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Well, you don't have to "look outside" to see who hasn't "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) for the Holy Spirit's "guidance" (Jn 14:26; 16:13) Who is inerrant, or there wouldn't be "several hundred/thousand" beliefs!
There are Plenty of people who "know" they are being guided by the holy spirit.
Saying they aren't being guided by the holy spirit because they disagree with you would be rather convenient wouldn't it?
Holy Spirit is JESUS(Jn 14:26 "in my name")Who does not have "different beliefs" (Gal 1:6-9)! If u were GOD would u have "diff beliefs!" NO! U would say what u meant & meant what u said! So it is with Christ! Ppl have been "brainwashed" vs STUDY
So because they disagree with you, they are brainwashed.
No wonder there are so many different denominations Norine :)
They don't disagree w/"me," they disagree w/WORD which I give!
They run & hide or "delete" when not in agreement w/"teachings!"
I can STAND, they can't!
So who would you rather believe if seeking salvation?
The ones who aren't psychotically judgemental of anyone not aligned with their beliefs and who don't think that the world is going to end at any moment.
They tend to be a lot less crazy and a little more believable in the long run.
You are as the mass & as GOD speaks of during "End Times!" Follow the mass & not the WORD & see where it gets ANYONE!
Is 61:8 "For I, the LORD, love judgment..." Ever heard that one before? No! U listen to man vs WORD!
Lol, man is the one who wrote the word Norine. One loses on both fronts if they listen to either.
Did I read something wrong? I thought Jesus was made man. He was a man. But anything that comes from a man is bad? That is a real headscratcher.
Link: Well how can 1 tell 1 when wrong if don't judge "using WORD?" I BELIEVE WORD u don't! I BELIEVE Holy Spirit "leads & guides," u don't! I BELIEVE I'm going to judge angles, u don't (I Cor 6:3), so what is man?
NW, it's not up to us to tell others they err, who is left upon the earth (Isa 7:22) reveal who err and who don't. Our responsibility is share what and how we've observed things" and leave those seeds to spirit to do what it will with them.
ea- please give scripture to support your answer== there is not even 1
Charlie, Didn't you see Isaiah 7:22 which began at 7:14? Matthew 28:19-20 and Luke 8:5-18 are the scriptures to support the latter portion of my reply.
Eli: I want you to google "Is it Right to Judge" and then tell me that!
When "teaching," Paul told Timothy (I Tim 5:20) to "Them that sin REBUKE before all, that others also may fear."
Since Paul's & the killed disciples deceased Yoshua "Leprously" (Ex 4:6-8) instead of leaving him of color, I give more credence to his teachings than Paul's. To present opposing views "rebukes" without judging, the truth will judge. I'll check
JESUS talked "thru Paul" as HE did the Prophets! Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16= New Covenant where we NOW live! Acts 9:15 HE began talking "thru Paul!" Paul spoke for JESUS! What do u mean Paul's teachings? Yes, we Judge ONLY w/WORD telling what GOD said!
Had Paul and the killed decibels no have erred they would not have been killed as Yoshua suggested John would (John 21:22). I accept thins said before he erred as I can discern them to have be pre-error so I go with spirit's guidance (Dan 2:45).
Eli: Go w/WORD "only" WORD! If Jer & Heb said "HE would put laws in hearts & minds" & Acts 9:15 said Paul "would be a vessel," why deny?
If u can't back up with WORD, it's not true!
I give WORD! We can't go w/"feelings!"
ea- the ot was for
israel only and only for a season. the nt verses you use would have to be somehow twisted and out of context to back up what you say
What a crock Charlie. I read the OT and get a lot out of it. You and your rules. What a Pharisee.
oops== guess I need new typing fingers I left out 1 word should have said ot laws or the law of Moses, otherwise it is correct
Eric: Old Covenant's 613+ Mosaic laws (Not 10 Commandments; Gal 3:23-25) have been "fulfilled" unless "carried over" under New Covenant!
Do you know this?
NW, I follow what my heart says, the heart shows us things the written word doesn't say directly. Paul lamented, after spirit left him imprisoned to die, "what I should do I do not, what I should not I do" but he was the vessel prior to it.
GOD LIED THEN! "I will NEVER leave you or forsake you" (Deut 31:6; Heb13:5)! Why would u say that? RELIGION has taught "Paul just a man" & he was who wrestled w/flesh as we do & why he said that, but a VESSEL like Prophets who GOD "never lef
ea- here is what God says about your heart.
Jer 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
Jer 18:12 And they said, "That is hopeless! So we will walk according to our own plans, and we will every
NW, Saying god lied is saying god is I AM THAT I AM.
Charlie, It is written "god will write his law in our hearts and inward parts" in O & NT, once that is done it's no longer "man's" heart but the "voice of god speaking to and through man."
Ea: God is "I AM that I AM," and doesn't LIE (Num 23:19)! He never leaves us nor did He Paul!
Heart "not deceitful" ONLY if it aligns with GOD'S WORD! Satan is busy and w/o KNOWING WORD, one can be deceived!
ea- and when that happens the words will ALWAYS fit scripture - many things you say do not, so You can not be trusted for truth
Yet another condemnation. How interesting. It kind of shows us why some people are so opposed to the Gospel of Love.
Eric, PLEASE? What one says MUST align with WORD, no matter who says IT! Neither Charlie, you or I can speak w/o being able to "PROVE" w/Scripture; otherwise, NOTHING!
True, Charlie, but it will not fit most man's interpretation of scripture. Most man take them literal when they are mostly Metaphors, Allegories, Parables and Symbol-types, MAPS, that Isaiah 28:9-13 tells us how to comprehend.
Yes Eli, it all boils down to "Revelation" vs "Interpretation" (Matt 13:10-13)!
remember, erics measure is to his perverted doctrine of love. If it does not then it must be condemnation.
A Christian's measure is does it line up with scripture. and is it conviction or condemnation?
Then Charlie you MUST (I Pet 3:15) explain why u believe (w/Word) no women preachers, Father & Son!
Also, do you believe in Communion & that there is now no condemnation to those who are IN Christ Jesus, our sins have been forgiven?
ea, charlie, eric and Norine...........u guys fighting makes Link look good....
He's probably laughing right now.........And i quote "Christians If they disagree among themselves how can anyone believe in them? (chuckles)"
You "perceive" as fighting? We are disagreeing, but not angry (At least I'm not!)! Disciples "disagreed" (Gal 2:11-2; 3:1 "O FOOLISH Galatians...")!
Do u see this as "fighting?" OK, "fighting" in sight of mere men!
Don't blv in me, but WORD!
disagreeing is not fighting, done according to scripture. in fact if we disagree we are to continue until either one or both are proven wrong and the TRUTH of scripture is revealed and accepted by all concerned. ALL of ONE Spirit, no divisions
Haven't been following all that much, but considering the frequency of my emails and the fact that Norine is involved, yeah I'm pretty sure my point has been made a few times by now.
Charlie is RIGHT AGAIN! ONE SPIRIT, no divisions (Father and Son as in big daddy & little boy, but ONE SPIRIT)!
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Eric Dierker says
Eric, you "read the letter" and see Word for Word! Did Jesus not speak in "parables" (Matt 13:10-13)? NO ONE can read WORD unless in SPIRIT (Jn 4:23-24)! If so, "your interpretation" which errs!
GOD you're so far from GOD Who is a SPIRIT!
Chase Gentry says
kjv is one of the worst translation, commissioned by king james because the the current and still better version (geneva bible) scared him. he was afraid it would cause the people to revolt because it taught the Kingdom of God., not the king
And is why I say we NEED HELP from the HOLY SPIRIT! Either one believes WORD or not! Did JESUS not say HE would "lead & guide us into ALL truth?" Why do we even discuss such when WORD is WRITTEN?
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Norine Williams says
I believe titen you have a point in the failing of certain translations. A book that has been translated under so many bias opinions. But still it treasure of purpose and theme has been untouched. Do you really know the theme ?
Interesting Titen. When delving into this I like to take "Thou shall not kill". We kill germs every time we do dishes. We kill food to eat. Killing in defense of the defenseless is honorable. So what is the inerrant truth to that command?
Titen has proven that he has a modern prejudice regarding the Bible which is exacerbated by his lack of substantive knowledge regarding ancient times, not to mention the Criteria of Authenticity. So to argue with him, Eric, is pointless.
I still feel MOST are underestimating the POWER (Acts 1:8) of the Holy Spirit Who is JESUS! Really "BELIEVERS?" Scripture has LIED? Did HE not say HE would "lead & guide us into ALL truth?"
Where are the "BELIEVERS?"
The Thou Shalt not Kill commandment is better translated as Thou Shalt Not Murder. The real question for Christians is whether the Mosaic Law, including the ten commandments, should apply to them at all. The God of Israel gives that law to them alone
T-S, when we recognize god's name as I AM THAT I AM or ISIS we understand ever action of all man is Inerrant.
K&T, there's not just one theme though, some books have multiple themes. Job is different from Ecclesiastes, Mark is different from John, they are very different in theme and message.. There is not one unified core theme to the Bible as a whole.
THEME: Coming of Christ to reconcile us to HIM!
Metaphors of God's Grace+ poetry & wisdom=OT+The Gospels!
Acts: Estab New Covenant & ex of THE CHURCH!
Remainder "Good News" of the Gospel of Christ (Grace & Mercy)+the Apocalypse, the
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Eunilda Carpio says
Marcelle Hinkson says
And they certainly DON"T "BELIEVE" the Holy Spirit "will lead & guide into ALL truth!"
Where are the "BELIEVERS?"
Is it that they didn't "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) & don't know what the Holy Spirit can do?
Tamara Wilhite says
Prove a book with as many "accurate" prophecies as the Bible written BEFORE the Bible then maybe "controversy!"
Elijah Alfred says
And titen example A pair of shades worn by you may give a certain filtered vision from your eyes. But someone elses vision in those same shades could be more perfect then yours
We also are human why should people believe you who is also imperfect.
I'm beginning to see how many "unbelievers" proclaiming to be "believers" on HP! If JESUS said HE would "lead & guide us into ALL truth," why don't u believe & rely on HIM to reveal truth? Don't u believe? Jn 16:7 "Its expedient FOR YOU that
kt-- i am not asking anyone to believe me, I am asking all to research what I present and with the help of the Holy Spirit discern what is truth instead of believing ANY HUMAN. those that do this learn truth not church stories.
Charlie, this concept of anti anything man is fascinating. I just can't get over the hurdle that Christ was made man. If it came from Moses or Luke who were men it is bad? You said "ANY HUMAN".
eric- you sure love to twist what people say to get an argument.going. you prefer confusion to truth. I am not wasting any more of my time on your foolishness. Stop responding to me
Farlie, it appears u've learned "church stories" along the way! GOD has always spoken thru "man" thru out Scripture & today (Heb 13:8)!
What are u talking? U should've "WAITED" to "discern" or is "pride/ego" getting in way?
OMG! U can't delete
There you go again Charlie. Insisting you are always right and telling people what to think, believe and do. I will respond to your lunatic comments all I want to.
norine- what are you talking about. scripture has always said to test ALL things to see if they are of God your comment makes no sense . you are following eric not reading what I say, I have never said I am anti man. just to check ALL things
Norine, Charlie (farlie) should stay on his own questions where he can delete truths he does not like. I worry for him out here where he cannot just delete that which makes him think.
Charlie: U "test" through FAITH in HIS WORD! WORD given -"Search" for "rightly divided" TRUTH w/HELP fm Holy Spirit! See Phoenix's Quantum Entanglement Q!
Eric: Only those BOLD in their FAITH don't delete (run)! If shaky, worried, so they run!
and those sick and tired of the false accusations, misrepresentation and other wastes of time by those who have no real understanding of scripture but want to argue their liberal beliefs. & those with a single thing to say over & over &am
Don't get "angry" Charlie! "PROVE" your belief w/WORD is what Scripture says (II Tim 2:15)! I'm not angry & supposedly the devil. Why are you angry who is supposedly "righteous?"If I repeat WORD over & over maybe it's bcuz JESUS did (IICor
I could see Charlie in a skit. He is Jesus but he keeps deleting what poor humans have to say because they are stupid. He tells his disciples to shut up because they are ignorant. But he does it all in love?
Eric, that's really rude. Not a good example of what a Christian is supposed to be.
Charlie, I didn't understand your comment. Are you saying that the Bible is not inerrant? I agree, but I wasn't clear on your message. Could you expound upon it?
sd-yes the scriptures, are but bibles are not scripture, they contain some but bibles are translations of scripture and contain the errors in belief of the translators so we must be careful a good way to check is a interlinear bible
I have no idea what that means. What church do you belong to?
sd- the ekklesia, the kingdom of God, the true church of Jesus the Son of God. and you? I do not "belong to or attend" a "church". I am a part of the church according to scripture the new testament "church" is the people of God, no man rulers
How can u be a part of "THE CHURCH" when you deny Scripture that says there's ONE SPIRIT vs Father & Son which is 2/3 of "Trinity" & "Spin Off" from Catholic Faith?
How when u "delete" & defy I Pet 3:15 II Tim 2:15; I Tim 5:20? How? Answ
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