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1. The church is people not a building that's obvious. 2. A cursed life was never intended for God's people, true! But many "Christians" live a life of destruction instead of victory. The topic is the definition of generational curses.
The topic is whether generational curses apply to Christians. They don't. True believers live a life of victory with spiritual blessing. In the book of Job, Satan desired to prove that Job only served God because of His physical blessings.
trg- this is off subject, I will answer. Are you sure they are Christians or are they church folk? If they are Christian then they missing out on what Jesus gave us because of unbelief or false belief
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Rod Martin Jr says
The Rising Glory says
no scripture support.
scripture and therefore I, disagree with your definition of generational curse but we agree with your conclusion. in OT God put curses on persons and their descendants for generations. salvation delivers from all curses.
The Raising Glory- I believe if you read Deuteronomy chapters 26 through 28 it list many of the curses by God that can/ could fall upon the children of Israel of the Old Testament. These curses do not effect christians since Jesus died on the cross.
graceinus, I would assume by your handle that you subscribe to the new grace teaching. We've been redeemed from the curse of the law, but not from obedience. Read Matt 7, red letters and much of Paul's writing + James and you'll see more.
trg- you assumed wrong he does not believe that. but i will let him explain
The Raising Glory- In this case I am talking about the curses described in Deuteronomy which does NOT APPLY to christians because of grace through faith that we received since Jesus death on the cross. It's that simple. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ok Grace, dealing only with Deut, spec 28. Which items mentioned are not suffered by many Christians today? This subject is about obedience/disobedience. There is the ability to live above this in the NT but obedient or dis-o did not change in the NT
celafoe, I disagree with your comment, "God put curses on persons...." Deut 11:26 God set before people a decision which was based on obedience or disobedience. He wanted them to choose obed which = blessing. Mal 3:6 = God changes not.
The Pastor- I never said christians would not suffer. I'm saying it is not God who is inflicking suffering upon us as punishment. Which was the idea behind the curses in Deuteronomy 26-28 for the children of Israel. Christians are now under grace.
trg- You have somehow gotten this thread completely off the subject of the question. curses by God to endure for generations for whatever reason. I did not use a Deut scripture.
I'll bow out & apologize for "getting the thread off topic," but my point remains. God never punished, any curse was a result of decisions. Redemption under which grace operates provides an escape but even in the NT it's a result of a decision.
trg-- of course it is punishment, for thinking you know better than God and not believing Him. A wrong decision has consequences and they are usually a form of punishment for not trusting Him or mom or dad or the boss or ---
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ok it was an excellent answer and you gave scripture as requested
Here's the problem. You confuse "curse" with the "curse of the law." "Curse" predates the law back to Adam's fall. Gen 3 - do you hold that women no longer bare children in pain and mankind no longer toils against thorns and thistles since grace?
trg- no the problem is you do not understand there are several different kinds of curses. you must go to the original languages, translations do not differentiate & are unreliable. The curse you mention here is not the one of which we speak.
God did not curse Adam directly, but cursed the ground increasing the work he would have to do to make it produce. That curse is still in effect today and will not be removed until the 2nd Coming. (Romans 8:22)
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