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Rod Martin Jr says
You sound like me ten years ago. Given quantum chromodynamics, the perceiver is able to effect that which is perceived. But how can people create heaven in their own minds once they are deceased?
Justin Earick says
God is above all dichotomy. He disregards nothing. Only those who use literal interpretation (misinterpretation) will see conflict and discord.
God did not create evil. He created good. Evil is the manifestation of the absence of good. Just like how dark is the absence of light.
Snowman - So you are saying the devil created evil? If that is so, then the devil is just as much our creator as god.
Why do you want to know the origin of evil?
Because I am curious as to where believers think evil comes from. Either god created everything, including evil, and therefore god is both the darkness and light. Or god didn't create anything, which means intelligent design and salvation are absurd.
Here's the answer to why there is evil.
We need to choose between good and evil. We need to know what good is. If everything was the same temperature, would we know what heat is?
We can't choose to be good if that's the only choice we have.
I'm not arguing that point, in fact you are making mine for me.
I didn't ask *why* there is evil - I am wondering how god can claim to be the embodiment of good if he is also the origination/creator of all the world's evil?
either both or neither.
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You're a good christian. Unfortunately, for good christians to exist, we also get the bad who would use their personal (or their pastor's) interpretation of scripture to justify homophobic bigotry, suppression of women & slut-shaming, Zionism...
You cannot possibly believe every word of the bible. Low hanging fruit - how can each of the four gospels have a different account of whom was present when it was discovered that Jesus' tomb was empty three days after his crucifixion?
Yes, I do. Here you go:
"Yes, I do" does not even attempt to answer the question, neither does the link.
How can the bible be both the literal and infallible word of almighty god and also the fallible work of man (whom have all fallen short)?
It cannot be both. Try again.
The bible originally was the word of God. Then parts of it God changed. Now it's mostly the word of God, with some parts missing and some parts that don't belong there.
Meh, believe what you want. I don't see the contradictions you see. I see corroborating testimonies from different perspectives. That's the difference: Perspective.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Believers are so precious. So now; 'perfect god made the perfect bible. then perfect god made imperfect changes, so now god's perfect bible is imperfect because of god.'
Oh, and it's all still literally true...
God didn't make the changes, people did.
So to recap, you admit that fallible men have changed the bible from what god intended, aaaand you believe every word of the bible to be literally true because it is "the word of god in written form"?
These are opposing ideas, both cannot be true.
Much of the bible is symbolic and not literally true. Like the book of Revelation. There's no way all those weird beasts and stuff are literally true.
Yes. people made a few changes to the bible, but most of it has remained unchanged.
So before you said you believe every word is literal truth, now it's mostly symbolic.
Problem being, too many folks think their (pastor's) personal interpretation is the literal word of god & use it as justification to suppress women and gay peop
I'm not Snowman, I believe it's literal and perfect, not just some allegorical story. It's never been changed, and the findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls prove that. The Isaiah scroll by itself is sufficient evidence.
Not meant to be taken literally. Snakes & burning bushes don't talk. Virgins don't have kids. People can't be made from a rib, ascend to heaven, live inside of a big fish, or to 900 years old. And the earth is much much older than 6000 years old.
The snake was Satan. God is a consuming fire. There is only one virgin birth, and that was it. Never heard of cloning, and why not x3? It's probably closer to 5,984 years old, not quite 6k yet.
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Josh Makaveli says
Holy books? I assume you mean the Koran, the Torah, the Book of Mormon, Gnostic gospels, Greek mythology..
What about the Pastafarian gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster who offers salvation with an after-life of meat-sauce with garlic & parme