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Valorie Esquilona says
Julie McFarland says
I don't. But that wasn't the question. I'm just relating the story as written. I don't happen to believe in a god. I accept a deliberate universe, but that doesn't default to a 'god.' Don't you think? :-)
I was asking the OP
My apologies, JMcFarland.
no apologies necessary, Richard :-)
I'm not looking debate whether or not God created the world with this thread, that can be for another thread in which I will be happy to debate.
that's fine, but when you ask why god created the world in 7 days, you leave the door open or people like me who say that he didn't create it at all. Just sayin'.
I realize that I am not be the best at wording questions.... this is only the 3rd or 4th I think I've asked on here...
Given the choice between believing that everything came into being by time and chance, and believing that an omnipotent Creator spoke it into existence, I choose to side with the Genesis account. So many other reasons exist to refute atheism.
you understand that atheism has nothing to do with evolution, which also has nothing to do with the origins of life, right?
Please explain your position.
What is there to explain? Atheism is a lack of a belief in a god. It has nothing to do with how life began or whether or not evolution is true. Even if evolution was proven false, it would not affect my atheism.
@renegadetory...I think you asked the question very well...just look at the debate you have sparked. :)
How about this... Creation remains a mystery. Big Bang, God, poof--whatever the case may be, we may well never know for certain. It's not agnosticism; rather, it's acceptance. I do not know. Of that I am certain. Most scientists, too, if honest.
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I'd like to know that Scripture that says He regretted making the universe on the eighth day.
It was during the time of Noah. He said that he regretted having ever made man and that it was time to destroy everything. At that time, the earth was the center of the cosmos. Destroy that, and all is gone. 8th day was tongue in cheek.
He never regretted, he gave us an agency to choose. It will be decided for us on Judgement Day!
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Rod Martin Jr says
Or, and I'm guessing here, Genesis might have nothing at all to do with the origins of the universe. Perhaps mystery really is mystery and explanation may be long in coming. I tend to lean in that direction. I don't like the god of the Bible.
Adam died spiritually when he ate the fruit; that spiritual death planted the seed of his physical death some 900-plus years later.
What do you mean by "the Garden was a purely spiritual place"? I believe the text indicates that the Garden was a real
Glynch1: It seems you may be adding interpretation where none is due. If one takes the Bible literally, Adam did not die spiritually. The passages refer to physical death. He did not die after eating. The serpent told the truth.
Glynch1, are you implying that physical death was tied to Genesis 3?
And are you implying that Heaven (a purely spiritual place) is not real? Please!
"the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life"
Don't be distracted by the literal (the letter)
lone star 77,
The wages of sin is death: spiritual death immediately, and eventually, Adam died physically. That has been the orthodox position since the beginning.
The Garden of Eden was not heaven. Where did I say that heaven is not real?
The GOD of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, must be feared. Fear is the beginning of Faith. And faith grants wishes..even wishes to know the real TRUTH!
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TJ Burgonio says
Beautifully reasoned, but it may be even far richer than either of us imagine. With humility we may yet find more answers that will soothe our souls.
It's true that a day can can be a thousand years in some instances, but when adam was created God had established the 24 hour day.
If one is going to use scripture, then recognize this: God made the sun and moon AFTER the first day. What gave light to the first day? And saying God himself does not count. In other words, it's a fairy tale turned into literal history by fundies.
@renegadetory where do you get your interpretation? How do you know God had established the 24 hour day, and how do you know which uses of "day" refer to the 24-hour variety?
2 Corinthians 3:6
Don't pretend to know, before you learn
It is my understanding that when God established the 24 hour day, He established OUR 24 hour day, not His. The millennium in the end is spoken of as the Lord's day. I believe that 2 Peter 3:8 is correct. Our 24 hrs. is His 1,000 years.
In the book of Genesis the Hebrew word yôm was used for the word 'day' combined with numbers 'first' day, 'second' day, etc., along with the words 'evening and morning' the first time the word was used to define yôm as one night/day cycle or 24 hrs.
And yet we have the greater and lesser lights (sun and moon) to divide the day and night created on "Day 4."
This tells me that we are looking only at the "letter" and not "spirit" if we take Genesis 1 to mean six 24-hour days.
There's more here
The translation of the Hebrew word according to Strong's concordance is "a space of time defined by an associated term" (figuratively) or literal (as in sunset to sunset), that is the translation and that is the meaning given.
And yet Strong's Concordance is not the Word of God, and neither is any mortal interpretation. Learn the difference between the letter and the spirit of His Wisdom. Let go of the crutches of this world, logic and ego
The OT was written in Hebrew, that is a fact. I do not speak, write or read Hebrew. This is fact. Therefore I use other books (besides just Strong's) of translation to understand the meaning of the Hebrew words in their context.
May peace and the love of God be with you always.
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