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Best Answer Cynthia says
That is kind of my take. I work with younger ones, from a very respectful culture. Also the use surnames and family names differently. And Dr. Dierker sounds weird. I think we will settle on Preacher. (it also has that fun ring of snake oil sales ;-)
Lol, snake oils, I like it. I remember getting injured in a sewing facory years ago, and my boss put some red "snake oil" on my injury. It healed like nobodies' business!.hmmm. wonder what that was??!! Thanks Preacher Eric!
or you could use the only real scriptural "title" -- brother
Celafoe, do not forget "friend", Rabbi and cousin.
rabbi, only used for Jesus in NT he said do not be called- MT23:8--Cousin used once to describe who he was--friend - not a title but denote a friend not enemy. None of these are titles, you and your word games
Hirelings love their titles to peacock around in front of man.
PlanksandNails I think you are right here. And if we do not do that then we are ok with any tradition of man. When I teach He teaches through, when I preach He preaches through me. If i take credit through a title i am an arse.
He teaches through you IF it aligns with God's Word. Preaching the Gospel is to get off man's platform and GO. Jesus Christ takes ALL the credit. Titles are for the religious pinners to identify the purveyor of man-man ideologies within the building.
But friend, you me and Celafoe and Graceinus preach right here. We should be honest and admit it.
whoa eric, I do not teach the perverted gospel as you do. I teach Jesus crucified for us as THE ONLY WAY into the kingdom. DO not slander me like that. You are teaching a false gospel- face it and change
Therefore, open to scrutinty to the standard to what we claim to believe. I have no need to be a titled hireling upon a hewn hierachial platform asking for the tithing plate to be passed around "my" congregation to make a living, do you?
PnN that is discustamundo. I reckon if I worked taking care of the grounds, babysitting and childcare full time, it would be nice if I could afford to live. Maybe we could make arrangements for a place to stay and food.
You did not answer the question. Are you a titled hireling who preaches for a price?
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Judy Specht says
I think that is fairly normal. But is it right?
not according to scripture
The formal title for a priest is The Rev. Jones. Father is a informal name and is not intended to compete with our heavenly father. Every form I have filled out has always ask for Mother's Name, Father's Name. Some call the priest by his first name.
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I like that perspective, thank you.
that is aside from the fact that is is forbidden by Jesus. no matter that your church allows. Jesus says call NO man father. he is NOT their shepherd he is an UNDER shepherd. totally different
Your point is awesome in that it reminds us of a deep truth. But that guy over there standing in the field with dogs and a flock of sheep is a shepherd. Playing word rules is thus made silly. It was Christ who used words we already used.
Scripture is clear to those who understand it correctly. there is ONE shepherd but there are many overseers to shepherd the people for Him. MT 2:6, 26:31 MK 14:27, Jn 10:7, 10:11 , Acts 20:28 and more. they are not equal to Him.
Retiring from being a pastor would mean that someone decided to no longer use the gifting God has given them, unless you were a hireling who dispensed the Good News for the monetary. That would be the distinction (2 Corinthians 11:7).
planks and nails. - in our case my husband retired due to a disability that made it impossible to continue in his role as pastor. When one becomes ill, they cannot serve and be there 24/7 for their congregation. So he had to give it up.
The point I was making is that I don't see the gifting of a pastor as a role that requires a salary; it is not supported in Scripture. Many pastors are salaried to serve, which I believe is an oxymoron.
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Cheri Hutson says
I hope through this question we are all getting the heart of the matter. If in anyone's heart they by using a title they are elevating either themselves or another that is bad. If we know the difference that God is the ultimate source. That's it.
call him what you want , he is not your "father" nor is he your spiritual head.
you clearly prefer your way to Gods way which is the norm for church people. You doing ot does not make it right nor does it please God.
Come on Celafoe ----- do you not have children? Children call their father father. It is psycho to say that is Blasphemy. Christ lived and taught in the REAL world, get a grip.
It is amazing how these religious questions get so out-of-hand. Frankly, resent people, whose credentials I do not know, from telling me what I am doing right and wrong. I called my male parent Daddy and my female parent Mother. Is that acceptable.
Larry I hope that the "out of hand" helps folks to decide for themselves. It is these funny little nuances that folks hung up I think. The big picture is pretty clear. I do appreciate your kind participation.
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I get you point PattyJane and I am coming to the point of deciding that there are many views all valid -- and you pinned down, "don't call yourself teacher". Everybody welcome Patty at http://hubpages.com/@pattyjane she is a great writer.
I understand the point, but why shouldn't a teacher call themselves a teacher if that's what they are? If I ask someone what their profession is, how are they supposed to answer? Sometimes people can get just a little overscrupulous. No offense. JMO
I think you are right Cherihut. We all need to act normal. I called my son "the master of disaster" last night and laughed at myself for worrying about using the term master. I bet there are some cool shepherds out there.
the scripture is talking about using a function of ministry as a name/title, not about "saying i am a teacher". ie the unscriptural titles "pastor john, teacher joe. apostle sam. Paul never said apostle Paul but Paul an apostle of Jesus CHrist
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There is nothing to disagree with there. My kids call me and I called my Dad, Dad. Man's custom seems to have moved away from that strictness. I do not judge that. But we should at least remember it. I do not think we should close schools though.
eric do you not remember what you say. You contradict yourself on a regular basis. . here you say you call your father dad and then later you say you called him father-- which is it? You really need to be consistant if you want us to listen to you
Excellent Celafoe. Just Excellent. Yes -- look at that! My children and I call Dads Dad and Father. That makes my point -- who cares the name, it is what is in the heart. My wife's father is tragically dead, she calls her Godfather father.
i guess everything is just one big joke to you . SORRY but Christianity is a serious matter to me and most other Christians. i really am beginning to wonder about you.
Yes Celafoe, the more laws that you proclaim man is under, the further we grow distant. As Christ was clear to me. Let me be clear to you: God loves everyone and following rules derived from anywhere does not make us more or less Christian.
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the only title is brother. pastor is not a title but a ministry that elders are to perform. Those that call themselves pastor or reverend do not understand scripture as Jesus says there is NOT to be .clergy/laity division in His church
I call shepherds shepherds and teachers teachers. Captains are captains and masters are masters. Someone who preaches is a preacher. And I do not call women brother. My children call me father and I called my father father.
you are free to do as you wish, that is the beauty of Christianity, but that does not make what you do acceptable to God or Christians that follow Jesus. so do as you wish, a minister of religion has no need to follow Christ do what feels good to you
Ouch. There is an old saying "The devil is in the details". What that means is that we should watch out for one crying out details over love"
Typical "love" mumbo jumbo from the modern "church" clergy. Tell us what type of "love" you are talking about. Is it eros, storge, philia or agape? Without details you could be talking about sensual love for all we know.
eric- sadly many people have been and are being loved straight to the LOF. God's love is saying and doing what He deems necessary whether welcome or not. Loving someone without confronting and setting them free from their sin is not love.
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