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amen Thank you for the great addition
PandN- You have a habit of hitting the nail right on the head. Great answer.
It is an answer that is typical of Christian zealotry. Cite evidence from your own text and call it empirical data. Meanwhile intelligent people are watching Cosmos.
cperuzzi- I just took a breif look at your profile information which now leads me to safely assume you are possibly atheist which may explains your worthless comment relating to this answer.
My profile mentions nothing about my Jesuit education. So I know a bit about history and mythology.
Unlike you, I can tell the difference.
Many atheist have great amount of knowledge of the bible and still don't believe in it. And many atheist are former christians. And yet YOU have not denied you are an atheist. I'm waiting......
cpu so you know catholic doctrine, but here we are discussing SCRIPTURAL doctrine, not the same thing
It's still mythology. You call it faith. All it is, is faith in a story. And, yes, you can have it. But your faith and philosophy are no better than anyone else's. And that's a fact.
cpu-- let me know how that works out for you at the judgement
cperruzzi- Just as I thought, your an atheist.
No, I'm not. My faith is not based on Biblical mythology. Yet, I can still have faith in God without having to believe in a fictional history written by shepherds in another country. My spirituality is based on my own philosophy.
cperuzzi- Well, then I'd say your Jesuit education was a waste of your time and didn't get you very far, did it. And I suppose your inteligent now because you are one of those watching the cosmos. Which somehow makes YOUR philosophy BETTER. Hummmm.
A Jesuit education is never a waste of time. Even the Jesuits know that either a person will embrace Christianity wholeheartedly or go the other way. Either way, the Jesuits' main dictum was the think and observe all evidence. Not blind faith.
cperuzzi- It's to bad you were misguided by a Jesuits education in the first place. It's ease to make a mistake like that. The bible is not require blind faith. Faith, in it's purest form comes from God to a believer. It's His faith given to us.
It doesn't? Really?!!
To hear you spout scripture as if it were history without facts is the very definition of blind faith. Anytime you read, "And the Lord said..." requires blind faith - otherwise it's mental illness.
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your opinion is that of the "churches of men" and not the truth of scripture, thats why Paul rebuked the churches.. There is ONLY one Correct interpretation of scripture and all Christians are supposed to work together to be of one accord
The Jewish people in the Bible were plainly told not to do it, but they defiantly continued in their Easter tradition, just as millions of supposed Christians still do today. (Jer 7:18-19, 44:16-17, 1 Kings 11:4-6)
No true Jewish person celebrates Easter. There is no such holiday in Israel. But you post it as though it is true. We don't celebrate Easter because we know He was not the Messiah. God gave many holidays
ds- this is posted to CHristians and not to jews, And whether you like it or not HE IS the Messiah. When God lifts your blinders you will the see it too. Thats why the veil was rent- God came out of the box and the new covenant began
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The part that screams "Ishtar" is by your own words, "...we recognize EASTER as a day to celebrate that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is risen and alive." Easter has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Do your research.
tz-- Real Christians believe in and FoLLOW scripture and not the traditions of men. That is what hirelings and church folks do in THEIR churches. Mixing the Holy with the profane is going against the word of God. Christians do not to that.
I'd caution you this: If you're implying (as it seems like) that a person's salvation and new life in Christ is dependent on the way or day of the year that he celebrates, you're wrong. Salvation is not from the works of man. Man can't save himself.
tz- . A Christian is one who Repents, accepts,submits to Christ and FOLLOWS Him-- "he who endures to the end SHALL be saved" MT 10:22, 24:13 & Mk 13:13. I suggest you start studying the bible not listening to what men teach but the Holy Spi
I'm not perfect by any means, but in the time I've been in Christ, I've yet to come across one instance of him saying "You did that on WHAT day? You're no follower of mine!" Perhaps a pharisee would say such a thing, but...
tz-- when you grow up, open your eyes and study for yourself with the guidance of the Holy Spirit instead of man you will see and understand many things they hide from you or lie to you about.. That is IF you do.
tradition of mans is not God;s way
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I don't believe in the same Jesus that you do. My Jesus has revealed what He thinks of pagan tradition in His Word. If you want to ignore God's Word and historical fact go ahead. I'm not buying into your Jesus. I am not that gullible.
"...a cheerful heart has a continual feast" Proverbs 15:15. If you look and see disobedience rather than joy, then that is a problem of your eyes, not their actions. Lighten up. Happiness is also one of His creations.
Goddesses of love and fertility were worshiped with spring festivals and gross immorality. The Roman Catholic Church, seeking to "Christianize" the pagans, gave new names and meanings to the old pagan festivals to keep their unregenerated joyful.
junk-- you best read the whole of that chapter instead of quoting a tiny bit out of context. esp vs 8 - 17
There is no problem with my eyes, only with your improper use of scripture.
A nugget of wisdom has no context. I am sorry if you two have no use for happiness and joy. Most of us have better things to do than flog ourselves for imaginary sins.
It sound to me like junkseller is another one who embraces blindness.
"A nugget of wisdom has no context." This statement self-destructs. "Happiness" and "joy" are just red herrings to the question posed.
You people are chasing down a guy in a bunny suit with pitchforks and torches and fail to see how absurd that is, but I am the one who is blind? I'll say it again, you guys need to lighten up. Jesus was full of laughter.
js no question your jesus is not the Jesus of the bible. Sounds like he is a good church jesus though. sorry you cannot take obscure scriptures and make a doctrine, ALL scriptures must support and complete each other
" Jesus just told me that the Easter Bunny is cute and candy is yummy". And you fail to see how absurd that is. Hummmmm
You do realize that some day you are going to have to explain why you were so nasty to people don't you?
Were I still Christian, I would agree with you. However, as it is your hell, you can burn in it.
js-- another statement that shows you have no comprehension of what Christianity is. I have no problem casting the moneychangers out of the temple and other such acts
Neither would I. As a matter of fact, I'd go one further. I'd work to insure that non only money changers leave the Church but any political movement as well.
Celafoe, Well, that's another thing I'd love to see you explain: who exactly you think you are to throw people out of His temple. Good luck with that.
ok this has deteriorated into a athiest vs Christian and can go no where good. No More on this thread . Anything added by JS or CPR after this will be deleted.
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Christopher Peruzzi says
you are pretty much correct, but it still does not make them valid holidays for the true church. Only for the "churches of men" are they of any value and that is not eternal, just temporal like all things of the "modern (false) church system"
Christians in the US don't have a monopoly on holidays. Memorial Day, Labor Day, Independence Day, Thanksgiving, New Years, President's Day, Columbus Day, and the list goes on. Even Good Friday seems to be left up to businesses as discretionary.
cpu yes the govt has no business making all those holiday, the emplyers should decide what their business will do. And men should not make the Christian holiday, God did it in the old testament and Jesus told us how to celebrate Him in the new
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unfortunately you are correct
celafoe- Maybe there are some who will one day start taking the time to study God's word and hopefully it will open their eyes and see.
we can only hope my brother the apostate church system has its tentacles deeply imbeded and to question them is considered rebellion, until they do read and hear the Holy Spirit for themselves they will remain in church bondage.
All it takes is spending some time to do some honest research and the blinders will come off. I was deceived for many years, but once I discovered the truth, I was shocked of what I allowed my family to partake in. We need to repent and turn from it.
PandN- I've been in the same boat as you. But there are those out there who seem to embrace their blindness. It does not have to be that way if they would just study or research as you have stated.
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Erin Trefz says
like most good church folks you do not believe following scripture that tells us not to mix the Holy and the profane is important in pleasing God and that disobedience ok. And there is nothing wrong with celebrating bastardized holidays
celafoe, I have just started reading my Bible as I should have been. I do not know every verse. What is the verse that talks about this? I would like to read it and address your question better.
Glad to hear you are reading and studying scripture for yourself as this is MOST important. there are several, i have to go out right now but will send them to you later when I get back
Actually, that's how Christians celebrate it. As the Christian Church had adopted the "me too" attitude, they celebrate with the resurrection - which isn't far off from the rebirth of the spring holiday. Why isn't it on the same day every year?
cp- not the Christian church. Your reference is to the "churches of men" which profess to be Christian but are not. The True Christian church does not celebrate any bastardized holidays, as Jesus said to, they celebrate communion
celafoe, I still am waiting for those verses you were going to get to me so I can read up on it and better understand where you are coming from.
Erin, I am sorry something came up and I have not had time, will try to get it to you later today
celafoe, I am still waiting on those verses..do they exist?
Erin- i usually answer within hour but it you got my emsil, I have been with a friend going in for heart surgery wed and that was my priority. I should have time today to answer you, i need time to be sure I give you what you want
Will we ever get these Bible verses you have referenced? It has been a long time and every time I ask something has come up.
ET-- because I was not able to answer you on here I sent you two emails. If you did not get them let me know . check your email and look in the junk file they may be there
I don't see & don't have time to go through my spam. Can you just post them here?
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Amp Lee says
No, there is nothing wrong with honoring your faith. Nothing at all - unless it interferes with the liberties of anyone else, have at it. I'll even go one further - you should always be grateful for what you have and praise the universe for it.
Yes there is something wrong. Scripture says do not mix the Holy & profane and thats what easter et al and xmas have done. This makes celebrating them DISOBEDIENCE. Jesus told us to remember Him by the communion meal, not bastardized holida
celafoe - The key words in "your faith" are "your" and "faith". There is no force on earth that can remove the belief or philosophy of a person who believes in it. Quoting scripture from a different faith is inapplicable and stupid.
cperuzzi-- the question has nothing to do with "your faith" the question was asking about Christianity and there is ONLY ONE REAL church of the real Jesus Christ. All divisions are abominations according to scripture. I am not stupid, i read it.
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Dane Swanson says
The problem is the "churches" of men do not acknowledge the sign of Jonah (3 days and 3 nights) Jesus gave, but make Him out to be a liar by celebrating Good Friday afternoon to Easter Sunday morning (2 days and 2 nights).
and since the scriptures tell us not to mix the Holy with the profane, by celebrating this heathen holiday that the "churches of men" have tried to Christianize we are disobeying God's Word. And Jesus said to celebrate Him with the communion meal
Jesus died in the middle of the week during Passover which means He raised from the dead Saturday morning. So turboy, you are like the rest of the so called christian, you're guessing. Try studying your bible.
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God always has a problem with disobedience. AND mixing the Holy and the profane is DISOBEDIENCE/ You have drunk the koolaid of the apostate liberal church system
The "true meaning of Easter" has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ. The "fun and games" are pagan with eggs and bunnies that are representative of worshiping the fertility goddess during the spring equinox. God does have a problem with it.
Yeah; The God doesn't have any " problem'' with man's problems; actually didn't Jesus said " Let both grow together till the harvest ?" -- You don't like it, be better, show them true face of the TRUTH and leave them alone ; FOR CENTURIES goes like .
The field is the world, Jesus does not say that the field where all the weeds and wheat grow together is the Church. (Matthew 13:38) Many blend in with the lukewarmness that Jesus “vomits,” but the true Bride is making herself ready.
The reference of wheat and weeds in the parable is about the Kingdom, not the church. PandN you are correct.
As I'm reading through these comments, all I can think of is the insanity that I thought died with Fred Phelps - which it apparently hasn't. I have lived my life being kind, this type of talk makes me glad I'm no longer Christian.
Cperuzzi - I hear ya. Honestly, I could totally understand why a person would find Christianity to be a total turn-off when his followers are so busy fighting about "who's better at following the rules" and throwing their self-righteousness around.
TZ- Since when is pointing out the truth concidered " throwing self-righteousness around." celafoe is simply pointing out truth. Just because you and those like you embrace ignorance and blindness when it come to God's word, dosen't mean we all do.
As long as we're talking about truth, I hope it equally bothers you that people worship in clothes (cloth derives from pagan god Clotho) or that they sing hymns (derives from pagan god Hymen). Just sayin. This seems to be "cherrypicking" at its best.
TZ- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe God made the first clothes to cover man because they were naked before they were removed from the garden of Eden? Clothes, therefore was God's idea, was it not? And even the Angels in heaven sing don't they?
tz--. I bring truth to those that can read. You can show truth to anyone but only those baptized in the Holy Spirit and learning through Him can see it. Church folk believe what they are taught not what the scripture say. True?? Easter??
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Deborah Sexton says
that is your opinion, but is scripturally wrong. see all the comment s for why
When saying something goes against the bible, prove it with scripture by posting it here. Which declaration do you disagree with? Verses please
celafoe- You can try and explain and quote verse to ds until your blue in the face. You might as well be talking to a blind Pharisee. I don't even bother to wasting my time with her.
i usually do that but it is a waste of time debating with you . as a jew your whole outlook and belief system is contrary to that of Christians.
Celafoe stop calling me derogatory names, I haven't called you anything although I could. I've had enough, now STOP
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