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Doc Snow says
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Romans 10:9) Time is very short - very, very short.
With all due respect, the idea that a 'thoughtcrime' "deserves" an eternity of torment is bizarre and nonsensical to me.
"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1Corinthians 2:14)
"Unnatural"--yes, that's a good word for the concept of eternal damnation. God's justice is supposed to be higher, more perfect. And His love is supposed to be so much greater, that Christ suffered for us all. Yet a thought is damnable?
Not sure where you're getting the idea that "a thought is damnable." One either accepts the gift of salvation or not; if a person repents of his/her sins and accepts the gift, s/he spends eternity in heaven. That simple.
Ah! But one must believe, mustn't one? And that's a matter of faith; there's no knowing in the usual sense. It's "as through a glass darkly." If one believes, then acceptance is a 'no-brainer.' And if not, then what has one to accept?
"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (Revelation 3:20) God doesn't force Himself on anyone. He offers us a choice.
Utter poppycock. My god it really amazes me how so many of you believers absolutly know what happened thousands of years ago and why. On top of it all, none of you have once once of proof you can back your claims up with.Astounding!
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." (Psalm 14:1)
The same old line: you are born bad. You must be 'saved'--so urgent a priority for an all-loving, all-powerful God, that He Himself submitted to mortal torture at human hands to offer you an out-- if you just accept inconsistency as literal Truth.
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7)
"Whatsoever he soweth, he shall reap."
An interesting quote, in the context of a discussion of "reprobation"--it's one of the ones that suggests Salvation by works, not purely grace. In Calvinism, OTO, "reprobation" isn't earned--it's God's choice.
"Doc" Snow - you should try reading the Bible or going to listen to a knowledgeable pastor preach - then you might begin to understand that the Bible isn't as simple as you would like to make it out to be.
Thank you, DBDT--but I've been there and done that, quite extensively. My whole point here is that the Bible is NOT, in fact, "that simple." To shoehorn it into the vice (how's that for a mixed metaphor?) of literalism is folly, IMO.
Who's trying to "shoehorn it into the vice of liberalism" The Bible isn't wholly literal, as you must know from your reading and study of the Book?
"shoehorn it into the vice of liberalism"
Ws that a Freudian slip? ;-)
Call it what you want - it was a simple typo due to fatigue. Freud is old school, like some of the other nonsense on here. I don't enjoy arguing, but I love God and He has called me to share the Truth to prevent people from eternal separation from Hi
Just kidding, DBDT. No special significance attached--just an amusing letter substitution, such as anyone might make! Well, I don't want to make you argue, so I'll close with a quote you may like: "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him."
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Craig Suits says
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse." (Romans 1:20)
I'm 70 years old and I'll bet you I've been "blown off" ten thousand times with answers like that. You see, you believers can't answer straight, simple questions so what's the point? We'll discuss it inside a mushroom shaped cloud one day soon...
Craig thank you for posting... I will get back to you on part of your post later (I have school this morning) But one thing I want to assure you... it is impossible for a person who has not already known the truth and turned from it to be "Reprobate"
Go ahead. Prove that an ancient fairy tale will eventually lead to our demise.
Piece of cake...
In the last 20,000 years or so we're murdered 50 billion of our children by sending to to defend our diversified and idiotic religious beliefs. All this time we've managed to rebuild our destroyed cities had even replace our children
What? You are not making any sense, Craig. Why are you filled with so much contempt?
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