What does the Bible teach about the trinity?

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   Canucks goalposted 8 years ago

   What does the Bible teach about the trinity?
   
   What is the Trinity?

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   Rich kelleyposted 8 years ago

   The bible teaches absolutely nothing about the trinity. Man however has gone into the bible and pasted, patched, mistranslated, and implied all matter of things to perpetuate the lie of the trinity.
   
   The trinity is another one of the Catholic Churches doctrines like original sin that the reformation decided to drag along with them. Man teaches this concept, to their own demise. It is parroted as a matter of fact and countless volumes have been written by lost men perpetuating this false dogma.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Amen!

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   Norine Williamsposted 8 years ago

   What does the Bible teach about "The Trinity?"  NOTHING! 
   
   What is The Trinity?  A man-made LIE! 
   
   As Rich Kelley said, “The trinity is another one of the Catholic Churches doctrines like original sin that the reformation decided to drag along with them.”   RELIGION (The father of LIES or The Catholic Church) is one of the Greatest Devices to Lose Souls and no one has “studied” (II Timothy 2:15) for themselves rather go along with mainstream RELIGION headed straight for HELL (The Lake of Fire) and Satan is ELATED!
   
   The Trinity defies Scripture!  Ephesians 4:4-6 says “There is one body (THE CHURCH), and one Spirit (not a father, son & the Holy Spirit), even as ye are called in one hope of your calling.  One Lord, one faith, one baptism,  One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”  Well, if this is so, where is  the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?  Not three “persons” as The Trinity proclaims, but ONE SPIRIT which is something our little intellectual “peanut brains” cannot wrap TRUTH around!  Colossians 2:9 says “For in him (JESUS) dwelleth ALL the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”
   
   Furthermore, (Speaking of THE CHURCH) I Corinthians 12:11-31 says (in part) “But all these worketh that ONE and the VERY SAME SPIRIT, dividing to every man severally as he will.  For as the BODY (THE CHURCH) is ONE, and hath MANY members (In reference to JESUS: GLORIES, i.e. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit plus MANY MORE), and all the members of that ONE BODY (THE CHURCH), being MANY, are ONE BODY, SO ALSO IS CHRIST.”  Did you hear that?  “SO ALSO IS CHRIST!”  “MANY” GLORIES or can’t you wrap your little “peanut brains” around that?  If you can’t, you are not “worshiping HIM in Spirit and in truth” (John 4:24)!     (v27) “Now ye are the BODY OF CHRIST, and members in particular.” 
   
   The problems with MOST proclaimed “Christians,” they did not do as JESUS commanded us to do before His ascension in Acts 1:4 “WAIT” for HELP from the Comforter (aka Holy Spirit) who would “lead and guide us into ALL truth (John 14:26; 16:13)!  Rather, they “leaned to their own understanding” (Proverbs 3:5) or listened to The Catholic Church (an/or "spin offs") and caught the cow by the tail and continue dragging him down the path into the Lake of Fire proclaiming, “I’m saved” (Proverbs 14:12)!
   
   Satan is ELATED!

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: GOD says "we chg fm glory to glory" & Scripture says we are to b like HIM, then why does HE not chg fm "Glory to Glory" if instructed us to do so (II Cor 3:18)? Worship in Spirit, not carnally for "understanding!" (Matt 10:10-13)! MYSTERY=S

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      Rich kelleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      God is the same yesterday today and forever so your idea of glory to glory needs some adjusting don't use a never changing God to justify your ideas.  Scripture say we are to be disciples of Jesus and hopefully we will change to be like Him.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Rich:  He "never changes HIS WORD" but HE changes HIS GLORIES!  Burning Bush, Melchizedek, Abraham, Moses, Daniel, David, The Prophets, O, O, Paul, etc. He told us, WE chg fm G to G, as HE (II Cor 3:18)!

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      Rich kelleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Nice try, He(God) is the same yesterday today and forever
      glory to glory is one time in scripture and you beat the death out of it. It is kind of funny if it were not sad.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      O, O! My KJV says (Heb 13:8) JESUS CHRIST, the same yesterday, today & forever." Which is OK because ALL GLORIES are JESUS!  Phil 2:9-11! At the name of WHO? JESUS! Not Father, Not Son, nor Holy Spirit which r WHAT (GLORIES) HE is but JESUS is WH

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   PlanksandNailsposted 8 years ago

   Jesus Christ himself dwells in his followers. God the Father dwells in Jesus' followers. Jesus Christ promised that the Father and the Son would come to make their home in us because his followers have the Holy Spirit within them. Scriptures testifies that believers only have ONE Spirit within them called the Holy Spirit. In this way, the Father and the Son are ONE in them because the Father and the risen Son are that ONE Spirit.
   
   When one does a critical analysis of the Trinity doctrine, the Holy Spirit is most definitely NOT the Son and the Holy Spirit is most definitely NOT the Father.
   
   How then could the Father and Son be abiding in anyone who denies that the Father and Son are that ONE Spirit?
   
   The Trinity doctrine states the Holy Spirit is NOT the Father and the Holy Spirit is NOT the Son; therefore, the only possible way that the Father and the Son could possibly be in believers is for the Father and the Son to be separate spirits, since neither the Father nor the Son is the Holy Spirit.
   
   The adherents to Trinitarian doctrine must either confess they have three Spirits in them (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), or they must confess that only one Spirit is within them who is NOT the Father and NOT the Son. They, therefore must deny that the Father of the Son is in them since that one spirit is NOT the Father and NOT the Son.
   
   The fact is, Scripture testifies that we only have ONE Spirit within us, the Holy Spirit. The Trinitarian, therefore must deny that Jesus Christ is in them since the Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is NOT the Holy Spirit as their doctrine states.
   
   Simply put, the Trinity doctrine proclaims the spirit of the antichrist, which denies the Father and the Son who are ONE in Spirt for another spirit that is NOT.
   
   Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who DENIES the Father and the Son. - 1 John 2:22
   
   The antichrist spirit DENIES that the Father and Son are ONE in Spirit. This is Trinitarian doctrine.
   
   Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE. - John 17:11

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      ONE SPIRIT;Father=SAME SPIRIT never subj to world, Son (I Tim 3:16); Holy Spirit Jn 14:26 "SEND IN MY NAME" (n red)! JESUS "tried" to relate to "man" but they see "father&son v Father & Son! Need more room! lol

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      SpiritusShepherdposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Trinitarianism is not the same as tri-theism, as you seem to think. While the Father, Son and Spirit are different Persons, they are of the same Substance. Jesus and the Father and the Spirit are One, even if they are not the SAME.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "Tritheism?" NOPE! ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)! "Persons?" What's ur def? Can u pinch? "Not the same?" (I Cor 12)
      U LIE on WORD!

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   jeremymwasposted 8 years ago

   there is no trinity note that there is only one God and the bible says that Jesus is His only begotten son and holy spirit is Gods ACTING FORCE

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jer: Yes, "only begotten son" so "man" could relate! JESUS is GOD manifested in the flesh (I Tim 3:16). Holy Spirit is JESUS (Jn 14:26 "..in my NAME.." n red) who is an ACTIVE FORCE(Acts 1:8)!
      STUDY!
      RT-Yes, no Trinity but ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)~!

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      jeremymwasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      note that the father is not the same as the son, Jesus is not God but god then holy spirit is not a person its Gods acting force like when God said let there  be light Gods acting force made that happen as the same as His power to do things

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jer: There is ONE SPIRIT! Do not defy Scripture (I Tim 3:16)! GOD manifested HIMSELF in the flesh (JESUS CHRIST)! The "letter" kills (2 Cor 3:6)! This is a GREAT MYSTERY! ONE SPIRIT=SAME SPIRIT subj to word=JESUS=SAME SPIRIT=in hvn=GOD=OMNIPRESENT!

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      Rich kelleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      1Ti 3:16  Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He (Christ) was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: What "version" is that? I have KJV.
      How does Jn 1:10 read?  Mine="He (Christ) was in the world, & the world was MADE BY HIM, & the world (as today), knew HIM not."
      Jn 1:1-3 (v3) "All thgs were made by HIM..." (GOD), then (v10)! Explain

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      Rich kelleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Norine,      ESV
      
      "He appeared in a body" (NIV)
      "He who was manifested in the flesh" (ASV)
      "He who was revealed in the flesh" (NASB)
      "He was manifested in the flesh" (RSV)
      "Which was manifested in the flesh" (Douey-Rheims)

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: "I asked," How does ur Jn 1:1-3; 10 read? Mine confirms I Tim 3:16 which says "GOD" was "manifested in the flesh."
      See how those newer versions are the devil's advocates?  He wants to lose souls=his job (Jn 10:10)!
      Holy Spirit "leads & guid

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      Rich kelleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      one thing at a time.
      The oldest and best manuscripts do not have the word "God" (theos) in 1 Timothy 3:16 which is why modern Bible translations do not have the word "God" at 1 Timothy 3:16 either. KJV is wrong by changing the word.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Didn't ask for explanation as to "why" GOD is no longer in I Tim 3:16, asked if your Jn 1:1-3;10 reads as mine! 
      Answer!

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       jeremymwasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       note that God never manifested himself in the fresh but he sent His son jesus thats why the bible says that God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten son....if trinity is real would God have sent himself?

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       Rich kelleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       You can't use A to confirm B if A is wrong. You can but it would make you wrong in any points you are trying to make. 99% of word say Jesus is not God, the 1% misuse to prove incorrect ideas only leaves one wrong. No GLORIES in that.

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       jeremymwasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       when jesus was on earth he said that the only one who need to be worshiped is his father Jehovah . if jesus is God he would have said the only one who needs to be worshiped is me. but why did he say its the father ?

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Jer: I feel JW doctrine coming which has only dropped 1 of the persons from the Trinity! If "U" thk there is a father & son v ONE SPIRIT, u err! Trinity or any doctrine that defies WORD (I Cor 12) is a LIE! GOD cont to "try" & related to man,

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       jeremymwasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       no dont get me wrong i believe there is only one God the almighty, the orther is not God it is His son Jesus. holy spirit is not a person its Gods acting force ...so yeah i dont believe in trinity

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       Rich kelleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Norine
       Yet you want to make them all one and the same thing. Trinity wants 3 you want one, you are in good company in that both are incorrect.

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       jeremymwasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       i dont want to make them 1 i say there is God there is Jesus who is God's son and holy spirit is Gods acting force ...how am i making them 1?

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       Rich kelleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Jeremiah
       My comment was addressed to Norine not you, I have no problem with what you have said. I believe you are correct on this/that.
       Rich

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Jer:I guess Rev 1:8 (n red) LIED? I guess(Jn 14:26”IN MY NAME”(n red) LIED? Yes, NO Trinity!WORD says they’re ONE (I Cor 12)! U defy?
       Rich:U want 2 they want 3! WORD says ONE (I Cor 12) “u are in good co… incorrect.U “have no prob w/his belief?"ERR

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       Rich kelleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       One must be careful when saying we are one. We are one in spirit and agreement, but The Father sits on the throne and Jesus at His right side. No need to make one in agreement weird.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Rich: Then why aren't there "thrones" if 2? Right hand of God="righteousness" not hand w/arm ("carnal")!

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       Rich kelleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I am the fool. Silly me thinking there is hope In a conversation with you. I shall do now what others have learn sooner than I..

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Rich: "MOST" do defy I Corinthians Chapter 12!

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   flpalermoposted 8 years ago

   Absolutely NOTHING!
   I have not found ANY reference to a "Trinity" in regards to the God of the Bible. But "Pagan Christianity" has.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Amen!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jeremiah you are clear to me you recognize the Father as 1 and Son
      Joh 5:30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

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      jeremymwasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      kiss and tales   great!!!

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ps 119:63!

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   Kiss andTalesposted 8 years ago

   You have made some good points of interest,  they could not be all one,
   The Holy spirit has always been known to be of action, God's active force is his spirit of power known as the holy spirit, notice Jesus told them they would receive this power for help
   
   Ac 1:8 But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”
   Did they recieve the power , Yes.!
   Ac 2:2 Suddenly there was a noise from heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting
   Ac 2:3 And tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on each one of them,
   Ac 2:4 and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled them to speak.
   The power of God was his holy spirit at work that this happened.
   Ac 2:8 How is it, then, that each one of us is hearing his own native language?
   They could understand other languages instantly without the education .
   The Holy spirit is God's power not a person, there are words used in the customs of Greek and Hebrew grammar in how they use their words different then our language and grammar. The power came from the Father,  so we have the Father and the Son as person's , no third .
   Which is clearly a human doctrin that believed of three.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      k&t: And "is clearly a human doctrine that believed of two" (JW=Cult)! Give Scripture where the Father and Son are persons? 
      Have u not read I Cor Chapter 12 ? 
      See how "twisted" that JW doctrine is?
      ONE SPIRIT=JESUS' GLORIES & HE chgs at

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Norine I peacefully ask you not to post to me, You are vexing , bullying, name calling,  you have caused so much havoc on HP.
      I am minding my business you need to mind your own, if you continue to harras, I will report you . Again do not reply to me

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Can't u see the "spin off" from the Trinity in JW'S belief?  JW'S only dropped 1 "person" when there is only ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12) & no persons! 
      Report? If I DIE, I DIE but the WORD will NEVER DIE! 
      I posted 1st, u followed!
      Record reveals!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      First of all I made my comment to planks
      Not to you, that is obvious, you do not believe people when they tell you to leave them alone. As you continue to vex and reply, do you have a mental problem understanding what stop is.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Does Satan really control u as u display? U display actions of the Scribes & Pharisees in Scripture! U stand anxiously awaiting an error on my part & when can't, attack intelligence?What's up w/u?Why follow if obnoxious? Bldg record? Record r

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      jeremymwasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      jesus said concerning the day and the hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens NOR THE SON,BUT ONLY THE FATHER matthew 24:36 if jesus were part of the almighty God,however he would know the same facts as his father.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Did I not say the Son was THAT SAME SPIRIT who was manifested in the flesh & came into world (subj'd 2 sin) which "Father" never was?  It's ONE SPIRIT w/"MANY" GLORIES (I Cor 12)!  Not 2, 3, 4, 5, but SAME SPIRIT w/"MANY" GLORIES! Jn 4:24!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      To note there is a scripture that proves the point,
      It is1Jo 2:22Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
      If three , where is the holy Spirit ?
      Simple.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      k&t: Who denies JESUS is the CHRIST? Who denies that the ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12) is not THE SAME SPIRT (Father, Son & MANY MORE “GLORIES” & not father & son)which HE states so “man” could relate; otherwise,I Cor Chptr 12 LIED!(Matt 1:10

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   Oscarlitesposted 8 years ago

   Isaiah 9:6   
   
   
   it says my answer is too short , to make it longer.  ha.
   
   
   read isaiah 9:6     
   
   Isaiah and all israelites knew that when the christ came he was God in the flesh..   TD Jakes explains.  "God came in disguise, so that he could come be the savior for us."        jude vs 25.  now to the only wise God our savior, be grace and truth, now and ever amen.
   
   let us make man in our own image, God counseled with himself, after his own will.  after his own wisdom.  .. he strongly declares besides me their is no God,  besides me there is no savior..   
   
   I believe this so strongly as to state that Jesus is the first person in the Godhead , not the third..     God is a spirit, without flesh and bones.  of course the holy spirit is spirit, not a person. God is not a person,, he is God. Way bigger and better than a person..     trinity dogma created by the same church that was trying to eradicate and stomp out the early church,  a tool of roman (catholic) to unify people who believed in multiple Gods.   Its all documented and history.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Col 2:9 "For in HIM (JESUS) dwelleth ALL THE FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily."  Father(JESUS), Son(JESUS), Holy Spirit(JESUS) for HE sent HIMSELF "IN MY NAME" (Jn 14:26) as HE Fathered HIMSELF (Lk 1:35-37)! 
      ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)
      MYSTERY! Hallelujah

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      PlanksandNailsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      To deny God solely as the Father AND the Lord Jesus Christ solely as the Son is antichrist (1 Cor 8:6)(1 John 2:22).
      
      Read Col 2:10, the very next verse indicates the Colossians were made to have the fullness of deity dwell in them too.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Who denies? But not father & son as “carnal” sees! I Cor 12=antichrist?
      I Cor 8:6“GOD=“we in him”(Spirit)“Lord JESUS CHRIST”=by HIM (Salvation=what HE’S Done).I Jn 2:22-23 FATHER=1SPIRIT(not subj’d to world);Son=1 SPIRIT(subj’d to world)OMNIPRESE

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      Oscarlitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      well, those that refer to, give obedience to and call the trinity doctrine " biblical"  are outside the bible.   the bible doesn't need any other doctrine or terms to describe it.  trinity was man made, not God made, and it was voted into the church

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      O:  Amen!
      I agree w/u whole-heartedly regarding "The Trinity!"
      However: " the bible doesn't need any other doctrine or terms to describe it."
      RELIGION has "fooled" MOST re: The Gospel of Christ  (THE ONLY DOCTRINE) & MOST don't teach (Gal 1:6-9

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      Oscarlitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      T D Jakes. " God disguised his one true God self/ nature in a human form/Jesus/Man of God origin, so that he could come save us and also to experience the same things we do.  outside of this dramatic event, he is almighty God"  He is God in Christ.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Oscar: I don't know the doctrine T.D. Jake's teaches, but if not IAW Gal 1:6-9="ACCURSED!"

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