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Thanks for your take, aliasis. I must say, you mentioned that abortions will continue...this is true to some extent. However, abortion as whole would decrease if it was suddenly more difficult to find someone to do it.
If you Google the 86%, you will see the study all over the web cited in different articles. Do you really believe "better" sex education is the solution? Does this sex education factor in rebellion, deviance and perversion as well?
Another intelligent voice of reason. Abortion should remain legal & accessible. Women have the right to reproductive freedom. No woman should be forced to endure an unwanted pregnancy which is not good for her psychologically.
Cutting abortion is cutting women's rights. If a woman wants an abortion, I believe she should have it, without people accusing her. Melissa, I don't really follow - getting pregnant is not a "perversion". But sex ed DOES decrease "accidents", yes.
What about the child's life?? As Americans we are afforded the rights to "LIFE," liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The woman's rights were whether to use protection!! And I do not want to hear this rape card again either. The percentage is minis
Fetus isn't a baby- no brain, thought, ability to feel pain, emotion. It's human potential at best. I care about REAL babies and children. JThomp, women don't always have the "choice". And why would you make pregnancy a punishment for women?
Every one of my six children was just as real in my womb as they were when they emerged. You were a unique, wonderful human from conception. I'm glad your mother chose life, and I hope you are, too.
Since when is a BABY ever considered a punishment? Careful, I never said getting pregnant is a perversion. I'm saying education does not cover all those who REJECT the sex ed and go do whatever they feel like whenever they want.
kschimmel - Here's an anecdote. My best friend wouldn't have been born if her mother didn't have an abortion earlier. The abortion basically saved her mother's life, and allowed her to make the choice of children when she was ready. Don't judge fast.
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Murder is never the answer. God is NOT AN ANCIENT Fairytale. God is real and alive and he's in control of everything. You can't prove he is a fairy tale. That is a lie from Satan. Tell God to his face it's absurd. He created you.
Wow! MissMelissa. No offense, but I can't believe I am still hearing someone say something like this at this time in History. It seems almost surreal that this is still the narrow world view of so many. SATAN! Really? You still believe in Satan?
Getitrite, YES. Couldn't have said it better. How many unwanted children are abused & otherwise mistreated by parents who DIDN'T want them in the first place. It is better to terminate an unwanted pregnancy than to have an unwanted child !
I believe in God and I also believe that Satan is real and roaming the earth looking for souls to devour. Your tone suggested I'd be offended. I'm not offended for I know the TRUTH written by GOD in the Bible.
" It is better to terminate an unwanted pregnancy than to have an unwanted child !" Well why stop there, there are plenty of unwanted children already born - just kill them all. After all a child isn't the same as an adult human being.
Really Melissa? With all the information available today, it is absurd to continue these primitive beliefs? If you were to base your opposition to abortion on REAL morals, you would have some credibility, but not with ancient religious nonsense.
getitrite....... So you believe in killing innocent children. What if they make it mandatory due to population control? Kill all of the female fetus's so they cannot reproduce.
gotitwrong - so what is your evidence there is no satan? here are 6 evidences that there is...http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?3052-... where is your proof?or were you told that by your primate ancestors
No I don't support killing innocent children. I support a women's right to choose what she does with her body. It is your God who supports killing innocent children, as he allows plenty of BORN children to starve in the Third World...daily.
getirite.... you speaking of God is like a paper boy trying to have a conversation about physics. It ain't happening because neither of you have a clue
Getitrite - What you avail as ancient religious nonsense is the Word of God. He created you. His Word is the truth and it has stood for over 2,000 years. It is anything BUT nonsense. It is definitely not primitive. It is REAL and ALIVE today!
Statistic says that I have more of a clue than you do. And since there are over 3000 denominations of Christianity, it would appear that either all of them have a clue, or they are all clueless. Which category are you in? Self righteous? OK. Lol
getitrite - You are going to base your life on statistics. Meanwhile JT is going to base his life on GOD. Are you saying that all the intelligent men in years past were idiots and fools for believing in God?? Like C.S. Lewis? Really?
gotitallwrong sure does think he knows something when he clearly demonstrates he knows nothing, nothing about Christianity but he is good at nor answering my question - because he can't. Proverbs 4:19 applies here.
Well said Melissa!! getirite.......... do your homework before you start bashing others! Including my God, who by the way created you!
Dear Melissa, most intelligent men don't believe in God. Stephen Hawking, Bill Gates, Thomas Edison, Warren Buffet, Mark Twain, Voltaire, Thomas Paine, Mark Zuckerberg. CS Lewis is an exception. Statistics has already explained this. U are mistaken
The fact that someone smarter than us rejects some belief is not a good enough reason to do the same. The idea that it might be is a straightforward example of a fallacious argument from authority. The error of such thinking should be obvious.
Dear Getirite, you come across as haughty, arrogant and prideful and I've never met you Pride always comes before the fall and pride always meets its match. You assume only idiots believe in God. God have mercy on your soul when the chips are down.
tsadjatko. Its good that you explained the authority fallacy. But if you check the comments, it was Melissa who first brought that up. I was merely responding. So thanks for setting her straight. BTW, where is the evidence that God wrote the bible?
If it applies to her it certainly applies to you but you think you are exempt - or you knowingly made the same mistake - very intelligent! How about answering my question before changing the subject -you can't but you won't admit it, very intelligent
getirite.......... Of course these men do not believe. "Hollywood" and techies! Here is a list that did "believe." George Washington, James Madison (who wrote the declaration of Independence) Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and all of our founding f
tsadjatko, please stop presenting strawman arguments. I simply never see anyone oppose abortion based purely on a rational view. I was simply telling Melissa that if she did that instead of preaching it would be better. Religion's too confrontational
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Mr. Happy says
Well, I for one was told by my own father "I never wanted you, it was your mother's idea." I am the youngest of seven. It hurts to know my father did not want me BUT my father in heaven wants me and loves me and I in turn love and adore him.
Mr. Happy, I agree that many people are not fit to be parents. That is a sad reality. However I don't believe the solution is to murder the children that will be born. If efforts were increased to educate would-be parents, children would benefit.
Your statement is intelligent & analytical.Women have the right to have the children they want & can effectively raise financially,psychologically & emotionally.No woman should endure an UNWANTED pregnancy & no child should be UNWANTE
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Totally agree with your sharp analysis of the matter at hand.Yes, abortion should be accessible. Also, in order for the amount of abortions to be decreased, there must be more comprehensive contraceptive education for all involved.
Ty; I agree abortion & contraceptive ed. should be available, I think the problem goes deeper; promiscuity and reckless behavior are more rooted in psycho-sociological problems- people w/low self-esteem and make strings of irresponsible choices.
Guys with high self-esteem boast they could have had her in a minute.If anything its the powerful NARCISSTIC manipulators who are extremely persuasive who are part of the problem and are wrecking havoc and don't care. Its not really low self-esteem.
People with low self esteem are more easily manipulated. And narcissistic behavior often is a mask for self-esteem problems.
Your answer says it all. I completely agree.
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THANK YOU, a thousand applauses to you.
Thank you gmwilliams for your support. As you can see, the author of the question has not made any comments because she knows this is none of her business.
Yo do not care about the murders of innocent children?? God help you!!
I just saw your comment so you are wrong to judge me as assuming she knows, etc. It is God's place to judge those who murder, not mine. I'm saddened by the loss of so many babies and that was the main point of my thread. It wasn't to judge.
MissMelissak - how dare you question suzette. She has all the answers and even knows what you think and why you behave the way you do...typical of this type of person.
JThomp42: Some people do not believe the fetus is a life until it is born, therefore abortion is not the murder of an innocent child. Wake up to reality. Not all people believe the same way you do. Abortion is a private health matter.
AT 26 weeks?? C' mon!! A baby can be aborted at 26 weeks. Look it up instead of thinking you already know it all.
Some people believe if you are not a Muslim you are an infidel and should be killed. The "some people believe" defense, that's intelligent reasoning.
You are missing my point. You assume the fetus is a life. Look at WiccanSage's comment - not all people believe that a fetus is a viable life, therefore there is no loss of life, there is no murder. So, they are not appalled as you are.
No you are missing THE point - what people believe doesn't make it a fact. The fact is without a fetus there can never be a human being - quite simple therefore a fetus IS a human being. No different than without a child you cannot have an adult.
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Kathleen Cochran says
Well said. We are not to worry about the last days, eventhough things seem a little crazy in the world right now. I for one TRUST God and when he decides it's over, then we will all know it's over. Amen.
For clarification, If you are referring to my answer, dashingscorpio, you will note that I said "not enough people," not "no one cares." No doubt many people are against murder, but not enough as of yet.
CalebSparks, I had not read your answer. I was referring to the last sentence of (the original question) asked by MissMelissaK
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I do not have all the answers. I agree that we should pray for these people. The greatest commandment is to love. As much as I hate the murder of innocent children, I cannot control the actions of other people. I will pray for them.
Say a special prayer for Mr. Getitrite. He needs all he can get. Not because of his abortion stance, but because he seems so consumed by his own misery. I've heard that misery enjoys company. Don't be a victim.
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William E Krill Jr says
WELL SAID. I've found that the majority of the "pro-life" crowd also doesn't seem to want to fund programs for children, schools, single parents, and low-income families. Let women make their own decisions - it's hard enough for them as it is!
So you defend murdering 55 million souls? What if the government starts to eliminate the weak, the disabled, the elderly, etc. for the very same reasons you mentioned. Are you going to stand by your government if they decide to eliminate them?
Melissa: weak and elderly are people. Fetuses are fetuses. You can religious pray for the "souls" but in the end, they are cells that can't think, feel emotions or pain, do anything (despite what your pro-life literature may make up). Not the same!
According to your response the only women getting abortions are rape victims then. 55 million rape victims? That's a lot of raping. I bet very very few get abortions because they were raped. I would like to see some numbers.
Cree - babies do have rights. I donate to charities that help children in poverty (do you?). But yes, a woman does have more rights than a couple of cells inside her womb. It's ridiculous to compare a fetus to a baby. Women have rights to their body.
You may think it's not the same aliasis, but I'm not sure God would agree with you. What about the rights of the baby? A woman should be given the right to kill? Should the child have that same right to kill an inconvenient mother? No, right.
Since I'm an atheist, Christian mythology isn't a priority for me, but as a humanist, human rights are VERY important. Like the right of a woman to decide whether or not to become a mother, and the rights of real babies to live safe and healthy lives
Cree rape victims were included, it wasn't inclusive. Melissa, outside of praying for them, what would you do to solve the problems that come from making abortions illegal?
absolutely! I couldn't agree more peeples.
All these pro-lifers who want women to have unwanted child. Just give all the children to the pro-lifers to raise and see HOW quick they can their pro-life stance. Peeples, preach, preach! Another person who makes solid sense!
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The Stages Of ME says
Amen. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I believe those babies are in heaven too.
Wow! What you said was pretty powerful and honest. There are many men who USE women like sexual ashtrays and ask them to get rid of the baby, especially if they were just USING the mother. This is unfortunate and true.
Thanks MissM, but sadly the pro-abortion crowd has the mindset that they know what is best, do not believe in the God of creation and by their own commitment to their position on abortion must wear "55 million murdered" as a badge of accomplishment.
pro-choice is not pro-abortion. Most of us who are pro-choice don't presume to have the right to tell other women to do with their bodies. I am pro-choice, but would never have an abortion myself.
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