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Imogen French says
Imogene, you have taken the words out of my mouth. Some people are indeed THAT ignorant and delusional to the multillionth degree. They are the ones who believe in creationism..They are adherents of the philosophy that the world is 6000 years old.
I would like to add that I do respect each and every person's beliefs. I was simply expressing my own point of view here. I would not presume to call anybody "ignorant", we each have our own stance based on our exposure to ideology and education.
Imogen, I am confused and have a question. I can't make sense of both your answer and your comment. If you don't say a person is ignorance, how can you say that they have a "level of ignorance"?
Sid, by saying that people have a level of ignorance I meant that they are ignorant of the facts, as in uneducated. I did not mean that they were "ignorant" in the rude sense of the word, as in stupid.
Thanks Imogen. That is a perspective I can understand and one I respect deeply.
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Sid Kemp says
I agree, Sid. We all have our own differing frame of reference, and should respect all viewpoints.
Thanks, Imogen. One way of doing this is to see each religion, and also science, not as truth or as a story, but as a language in which truth can be revealed and stories told.
Sid, I think you have added the voice of reason to this discussion. If more people thought like you we would have much more tolerance in our society.
Thanks, Imogen. I just started following you, and hope you will return the favor. I think we have a lot to learn from one another.
There is so much love in what you say, Sid. Beautiful.
Each "truth" is a relative truth, until we get to the heart of Truth which is love.
Gautama Siddhartha knew this. So did Yehoshua of Nazareth.
Yes, Lonestar, and so did Albert Einstein. It is time to realize that religions and science are all frameworks for understanding. People using each can dwell in loving respect for one another, and all seek truth.
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Rod Martin Jr says
A very good point. Most philosophers agree that science, as a process, can never declare anything true. And there are many standards of truth: scientific, forensic, historical, religious, spiritual. A favorite: that which is loving is true.
John Connor says
Great answer. There are some people who do not live in the real, scientific world but base their knowledge upon antiquated and atavistic biblical concepts.
Mitch Alan says
Mitch, you've made a good point that people who hold to the Young Earth theory recognize the existence of dinosaurs. But I can't agree with you that Young Earth is a scientific theory - it simply does not explain the facts, as any sound theory must.
Young earth MODEL. Not theory. Just as the evolutionary model is not truly a theory, as it can not be falsified. If you lay the models side by side and compare what we know to be fact, and not merely conjecture, the evolutionary model falls apart.
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It seems to me that if someone doesn't agree with your ideology, then they are ignorant uneducated people. Not saying I disagree with you, but you do not have to be so rude. They're are millions of people out there smarter than you. Believe that??
Well if a person does not believe that dinosaurs existed, he/she must live under a rock or be so abysmally uneducated and ignorant. What else could he/she be? Really now!
The existence of dinosaur fossils is not ideology, it is a proven fact - they exist. Those who deny their existence are willfully choosing ignorance over education - that's not being mean, it's stating a fact. "ignorant" does not mean "stupid"
Blah, blah, blah Christin. gm's comment was very condescending and egotistical. Just as yours are most of the time.
JT, the comment I made was not condescending. It is THE TRUTH. Anyone in this day and age who do not believe that dinosaurs exist is ignorant. Every reasonably educated person, including children, know that dinosaurs have existed for decades now.
GM, I encourage you to reflect on the tone of your words. The truth can be stated in condescending ways. Also, evidence is that belief in evolution is decreasing as our school systems fail. We can encourage learning through a generous spirit.
However, intelligent and educated people know that the world is billions of years old. 'CONDESCENDING!"
I'm not saying I disagree with what you said, it is how you said it. So many put themselves on an 'I'm more educated" pedestal. There is a nicer
JThomp, I agree with you. But ALL CAPS reads as condescending, too. :-) We can all sound condescending or judgmental when someone doesn't get our point. And the moment we do, I think we become part of the problem. I invite all of us to more civility.
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Don't laugh at them, feel very very sorry for them. They just refuse to learn and don't know any better. However, if they have children, I feel sorry for such children to grow up in such a bereft home. Think of the Duggars.....hmmm.....
They need to return to school and become educated or they will be LEFT BEHIND so to speak. Sadly, there are people STILL like that! Oh, dear, so unbelievable in the 21st century, there are still medieval thinking people!