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Best Answer John Harper says
Hi Aquasilver, I agree with what u say. I just updtd the older hub about Peter. I have noticed lots of changes in that Bible twisting words to mean what they want them to mean and being more forceful, akin to what King James did. They show no love
Not bad aguasilver. Ever seen the film Amazing Grace? Its about how slavery in the British Empire came to an end. Those responsible for its demise were humanist Christians. You sound like one of them.
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Rod Martin Jr says
Yes it is EGO and about leaving the people and moving on if they do not want to hear. I read up on the Essense and all the books they did not allow in the Bible that we have today. U begin to C why the church tells you they are false.
I am a minister, but the definition of one in the Bible is NOT what those clergy of today thinks it is. I get kicked off some ?'s here because I do not succumb to their threats. That is selfish and will never get anyone into heaven.
Spreading the good word is not at all "conversion." This whole discussion is about the difference between strong-arm sales and informative marketing.
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Amen! Share the good news and love. Christ said to leave those who are not interested. There are plenty of people who are interested. We need to find them.
lone77star, we must let the people know that Christ has come to save the world but we must also respect what they believe in and that respect is all that matters in the end, right? :)
Save the world? From what? Did Jesus not say that he put the laws in the minds and hearts of mankind? We no all the laws and the Kingdom of God is Within all of us. God,Satan,Good,Evil,War,Peace are all in that Kingdom and it is all within us.
Lady Guinevere, if you believe that God's kingdom is already in you, then so be it. But a lot of people are seeking assurance for their afterlife so they turn to religion. They believe in salvation bec they want something more to live for.
Xmags, I only believe it because Jesus said it. Yet another thing that religion is not teaching that Jesus told us. That isn't the only things either!
I believe that faith is a very personal thing and religion can never teach you something you do not wish to learn. Everything is in the bible and I guess all we have to really do is to just study it ourselves. Meditate it day and night, as they say.
Not everything is in that Bible and it even says so, in that Bible. Religions do not teach that nor do they teach that The Kingdom is Within you. That would FREE people from the church.
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"Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth; having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them -- to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit," NOT Make disciples.
I can't find the translation we used years ago in our church which said "and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name ..." All I found were modern translations which I think do change the meaning. "Disciples" does change the meaning. Thanks.
Yeah, many things are being manipulated. Just what is going on and what direction is all this taking people? What is the master plan that most do not see? Strange huh?
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Eric Dierker says
Ericdierker I saw and liked your post on the Q that I was banned from. That was the one that got me to ask this question. Good answer!! b4 my comment were deleted someone said that the only purpose was to convert. I knew it was not true.
Rod Marsden says
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
18 At that hour came the disciples near to Jesus, saying, `Who, now, is greater in the reign of the heavens?'
2 And Jesus having called near a child, did set him in the midst of them,
3 and said, `Veri
strephó: to turn, i.e. to change (4762e)
Original Word: στρέφω
Part of Speech: Verb
Phonetic Spelling: (stref'-o)
Short Definition: I turn, am converted, change
Definition: I turn, am converted, change, change my direction.
Convert to what? Jesus was not a Christian. It does not say and in the YLT is is like a child. In the version you gave it is harsh as to convert. I am just saying things are being manipulated and there is no love in them now.
That definition sure looks and acts like our notion of repent. I guess a conversion is a repentance of sorts. So in that sense certainly not. John was a forerunner to Christ and so not converting to Christianity.
Jesus was part of the Essenes, which were a select group of a select group of Jews. They were NOT to convert but just spread his messages, which no one is getting. mst of his teachngs from Essense was ommitted from the Bible.
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