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Eric Dierker says
thanks for trying to slam me but I take it as a complement, again your word games, its not a liturgy but an integral part of becoming a CHristian. Is this all a game to you? it seems all you want to do is play word games.
Celafoe --- your question asks for a explanation of what most people do. I gave it. I also affirmed my belief that it is imperative. sorry if I offended. I was answering a question about others.
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I know and agree thats why we need to teach them the truth
in other words you were led toward the Lord many times and finally were led to the Lord and completed the necessary action as scripture sets forth. Unfortunately some people are not equipped properly and try to force people, that is wrong.
Yes, celafoe, it is wrong and can do tremendous damage. You can't drag a person to the Lord kicking and screaming. Such people wind up as poor disciples at best and atheists at worst; neither of which is preferable.
yes I agree 100%
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act of obedience? absolutely untrue. false church doctrine
Col 11-12 shows that the hard heart of man is circumsized (opened)
to receive the things of God in water baptism.
In Acts 8:26-40, Philip was called into the desert where he preached the Good News to an Ethiopian, and when they found water he was baptised.
When they found water??
And the eunich said,
"See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?"
Even when somone was led to the Lord in the desert there was water to be found.
You do not have to be baptized to go to Heaven. Baptism is out of obedience to GOD. Why was Jesus baptized, he was sinless. He was baptized out of obedience to the Father. The eunich just happened to find water. Do you think he was the only one??
Jesus was baptised in obedience to Mosaic Law where all priests were consecrated before they began their ministry that encompassed washing and annointing. He was publically identified as the Lamb who would take away the sins of the world.
Agreed. But, disagree that you must be baptized to be saved. Although I have been.
We must be baptised by the Holy Spirit. That is the baptism that saves. Faith in Jesus Christ (living water) plus the power of the Holy Spirit equals salvation. The baptism that saves a believer is done by the Holy Spirit.
We must agree to disagree.
If hearing the Word by faith and changing by the power of the Holy Spirit does not equate to salvation, then what do you believe salvation is?
Accepting Jesus into your heart and confessing it with your mouth that he died on the cross to save all mankind. Water does not save, the blood does.
The living water that I was speaking of above is not literal water, but that which comes into us by His Holy Spirit where we never thirst again. His blood was shed that we may recieve His living water (new birth) that springs up within our very souls
amen P&N the the most important thing is that is living water
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