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Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
I agree many churches have gone by the wayside but I think Jesus had His disciples start churches for us to fellowship and worship Him together. I don't think God intended us to get our salvation and stand alone. How does love play into your theory?
The context of Rom 10:14 is is not saying how shall believers hear from God without a pastor as if we are spiritually deaf without him, but referring to the unsaved Jews, not to believers in Jesus Christ . Rom 10:1 in context refers to the Jews.
The context of chapter 15 sure is about Paul Preaching. Probably all preachers are not Satan's instrument like you would have us believe.
P&N: I agree wholeheartedly re: institutionalized,but why go back under law (Ecclesiastes)? Col 3:17. Must be Jesus' Doctrine or another man-made organization. Acts 2:42. Re:Preachers.Someone must tell. Who? See resp under Olivia! Must b Jesus
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Jennifer Nein says
God does say where two or more gather in my name there I am also; so no; it does not take a building and large number of people.
Jackie - the verses in context (Matt 18:19-20) you are referring to is about bringing two or more witnesses when confronting/ disciplining a brother/sister in Christ concerning sin. Read Matt 18:15-20. It is not about a "church" meeting.
P&N: Did u hear v 19: "...any thing they shall ask...?" Not only "when confronting/discipling a brother/sister in Christ concerning sin," but ANYTHING! So said Jesus!
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The Examiner-1 says
Sometimes you just have to keep looking Kevin; many are disappointing but many are wonderful and have wonderful bible studies. Well I assume Catholics do but I would not really know. I do love a good spirit felt church...they are important; esp now.
I only went to a few (when I was in NJ) and a good amount of the other people that I saw were just meeting and talking with friends - in church - not praying. Now I do not have a car so I do it at home.
Well certainly you cannot help it then but God does say where there are two or more in My name there I will be also so at least with a friend or family member would be great; to benefit you of course it is not a rule or law.
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John Connor says
See response to Olivia above! OMG!
Rod Martin Jr says
TX: Keep learning!
Sam Little says
That's good; as long as they do not teach what is not from the bible or accept things against the bible; we are all human and probably small things will work out with a little Christian love!
OMG! Tradition? II Tim 2:15. Under New Cov! Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16. Promise Jn 14:26 Came Acts 2:2, We should do as apostles only Acts 2:42.Otherwise not scriptrure!
That may be true but I think the bible teaches us to fellowship and it is important that be with true believers. We need to encourage and be there for each other in the end days which I do believe we are headed for. No?
Yes Jackie, " we " "" need to be there "" where worship and praise brings glory of God into the fellowship as the manifestation of His presence brings miracles, as " we " encourage each others reporting the deeds of the kingdom in " our" life done
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Hebrews 10:25 is not endorsing church, or commanding people to meet on a particular day, but was for the Israelite believer to not become monastic and celibate avoiding their call staying away from civilization, but to be lights in the world.
I agree with you that we do need to fellowship and church is very important. How much of Revelation is dedicated to what God thinks of different ones?
The Ekklesia were not referred to as different man-made denominational churches in buildings, but a locality of people within a certain city/ area, hence Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamun, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Loadicea.
The church addreses the very situation that Hebrews spoke of. Yes, we need to read the Scriptures for our own understanding but keep in mind faith in Jesus was spread by word of mouth from people who knew the gospel to those who did not.
We note that Paul's letters were all to churches or the heads of churches.
Good point Eric!
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