and told me he was told he'd have to give that up to be a 'Witness'. What if he doesn't? He would have to 'hide' it, wouldn't he? That's what the Jews did, too. Hide the sin, show a false perfection, judge and advise the people, though they themselves were the worst of hypocrites. Jesus called them 'of their father, the devil' and certainly called them 'hypocrites'!

I think people in the pulpit just need to get real and admit they, too are sinners and we're all there to focus on God's Word and to pray for one another. I've had the privilege of accompanying a sober alcoholic friend to AA a few times and I never felt the Spirit of God so strongly. Sober alcoholics were encouraging those who were overcoming their addiction. COMPASSION is the WORD!! Humility is the WORD!! There's NO WAY I could partake of the ministry in the 'churchianity' of today, for I know I fall short of their expectations. I rely on compassion and the grace of God to see me through daily.

Tamar was Judah's daughter-in-law...lol I am the Daughter of the Lion of Judah ~ the LORD, Jesus Christ ~ my Husband, my Savior, my Redeemer, my God. I'm thankful I feel His love, for He is the LIFELINE to my soul.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi lionswhelp, yes ~ Eph 5:21 is the foundational concept of the following verses. It's just like Satan to twist certain choice verses out of context to oppress the mighty women of God. And yes, Satan and his followers will be JUDGED on that Day. I pray people will choose to repent from such teachings and fight for the TRUTH in these last days.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

You know, this Pat Robertson story in the news recently reminds me of the Pastor Bob story I told the other day. Robertson said a man divorcing a spouse because she has Alzheimers is justifiable since the disease is a kind of death.

My question is where do you stop making exceptions? And who has the authority to make an exception to the Word? I mean, besides the infallible Pope.

Hey, Judah’s Daughter, of course I knew Tamar was Judah’s daughter-in-law. What, do you think I’m a biblical bimbo? Thanks for sending me your pic. I see the Rogaine you have liberally been applying above your upper lip is working quite well.

Judah didn’t have a daughter that I am aware of. I mean, other than you. I was going to tell you that I found the name of Judah’s daughter in the Bible and ask if you knew what it was. I visualized you searching the scriptures for hours trying to find it, with no success. But no, I just couldn’t do it. I’m mean as a snake, but not that mean. Then, when you couldn’t find it, I was going to tell you that her name is Shelah. Shelah is the son of Judah who was supposed to marry Tamar. But did you know Shelah had a sex change operation, and that is the real reason that “she” did not marry Tamar? Ha, I thought not.

This all came to me in a vision after I recently met a woman named Shelah. I know she spells it the same way because she has a new business and I saw her name on the advertisements. I haven’t asked her yet how she got the name. She doesn’t seem like a Christian-type lady at first glance, but who knows, I can’t really tell until if and when I delve into her soul. Or is that spirit?

This leads nicely into my next Pastor Bob story, which will be entitled “How Uncle Jeff Became Aunt Vicky.” Coming soon, and totally true.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi BLACKANDGOLDJACK, It would be most respectful, regarding Pat Robertson, to provide a link or some sort of verification that he stated such a thing. All Christians would know this is not biblical teaching. I get your comment about the 'infallible Pope' (you might want to read more of my hubs that address the gross error of Catholic teaching and practices): i.e. "Should You Believe in the Trinity? 1 of 2", "ROCK OF OFFENSE", "The Bible Reveals When Jesus Was Born", etc. etc. etc.

I certainly know you are not a bible BIMBO. You probably know more of the Bible than I, as a matter of fact (am glad to know you challenged your indoctrinators, too).

Thank you for the compliment on my wool! :-) baaaa baaaa

Regarding you being 'mean as a snake', I bet Mat 10:16 applies to you! :-)

Regarding Shelah, I'm glad you read my hub on the subject :-) I'm sure you'll give your 'Shelah' much to 'contemplate', utilizing her "Soul, Spirit, Mind and Heart" ~ or might s/he do the same for you? (hope you read my response to you on that one).


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

Well, you know much I like to be most respectful. Did you try mustache wax for the wool? Vaseline works pretty good too.

"Pat Robertson infuriates Christian faithful with Alzheimers comments"

http://www.latimes.com/news/pat-robertson-alzheime...

I was just thinking "Catholic" last night, as I read your hub on homosexuality and fondly remembered a priest I graduated from high school with. I plan on posting on that hub of course. You have so many great hubs! You are going to keep me busy and out of trouble for a very long time. "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church" rocks.

Well, I'm going to have to "interrogate" Shelah when her boyfriend is not around. His name is Buster and he is really big. A giant in fact. You know, maybe I should talk to them both together and insist on him revealing his family tree.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Wow ~ thanks for giving the link regarding Pat Robertson's comment. Has he never seen 'The Notebook'? Though 'Christianity' was not a part of that movie, love certainly was. How precious a story.

I am honored that you are reading and finding so many of my hubs scripturally sound, considering all the bible/theology education you've had, BLACKANDGOLDJACK. It's incredible how so many attend theology schools and miss the truth of the Word! Can't see the forest through the trees? I shared with my parents that if I ever do go to theology college, I will make sure I KNOW the Bible as thoroughly as possible FIRST. My hub "From Doctrinal Abuse to Freedom" covers a little more on bent-theologies out there.

Better wear your helmet of salvation and holy armor when you confront Shelah and the giant ~ unless he's a Giant, of course. In that case, bring your best BIG BAT of Jesus' love with you, and pray for a heavenly home run!


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

Oh, so now we are talking about movies?

Well, I think we should relate them to the subjects we have been discussing, like the subject matter of this hub and other ones like your “FLEE FORNICATION!"

Yes, I have seen “The Notebook.” I tend to watch a movie once. I mean, once you’ve seen it, why watch it again? It’s not like I can’t remember what happened. This is one of my daughter’s fav movies, and she will watch it over and over. I must say, in review of this chick flick, I wouldn’t kick Rachel McAdams out of bed, if I was still fornicating.

And James Garner is one of my favorite actors ever. Now I don’t know anything about his own personal walk with God, or lack thereof, but did you know he has been married to the same woman for more than 50 years? This must be extremely difficult for Hollywood types due to everything Satan has available to tempt such ones with. And Garner served in the same Army unit that I did, years later. He received a couple Purple Hearts for being wounded. I’m pretty gung ho about those who have served in the military. And, he did have a relationship with the flying nun in “Murphy’s Romance” I might add. I’ve always had fantasies about nuns. It must be the uniform.

Another broken heart tear jerker is “The Last Song.” So my daughter is reading the book a year or so ago, and she’s getting all into it, and she says, “Dad, you have to read this book.” So I did. I really liked the book, better than the movie. Hey, I’ll watch chick flicks. I got my daughter watching football and hockey. Quid pro quo. Although I bought her a new Bible and a cook book for her birthday, and that was last January, and she hasn’t turned a page in either one of those to date.

Listen to this. So last night I got the beer chilled and I’m all ready to watch the Red Sox at the Yankees. But it gets rained out. I’m totally bummed, and I start channel surfing. I stumble across “The Scarlet Letter” with Demi Moore. Like I said, I’m gung ho about the military, especially someone like her in “G.I. Jane” if I was still fornicating. I don’t care of she’s bald or not. Hair, or lack thereof, is not the most important redeeming quality I might seek in a woman. Mustaches on the face of a fox can be an asset rather than a liability. Anyway, I had just read the book “The Scarlet Letter” (again) last spring because my daughter was studying it in school, and she indicated she might need my help with it. That is some book. Not as good as the Bible though.

Okay, I gotta go. Red Sox at the Yankees just started. There is a player on the Red Sox who reminds me of Jesus, and a player on the Yankees who reminds me of Lucifer.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Some awesome things to know about James Garner. Sounds like he played the real him in the movie! How old are you anyhow? He served in the same Army unit you did, years later? You surely have a youthful spirit bouncing through your writing ~ or did you mean 'years earlier'? lol I'll have to read 'The Last Song' ~ or least rent the movie. Hopefully, your daughter will get into the Bible soon ~ it's amazing to me how much my daughter remembers of what I've taught her, even in conversations. She, too, doesn't just sit and read the Bible on her own, though. God has gifted her with wisdom; that I know. She actually ministers to me many a time.

Good thing baseball doesn't have cheering nuns, or you might get distracted from the battlefield! lol


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Tricia Ward 4 years ago from Scotland

Fantastic Hub, Have you ever read Why Not Women? by Loren Cunningham and David Hamilton - I would recommend it it speaks of some of the things you mention here. Well done.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Praise God! Thank you, Tricia Ward! I have made a note to order this book! I am so blessed for confirmation. May God bless you with abundant LOVE ~ you sister in Christ, JD.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Hmm. I don't think there is really anything "equal" about men and women. Taken as a whole, they have many differences and unique abilities.

God did not make men and women equal - lawyers did. I do not see where woman was made in God's image. If anything she was an after-thought who was designed to be a companion to Adam, one which was to be dominated by him as stated in Scripture. She was the one tempted by the Devil. Satan could not tempt Adam, but he could tempt Eve who then tempted Adam.

You opened with a poetic thought " "The woman was made of a rib out of the side of Adam; not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be beloved."

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I think your opening thought is like the beer commercial which states "Tastes great" but in spiritual and Biblical terms is "Less filling".

If women are equal to men, why was she created the "weaker vessel" and why is she to remain quiet in church; to be submissive to her husband, not to teach men and so on and so forth? Why is man made for God's glory and woman for man's, as stated in Scripture?

It is also likely that man and woman were not created on the same literal day. I cannot imagine God rushing to create Adam, have him name all the animals and everything else and in the same 24-hour period grow lonely for a companion. I just cannot see it happening that way.

I believe the Almighty enjoyed His time with Adam and was in no hurry to rush into the creation of woman which inevitabley brought sin into the garden.

I believe the Almighty relished His time with Adam, watching the man He made in His own image discovering life: running, swimming, singing and the whole nine yards. Why ruin a good thing by suddenly throwing a weaker vessel into the mix, which brought about the fall of man. This would destroy everthing I know about our Heavenly Father, who isn't quick to anger any more than he is quick to ruin a tender moment.

By the way, Melissa Scott, the woman preacher you have show-cased above in your video, according to sources, is a former porn star by the name of Barbie Bridges. She was one of the "pretty girls" Dr. Scott brought on his cable t.v. show to increase his ratings. It is said that his affair with her led to his divorce through the act of fornication and adultery.

Upon his death she took over his so-called ministry. She doesn't know anything about Greek, but memorizes his notes before going on air. She makes at least 3 million a year standing in his shoes, which is more than she could make being a porn star. She also, according to sources, had a fling with a married porn star just a couple of years ago, while serving as a so-called minister, which she described as temporarily back-sliding. But, she is a woman, so I guess we must like her and listen to what she has to say. Or not.

Best wishes - L.R.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I can’t believe your male-chauvinist ignorance, LR. I’m only posting your comment for your own consequences. Gen 1:27 “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” Yes, woman is also made in the image of God. Adam did not rule over Eve, until she was cursed with such a discipline. That curse is lifted in Jesus’ Name. Read Gen 1:26 “let them rule”. This does not mean “Let males rule”. In Christ, there is NO distinction between male and female (Gal 3:28).

And, you feel you can judge Melissa Scott based on her pre-salvation status? Matthew 7:2 “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Wow, Judah's Daughter, it sure doesn't take much for you to show your teeth and sink them into a brother's flesh.

Male Chauvanist? Hardly.

What I protect is the word of God, JD, and little else seems to matter. If the word of God said that I should shut my mouth in church...I would do so in a heartbeat. If God said I should lick the dust off high heel shoes...I would not only do it, but I would find a way to relish the flavor!!!

I am not a progressive. I take Scripture for what it says and do not read anything into it, nor do I allow liberal interpretations, progressive yearnings, and wishful thinking to enter into the mix. I do not have a dog in this fight...I only want to know the truth and I only want to do what is right.

Now, back to the point: I do not see many instances where woman and man are equal, compatible perhaps, but I do not see where the Bible specifically says that woman was made in God's image. Let us look at Genesis 1:26-27 (26) "Then God said, 'Let us make [man] in Our image, in Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.' (27) So God created [man] in His own image, in the image of God He created [him]; male and female he created them."

Please notice that the Almighty said thrice that [man] was made in His image and at the very tale end of verse 27, using a semi-colon, which is another complete sentence merged into one, stated male and female He created "them".

The evidence in verse 26 and 27 seem to really resonate that MAN was made in God's image taking into consideration that woman was not made at the same time as man, nor was she created using the same elements or made with the same qualities.

Now if we read 1 Corinthians 11:3, "Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

Then again, please turn to I Corinthians 11:7-8, (7) "A man ought not to cover his head, since [he] is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. (8) For man did not come from the woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man."

So, according to Scripture, and not of my own yearnings, it seems that man was made in God's image and for His glory, while the woman was made for man and was made for man's glory.

I'm am sorry you are so offended by this Biblical perspective. Of course, you probably would have called Paul a male chauvanist as well. Such is life in the church today, where people read what they want and interpret what they want, so they can either make a name for themselves or get the Bible to say what they feel.

If I am in error, you can clearly see where I took a detour. If so, may God forgive me and bring me around. But, as it stands right now, I do not see your perspective as being justifiable. I can also see why you want it to say something that it does not.

And, as far as me being a male chauvanist...well, even if I was, and I'm not admitting to your charge, women don't know about it because I am a world class gentleman and they seem to really dig my style and love the way I treat them. Again, I treat women the way I believe Scripture says they should be treated. In fact, I treat everyone very well, but sometimes something needs to be said and done and I don't mind being seen as the "bad guy" in order to get the job done.

Now, as far as Melissa Scott is concerned, she is a psuedo preacher of a cable t.v. ministry and heir of Dr. Gene Scott's fortune and "private church", which rakes in $3 million dollars per month.

Moreover, I think 1 Timothy 3:2-7 says it all, "Now the overseer must be above reproach, the HUSBAND of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a LOVER OF MONEY. HE must manage HIS own family well and see that HIS children obey HIM with proper respect. If anyone does not know how to manage HIS own family, how can HE take care of God's church. HE must not be a recent convert, or HE may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. HE must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that HE will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap."

Verses 8-12 go on with similar qualifications for deacons as well. So, what we see here, is that it is very clear that God wants MEN in the service of His church and they must have qualities that Melissa Scott does not. Is that being judgmental? Sure it is and it was meant to be. We are further told to test the spirits and to make wise and discearning judgments!

So, if you can show me in Scripture where Melissa qualifies to be a minister of God, let me know...I would love to see it!!!

You also said, " Adam did not rule over Eve, until she was cursed with such a discipline. That curse is lifted in Jesus’ Name." All I can say about this is show me where the Bible specifically states this and I will change my tune. If not, you should change your's.

Best wishes - L.R.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

I truly didn't think you would allow my Scriptural rebuttal to your above response, but even though that may be your prerogative, it does not do much to foster intelligent dialog or help those who seek the truth.

I hope you didn't censor it, because if you did, well, I guess you are not really looking for truth, but only for that which tickles your ears and agrees with your personal politics. If this is not the case and you have just not had the time to approve my response, then please graciously disregard.

JD, I had a few other thoughts that came to mind last night, so if your are open to the aquisition of knowledge and truth, here goes nothing.

You mentioned, "Adam did not rule over Eve, until she was cursed with such a discipline. That curse is lifted in Jesus’ Name."

I find it interesting that you see the order of creation as a "curse" and not as a blessing. And, in fact, in 1 Corinthians 11:3 and 7 we see Paul saying, "Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God." And then again, in verse 7 we read, "A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man."

I hope you see that Paul excluded woman as being made in the image of God and Paul also excluded her as being made for God's glory. She was made for man and for his glory...end of story.

The other point I want to make is that you said this "curse" ended in Jesus' name, but then you fail to realize that Paul wrote 1 Corinthians years after Christ's sacrifice, death, resurrection and ascension, so if I am to believe feminist propaganda I would have to believe that Paul did not receive the same memo that you apparently did.

And of course, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."

So, you see, JD, this has nothing to do with a "curse", as you call it, and it was not lifted because Timothy was also written by Paul and this, too, was well after Christ's sacrifice, death, resurrection and ascension.

Please be careful not to put word's in the Bible's mouth and to pick and choose what you want to believe. As I said before, I do not have a dog in this fight, but I do want to preserve and protect the Word of God as stated by the Almighty through His chosen, so I do not allow selfish desires or personal politics to cloud my judgment. I will go where truth dictates and I do not hope it leads in one direction or the other.

Be careful, JD, for rebelling against the natural order of creation is the spirit of rebellion and is at the very heart of homosexuality, divorce and abortion.

There are those who read Scripture hoping to find mistakes; there are those who read Scripture hoping to find truth and inspiration, while there are yet others who read Scripture hoping it will back up their personal theologies.

Best wishes and be well - L.R.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I have now posted both of your comments, Lone Ranger. If a response to you would take five minutes, great. But, that is not the case here. First of all, I have to wonder if you even read the entirety of this hub? You obviously think this study is merely “liberal interpretation, progressive yearning, and wishful thinking”. Ignorance is bliss, especially if you can read something into males being superior to females, which only serves to exalt your flesh and puff up your pride. If I’m racist and treat people of another race well, it still doesn’t change the fact I am racist. The whole message of Jesus Christ was about superiority, wasn’t it? He was born in lowly Bethlehem; the LORD of Lords humbled Himself to die for His Bride. He was baptized by the least of them, John the Baptist (Luke 7:28). He washed His disciples’ feet.

The whole point of this study is to show how husband (man) and wife (woman) are representative of Christ and the Church. Based on Paul’s criteria of Eph 5:32, this is how 1 Cor 11:3 is to be interpreted. It’s not about gender, for there is no gender, race or servant/master distinction in Christ. The same Spirit poured out on Paul was poured out on Mary Magdalene. Both shared the gospel. The same Spirit poured out on Jews is poured out on Gentiles. Both share the gospel.

Who should keep silent in the Church? Men who have no interpreter (1 Cor 14:28) and wives (1 Cor 14:34), for their husbands are the mouth-piece in the congregation. Silence is the same word in both cases. There are church buildings where believers meet and then there’s the Church made without hands. So all believing women/females are not to spread the gospel? With your theology, that would be the conclusion.

Let’s now do a word study for ‘man/male’ in Gen 1:26-27: The word for ‘man’ is the Hebrew word 120 ‘ha-Adam’. It means mankind or population (male and female). You can see the usages of the word throughout the Bible here: “http://concordances.org/hebrew/120.htm . Verse 27 mentions the word ‘male’, which is the Hebrew word 2145 ‘kar’.

Speaking of males and females not having the same ‘qualities’, may I remind you of 1 Cor 11:11-12 "However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God."

Then again, please turn to I Corinthians 11:7-8, (7) "A man ought not to cover his head, since [he] is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. (8) For man did not come from the woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man." Notice also, that ‘her HAIR was given her for a covering’ (vs 15). Again, the word for ‘man’ in this passage is the Greek word ‘aner’, meaning ‘husband’. Likewise, the word for ‘woman’ is ‘gyne’, meaning wife. Let’s substitute ‘Christ’ for ‘husband’ and ‘Church’ for ‘wife’, okay? “Christ ought not to cover His head, since He is the image and glory of God, but the Church is the glory of Christ. For Christ did not come from the Church, but the Church from Christ; neither was Christ created for the Church, but the Church for Christ.” Husbands and wives are to reflect the relationship of Christ to the Church and vise versa. In no way does the husband become Christ Himself to his wife. Both are the Bride and subject to Christ in all things. Consider Abigail and Nabal (1 Sam 25).

I don’t call Paul a male chauvinist, for he himself clarified that he spoke of the relationship between Christ and the Church (Eph 5:32). The Spirit of God gives us the correct interpretation, in this Light. I believe Paul knew what was in the hearts of authoritarian, prideful males and revealed the 'mystery' for this reason. The Pharisees would be exemplary of such.

So, Melissa Scott is the ‘glory’ of her belated husband and you only have derogatory comments about her? Should he NOT have married her in the first place? If that’s the case, Christ should not have married you either. What have you to say about the female apostles and bond-servants of the Bible? Apostles planted churches, but female apostles shouldn’t teach or preach in them? How ignorant does that sound? As far as male overseers and deacons in the day of Timothy’s writing, what have you to say about Junia, a female Apostle and Phoebe, a female deaconess (Rom 16:1)? In fact, for a greater Biblical education on the ministry of women in the Bible, here’s a great link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/nfe_bibl.htm

There was no mention of Adam ruling over Eve before the fall. That was a curse, not the way God intended THEM to rule over everything. Jesus was born as the ‘last Adam’ (1 Cor 15:45) to nail the Law of sin and death to the cross (Col 2:14)? We, as the Bride of Christ, have been set free from the Law of sin and death (Rom 8:2).

I do not have to debate with you, Lone Ranger. I have written and done my due diligence regarding this matter, and obviously, the results of this doctrinal study are confirmed by others who have studied as well. One day we will stand before the Bridegroom. He knows your heart; He knows mine. We stand on the Word with differing results. I suppose that’s the way it is with the varying interpretations of Scripture, causing division. The LORD unites; He does not divide. In fact, the only division will come on the Day of Judgment: the saved to His right and the lost to His left. Amen.


lionswhelp 4 years ago

Well done JD.

The second Adam, Jesus Christ shares with his wife in sacrifial love, !Corinthians 15:47-49. He actually became a slave for us unto death. We are his Bride, Revelation 22:17. Jesus is not the boss of the woman because the woman is where the Holy Spirit lives in each of us together to make the Bride one with Him,1 Corinthians 3:16;1 Corinthians 12:

13.

Men and women in marriage are to submit one to another, Ephesians 5:21. Both are required to serve each other in marriage in a servant sacrificial way, Ephesians 5:23-33.

However, this submission has nothing to do with other men outside of marriage. In the Spirit we are equal, Galatians 3:28. A good book to read on this matter is J.Lee Grady's book, 25 Tough Questions about Women and the Church. Question 19, says Headship pertains to marriage and is equally a sacrificial service to each one as it was meant to be in Genesis 1:26-28. If Adam had been as loving to his wife Eve as Jesus Is to us his Bride,he would have rescued her from that sneaky snake. However, Jesus came AS PERDICTED, GENESIS 3;15, to restore what was lost in the Garden - perfect harmony and equality. He will return soon to finally set things right again. after, six thousand years of male pagan patriarchy and institutional teachings. We human will finaly get it right. Jesus Christ now shares dual rulership in the church. Jesus is not the boss of the Holy Spirit, Ruach HaKadosh. Later our heavenly Father will also come down and share all things with them and us forever, 2 Corinthians 6:16-18, Matthew 14:23. Get used to it Lone Ranger we are Christ's Bride, so follow Him and love your wife the same way He loves us.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hello lionswhelp, I support everything you've stated here, with exception to your statement, "Jesus is not the boss of the Holy Spirit, Ruach HaKadosh. Later our heavenly Father will also come down and share all things with them and us forever". God is not a 'them', but a 'He', One God. "Now the LORD is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." (2 Cor 3:17). Though we differ on that portion of theology, we agree as to the liberty for women in Christ! Thank you and God bless.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area

No wonder the Lone Ranger’s “help meet” is Tonto.

I’ve been meaning to get back to posting, and the recent comments on this hub did the trick.

Now Lone Ranger says, “So, if you can show me in Scripture where Melissa qualifies to be a minister of God, let me know...I would love to see it!!!”

I’m not sure if he means because of her past or just because she is a woman. Or both.

What was Paul shortly before he was a minister? Right, Saul. If a person is called by God to the ministry and that person has truly repented past transgressions, I don’t see any scriptural prohibitions applying. Being a porn actress isn’t the unforgivable sin, if in fact she was. I’d like to see the flicks and make my own determination. I believe that the ministry qualifications outlined in 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 are directed mostly towards preachers who pound the pulpit and then go and knowingly practice sin every Sunday and most days in between.

Judah’s Daughter, you mentioned Phebe and refer to her as a deaconess. In Romans 16: 1 (KJV: “I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea” the Greek word “diakonos” translated to “servant” should likely have been translated to “minister” like it is frequently elsewhere in the Bible. A few Bible translations do translate the word to “minister” in this verse. The word should perhaps especially be translated to “minister” in light of the next verse (KJV: “That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also. “Succourer” isn’t part of my usual vocabulary, but if you take it back to the Greek far enough it appears it could mean someone who stands before/presides over a church and not just a helper or friend. Could it be that Phebe preached a sermon before a congregation and that Paul attended? I wonder if Phebe preached naked like Melissa is rumored to have done.

And then, J.D., you mention the female apostle Junia, who also makes an appearance in Romans 16. Or is that the male apostle Junias, as some would have us believe? That controversy is fascinating. Personally, I chalk it up to male chauvinism on the part of various translators.

Yeah, I do think any man who points to verses like those in 1 Timothy 2 and insists that no woman can preach in a church is a male chauvinist. Of course I am not a male chauvinist. I even think women should play football. I find the Lingerie Bowl intriguing. Now in my opinion, what rattled Paul’s cage was a bunch of women who were “chattering” in a church service. Why, that would be enough to piss off the Pope.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Ah, my heart rejoiced to see you, BLACKANDGOLDJACK! So GOOD to hear from you! I'm not so frustrated with Lone Ranger, the person, for he exhibits teachability, usually. I'm frustrated with the indoctrination that poisons the message of Christ and His Church. May we always be teachable and not despise teaching ~ especially when it comes from a female, amen!!

Excellent point about Paul's conversion and calling.

I looked up the Greek word for deacon/servant/minister found in 1 Timothy 3:12, and it is #1249 "diakonos" - here we are told that he must be the husband of one wife, etc. Then, I looked up the word, used in reference to Phoebe/Phebe (YLT) in Romans 16:1 and.....you guessed it! The very same word #1249. Do you think Phoebe was the husband of one wife? lol

So how does the Strongs Exhaustive Concordance define this Greek word? "specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess) -- deacon, minister, servant." This word is used in singular form (diakonon) and plural (diakonoi), as applicable to the context. Now, if Phoebe just ministered to women, that would be one thing, but Paul, himself, admits she ministered to him!! I find it so 'un-chauvinistic' of Paul to mention so many women in Romans 16, don't you?

And, speaking of Junia/Junias ~ the KJV is supposedly the oldest and most accurate translation of the Scriptures and it uses the feminine word, Junia.

As far as Paul's instruction for women to keep silent in the ekkleesiais (worhipping congregation), he specifically states, 'as the law also says'...that 'law' is not in the Law of Moses, nor the 10 Commandments. It must have been a practiced 'law' of the Corinthian congregation or their community ~ perhaps extending beyond the believing congregation (i.e. political, legal and business gatherings). Paul's consistent message was about not offending the unbelieving in the community in which the believers lived and worshipped (1 Cor 9:22) ~ even when he told the Gentiles to keep the Noahide Laws when living amongst the Jews (Acts 15). This would make sense, in light of the fact this is his primary message in 1 Cor 14 (vs. 23).

Always a blessing to comment back and forth with you, BAGJ! Thank you, and God bless you!


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

It does seem, JD, that you may have an emotional predispostion here and are rooting for a desired outcome.

What good does it do a person to get Scripture to back up their personal perspectives and politics through word-play and manipulation, when we must see Him face to face on Judgment Day?! In what way does a person benefit by fooling themselves?

I would like to point out that the historical perspective reveals that Jesus did not recruit any females to be His disciples or apostles. So, since Jesus, Himself, was not an equal opportunity employer, then Christ would also have to have been an "ignorant male chauvanist" using your definition...right?

Paul, as we already noted, set the female in her rightful place within the church, making him an "ignorant male chauvanist" to boot, or is it okay for them to set the standard but not okay for us to follow it?

To be consistent, we must then nail all the apostles for choosing the 70, whereby they excluded all females from contention, making all the apostles "ignorant male chauvanists" as well. Then, in turn, all the subsequent bishops, such as Polycarp, etc, were all men, meaning the early Christian church was not an equal opportunity employer and was, therefore, an "ignorant male chauvanist" organization.

But, wait, it gets even better! Now, take into consideration that the Almighty sent his Son into the world, instead of a daughter, and that every angel mentioned in the Bible has manly characteristics and names, and that the Almighty scolded the Jews on at least one occasion for fighting like women, and even created woman the weaker vessel and making man to dominate her - making Our Creator and Heavenly Father an "ignorant male chauvanist" on the highest order, by your definition.

But, then again, could it be that the Almighty is the one in the right and the political naysayers, rebels, feminists and Scripturally ignorant are in the wrong? So, if being a "male chauvanist" by societies standards is what God has called us to be, then I think if we were wise we should follow His dictates and examples and ignore the ACLU and social engineers who are opposed to Godliness in all its forms.

I really do think you may be venturing way out on a limb hoping to get the forbidden fruit at the very end of the branch. Adam took Eve's counsel and listened to her justification for sinning and it made sense to him, but I will not allow someone to sell an idea that is not Scriptural...socially expedient perhaps, but not Scriptural!

JD, if every man believed as I do and treats his family, neighbors, and every woman he meets with due respect and honor, I cannot see how you would have an objection to man and woman being made at different times, made with different elements and with different qualities as stated in Scripture.

I take this responsibility very seriously because I know that every man will be held liable for his stewardship toward God's Word and for his dealings with women, widows, children, the poor and oppressed. To him that is given more, more will be required.

If my understanding of Scripture is adrift and I went astray, pray that I gain a clear understanding of God's Word. My commitment is to Christ and His Word and I do not hope for a particular outcome. I am always humble before the Word of God and do not think that I know all its mysteries or have cornered the market on His truth.

I am your brother, a protector, and friend, JD. Please do not call me demeaning names and dishonor me, thus making light of my burden. I do not think you would want to be standing in my shoes, so be happy in Christ and embrace the commission to which He has called you.

Best wishes, be well, and go in peace - L.R.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Lone Ranger, Why don’t you open a forum on this topic, since you are so bent on provoking those who don’t hold to your beliefs about females. So, I’ve called you a male chauvinist and ignorant. As long as the shoe fits and it’s the truth, I will say so. Jesus and His Apostles used words like ‘vipers’, ‘hypocrites’, ‘sons of the devil’ ~ were they just calling names?

I find it interesting that Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well (HATED by the Jews), who then went and told Samaria about Him. I find it interesting that Jesus appeared to Mary first, on the day of His resurrection, when He could have appeared to His male disciples. I find it interesting WOMEN were present in the upper room on the Day of Pentecost: Acts 1:13-14 “Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the WOMEN and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.” Acts 2:4 “ALL of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.” Sure enough, this was the fulfillment of Joel’s prophesy (Joel 2:22; Acts 2:17-18): “In the last days, I will pour out My Spirit upon ALL flesh; your sons and your daughters will prophesy! (from prophetes; to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office -- prophesy.) The Apostles did NOT choose the 70 disciples to which you refer in Luke 10. Jesus did. And how do YOU know the 70 were only males? You cannot put words in my mouth that I would ever call our LORD a male chauvinist!!

And HOW did Jesus Christ come into the world? A WOMAN – not involving an earthly man. He was sinless, so obviously God chose not to have Him born of ‘Adam’. WHY is the Church called the Bride, including you? You might find it interesting that any lamb used as a sin offering had to be a FEMALE without defect (Lev 4:32)…And, did you know that if a person between the ages of 20 and 60 was dedicated to the temple, a female was worth 30 shekels? How much did Judas sell Jesus out for again? Females are called the ‘weaker’ vessel because they actually have 1/3 less blood than men (purely physical). God’s power is made perfect in weakness (2 Cor 12:9) and God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong (1 Cor 1:27). Now, let’s observe what the Apostle Peter states in 1 Pet 3:1 "In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of THEM are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives." Truly, it appears the husband's obedience is the main reason for the wives’ chaste behavior.

Good news is, I’m not your wife; so may I say (I will say) you sound like one who would experience the ‘love-hate’ relationship in dating or marriage. Some of your statements allude to gender discrimination (treating females differently through prejudice), while others allude to your being willing to love a wife as Christ loved the Church ~ seems contradictory, if you ask me. “If a man say, ‘I love God’ and ‘hates’ (miseo - from a primary misos [hatred]; to detest [especially to persecute]; by extension, to love less -- hate(-ful) his ‘brother’ (adelphos - male or female believer), he is a liar.” (1 John 4:20).


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

JD, it sounds like you have a serious chip on your shoulder and I have also noticed that you are very adamant in all your religious views leaving little room for growth and improvement.

I don't know, there seems to be room for discussion and friendly debate on many topics within the Bible, so to be dead-set on an opinion is probably unwise. I think many so-called Christians will be surprised on God's great day that He did not fit into their mold and conform to their ideals.

Truth be known, I have not read many of your posts for there is a warning in my heart to proceed with caution. Moreover, I do not think your Hub is here so much to share God's love with people as it is to proselytize your viewpoints and use this as a forum to argue and contend with others with the hopes of proving yourself right.

I think you are closed-minded and are infatuated with your opinion and love God as long as He agrees with your personal politics and perspectives. I think you are a sister in Christ as long as someone agrees with your perspectives, which is not genuine discipleship. No true child of God would have jumped at a brother's jugular the way you did, especially one who is so filled with God's love as you claim to be. Sounds like you love Gloria Steinem more than your brothers in Christ.

I probably would have received only a minor rebuke from you had I claimed that Mohammed was the Messiah. But, I made the career-ending, unforgivable sin of holding to a Biblical perspective of women and one shared by the early church.

I think the truth may be that you are a closet misandrist and your theology has been hopelessy tainted by feminism. Thank you for showering me with God's love and for being so kind-hearted, gracious and merciful - you really are a feather in Christ's cap. You go girl!!!

I doubt I will venture this way again. - L.R.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Lone Ranger, I am defending the faith, just as I would if someone made the claim that Mohammad is the Messiah. Have you heard of a mirror? Please hold one up to your words and read them, inserting your name for mine and we'll call it good. May the LORD's Truth reign without compromise.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area

I suspect the Lone Ranger has been out on the prairie alone without the wise counsel of his help meet Tonto. Unable to find much food, he has resorted to eating chips he had been saving along the way. You have heard of cow chips and buffalo chips no doubt. The Lone Ranger has been eating Trigger chips. That’s why he is full of horse ****.

This is my take on the thing with not many female apostles. Jesus sent forth the apostles to preach the gospel. In pairs mostly it seems. Now, this would be fine if the pair happened to be a husband and wife, like Priscilla and Aquila or Adronicus and Junia.

Would Jesus really send a bunch of men and women on a road trip together who weren’t married, like to each other?


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area

Hey Lone Ranger.

It looks to me like you took your cheap shots on Judah’s Daughter and now you are going to run away and hide. I’m just sayin’.

So prove me wrong.

Judah’s Daughter has a Statement of Faith on her profile. What is yours? Or what minister or church has a Statement of Faith readily available online that you consider sound? Of course, if you bother to respond I will expect you to be able to defend such.

You don’t even have a profile. What I know about you is that you sit there and snipe away at Judah’s Daughter without me knowing exactly where you stand on a variety of scriptural issues upon which I rely to determine someone’s credibility.

The only thing I know about you at this point is that you like to run your mouth, mostly so you can listen to yourself.

So show me some credibility.


Vinetth 4 years ago

Ephesians 5:21-23 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Ephesians 5:1-21 is general instructions to society living.From 5:22 onwards it deals with christian family.God created men and women. Differently with different purpose,which only they can do the best.Women must not teach or have authority over men in churches,but they can teach other women and childeren.Women can prophesy,give testimony,sing and do other ministries in the christian church,but she is not allowed to teach men .Women must dress modestly and cover their head as a sign of submission to men and God ,while praying and ministering in the public.These are the commandments of Jesus Christ through apostle Paul.Most of western protestants today ignore them,because they have been indoctrinated by the feminist lie,which says men an women are equal in all aspects,so gender roles are a lie of patriarchal society.Christian feminists will go on to say gender roles are a satanic lie,when the reality is feminist gender reversal is a lie of satan to destroy christianity.That is why we see decline of true christianity-protestantism in traditional protestant nations like US,UK,Netherlands,Scandinavia,Germany etc.

Also there are reasons to believe that this feminist lie is a part of catholic counter reformation activity through Jesuits who created and control the freemason secret society.You fail to see the big picture at your own cost.To lone ranger,you are not alone.In the coming days many christians will destroy the chains of feminism,that binded them severly a will break free for a great harvest of souls.God bless you all.

differently to fulfill different roles which only they can do the best.It


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Can you put the ‘mystery of God’ into action here, Vinetth? What is that mystery? The husband and wife relationship is reflective of Christ (the Husband) and His Wife (the Church). The Church (Wife) includes both males and females - the ordinance of submission is given to wives – not females to males. In Christ, there is NO distinction! How can you read the entirety of this hub (if you even did) and still hold to gender distinction? It’s so easy to accuse those who don’t give in to gender oppression of being indoctrinated, but I can tell you, by all the comments you’ve left me on several of my hubs, that you are steeped in indoctrination. What part of freedom in Christ don’t you get? It will only be by the breaking of the Holy Ghost you might repent (for you still have a choice).

You think women need to cover their heads? What does 1 Cor 11:13-15 say? “Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering.” Her HAIR is given to her for a covering.

Let me leave you with a question: Did God pour out a different Holy Spirit on males than He did on females? NO. By Whose authority does anyone speak in the name of God? HIS. So, just because a person is a female does not mean she is to subject herself to a male, nor is it true that just because a person is male he has the authority over a female. You need to study up on Abigail, the wife of a non-God-fearing man, Nabal. She no more subjected herself to his wickedness than any wife should. She obeyed the LORD, which brought the curse of God on her husband and the blessing of God on her (she became the wife of David). Husbands and their own wives are to reflect the marriage of Christ and the Church. That is the mystery and that is the Truth.


Vineeth 4 years ago

You fail to grasp what i said.I am never against women in ministry or that woman and men are one in christ,because we have the same holy spirit.God gave 3 restrictions for christian women,for her own good,and for the good of family and society.

These 3 restrictions are.

1.Women shouldn't teach or have authority over men in churches.

2.They should wear modest dresses,particularly in church.

3.They should cover their head as an act of submission to God & their husband.

Finally,didn't Abigail submit to her husband David?


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

On the contrary, Vineeth. I understood what you said clearly, but it is you to fail to understand. Let me re-state your three points and statement about Abigail scripturally:

1. Wives shouldn't teach or have authority over their own husbands and this is to be evident in the Church congregation.

2. Wives and females that profess godliness should dress modestly to reflect that godliness.

3. No wife or female must cover her head, for her hair is given her for a covering.

Abigail did not submit her her wicked husband, but submitted to David, her Godly husband, who submitted to God.


De Silva 4 years ago

Your response to Vineeth is foolish and absurd.How can a pastor's husband attend the church of his wife according to your statement.How can husbands of women who teach & have authority over adult men,attend the meetings in which women exercise this authority according to your statement that "women are not allowed to teach or have authority over her husband".See the obvious contradiction in your assumption and accept it for your good.Then only God will bless you.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Any pastor, preacher or teacher operates in that office by the authority of God. All are positions of servant-leadership. A wife having authority over or teaching her husband with said authority is different than a wife operating in the role of pastor, preacher or teacher of a congregation he may attend. Her husband is her covering and is one with her, as she is with him. Ultimately, the Husband is Christ and His Bride is the Church - does He not allow His Bride to pastor, preach or teach? Must you, as Vineeth, make it a gender thing when it is fully declared that in Christ, there is NO distinction between male and female?


De Silva 4 years ago

Gender is a reality.Accept that reality for your good.Have you got scriptural support that wife having authority over or teaching her husband?Also it contradicts the next statement that you make,that is it's different than wife being the pastor of the church which the husband attend,how? please explain?


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I can't be any clearer, De Silva. In the congregation, if a woman or man (whether married or not) is preaching, teaching or is the pastor, that is an OFFICE and all are subject to the authority of the Word, including the servant-leader holding that office. Likewise, any 'prophet' is to be subject to the 'prophets' - so as to the congregation, even the preacher is subject to the testing the flock (1 Cor 14:32). All are subject to Christ. At home, the husband is the authority, so long as he is following God's Word. If he does not follow God's Word, his wife is not to 'obey' him, but may usurp his 'authority' by obeying God, as Abigail did to Nabal, for she serves her Heavenly Husband before her earthly one.


De Silva 4 years ago

God's word is very clear that women are not allowed to teach or have authority over men in churches,and that they should wear modest dressing and cover their head in church/public worship.(1 Thimothy2:9-12,1 corinthians14:34-35).Women like you ignore God's word and is just the opposite of godly women like Abigail.The funny thing is you are unaware that you are indoctrinated by the lie of "feminism",which makes you ignore the reality that God tries to convey to you through his people.I will pray that may God make you wise enough to see this reality.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

De Silva, I've already proven a woman does not need to cover her head, for her HAIR is given her for a covering.

Let's type out 1 Tim 2:9-12 and 1 Cor 14:34-35, which are already covered in this hub:

"I [Paul] also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God." You have no disagreement from me here - whether married or not, the Bride of Christ should dress as they profess (men and women).

"11 - A woman [wife] should learn in quietness and full submission. I [Paul] do not permit a woman [wife] to teach or to have authority over a man [husband]; she must be silent. For Adam [husband] was formed first, then Eve [Adam's wife]. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman [wife] who was deceived and became a sinner. But women [wives] will be saved through childbearing [do single women have children?]—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

So, keep this in context.

1 Cor 14:34-35 "women [wives] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, AS THE LAW SAYS [this is NOT the Law of Moses, nor the LAW of God]. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own HUSBANDS at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman [wife] to speak in the church."

Thee passages are about husbands and wives and their roles as husbands and wives. You can go back to the time of Paul, if you wish to have greater understanding of the 'law' he was speaking of. Find this ordinance in the Law of Moses or the 10 Commandments, and you'll have my full attention.


De Silva 4 years ago

There is no (wife) in any of the scriptural transalation.Even if it was addressed to "wife",i have clearly shown the absurdity of such a position.So scriptures are clear on this topic.Weather you chose to submit to God and his word or to satan & his rebellion is your choice.Farewell & God bless you.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

De Silva, you don't want to see 'wife' in those passages; that's the problem, because it proves your male superiority complex wrong. Do non-married women have husbands to ask at home? Do they have pain in child-birth? Common. And, why is it Paul speaks of women praying and prophesying in 1 Cor 11? You don't want to 'see' and for reasons that are clearly obvious. I pray you humble yourself and accept God's Truth.


De Silva 4 years ago

I am asking again,Do you believe Jesus Christ is superior to men?If yes,then you are correct,but then why do you reject the reality that man is the head of woman & woman is the glory of man,likewise christ is the head of man & man is the glory of christ?

If you have one hint of truth,submit to Jesus & his words,instead of misleading people deliberately to satisfy your false pride and ego.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

De Silva, Was Eve not created as Adam’s wife? Was she not bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh (Gen 2:23)? Did God create them to have the ‘husband rule over her’ in the beginning? No. That ‘ruling over’ was part of the curse (Gen 3:16), the curse that was nailed to the cross (Col 2:14). In Mat 19:6, Jesus said the husband and wife are “No longer two [dyo], but one [mia/heis] flesh.” Eph 5:29 clearly states to the husbands, “for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the Church.”

Before the marriage covenant the male and female are two, not one, and there is no command of submission of females to males, rather of wives to their own husbands as the Church to Christ (and Christ to the Church).

Just as Eve came out of Adam (his image, his glory), thereby being one = equal with him, Jesus Christ came out of the invisible Spirit of God and is His image (glory), and as the Son of Man was = equal with God. God became the Son of Man, the High Priest - the head of the Church, which is subject to Him as He is God Almighty (Rev 1:8; 2:8; 22:13; Isa 44:6). We are separate from Him until we enter the Covenant with Him, whereby He becomes our Bridegroom and in Jewish Law, that means our Husband (Mat 1:18-21; Jer 31:32; Mat 25:1-13). We are then ONE [mia/heis] with Him, just as Jesus as the Son of Man was One [mia/heis] with the Father (John 10:30; 14:20).

I've only posted your comments, not to "cast pearls" (for you will only trample them), but for the benefit of the readers. It is not I who is misleading people to satisfy false pride and ego; quite the contrary. I will not continue to post your comments nor respond to them, for you are stuck in your carnal ways and take pleasure in them (Prov 10:23; 2 Thes 2:12).


De Silva 4 years ago

Kindly show the scriptures were restrictions made by Jesus passed on to us through apostle Paul is directed to "wife" rather than women in general.Also does unmarried woman represent direct glory of christ as an unmarried man does?There in lies the mystery of creation,that man and woman should become one-husband and wife.Likewise all fellow believers are commanded to submit to one another in love.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

De Silva, I will answer your final comment, as I have deleted the other two. In answer to your first question, CONTEXT. In answer to your second question: Gen 1:17 "And God created man [H120 ha-Adam - mankind] in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female [married or not] He created them (G: ref Mat 19:4)." The rest of what you said is good. Amen.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

De Silva, again, I am not posting further comments from you. You've now attempted to post a 1,468-word comment, that was cut off for length, because you are a war-path to oppress women. I will tell you Jezebel was not a follower of Christ, so let's get that straight right now. Publish your own hubs, if you have so much to say on the subject. That's what HubPages is here for. You are fully accountable to God for what you publish and how you influence God's sheep, so go for it. Your views are simply not going to be published here.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Okay, everyone - I did not give David the correct advice regarding marriage and divorce (though it's been 19 months now). I only recently received sound, biblical teaching (rather than the majority-accepted teaching as in the past) on this subject and have added the link to the base of this hub. Here is my latest post regarding this subject.

http://hubpages.com/relationships/Gods-Law-on-Marr...

I am deleting my previous comments to David, so as not to cause anyone to stumble. May the LORD's Word reign supreme in all things.

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