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Rich Kelley says
Rich- You are correct. Sometimes I let my mouth run to much. Thanks for reminding me.
I dont see it as God tolerating , scripture says it will get worse then comes the judgement. His word speaks against at ALL times. He is following scripture so all have a chance to make a choice. Semantics ????
Rich- Something you said that was not caught the first time I read your Answer. You siad God tolerates many things in this world. I disagree. He does NOT tolerate sin. Jesus death on the cross was to take ALL our sins. There is NO toleration of sin.
allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.
This sure sounds like what God is doing.
Rich- Jesus death on the cross was the interference. Through Christ we (believers) WON'T BE JUDGED. You think because God is not acting on punishing sin right now shows He tolerate it. NO. If God was tolerating then we wouldn't need Grace.
So you think that the WORD OF GOD condemning ALL SIN EVERY DAY is allowing is allowing without interferance, esp since we are to deal with the sin amongst us. See Mt 18 and many more
How many times did/does God allow us to sin? Don't like the word tolerate, pick one. He sure puts up with a lot as we decrease and allow Him to increase. Why is there still sin in the world?
Grace love . There is still sin in the world because man-all of us, has a free will and NONE of us have fully appropriated the righteousness of Christ which is there for us
Rich- It not about how many times we sin? It's all about ONE grace.Sin is still in the world because God's Kingdom is not yet on earth. In the New Jerusalem on the New Earth you can sure bet there will be NO SIN.
perhaps allow is a better word. Our free will must decrease and His will increase, or we might hear "I never knew you".
Rich - now this i agree with, totally scriptural
Rich- Please read Metthew 24:4-14. But make note of verses 6 where it mentions "all these things MUST COME TO PASS". Have you ever thought, Why. MUST it come to pass.
I'm sure it is just a choice of words issue.
He is allowing these things to come to pass, I think the word tolerate is heard as though He approves, which He doesn't. I won't be using the word anymore with disciples.
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Chad Young says
Then would you agree that they have no business posting on here.?
I FORGOT TO ALSO SAY HUBS.
Good to hear from you brother, hope all is well with you.
celafoe- I would state that many don't understand the CONTEXT of scripture. They just throw verses out there to try to make their point. But much what they "might" quote is most often out of context. They shouldn't write what they don't know. Agreed.
I think that some are not called to give refutation or confrontation. That is not something we can chose for ourselves or at least should not. But I agree on the errors being more the norm than the rule.
Eric - i will have to disagree, anyone teaching Must be able to support their work with scripture in context. Rememer James 3. They are not responsible whether or not they are believed, but must be able to explain.
OR DO NOT TEACH.
I wholly agree for teachers. And James is where I find the most on point scripture. But what of casual conversation? There needs to be a place where the ideas are just bounced around to bring further understanding.
Eric - that in no way is part of this question. Are hubs casual conversation? Of course not. Is a hub teaching of course it is.
Thank you for that correction celafoe. I do not think my comments here are meant as teaching.
Eric - then what is their purpose?
celafoe- I forgot to mention, yes I'm doing well and very (as always) happy. It's always great to see your Hub's, Questions and comments. I hope, you too, are doing well. Many blessing to you brother.
I think most comments are to test the waters and learn and grow. Sometimes we learn the most by an open exchange of ideas and not being preached at. Many times I have learned much here without someone teaching me.
Eric - semantics -- if you learned from someone, then they taught you
Then my four year old is a teacher for I learn much about life from him?
Eric- yes as do all parents
Rich-I just caught something you said and somehow missed it in my first read of your answer and should have said something. You said God IS tolerating many things in this world. I disagree. Jesus death on the cross prove God does not tolerate anysin.
We need to pay attention to children, I can use all the help there is.
Mar_10:15 Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."
Rich- I agree
Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
This is the reason Christ died on the Cross.
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Eric Dierker says
Eric-The whole point of the bible is to reveal truth. Truth lies with the context of scripture that God established. Many of those who believe they are very mature are the ones responsible for creating false doctrine by taking verses out of contexts.
Eric - i know you have a problem with any definate statement. But the scriptures are full of them. I am talking to supposed Christians here, who are teaching what they believe seee James
Eric-Ecclesia first showed up in Greek text in 500 BCE to mean called out, assemblyor congregation. Church first appeared in Geneva NT in year 1557 which was translated by William Whittingham. Well surely church could not exist 500 year before Jesus.
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Why is it better? To avoid confrontation? Jesus never avoided confrontation, nor did Paul. They always hit it head on. So why is it better for us not to?
Have you actually sat back and wondered, why am I going on these rants, is anyone even taking the time to read this? If there is one sure thing that I have learned on this site is we are not going to get anyone to listen with an iron fist. #wwjd
WWJD? That's a loaded abbreviation! Dare we presume to know what Jesus would do? I guess he would correct falsehoods & declare the truth, not that it would change a heretic's mind but to spread the good seed that may fall on fertile ground.
Tsad - i dont know why or who is modersting your comment but so you know i like your comment and agree
Z, I think you just made the case for deleting comments
Zelkiiro..... this site is not the place where you can say things like you have said about me. I suggest leaving my name out of your vocabulary. You have no reason to continue with these personal attacks against me. The proper steps will be taken.
Celefoe, you can mark my comments as not spam and it will show. Delete this comment or leave it as spam. If you want to know why send me an email in my fanmail and I'll explain why they moderate that.
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Michael Milec says
You are confussing tolerence with grace.And they're not the samething As I said God does not tolerate anything.
More and more becomes abvious to me that only acceptable / or approved comments are of those from members of " ekklesia ". Nothing bothers me of a man, my approval rating doesn't makes any differents who am I in the Heavenly Father's avowal.
Mm close but no cigar. The only acceptable answer must be scripturally correct and God says only those of the ekklesia are able to correctly understand it, close but still lacking
Interesting. What is the scripture for that. I understand it to be the assembly of folks as opposed to a building.
Michael-milec- Those of the ecclesia will NOT fall into the trappings of man made churches. You want to get sucked up into their anti-christ garbage then by all means go for it. Matthew 5:45 has nothing todo with tolerence.Tolerence is false doctrine
Graceinus I have always read 1 Corinthians 9:21-25 as suggesting at the very least tolerance for all kinds.
Eric- You say "suggesting" or stating, I have never read anything in God's word that say we must tolerate.
graceinus, I would say that I would like to be tolerated and so would my neighbor. Matthew 22:36-40 seems to cover tolerance as I would say that 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 is the epitome of tolerance toward one another.
Eric-If you believe for a moment that God tolerates (sin) then His Will and Plan has no meaning or purpose.
I certainly cannot stop you from thinking that.
Graceinus, if you live around this country, you might have hear of Las Vegas, does God Almighty know what is happening in there ? Or is ekklesia praying for them not being destroyed the way of Sodom and Gomorrah. . . Yet He tolerates more then "us".
Michael- Those living in Las Vegas have as much chance as anyone else to receive God's grace through faith. It's up to those individuals living there. And by the way, I have a member of my family who live there. And yes I pray for her.
Eric - "iwould like to be tolerated" your words. I do not want to be tolerated, i want to becscripturally correct, whatever the cost. To be a Christian teacher self must die. There is no room for personal desires. The will of the Father only
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Mm-sorry but Christianity is Never "here
" or anywhere else for business. And NO , God does not acceptus as we are we are expected to change. New creation by repentance . Actually i do speak to them. Just trying to wake up the apethetic ones
celafoe, please do not be so angry that you can't quote what I said"Hub Pages are here for business..." NOT as you say"christianity is never for business... Besides God does accept your christianity as it is because of His right,...-tolerates- is be
Mm please give me scripture proff for both. Thank you
Of what " both", please.
Michael-Milic- What colafoe is saying is faith is not and should not be treated as a business. True faith in God and His word is not for sale. Hubpages makes money off ads. God does not "tolerate" ANYTHING, that's why there WILL be a judgement day.
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