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Patricia Scott says
Catherine Kane says
I have seen the same--or similar--reports.
Civil War Bob says
You raise some excellent points. In particular I am interested in the idea of "hearing God's voice."
Is it like Jiminy Cricket or more like (inspired) intuition?
If you are really interested, read the Bible and pray about it and you will find out. Also find a Bible-based church to assist you in your journey.
I am not sure why you assume that I don't. In fact, I do read the Bible every day, and the Quran most days. I am not sure what you mean by "Bible-based" church. Which churches do not meet that description?
Very thorough and useful answer Dubuquedogtrainer, thank you for sharing some great references for all as well. Take care and God Bless.
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John Connor says
I won't stop someone from praying for me. There's just not much empirical evidence it will actually make an impact.
As previously noted, there's a wealth of empirical evidence that it's helpful. This is something that mainstream medicine has been studying for over 10 years now
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derek gulbranson says
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Paul Swendson says
Hmmm....are you sure about that? I seem to recall having read something to the contrary about the healing effects of prayer. God does not ask us to "beg and plead." Who do you think designed the healing process in the first place?
Why do you pray at all if God doesn't want you to beg? God already knows what you are going to ask before you ask.
Sorry. The evidence is in.
That is true, God does know what we need before we ask. Sorry, but I don't need to NY Times to tell me that. it's in the Holy Bible. You should read it sometime 0 you will be amazed.
I'd rather not get my moral advice from a book that condones slavery. Thanks for the suggestion though.
What book is that? You think the Bible condones slavery? You should read it sometime - you'll be amazed!
Oh I have. I grew up in the warped world of conservative Christianity, which says every word is divinely inspired, but has terrible trouble dealing with verses like Colossians 3:22, which claims, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything..."
Too bad - you should study the Bible under some good instruction.
I was enjoying the discussion when it was focused on the issue of the power of prayer. I don't see that personal attacks further the discussion--or benefit anyone.
When Mr. Dubu stopped even attempting to answer objections, it was obvious what was going on.
God always answers your prayers. He answers them 3 ways. "Yes, No, or Later." The Lord's Prayer says " Your will be done." You cannot pray to God "telling" him what he should do. You need to ask him what you need if it is His will for you to have it.
Won't you find out what God's will is going to be when the events actually occur? Are you saying prayer gives you a sort of road map to the future of your life?
God answers prayer. He remains sovereign, but prayer has the power to change things. I have no idea what you are referring to about me stopping responding - I have other things to do than answer irrational, hostile posts all day long.
When presented with empirical evidence, you backed away and said you "knew better." Sorry. If you want to remain irrational, be my guest. It's a free country. But don't pretend you actually offered a defense of your position.
Ridiculous. I'm done here. Not because I "backed away," as you choose to believe, but because any further discussion would be a waste of my time. By the way, I was napping this afternoon.
I wasn't referring to your lack of response. I was referring to the lack of engagement with what I actually said. I apologize for being unclear.
Many scientific studies show that people who're prayed for while sick require less pain medication, and heal faster and regain normal function faster.
This happens whether or not the person knows they're prayed for, which rules out placebo effect
Hi Catherine Kane,
That is a fascinating comment. Can you tell me where to find the studies you refer to as I'd be very interested in reading them? Thank you so much.
Found them years ago as reference for magazine article I wrote on faith as a survival trait. It'd take awhile to dig up, but if you search the medical effects of prayer, you should find plenty (as I recall, at least one from Mayo clinic)
Hey Catherine. I'd like some citation please.
Sooner - seems as though you are only here to provoke. I will pray for your peace of mind...... I know that prayers are answered simply from my personal experiences in life.
I ask for evidence for claims. If you don't have any scientific studies that's fine. Just don't pretend like it's a well established fact.
Your personal experience is NOT representative of the population as a whole. That's a hasty generalization.
Sooner, it's a fact, but that doesn't mean I need to spend hours doing your research for you. Googled it yourself -you'll see plenty of references.
Your comments tho make it clear your mind's made up. No point in proof that makes you uncomfortable
Here is a link that references several studies regarding this question. http://www.plim.org/PrayerDeb.htm
I said I (meaning me/myself) know that prayers work because of MY personal experiences - I am not generalizing or claiming to represent anyone b
Hi everyone, I am not here to provoke. I am genuinely fascinated by this discussion. I followed the link given by Conservative lady but couldn't find any direct refrence to any research, although various experiments were mentioned.
Any discussion of faith or prayer seems to evoke contention. I respect the impassioned responses of believers and am perplexed by those who become exercised about others who believe. I understand being atheistic or agnostic, but not the hostility.
When you claim something, YOU provide evidence. It's not that difficult of a concept to understand conservative.
You just keep dodging the call for evidence, and it doesn't help your case at all.
How can taking a sugar pill can have an effect because you believe it will, but praying to an omnipowerful god can't have the same effect? The question is about the power of prayer, not the existence of the invisible deities they're praying to.
Now that I have more time, a couple of references...
Katherine, you are ignoring that opposite studies are coming to different conclusions. If prayer were consistent, that would NEVER occur.
Furthermore, why is it that limbs don't regrow, and that people who rely SOLELY on prayer don't get healed?
Why don't medications/operations always work to heal people either? Because health is not black and white. Both approaches have been found to be statistically effective, but neither works always.
Knew you'd ignore proof- this was for WhoWas
Medicine isn't divinely inspired and supposed to be at the helm of an infinitely powerful God who is perfect. He seems rather limited in what he can do to help his own children, and needs the help of modern medicine to give him a boost.
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