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Is God a nothing?


Couldn't it be said that God is "no thing" -- not a physical construct or created object? If one posits a source of the universe (and logically existence of anything seems to demand a source) then this "nothing" could be the source of every "thing." In a similar vein, the "place" from which the Big Bang was constructed was likely "no place," for space did not exist "beforehand." And the moment before the Big Bang was likely "no time," because the persistence of the space-time continuum required a source, too. So, the direction of that "no thing" would be perpendicular to all we know. Thoughts?

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    @PlanksandNails, a delightful answer. Very thought-provoking. I think I see in your struggle to answer the difficulty we have with our limited and limiting language.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks, @cloudy_cool, for a thoughtful answer. I have seen such beauty without a face, and I have seen the physical without physical eyes.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    @Darrell Roberts, thanks for your thoughtful answer.

    If no one was around to think about God... yes, God would exist.

    Is an artist the same as his paintings? I don't think so.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    I agree, @Ken Barton, that our finite minds cannot come close, but we can approach infinite with humility and awaken the infinite part of ourselves -- the true self (soul, spirit, Holy Ghost), within.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks, @arksys, for your thoughtful answer. By "something" do you mean spirit? By "everything" do you mean physical substance? I would then ask, is an artist ever their painting or statue?

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Yes, @Deynna. It's His universe.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks, @Born Again 05. And a beautiful design it is.

    I would dare say that His design included all 13.7 billion years of the universe's history which includes evolution in all its beauty.

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    andrew savage 4 years ago

    While I love your detailed response, I do see the big bang everynight. And I also see angels... if he is a spirit, state of mind and even of the corporeal fashion, then I do see such subjects.

    Do you think that he is psychic?


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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    So true, @Felixedet2000. I have known God exists my entire life. I was born knowing it.

    If an artist makes a painting of a landscape, is the artist the painting? The landscape? The view?

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Very Zen, indeed, @trecords0. Delightful!

    Perhaps the answering makes our concept of Him "something." No doubt He would remain the same no matter what our beliefs and "definitions."

    Are you familiar with the Buddhist paramitas?

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    @LoryRich, I like your words, "God in them" (dieu en moi), and "His formless nature."

    I too, long to awaken fully.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Wonderful answer, @Porshadoxus.

    No, I never assumed that matter and energy were the only states of existence. There's also space and time. And, as you said, spirit.

    God, to me, is perfect source of all, but He isn't these things.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks @Rooskaya.

    And like an mason who builds a house of brick, is the mason the house? The bricks?

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks, @mirza. Nice thought about a method to "see" God.

    We do have it. And it has been with us since the beginning. It is the small, still voice, within (1 Kings 19). It is the true self -- available through humility and hunger.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    A beautiful story, @greencap, but was God the trees? The boat? The galaxies?

    If you define a "thing" as something physical, would this include God? Or is He not a physical object?

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    A most interesting answer. So, we are to God what cockroaches are to us? ;)

    When we truly follow Christ, we become one with God and start to understand Him, if only a little.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thank you, @SpaceAge, for your short, but potent, answer.

    An "Eternal person?" What do you mean by "person?" Like a Homo sapiens person? ;)

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks, @Seek-n-Find. Delightful answer.

    Are you saying that Jesus is God?

    I suppose I've always thought of "things" as physical -- even space and time.

    I like what you said about "no time" and eternal. Perhaps God came not before time, but above

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks, @antoinetteburch5. Yes, God IS.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    @bright_sorcerer, an intriguing discussion.

    Could conflict involve money, lust, possessiveness, revenge and other things besides religion?

    And, if conflict can involve other things, is there a common-denominator behind all of them?

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks, @loneparentgiggles.

    Why analyze the Bible? For the same reason we ever read it -- to understand it. Many people (everyone?) misunderstand it, because they bring their own ideas, rather than an empty cup to be filled.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Outstanding discussion, @Joseph Kemp.

    I have pondered on this for half a century and I keep learning.

    But I've seen the limits of logic. Logic is continuity-based, just like reality and science. Creation is a discontinuity.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks for your answer, @Mark Pitrek.

    Nice paradox -- neither something nor nothing. Perhaps not between the two, but above them?

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    @Gloshei, He is my "rock," too.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "No." I agree, certainly, that He is here. But He is formless and not made of physical substance -- thus the prohibition against graven images, because they would be a lie

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    @CreamT0632, interesting answer. I, too, have thought of God as "motivation" and a guide. But He would seem to be much more.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Beautiful, @inawomansworld. May we all follow the Lord so that our own souls are saved.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    A most wonderful answer, @CheapDaisy. I like the metaphor of seeds and flowers.

    But isn't that the nature of creation? Something from nothing? God spoke and the Word was a template or blueprint of existence. And then God rested. Why?

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    @Le_connaisseur, beautifully put.

    Does it disrespect anyone to get to know them better? I'm glad you respect the Heavenly Father. That is a very good thing.

    Some are offended by their own misinterpretation

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    @DGuerrero, thanks for the answer.

    You say God is "within" all things. But does that make Him "all things?" For instance, is God a rock? A graven image?

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks for your thoughtful answer, @1morning.

    If a "thing" can be defined as something physical (including space and time), then God would be made of these?

    Is a sculptor ever their statue?

    And what is a "creator?"


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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    @deblevey726, wow. What an answer!

    I suppose God as the "ultimate reality" depends on your definition of "reality." What is "real" for one person isn't necessarily "real" for another. What is real for the astrophysicist, isn't to the cockroach.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Powerful answer, @saisarannaga.

    Do you suggest that space is "nothing?" What if it were a created something?

    Light from the edge of the universe has reached Earth, but stars have been born who's light hasn't reached us, yet

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks, @Dave. An answer beautiful in its simplicity and power.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    I understand, @kat74.

    I'm reminded of the prohibition against "graven images." God is so much more than a "thing" -- anything. And that is truly beautiful.

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    @RishiKS, interesting answer, but not exactly an answer to my question.

    You speak of dichotomy, but God is far beyond such "created" things.

    I have thought that "ego" (the false self) may be the devil, in many ways

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Curious, @Obscure_Treasures, that you believe in the Almighty, but not in God. How do you define these?

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    andrew savage 4 years ago

    How can there be an everything when there is nothing?

    How can there be an everywhere when there is nowhere?

    Are we certain that the one named I Am called himself "God" in the beginning?


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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Beautiful conviction, @IndiaGuide.

    God is everything? Is a cobbler the shoes he makes? Is a contractor the building he and his team makes?

    Certainly God IS. "Here?" Perhaps everywhere and nowhere, for space is a creation, too

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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Lovely, @sarasotadui.

    I like the idea you present about God existing irrespective of what the mind dictates.

    I have felt the presence of God and long to return permanently

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    andrew savage 4 years ago

    Where is here? Are you saying that he wrote you to be where you now are through the divine art of heaven?


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    andrew savage 4 years ago

    How can god be something if there is nothing? All matter is comprised of light particles at particular frequencies that give shape to the hallowness of existence. Does someone named the Alpha and Omega truly exist as an object or a field of energy?


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    andrew savage 4 years ago

    Technically "god" did not create Adam, the one who said "let us create man in the likeness of our image did. And to make the job easier for whoever it is that is fighting the devil think of the trinity sign as a knot.


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    Rod Martin Jr (lone77star) 4 years ago

    Thanks @Knowing Truth, for your questions.

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