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Christin Sander says
excellent point. We are all human.
Georgianna Lowery says
That's the thing though, no one will allow all religions, people will argue that others shouldn't be allowed etc and it distracts from education. I agree parents seem to be oblivious to what their kids are engaging in far too often. very true.
That's the real shame, if I can sit here as an athiest and say "put religion in schools." But I guess I'm the bad person because I don't believe in God.
I agree with Georgie: too many parents let TV, video games, and the internet raise their kids, resulting in mixed messages children can't work out. Don't buy it? Well, we know advertising is effective, why wouldn't other media have the same effect?
I have no objection with a class about religions, what they are and how they came about.
But there shouldn't e anything purporting that any religion is factually based. That amounts to supporting religions in schools which I oppose.
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Sid Kemp says
Charles Mark Walker says
My man hit the nail on the head. If children are raised to do the right thing because it's the right thing, and not because they're afraid of reprisal from an invisible man in the sky, they'll have stronger moral fiber than any religion can teach.
Public Image, The question would then go to..."What is the "right thing" and why is it the right thing?" I contend in one of my hubs that murder cannot be inherently WRONG if there is not God. It can be illegal and socially disaproved, but not wrong.
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Emmm.. Malaysia is a country where Islam is the official religion and this is what UMNO has been fighting for. But how come under its administration, Malaysia scored the lowest in the world in Transparency International's Bribe Payers Survey in 2012?
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Linda Bryen says
Morals arent only in religions. It's parents of any walk of life allowing TV and Games to babysit. Parent's don't have relationship wth their child anymore. Nothing to do with religion or morals, just lazy n 2 busy other places.
I agree Lady. But, a child brought up in a Gold;y home is going to have a stronger moral fiber. If they use it??
Wrong, my sons are brought up by two agnostic/atheist parents and they are wholly moral and good people. It's a fallacy and a dangerous one that religion is necessary for morality.
Christin..... You are one of the lucky ones.
I'm one of the lucky ones huh? Wow - just wow. You religious people sure seem to know how everything works.. must be nice to be so perfect.
Not perfect by any means! As a matter of fact who knows what really goes through a child's mind? I'm sure the Islam's that kill so many do not tell their parents they are radicals.
We don't need any form of religion to behave in a moral manner, we all know the difference between right and wrong, it is up to parents, teachers, and society to instill those values in our children.
Jthom, U R so 2faced. U disagree with my post but agree to Mick who say that same thing. Is that morals? I think NOT.
I agreed to end this foolish debate Lady!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't agree with any of you. You all need Jesus.
And you need a dose of humility and some respect - be more like Jesus JThomp you're a hypocrite. Jesus talked about them too..
I have not shown any disrespect Christin. Plus how dare you preach to me something "you do not believe." Nor understand. But, of course you will claim that you understand the bible, you just not believe it because you are too intellectual. Nonsense.
Next thing he will be saying that we called him names. Booo hooo. I am tired of their rhetoric and lies and when we try to explain we get crap and followed and beaten down. The run, we are supposed to bow down to them and leave them alone. Morals?
Lady, You are the HYPOCRITE!! BooHooo my rear end. I'm sick and tired of you people thinking you can push Christians around and if they voice their opinion, you call them a hypocrite. That is called standing up for my God. You are no Lady G!!
I was raised Christian and changed my mind - so I do know the Bible. Telling someone they need Jesus isn't disrespectful? What if I told you that you need to be atheist? and you preach about morals? you can't even see yourself with honesty.
Christin........... This is of course your "ALL BELIEVING" POINT OF VIEW. And yes, Everyone needs Jesus.
O NO who started the pushing -YOU DID and that ws the reason I had you blocked for some time. Now I will again and this time I will not give you a 2nd chance.
I don't feel the need to tell anyone else what they need actually JThomp, nor do I feel the need to shout in all caps or use multiple exclamation points to make my case. No everyone doesn't need Jesus, sorry to disappoint you.
Ohhhhhh that just ruins my day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There seems to be a lot puerille name calling going on here, let's just stop it. I don't feel the need to assert my beliefs or push them down the throats of others, nor should Christians. Religion of any stripe doesn't make morals, people do.
I don't need Jesus. I don't need a trip to a big building every Sunday (or Saturday or Whateverday) to have very strong morals. Those "morals" that some religious people have don't stop them from being condescending and self righteous.
One question? I mention God and I am the one who is attacked. Sometimes one does have enough and does strike back. We are only human.
Mmm, that does seem odd JT, especially as the question was to do with religion, and its effect on societal, moral values. However, perhaps many people use God too much as a crutch, and abandon thinking for themselves.
Agreed Mick. And that is a major problem. God should not be used as a crutch for anything. He is my rock, no crutch needed.
You didn't just mention God, JT. You made a statement that everybody needed Jesus. That makes you arrogant and presumptive. You have no right to judge or decide what anyone else wants or needs - and this is the big problem I have with religion.
Georgie.. It is not a religion, it is a way of life. And, yes I still believe everyone needs Jesus. I will believe this until my last breath. This is not out of judgement, but compassion for my fellow man/woman. No one deserves the alternative.
I'm not one of those hateful atheists, JT. If someone says they're praying for me, I thank them. But you have to understand that we are not all the same. And I stand by my belief that no one has the right to decide what I need but me.
Okay Georgie, I respect your beliefs.
Thank you, JT. I appreciate that.
If JThomp42 had the name of a doctor that he was completely convinced could cure a physical ailment of yours and then he said you need Dr Blank, would you say JT was lacking humility? JT believes Jesus is the Savior and want all to be saved. Simple.
Thank you Mitch!!
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