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Best Answer Lawrence Hebb says
Lawrence, what an insightful answer here! Yes, He fulfilled the law and we now have a new covenant. Nothing can take away what He did on that cross for us. We are sealed in the Lamb's book of life. Praise Him! And God bless you. In His Love, Faith Re
Exodus 32:33 And the LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
Sin can "unseal" one's destiny. Kind of what Hebrews 10:26-27 is saying.
Thanks, Rich, I know sin blocks our relationship with Him and we must repent. I do know what He did on that cross, His blood covered our sins and once we accept Him as Lord over our lives, we are sealed. Yes, we may sin, nothing can undo the cross.
Rich: It's a New Day (New Cov=Grace)! "The Cross" chgd that (fulfilled law).Under New Cov=Confess/Repent! The law was HARD, Grace is EASY! It's such "GOOD NEWS" no one can blv it! Want to stay under LAW! They don't mix! Did Christ die in vain?
You believe in a different Jesus than I do. Nothing you say will be taken seriously no matter the amount of scripture you quote. Sorry that you have created this situation with your apostate beliefs. May God have mercy on what you say.
Yes Grace is wonderful! God loves us and the writer shows us how much better the New covenant is, but with it comes a warning not to go back to the old!
It's not sin that's the issue but turning our backs on Grace by adding those little extras
Law: You got it! I Wish they'd READ Gal:3&4! We're no longer under "Schoolmaster" Gal 3:24 (Law)! Turning back or not acknowledging GRACE is the problem! Did Christ die in vain? Why don't ALL come fm under law? Can't mix! Gal4! If do, belief errs
Norine you have not explain how Jesus in the water being baptized . King James Version Mt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased . A voice in heaven while Jesus on earth being baptized.
Hi Lawrence and all here, thank you all for your participation and passion for the Word of God. Yes, not turning back and adding the extra rules of religious doctrines ...God bless you all. In His love, Faith Reaper
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I think you are correct on the subject , I believe this is like a person has lost respect for the value of Jesus blood poured out in our behalf,
It is like you give a person a diamond to only find it laying by the garbage can, and you are shocked !
Hi TSAD, Wonderful insight into the scripture. I, too, believe that if one is TRULY saved one, would not go on willfully sinning.We are all a work in progress and once the Holy Spirit is in us TRULY, He will continue to do a mighty work in us.
Norine do not mix bible truth with misuse of Jesus. I love Jesus ,you love Jesus,lady loves Jesus and it would be wrong to say one does not because
What you believe and say is not what the scriptures is saying.You have knowledge but not all accurate
Lady I am just replying to your comment not a debate of scripture . It is the truth of the subject as you also just posted on faith topic.
It is important for the truth to be spoken to all as well, we will be in contact with email still compiling .
K&T: One can "love" Jesus but if not doing what He says "in rt context" u still err! What I blv is fm Script & it'd behove u to "search the Script" to see! No one "willfully" sins if they love the Lord. Look at Peter! But LOOK AT JESUS! GRAC
To Rich I used that scripture to prove that he does not burn anyone in a fire. It never came up in his heart to do a detestable thing. Where do you see a problem I don't. I am aware of what has happened worship to Molech.
K&T: Jn 4:24. Not a "literal" fire! "Consequences" of Sin! Consequences are "HELL" or so I've noticed! "They "caused" their sons & daughters (by sinning) to pass through "the fire" means suffer consequences which we will do in "hell" if we s
Moraine you just quoted (given ) to Jesus. ,Who gave it! ? The Father who is greater gave it.
King James Version Mt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
A voice from heaven ,while on earth.
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Chris Mills says
Hi Chris, I am so happy you have taken time to answer here! I appreciate you sharing how you have understood the teaching. It is interesting to know how each one interprets it, and that you found it simple. God bless
Faith, If the Bible is God's Word to humankind,then it was written for the common man, not the theologian.The meaning will be a hard hitting, simple truth. The longer the explanation to a single verse, the more I doubt the validity of such an answer.
Hi Chris, Yes, that is a great point you have there! Before I was saved and read the Bible, I did not understand it, but since being saved, now when I read it, He makes it clear to me. Thank you for that, Chris! God bless you.
The Bible's purpose is in 2 Timothy 3:14-17.The whole theme is as simple as it can be,it is redemption,we lost it in Genesis&we're going to regain it in Revelation,we regain it through the inspired word of God.Still the Bible says to study it.
Jesus taught in stories that revealed one, powerful truth. If He is the author of the whole book, it will all have this signature quality of simplicity. That is why I look for the simplest meaning.For Heb 10:26-27, Acts 4:11-12 is a parallel passage.
I wanted to be more sure , I did research on the Newer Translation, it does not have God's name in there at all, totally deleted
At least The first does recognize the Author
K&T:Yet the Msg is the same!Jesus created the world, came as ex, died for rem of our sins, sent HS to help us w/His Words, giving us oppt to "STUDY"& rightly div His Word,for He will return! Why bother w/ALL trans when HS teaches & guides
Norine Jesus Colossians 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
If man has first born sons ,and we exist why is it impossible to create his own first born being Jesus. Why do you limit God's power and Glory.
K&T: Jesus Fathered Himself! Did u rd v16? "For by HIM (JESUS) ALL THINGS were created..." THE Spirit was "manifested in the flesh" JESUS! While every place else! (Col 2:9) Don't relate flesh to Spirit! Rm 8:5! Jn 4:24! Come on Now!Not apples&
Norine you refuse the truth of the scriptures
you are saying Jesus has no Father, when Jesus says he does, he prayed to him.
you do not accept what is written. And you do not agree with anything written. Sad.
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TheHealthGuy LM says
AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN. Well said we share the same understanding. Norine is propagating that Judas was saved when Jesus went to the grave when the bible says he is LOST. Indirectly she is calling the word a lie. N If he was saved then satan to is!
Also we must remember who sent Jesus, King James Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.the sin was against the Father.
Lady: Why do u continue? Jn 21:22! U read Matt 27:3-4? That's exactly what we do to b forgiven! I Jn 1:9; Acts 3:19 Did Jesus Lie?Jesus spk Matt 17:12 under law before grave & grace!Let's Lv Jesus' bz alone! Jn 21:22 & stick 2 quest! Forgive
U remember pharoah's words to Moses when he told him see my face no more Moses? he was rude!! But i will take this opportunity to ask you to see my face nor speak to me no more Norine Williams Ischariot!
Lady? Sounds like the Scribes & Pharisees to me! Thank you!
I Cor 14:38!
Thank you so much, TheHealthGuy LM, for putting in your two cents which I believe are worth a lot more than two cents. Wow, I should have posted this in a forum, so that responses to comments are not so short!
Faith: Thank you so much for your patience with us! I do see the fruit of the Holy Spirit in you! Again, thks for listening to my revelation! I know it's unheard of n "religion" but if they 'look at Jesus in the Spirit, His Mercy, they'd "see"JESUS!
Hi Dear Norine, Here he mentions the fruit of spirit, and He tells us in His Word, they shall be known by their fruit. God bless you, Jo, Kiss and Tales, and all here who have taken the time to care enough to answer. Hugs
In regards to Judas. Well, I am certainly not God and can't judge but I can take a scripturally educated guess. #1 Judas betrayed (rejected) Jesus. John 3:16-20 for his fate. #2 He committed suicide (self murder) Exodus 20:13 He's cooking as I type.
Healthy guy well it is only normal that we sum up where he could have gone to. He is in hell being tormented ..hell is a place of Torment and when Christ comes he will cast death ad hell into the lake of fire . Rev 20:14. The oven has been heating up
LM: Betrayal & Suicide are not unforgivable! Matt 27:3-4? Judas C&R as we do today! U fail to realize that grace wasn't eff yet! Then Jesus went into grave w/grace for ALL prisoners! TRADITION/RELIGION KILLS! STUDY! John 21:22!
Lady a wonderful thing to remember
New World Translation Ro 6:23 For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
Death is payment for all we do.It did not say we pay by a torment fire
K&T: The "second death" is hell if we have not obtained "everlasting life" through Christ Jesus (Rm 6:23)! You can't get around Rev 20:14! Let's not just "pic & pull" to justify our beliefs but "rightly divide" by putting ALL words n right co
Also Norine you need to do more research on translation and words the Greek translation for the word King James used is stake. Jesus did not die on a cross to pieces of wood. That is false . Kingdom Interlinear Col 1:20 Greek uses the word stake.
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Norine Williams says
Hi Norine, You have shared great insight into the scripture here! Yes, praise God for His Grace and Mercy. Salvation is a free gift, and we must repent. I am so glad He knows our hearts. The Holy Spirit immediately convicts me in such matters.
Faith: II Peter 3:9 "...but is long-suffering toward us, "not willing that any should perish," but that all should come to "repentance." Yes, He "..immediately convicts us in such matters." It's so easy for He "Works" not we yourselves! Thk u Jesus!
Yes, He came to save the world and loves us all so much that He does not want anyone to perish. Praise Him! So great is His faithfulness Thank you, dear Norine. In His Love, Faith Reaper
You see Norine that is the problem we are not to throw stones ,name call , to prove a point. But we are to be sure of the more important things.
Jesus Judged Judas before he completed betrayal . The point is there was no return once he finished.
K&T:Where did I throw stones w/o using Word of God which is "the most important Thing?" "I" don't judge, the Word does!Judas "lost" under "law" which hadn't been fulfilled when spoken!But Jesus took "grace" to the grave! Thk u JESUS! KNOWS?Jn 21:
Lady burning people is a detestable thing to the Heavenly Father , he does not do this to anyone, you are mixing Jesus parables and illustrations of fire
,fire was used to understand no return. Death can not be burned in fire . But ended .
K&T: I'm opened to your discussions regarding "there is no hell!" Please "prove" this from Scripture? I want to "know" & "grow" in His Word. Not argue, but "rightly divide His Word," w/o complacenty!
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Hi Word, Yes, I have heard that before too. Thank you for sharing that insight. God bless you and yours
Word:Yes, true, if there is a "spiritual man" in the family for that's how God intended marriage. For those without "a man" or a "spiritual man" (which he has no "Spiritual Word) Christ is the head!Rem:Gal 3:27 "...there is neither male nor female...
Eve brought the fruit to Adam not Adam mislead Eve. Eve was deceived.
Rich: He didn't have to eat knowing God told him not too! Both disobeyed, both deceived, both cursed! What does this have to do with "no man" involved, then Christ is the Head? Or are u defying Gal 3:27?
my comment was to correct what word55 had written. Adam did not mislead Eve.
Rich: In line w/his topic, Word's trying to show that "man" should "stand up" & be resp to the Word! Adam DID NOT have to eat if he would've "stood up" things would've been diff! But this was NOT God's Will! He knew fm begnin He would have to com
Until the statement "Adam was to blame for the misleading of Eve" (not what scripture says) I don't care what point is trying to be made. You don't start off wrong and expect people to believe the rest of what you say. That is deception.
Rich: Did you not hear me say "But this was not God's Will?" This says untrue! Adam was deceived by woman, Eve was deceived by snake, both sinned!He knew their sinful hearts & He would have to come! As u ovrlkd my words so does man ovrlk God's Wo
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Now, to answer the question in my own words, that scripture means to me that I should not sin willfully. There is a high price to pay for doing that. God has helped me to understand that to sin is to oppose Him, myself, maybe someone else and or othe
Hi Word, Thank you so much for sharing your insight into the scripture. Yes, sin blocks our relationship with Christ, and even our prayers. Looks like your answer was cut off a bit, but since I've commented, you may continue to comment now. God bless
Mt 26:24True, the Son of man is going away, just as it is written concerning him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born.
Judas did the unforgivable
K&T: What do we have to do to be forgiven of sins? Confess & repent, right? Read Matt 27:3-4. What say ye?
Norine your statement is true about forgiveness, but we must remember all things have a limit , Adam and Eve, Judas, satan, and remember the sin is not against humans but the Heavenly Father . And he is the only one that can read hearts we can not.
K&T:In that we agree "we cant read hearts" That's why I say dont be hard on Judas for we do not KNOW! It goes against Scripture when we say he is lost for we dont know what happened In the grave! Jn 17:12 was spoken under law THEN He went to gra
Norine Jesus already made the Judgment against Judas, he did not have to carry betrayal out. New World Translation Mr 14:21 but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”
K&T:Jesus told him to "go!"&He allowed Satan to take him over!Judas had no choice!Jn 17:12 "..that script might be fulfilled."When he spoke the Words,He hadn't shed His blood!Rd: Matt 27:3-4!Judas confes'd & repntd! Isn't that what we do
Judas felt remorse after the betrayal, but he never repented of his deliberate sin. Consequently, Judas is not worthy of a resurrection. Jesus therefore called him “the son of destruction.”—John 17:12; Matthew 26:14-16
K&T: Read Matt 27:3-4 again! Do u not see the word "repented?" What r u reading? Why do u say he did not repent of this deliberate sin? Did Matt 27:3-4 lie? Matt & John under "law" there was no grace until the grave for prisoners!
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Jackie Lynnley says
Thanks Jackie for the great answer! Yes, sin separates us for sure from Him. The ones who intentionally sin day after day without repentance makes me wonder if they were truly saved. We are all sinners no doubt, but intentionally that is dangerous!
Faith I appreciate your answer, we all were born to sin, but difference in the sin is say you go and murder some one, then you also pray and say forgive me to a priest, then you walk right out the door an repeat the same thing tomorrow.prayer in vain
Hi Kiss and Tales, Yes, I would not think that person was ever truly saved in the scenario you described. Thank you for your participation here. God bless you.
Notice at Jere 32:35 ! in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through the fire to Moʹlech, something that I had not commanded them and that had never come into my heart to do such a detestable thing, causing Judah to sin.
K&T: Does this show ur belief there's no hell? Jer 32:33-35 "Baal" idol, Satan. Of course "detestable" to God "causing them to pass through fire" (hell)! Rightly divide the Word for in It is "eternal life!"
Written never came up into God's heart to pass people though fire as written
That includes children, Fire of eternal simply means in Jesus parables to end life forever not to return. Jesus would not speak unless he used illustration as written.
K&T:Put Script in "right"context or u will err! Seek HS guidance! Jer 32:35 has nothing to do w/hell! It's about idol worship & consequences incurred (pass thru fire) which God detests seeing His children suffer bcuz disobedient. Are u testi
Also Norine Jesus was created like us and also remember he died for us. The Heavenly Father does not die he is Eternal. Notice
King James Version Isa 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength.
K&T: Jesus was NOT created like us thru intercourse! "Died" so u could relate to "It is Finished" (Law fulfilled/FLESH, Manifestation died-but NOT Spirit)! He was in grave (I Pet 3:18-19) "Preaching to prisoners!" Was NEVER dead then! Jesus is G
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Hi Robert, I was having a discussion on this scripture with my husband, and was curious as to how others may interpret it. Yes, we are a work in progress and He is not through with us. I am happy that His mercies are new each day. Tx, God bless.
Rob: Why are ur words speaking to me re: condemnation? It's like the Holy Spirit's talking to me thru you! Thank u Robert! Thank u Jesus!
Rom 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
True Rich we all are battling the flesh that we should not die based on not conquering the flesh.
Rich/K&T: Yes, it's a battle! Thank God "He" looks at the "heart" to see if we've sinned "willfully" ! Not as "man!" Paul sinned! Never conquered flesh! Sin will be a battle as long as we're alive in body! "REIGN" "OBEY" key words Rm 6:12!
The mortal body is what has to be looked at not the heart not the spirit, the flesh. Paul's words are very clear, no need to read into and change the meaning of what is written. We are to die daily, Christ said so not Paul but they both agree no sin.
Rich:Agreed!We die daily!The "mortal body" changes (for we have no desire) when the HOLY SPIRIT kills (chgs) us, not we ourselves, lest any man should boast!Do u no HS spoke thru Paul & HS is Jesus?Why do u see them as 2 diff persons?
Hi Rich, thank you for your participation here and insightful answer. God bless
ALL: When we ALL learn John 4:24, then and "only then" will we understand! Not by works, for He "Works" not us!
Very true Norine we must worship the Father in spirit and in truth.
That is just as important to tell the truth that will Glorify the Heavenly Father Jehovah, and his Son Jesus. That is written on the foreheads
King James Version Re 14:1
K&T: "At the name of JESUS every knee will bow..." What name do u thk is in their foreheads? Jesus Fathered Himself! We're talking SPIRIT not "man!" Tradition errs, Religion errs, u err if u don't belv He is "I AM!"
"Jesus Fathered Himself"
A statement right from the father of lies. May the Lord rebuke you.
Rich: Who got into Mary's womb? THE SPIRIT (JESUS) otherwise John 1:14 lies! Rightly divide the Word or you will err! TRADITION & RELIGION KILLS! John 4:24 or you can't "SEE!"
Norine how did you get into your mothers,.Joh 14:28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.
K&T:Don't compare flesh w/THE SPIRIT!JESUS can b n heaven,get into Mary, & be in everyone at once!Come on now! We're talking THE SPIRIT whose NAME is Jesus!U no why the said "going to the Father?" From whence He came SPIRIT! No more flesh! Jn
He also said Father is greater, not the sane ,not equal, simple
Jesus was flesh on earth and died, only flesh can die, But the Father is eternal. A spirit that does not die .
You are saying God can make humans and he can not make a son.
THE SPIRIT (aka God to u, JESUS to me) can do ALL things! Dont underestimate by comparing flesh to Spirit or father & son as "man" does! But here, there, everywhere at once!ALL Power has been given to JESUS so where's God?
Rich if you read the intire account these people build Alters to their God Molech and really burned their children as a sacrefice.
They did this many times. This is literal . Do reseach on Molech.
K&T: Prove your belief? Where is God? Stand BOLD in your doctrine! II Cor 7:2-4 "Great is my boldness of speech toward u.." for it comes from Scripture! Where's yours?
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Rich Kelley says
Hi Rich, Thank you for your answer. Yes, "Go and sin no more". Good points make here and insight. God bless you
Rich are you using the Newer King James Version ?
Looks like he is, Kiss and Tales, as he indicated such at the beginning there.
26-27 For yf we synne willyngly after that we have receaved the knowledge of the trueth there remayneth no more sacrifice for synnes but a fearfull lokynge for iudgement and violent fyre which shall devoure the adversaries
Very Interesting Rich, can you post hebrew and greek? That translations would be Jesus language .
I just tossed that in because very old English reads funny compared to what we read and speak today. As does King James a 400 year old dead dialect not spoken except by die hard KJV preachers.
Thank Rich , an important thought to consider , and I try to help others under stand what you have just proven , we are living in a generation of a different Dialect
And certain words have a different meaning.. yet I watch for changes that take away.
ALL: Yet the msg is the same! If we "continue," ("GO ON" sinning w/o repentance)"willfully" "there is no more sacrifice" "only fearful judgment" is all we have to look fwd to! Who does that unless "reprobate mind?" Which has been given over to Satan!
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Lady: It's not our concern re:Judas, but what happened "in the grave?" Jesus being merciful, and Judas knowing Jesus, (for someone had to be "used" to fulfill scripture), .. However, I just "follow Him!"
Wow, Jo (ladyfiddler), You know your scripture no doubt. My hubby and I were talking about this and I was just curious how others interpret it. I do not believe one has to continually be saved; ONCE does it! Praise Him! Thank you for your insight!
Hi Faith well that's nice to know i am happy you have gotten several responses to your question. Have a wonderful weekend dearheart.
Lady: Matt 26:24 spoken "under the law!" And "it had been good for that man if he had not been born" because he suffered mentally until he hung himself. However, when "Grace" came & Jesus went into the grave..Jesus may have forgiven him???
I hope u realize you targeted my response 1st. THE OLD TESTAMENT IS UNDER THE LAW..NOT THE NEW TESTAMENT it's about grace but plz tell me is every1 going to heaven? y was hell created? Wat did it mean in romans 1? & how hardly will a richman ente
Lady: Maybe He loves u more? The NT (Matt,Mk,Lk,John=The Gospels) although in NT r OT r under the law! Why?Jesus came to fulfill law & didn't happen until it began at "the cross" or the shedding of His Blood! New Covenant bgan Acts 2:2.
Hi Norine .......Re: Judas
those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Who was the son of perdition may i ask ?
Another example of a car you buy it in perfect condition, until you hit a car and recieve a dent , it was not Destin for the incident, you did not plan on hitting another car. But you did.
Good people can turn bad, like apples,
The devil cannot do anything unless God grants him permission as we see in the book of Job. Therefore Judas was incarnated by satan to carry out this act, plz Read. Rev 1:18, Rev 20:10. Rev:20:14:15, Rev 21:18 & U will see the wrathful side of G
Lady: Did he not speak those words "under the law?"Did He not fulfill law (giving Grace) & THEN went n the grave?We don't KNOW! But with Jesus ALL things are possible & He gave ALL grace including Judas! Who knows what hapnd in the grave. Jus
Norine God said He'd have mercy on whom He'd have mercy and certainly He is a God of grace & love He is also a God of wrath and judgement so do not mix up GRACE with punishment. If He forgives everything why did He create a hell? was He bored?
K&T&Lady:U miss the pt! Grace!Judas confsd, had the once in a lifetime oppt to see Jesus face to face after grace, which Jesus"only" has pwr to give mercy!U thk Judas didnt repent? U dont thk Jesus didnt give?From Script He forgives ANYONE wh
Norine dear: he do not forgive blasphemy against the holy ghost, lOOK UP BLASPHEMEY in the book of Hebrews..LUKE 16:22-28 gives the story of Dives who went to hell and wanted to come out but he could NOT. Even if he repented there remaineth no sacrif
Norine if I was to ask you who is your first born , you would tell me a son or daughter by name.
You would not say that is your husband, or the Father of your child.
Because they are two separate beings.
For those who think that the "Law" of the old testament does not apply now maybe you should listen to what Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-20, By Grace we are saved but that doesn't mean we can sin without judgment
LM: Matt 5:17-20 I agree, but spoken "under the law." Jesus was still "fulfilling." After "fulfillment" Gal 3:24 "..the law WAS our schoolmaster..." for those coming UNTO Christ! Or are you still "in school, "Spiritually?" No intent sin under HS!
That is simple ,saying it would better if you had not been born ,means you are living for nothing from that point and situation. , If Judas was forgiven why would he try to kill himself. He knew his life had ended spiritually .
TheHealthGuy thank you so much for backing up that point I AGREE madam Norine is ignorant of that fact, she believe because we are under grace everyone will waltz in heaven. NOT SO!! Kiss and tales i think you should really ignore her #makesnosense
Lady: I'm sorry you're "blind" to Scripture! "I" didn't say it, Jesus did! Heb 3:10;12;15. All I did was show ur n err, "from Scripture!" The world needs to know "truth!" Sorry LM, she talking re: Judas! John 21:22.
Woman make up your mind if you are of God or of Satan please. One minute Judas is a good loving saved soul. Now i talking Judas ??? U admit he bad!! Thank you. U will wind yourself off the beaten track. Stop trying to force us to believe ur doctrine
Which is unforgivable. God's Holy Spirit chose Judas who was a good person at the time. He alowed satan to enter.
New World Translation Lu 22:3 Then Satan entered into Judas, the one called Is·carʹi·ot, who was numbered among the Twelve,
Lady: RE:Judas means regarding not like Judas! I've read Mat 27:3-4 & saw Judas did the "same thing" we do to day when we sin! Goes against ur teachings? But it is "still" the Word of God! K&T:Satan may enter but Jesus CAN remove!
Though it be an angel from on high that preach any other doctrine LET IT BE A CURSE. People that will shift and scramble the words of the bible to soothe their own interpretations are sewing seeds of discrepancy and crossing the line to be saved!!
Lady: He is the Judge!He wrote It, I didn't!What is the Doctrine?Do u know Jesus' Doctrine?Do you "observe all things" the apostles did after the FIRST Church was establ?Acts 2:42?That's the DOCTRINE that Scripture is referring to! I Tim 1:4-7!
Two different beings one you can be forgiven on everthing. And the other limit is limit not to Blaspheme ,against him ,not forgiven, Judas worked against the Heavenly Father's hand by helping to kill son ,not forgivable by the Father. But by Jesus
K&T:We don't serve"2"different Gods!What 2 beings? Jesus fathered Himself!Didn't THE SPIRIT(God)get into Mary? Wasn't Jesus there fm the beginning(Let "US"..., Gen 1:26)?This is a mystery! But not if you rd His Word in SPIRIT v carnally! Col 2:9!
Norine if I say let us talk there is more then one person involved. Do not say it is a mystery when you know that is the truth of a matter, Joh 4:34 Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
K&T:U see,u r looking at Word in the flesh & not in Spirit! God is not like us 2 say more than 1 is involved!God is a Spirit="I AM!" IS ALL at ALL TIMES! Col 2:9!The Word relates to "man" Father & Son, so we could "half way" understand H
I agree with Lady Fiddler. To many people think and are teaching that you can say a prayer of acceptance (Jesus), by faith be saved and then continue to willingly sin. The willingly sin part is bunk. Everyone seems to forget the word REPENT. TBC ...
LM:When one"repents"he usually wholeheartedly means it at the time!Take Peter for inst!Willfully 3x's!Jesus knows our "hearts!"Thk God for grace & Mercy for Peter's & my sake!It's a "GIFT""Work" on ur New Yr's resol, I belv the Holy Spirit's
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Kiss andTales says
Wonderful answer Kissadntales :) I love how you put it over.
Thank you ladyiddler.
You are welcome dear
K&T: You got it! I still believe Judas was "a vessel" to fulfill scripture. Jesus went into the grave & "how mercy on whom He pleases." But it is our job to "Follow Him" & leave His business alone. Re: Deliberately (willfully) sinning: He
Thank you so much, Kiss and Tales, for sharing your insight into this scripture. Yes, indeed, how wonderful and merciful the Heavenly Father is and Jesus for the love shown! He paid the highest price for our sins. Praise Him! Let us not turn away.
I love this answer, however according to the John Gill commentary, true believers do not sin in that way. Hebrews 10: 39 says, But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.
Ang: What is your definition of "shrink back & are destroyed?"
Norine if u kno your scriptures u wil know that Judas fully fulfilled that scripture. Judas came from HELL & went back to hell he blasphemed the holy ghost. That is an unpardonable SIN. Yes he had to also the Jews for us Gentiles but they still P
Lady: Not for me to say! But Jesus (The HS) TOLD Judas to do what he had to do! Script had to be fulfilled! I dont thk Jesus uses a vessel & throws away like man! We dont no what happened in the grave do we? He forgave Peter why not? Grace!
NORINE as we all can see this question was asked by Faithreaper & not "U" i answered what she asked to the best of my ability. I owe you NO explanations so i think you can back your cart & take fresh load. I wonder then y did God created a h
Lady: U asked me about what I'd written re:Judas & I responded! What's the problem? Didn't say what you've been "taught?" Didn't ask u for explanation, just stating "truth!"
Madam Norine...Though it be an angel from on high that preach any other GOSPEL LET IT BE A CURSE...Judas received NO GRACE he blasphemed with he turn down truth and betrayed the Messiah. Satan was in Heaven also a vessel GOD USED!!! WHERE IS HE 2DAY?
Lady:"..But there are some that trouble u, & would pervert the gospel of Christ.."As said, we don't KNOW! HS told him to "GO," Not Satan!There's much not written in this Book.I'm not Jesus, He how mercy on whom He pls! Did Satan Repent? Jus sayi
Norine this is for you concerning Judas
MARK 3:29 kJV
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Judas was a pic under holy spirit by God , next satan has always tested God's loyal servants, in this case Judas failed his test
He was not Destin because anyone could have betrayed Jesus, those in the temple were already plotting his death Jews.
Hi Kiss and Tales thanks for your take on it as everyone is entitled to their opinion. However my own is that I DO NOT & will never believe Judas was saved. Judas was a vessel used by Satan.. yes the Jews were guilty as well and they did pay.. .P
K&T:He thru money bk, confessed & could've "repented" in grave.I would have if Jesus came down! I don't thk Jesus would say "but not you Judas,"do u? Let's just follow Jesus, this is not our concern! Just "food for thought." "in danger of" no
Norine have you missed the thought that what is in the Bible is there for our business , if not we would not know about Judas. Many people are examples to us how not to be. What ever is not our business God knows how to keep it sealed.
K&T: And He did!It is "serious" business! Like I said, Jn21:22: ".If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee, Follow thou me!" Merciful Jesus is shown n Script is all I'm saying! I'd hate Judas 2 if carnal but we r not, but Spiritu
Exactly kiss and Tales I agree what is in the bible surely is for our ensample/example that we may Learn from those experiences. Norine : Its appointed unto man once to die and AFTER DEATH IS THE JUDGEMENT JUDAS COULDN'T REPENT THERE AND BE SAVED!!
Norine I appreciate that you love Jesus. And you address the holy spirit
But I think that what ever is in the bible is for us to read and God has made it our business. .Next following Jehovah and Jesus is also a personal responsibility. Like love.
Lady:When Jesus went into grave all souls became alive & was given 2nd chance, never again! "After death" applied after He preached to the prisoners n grave didnt accept, then judgment!K&T: Jn21:22. Jehovah & Jesus Same!
Norine Jesus had a beginning at John 1:1 says so .yet the heavenly Father is the acient of days , he is eternal with no beginning.
Jesus is written as in
Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation
K&T: Who spoke those Words in Rev 1:8;11 (& they're in red)? Did He lie? Don't let "religion" fool you! Study! II Timothy 2:15. But u must do it in the Spirit (Jn 4:24)! Don't try to make "sense" of it. Prov 3:5. Believe what is Written! Col
Norine who put those words in red? What Translation are you reading
Again If King James he has errors, and he has removed God 's name .
I am a bible student for many years , I just do not quote beliefs but I post scripture as proof.
Norine go and read 1st Timothy 2:9-12 and see why God doesn't want a woman to handle the word it's for people like you who lacketh understanding to know how to divided the word rightly , will mislead others. Y was hell created? for GRACE?
To Lady fiddler there were female prophets, yet there worked for the point that women are used to spread the truth. RUTH, , MARRY ,
Martha. Also again hell is a word King James uses and substituted for hebrew sheol, hades .there is no hell fire.
You don't believe there is a hell kiss and tales ? Maybe we can talk more via my email address : firstname.lastname@example.org . I really think we ought to stop debating on Faith's question it's looking a little rude on our behalf as she isn't doing it.
I so agree with you ladyiddler, Faith is showing us an attribute of patience and consideration. I appreciate that. It is hard to not reply right way before the thought gets away. So I speak for the moment of thought, I will contact you by emsil.
Yes Kiss and Tales..... Faith I sincerely apologize for debating her like it's my question . I guess it was going good as neither of us was angry but just trying to get over our point to each other.
Lady: I agree! Although uninvited, I will email you! You MUST know "The Truth!" I will give Scripture only when giving answers! Again, re: Judas, It's not our concern, Just "Follow Me" Jesus said in John 21:22! K&T: I will email you also THEY
OK no problem
Norine you are welcome to email me anytime, that goes to my follow hubers as well . ladyiddler did you recieve my email? I sent it yesterday.
Lady/K&T: Thanks guys! It's been a pleasure sharing the Word of God! To be continued...
Yes k&t i did and i responded about an hour ago. Np Norine
Lady & K&T: May I send the correspondence sent to me from each of you to the other? I would like to continue a 3-way conversation, if it can be done? Please let me know!
To Norine as on HP we seem to come at different ends with each other.
But for the sake of peace and not argument,it would just be nice to just direct the subject to one person at a time. That is why we rerouted to emails.
Because one answer is enoug
K&T: Only trying to show both at once my belief! (II Tim 3:16). Never want to argue! (I Cor 14:33) Just wanted to continue 3-way which would have been less time consuming, but OK. Will do! Did u get email?
No I did not recieve your email? Norine did you use the one from HP?
K&T: Yes, I used HP for that's all I have! I hope it holds the 3 page data for I had to "repeat" responses to Lady! I had attachments too but was afraid it wouldn't accommodate. I love to work "easy" but, Oh well! God knows our hearts!
The Old Testament with law was like training wheels , the purpose was a written code of laws that would help us understand the future sacrifice of his gift to us the Messiah his son Jesus.
He paid for generations of people to walk into a New earth
K&T: Yes, and the Messiah (Jesus) is full of "grace & truth!" God showed "wrath" in the OT but Grace in the NT under New Cov! The HS convicts us from sin, yet when we unintent do, He gives us His Gift! Grace!
K&T: Yes, "Schoolmaster!" He's given us the gift of Grace, but no one wants it! Like u'd give me a gift & I'd throw it back at u! Look how we treat Jesus! Want to "stay" under law & called evil when told?
Wow, Dear Sisters, I really should have posted this in a forum so there would be more room for discussion. I apologize. Love you all so much.
Faith: I don't know who posted something that implied Judas was lost but I saw an incorr resp according to Script & had to reply! Sorry we took it to another level!
Love you too!
Dear Norine, I understand and welcome all discussion, but I just wish I had thought enough to put it in a forum. Love you too and all here. God bless you all, my dear sisters in Christ.
Another important thought, Judas betrayed Jesus before his death. Jesus death was to cover all sins as the last sacrefice of animals.
Judas sin came under the old law covenant , where did a priest offer up for his deliberate sin ,he died. With out
K&T: Yes, Judas died under OT law but Jesus went into grave after grace! Could do what He wanted! That's why Jn 21:22! Faith has been more than kind. Any further questions direct to email@example.com
Hmmmm the HOLY SPIRIT DO NOT LIE .. U r lying by saying u don't know who posted it Norine "I don't know who posted something that implied Judas was lost but I saw an incorr resp according to Script & had to reply" judas is AWAITING THE LAKE OF FI
Lady: Trivial! Give it up before u show ur true colors! See how "christians" react when "TRUTH" is told? Instead of researching scripture, you act like Satan! Give it up! U will "never" win over "truth" which is Jesus! John 21:22! God forgive me!
My true Colors is already shown which is to DENOUNCE ANY HERETICAL DOCTRINE that deviates from the WORD OF GOD. I stand firm in my beliefs and no devil in hell can sway me or throw his dogma and creed into my laps. I refuse to hear JUDAS was saved!!!
Lady:Does Matt 27:3-4 deviate? Do u refute the Word of God? Who does that? A Christian? Who says Judas was saved? But based on Scripture, he did the same we do when asking forgiveness! Confess & Repent! It's up to Jesus - Not me! John 21:22!
NORINE R.I.P . I realise that Satan himself did not give up until he himself brainwashed 1/3 of Heaven to believe his doctrine so i understand......I will remember you in prayer because you not reading them scriptures sitting upward! Shalom & Pea
Lady: Showed u something in Scripture "man" never taught u - Matt 27:3-4 & u can't remove it! Lesson: Study, don't let "man" fool u! Don't remain I Cor 14:38! Hosea 4:6!
I study to shew myself APPROVED to the living GOD ...not to Norine and please i beg of you do not show many anything in the scripture you will mislead souls but be assured this one cannot be Misled!! R.I.P. sweedie
King James Version Mt 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost( Father), it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come..
K&T i am not debating on Faith's platform any more. I am yet awaiting and email response from you to my questions. Thank U , bye
Lady: Study to show thyself approved unto "MAN" for God already "KNOWS" by looking at one's heart! II Tim 3:16 says use Scripture for "proof"... to "MAN!" for He ALREADY knows & for us to find out by discussing & correcting, Scripture says Ot
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