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Eph1:11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
This refutes your free will belief, and what you said about hell and lucifer doesnt add up.
Taken out of context. This is the confirming of the apostles and their calling unto Himself as Jesus if anything it confirms His love of the Lost of which we all are here in this world all guilty and fallen short of the Glory without GODs Grace.
It is because you read scripture in its context, that alone makes you a literalist.
That we all should do as not to keep things within their place they could be made to read as One would will them to 1. Adherence to the explicit sense of a given text or doctrine.
2. Literal portrayal; realism.
And who was the genious who wrote that stupidity? Because Christ says otherwise in John 6:63
I have not the time to read and discern for you the whole Bible SOM how do you not Know the difference is spiritual learning and the other physical bread for their flesh. One must keep to the text stop bouncing all over teach do not confound it
The answer to your question is simple. Test the spirit of any answer, and if the end result is love. You have found it.
Love in our realm comes in many forms you are in need of tuff love for sure as you turn and rend all who try and help answer your question which you have deemed a desire to know the answer. When already you have chosen one for yourself and twist all
Love in my answer may come in many forms, but I still wait to find love in yours.
Because you have not looked for it you have played advocate to the devil and his proxies I'd have more faith in the lost books than Z N his flying machines I am not a space nut I think you learn way 2 far in the Universal beliefs of Z as did the Jews
@sword not everyone is "predestined" but that doesn't mean you can't accept the free gift of salvation. This scripture doesn't refute free will, it supports it.
You are full of it now, and dont make sense. What does scripture say about confusion.
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I would have no problem with all being with our Father, but I sense a hint of jeulousy in your question. Like "It's not fair" that all are saved, am I right?
No. Don't read into what isn't there. Please.
The angels in heaven rejoice when a sinner turns from their wicked ways, and so do I!
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Claire Carradice says
No it doesnt help because it makes no sense.Why does he send them to a place not made for them?
I know it can be hard to understand. He sends them there to be with Satan and the demons because ultimately, that's who they have chosen to be with because they have rejected God. I really hope that helps.
Again no it does not help. If He is all forgiving and merciful, why did He create those He knew would be there in the first place, and why does He tell us to love, bless and forgive our enemies unconditionally when He can't?
@sword God doesn't send people to Hell. They choose to go when they deny Jesus Christ and the salvation that He offers.
If God created hell, He sends them there for His purpose and pleasure.
When we worship Jesus - He is God, He closes His eyes slowly, leans His head back, and breathes deeply. He starts to smile and is flooded with emotion. He is soon overwhelmed and filled with love. He begins to weep with love
GOD Didn't create the separation those who refused to Repent Did and they are the ones who enforce and keep It alive Hell will past after Judgment for it is not eternal
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Donald Beres Jr says
LOL. yeah I have been accused of worse things by you evangeilicals. I know that hell is just a church made myth, but what makes your hell belief truth and the hell fire teachers false? As for seperation from God in hell, read Psalms 139:8 KJV.
In so lies this the sickness I refer to. GOD is Life Un ending He is the First and He will be the Last. There is Only one who can cause The separation to come about and remain. And This is GOD. Satan's Lake of Fire is the Truth of GOD.
Oh give me a break. You are starting to sound like an RC theologian. Do you even have a clue as to what satan truly is?
Oh please don't tell me its mans ego I am so tried of such fact baseness that it make me want to puke. Satan is exactly what I have so often described. A Lost soul who refuses to repent nothing more nothing less.
No, it is not man's ego, but please dont tell it is some entity. It is the desires of the flesh, and satan (advasary) is not some fallen angel either. If you seek truth, you need to first eras everthing taught to you by the religious system.
What is the desire of the flesh if it is not ones own Ego Satan Birth Ego he said I will be as the Most High I will ascend to greater Heights Satan was not the one who Desired this but Lucifer
I cant believe you fell for the lucifer myth. I cant even continue this discussion because of your belief system. This whole entity thing is tattood in your mind, and you leave no chance to allow yourself the possibility of being wrong.
SOM I now know you for who you are an instigator which in olden days men called swine there fore they would stop their teachings of the story and of the scriptures of which you have much confusion too you come off as a person seeking knowledge and th
I like to stur the pot abit but dont think for a moment that I didnt notice you calling me a swine. By my fathers grace, I have helped free others from the beliefs of foolish theologians and people like you who must have an answer for every question.
In olden days we would both have no doubtfully have been executed by the little we have shared here yes I am taken in by the Lucifer story as I have yet to hear a better explained and documented case as I believe that all others are fallen angels
Som be careful about cherry picking your theology. Look into the verses that use apoleian or words with the root.
Last chance caly, if you accuse me again of cherry picking or twisting scripture I will delete your posts. I could just as easily accuse a hell wisher the same.
Not without a reason. I am not criticizing you, I am encouraging you to continue learning about this faith and not settling on a set of beliefs that can be made to work with some verses but directly contradicts others. We both must keep learning.
Accusing anyone of cherry pick does not give anyone encouragement, it is offensive. This is one thing I will not do.
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Rod Martin Jr says
So lonestar, are you now the online armchair bully that has the answes for all questions. You are more than welcome to not join in the discussion in the future my friend.