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Ronald E. Franklin says
Do you believe the first CHURCH was established on Day of Pentecost & our example? Do u blv Acts 1:4; WAIT; Acts 2:38;42 or if not Gal 1:6-9 applies?
Therefore, Col 2:16 speaks of "Ordinances" (v20) vs "Salvation!"
Baptism: Col 2:12 "Buried!"
Thank you Ron that is really helpful and well laid out.
"God left open to interpretation,.." What did HE leave "open to interpretation?"
II Peter 1:3 says "ALL THINGS pertaining to life in godliness" is in Scripture!
"God left open to interpretation" What did GOD leave "open to interpretation?" Did He not say "Lean not to YOUR OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5)?
II Pet 1:3 says "ALL THINGS that pertain unto life & godliness" are in Scripture!
Why so many "TWIST
Really well balanced and thought out Ron. I love it
Well, if u "love it," U hate the WORD of GOD! Did I not just give Scripture that "WE" are not "open to interpretation" of the WORD? Can u now see why there are so many diff beliefs? Each have "their own" interp rather than HS "revelation!"
Hi Ron, I agree with Eric that your answer is well thought out. We never should "add to" or "take away from" the Bible, as God tells us on the last page of the Bible when the answer is right there in black and white.
Well, if "open for interpretation," one is adding or taking away!
Ronald, You make the mistake of using material to back your case which is itself the subject of the matter under discussion. You cannot answer "How do you know the Bible speaks the truth?" by saying "because the Bible says it is".
Titus 1:15, "To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted." The corrupted soul finds folly from his human intelligence - 2 live in flesh
Read Hebrews 7, 8, 9!
Is "Catholic Faith" obeying?
there are NO issues left to interpretation that have eternal consequences. all the thing you mentioned have NO bearing on your eternal destiny. but REAL Christianity has NO PLACE FOR DIVISION,
1 Cor 1:10
John Welford, the question is whether a Christian can be justified in thinking their interpretation of the Bible is "right." That the Christian believes the Bible is inherent in the question. Otherwise, what difference does it make?
Ron: Why do u thk u can "interpret" Scripture? New Cov is a Spiritual Cov in which the Holy Spirit does EVERYTHING (Jn 14:26 "ALL TRUTH")! Why do u thk your "thoughts" r "higher than GOD'S?" Holy Spirit "reveals" "Man" not needed! Tells ea same!
Norine, to "interpret" simply means to explain what the text means or how it applies. Your comments in this thread are filled with your interpretations of certain verses. The Bible never says all Christians must see things as you do. Rom 14 says not.
Ron: What does "WITH ONE ACCORD" mean to you?
I don't "interpret" Holy Spirit "reveals!"
Rm 14 speaks of "carnal" thgs? Did u hear v17 & 20?
I Cor 12 speaks of ONE SPIRIT Who "leads & guides" (Jn 14:26)! No 1 "with one accord," haven't "wa
What wisdom do we impart? Are we free if we think? Norine reminds me that I think too much. The let go and the feel is the kingdom.
If "you think" or "interpret," you "overtake" the job of the Holy Spirit Who is JESUS. Do you "think" you can do better? Why does Scripture say "You must become as a little child?" Why does IT say "Lean not to "your own" understanding?"
Man v GOD?
There is proof though, that the bible has been edited by corrupt bishops and popes of history, and has since been too edited to be an exact word of god. How can we still that it is the definitve word of god, yet accept the fact that man has edited it
Logan, Do you "underestimate" the POWER of God Who is the Holy Spirit?
If so, you ARE NOT a "Believer!"
When you have not forgiven, then you have not humbled yourself b4 D Lord. You live in sin and the Spirit in not in you Ron. Jesus came for the sinner not the rightouse, surrender pride, which is the idolatry of the soul, cleanse it w Holy Eucharist.
What in the devil is the "Holy Eucharist?" Does it supersede the blood of Christ? What man-made doctrine is this? The "Catholic Faith?" Hog wash!
Did you read the Book of Hebrews? If so, why all these "rituals?"
Fanaticism shows its face in many forms and many hues.
Jon: And so does SATAN! He has "legions" of "demonic spirits" to "impregnant " one!
CELAFOE: DID u "HEAR?" Paul is the "MOSES" of the New Covenant and brought the "MESSAGE" of "GRACE" Which IS the "GOSPEL OF CHRIST!"
STUDY to SHEW THYSELF APPR'D
Romans addresses the true converts to Christanity Ron, from Jesus to Peter and the apostles, all baptized in truth by d Holy Trinity. Those who can enlighten in d 'word' are those in d 'vine of true faith' nourished by d Father - sanctified by blood.
GOD operates in "GLORIES" not a "Trinity!" You "limit" GOD as 3!
The "Catholic Faith" KILLS! I Corinthians Chapter 12 says "ONE SPIRIT" not 3!
I Corinthians 1:13 asks "IS CHRIST DIVIDED?" Why does the "Catholic Faith" (or any other)DIVIDE?"
The 'Eucharist' is the Latin word for 'Holy communion' and is the celebration of the Last Supper.
All the traditional churches use the phrase
Hope that helps
Where is Scripture? Have you read the Book of Hebrews? No more "rituals & sacrifices!" Have you read I Cor 11:17-34?
JESUS is "The Bread" & "Drink!" We "Commune" w/HIM when doing Jn 4:23-24!
This is "Spiritual" v man "carnal!"
Can I suggest you actually check out what people believe before accusing! Catholics believe Jesus is actually and physically there at the Eucharist! To them it's not ritual but real!
It's us Protestants that say he isn't!
Did u hear what u said? THEY BELIEVE?
Who cares what man believes!
If not in WORD - It's a "LIE!"
That's why there r so many diff denominations who've been influenced by "The Catholic Faith's" beliefs & Satan's laughing!
No 1CORR-just go alon
"Where two or three are gathered in my name" comes to mind
Law: "In my name" means being "IN" what IS WRITTEN not just "saying" JESUS! Remember Satan knows JESUS (WORD) too!
Did you READ the Book of Hebrews? Then "CORRECT" (II Tim 3:16)!
Mrs. Williams, you again twist and manipulate words and sentances to fit your own concocted beliefs. You are no more a follower of "Christ-like principles," than any domineering dictator. Fraudulant nonsense.
Covenant of God is d blood of D Lamb, shed for d forgiveness of sins, if we love God eat of His body n drink of His blood, to 'remain in Him,' John 6:56-58 Comes Gods covenant to true believers of His words. The apostles were one in bdy n Spr w Chris
Jon: YOU prove my point (SATAN)! If one doesn't know Gal 1:6-9 NOT "IN CHRIST" & will say ANYTHING like you!
Ed: If one doesn't "preach the Gospel of Christ" which is "AFTER THE CROSS" (Acts) not "IN CHRIST" & "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
Am here 2 enlighten not judge. if believing in Jesus is completion of 3 elements of faith(Sp of God,water,blood) what is the argument if we do not remain in d 'word?' Jesus wants us to unite with d 3, so we may have everlasting life; Covenant - Blood
"Enlighten" in FALSE DOCTRINE? That's problem "No Judgment" w/WORD! How can 1 know "wrong" if NO JUDGMENT (Is 59:8)?
What 3 (I Cor12;Eph4:4-6)?
"Catholic Faith" defies WORD!
sounds you got right prosition
WORD is RIGHT (Prov 30:5)!
Men stuck in "TRADITIONS" & FALSE DOCTRINES!
Protestants may believe in Scriptures, but d RCC n 'universal' church of God adds 'true faith' 2 satisfy d promise of d Covenant of God, justified by faith in Christ Jesus (as in Gal 3:22) that's why Jesus comes 2 fulfill d law, not 2 abolish
PRECISELY - "To fulfill" and if "fulfilled" according to Hebrews 7, 8, & 9, why continue under "fulfilled" law? HE'S DONE IT ALL! Why continue in "rituals, sacrifices?" Why?
Ron E. Franklin, let us agree it is wrong to kill, especially women and children. Why then did Joshua kill the women and children? I do not question God, but people who kill in the name of God. The Old Testament depicts God as a killer. Why?
Do you believe there's a heaven? If so, you probably believe there's a hell w/ eternal torture! Does that sound like a GOD who doesn't KILL?
We better be glad HE DIED for us & left the gift of "GRACE" so HE doesn't KILL "ALL!"
Eric, unless you "repent," you're headed for HELL! You deny GOD'S WORD by "deleting" & "cause your brother to stumble" (Rm 14:13-23) when TRUTH is given! WWJD?
You're in trouble w/GOD!
Sometimes you are just too funny Norine. I am just now understanding your humor.
GOD'S WORD is "humorous?" Don't let your mouth write a check that your a** can't cash! (Norine speaking)! Ps 139:22!Eric I tell TRUTH (life or death)! You have wisdom 2 know not 2 anger GOD (Prov 9:10) but don’t STUDY for generations in your family!
That is funny too Norine. You must be kidding that you know what generations of my family have been like.
FUTURE generations will be saved or don't you "love" them enough?
That ain't "funny!"
Norine, I think it would be advisable for you to take a step back and ask God to heal you. Then maybe you could evaluate your dreams and visions and the voices you hear more effectively. Pretty much you have to be sane in order to understand.
I want u to "research" Scripture & write HUB of how many x's JESUS did "INSANE" thgs according to "man!" "Cast the 1st stone" (Insane); "Turn the other cheek" (Insane); "Heal on Sabbath" (Insane); and others! Do that for a "sermon" PLEASE!
Except that all of those words were written by people playing God. Inspiration or not, anyone can say God selected them to deliver the message thus elevating that person to a higher status. So none of it can be verified.
Spoken like a true unbeliever! Provide the book?
If one has been anointed w/the HOLY SPIRIT, they'd KNOW who is LYING & who's not bcuz GOD would tell them!
Not many here (on HP) huh?
Ron, Norine, Eric, Law n all Protestants, I pray that u heed the Scriptures with 'true faith,' as true coverts to the vine, d RCC, blessed by Jesus and nourished by God w d Holy Eucharist; D HS tells u that ur faith is of d flesh not of d Spirit/God.
ET and Norine, you two show exactly why I wrote this question. You both claim to know the truth through the word of God yet you disagree. The only ways that makes sense is you are both crazy or both right. HS speaks to us in different ways is the oth
Ron, Eric, Norine, Law, n ol Prot. Be not deceived by false prophets saying they're Christians but corrupting d words of God fr d bible creating many interpret. Romans 6 tells us of sanctification n holiness, message 2 new converts. Romans 14 now Chr
Eric: I can give Scripture for my belief. Ask? Then ask ET why Holy Eucharist which defies Heb 7,8, 9, why Trinity, why sprinkling, why baptism in Titles vs Name? Why can't he give Scriptures?
If not, u know who's LYING!
Alas you two give further proof of my premise. Wouldn't it be cool if the Holy Spirit spoke to on of you to accept the other's belief. But your egos would not let you.
Norine, deleted again. You have to stop calling people bad names. It is just disturbing.
Norine, Matt. 5:22 in part; " but whosoever shall say, ‘Thou fool,’ shall be in danger of hell fire." Until you stop with this damnable practice you shall be deleted here.
norine-- according to scripture the only person you can call a fool is one who says there is no God. That person is called a fool by scripture.
Tell Paul that when he called them "FOOLS" at the Church in Galatia!
Sorry to remind you Norine but you are not Paul and you were calling believers fools, just because they differed from you. You are the epitome of what this question is about.
GOD operates the same way HE did as w/Paul! Have u heard of Judah's Daughter on HP? Why does she "see" what I "see?" Ask urself that! Bcuz BELIEVERS r on 1 accord! "Politically correct" religious indiv & those "ego tripping" can't "see!"
Norine says, "I don't "interpret" Holy Spirit "reveals!"" If 10 are given same rev from God, there will be 10 interpretations. Each will consider his own to be right, as Norine does in all these matters. Revelation vs Interpretation? No difference.
The Holy Spirit does NOT reveal ANYTHING to those of false churches which is WHY those of false churches DO NOT UNDERSTAND God word. The Holy Spirit does NOT reveal ANYTHING to those clergies of false churches which is WHY they are FALSE CHURCHES.
"Revelation" "...searches all thgs, yea the DEEP THINGS OF GOD" (I Cor 2:10) while "Interpretation" looks @ "the ltr" (II Cor3:6) as they do Father & Son!
JESUS spoke in "parables," (Matt13:10-13) to distinguish who didn't do as Acts 1:4 "WAIT!
And Norine and KC become the judges of who has received true revelation from God and if the understanding of that revelation is correct. And then they will turn on each other.
NOPE! Holy Spirit "determines" and it MUST BE in accordance with HIS WORD (aka Scripture/Bible)!
If NOT WRITTEN, it's a LIE (Numbers 23:19)!
I give WORD!
Chris Mills- I suggest you STUDY on the "entire" subject of the Holy Spirit before you continue to stick you foot in your mouth. This should apply to you too Eric. Because it's evident you don't have a clue with regards to the Holy Spirit.
K&C shame on you! Evidence is carnal. You rely on carnal to determine the correctness of my view?
Eric- Jesus was a WITNESS and provided "evidence" of TRUTH. John 6:63 (NKJV) ........... THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE.. There IS spiritual "EVIDENCE" Isn't Jesus a WITNESS of the TRUTH. " EVIDENCE"
It is OK K&C I suppose we are like the friends in the upper room when Jesus appeared. Some disciples believed as a matter of course. You are doubting Thomas that needed proof/evidence. We are like the disciples, different.
Eric, they were "WITH ONE ACCORD" in Acts concerning the "Gospel of Christ!" Yes diff bodies, but SAME (SPIRITUAL) MIND! We're on diff levels of "revelations" but ALL headed to the TRUTH in the "Gospel of Christ!" Prevention of rev "think" v WORD!
Also G.O your anylsis of what the bible says is not based on human thinking like bypola , as imperfect humans are the ones who say imperfect statements.
Jesus is the truth not a witness thereof. Faith is a believer's evidence. Hebrews 11:1. Faith is a gift from God therefore because I have faith I have evidence that God is. When we seek for truth with the hope of finding it we will receive faith.
Bible 1Co 13:2
And if I have the gift of prophesying and am acquainted with all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to transplant mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
Judas had faith in who Jesus was
Well, don't tell your child "THE FIRE IS HOT" because he wants to touch & continue to display your kind of love which is to keep "peace" to get alone & defy WORD in Lev 19:17 "REBUKE ur neighbor & don't let him sin" which shows REAL LOVE!
Oh really k&t?and what, u r not a human?if i recollect correctly u wr the one to declare that all the other 4.2 billion people are fraudsters just because they dont follow Christianity!
G.O you need to back track. Recollect follow your memory again .you will find no statment by me . you have mixed me up with another's comment.
I never tell people who to follow.
Thats not my job.
Maybe you should pay more attention !
Chris: Why I disagree w/K&T "Not my job to tell anyone who to follow!"
K&T: Not a Disciple of Christ? Why go "door to door?" What JW'S telling? Ever heard of "teach all nations?" "Teach" what? To follow "Miller?"
Norine example if a boss hires you to do something who is responsible in getting it done.its you or your job to carry out instructions.we carry a message but not ours. its Jehovah and Jesus instructions we also must follow them. Not a human message
If boss gives me written instructions, I have authority to use! U don't represent boss very well if u don't enforce what he's said! When using WORD, I represent GOD (BOSS), not "me!"
Why go "door to door" if not? Who do u rep "Miller?"
Norine I already delivered. The carrier owes you know explanation of written info delivered to you. If you have a complaint take it up with Jehovah or Jesus its their message even before our birth. So you argue with them.
U "run," u don't "deliver" & "try" to persuade others to "run!"
Is 10:1-2 "Woe unto them [who] turn aside the needy from judgment, & to take away the right fm the poor of my people..."
RUN K&T! RUN! But "Woe be unto you!"
Norine again take up with Jesus and Jehovah.
You have a complaint of what Jesus did and how he said do it .
Then thats between you and him.
I have no argument with you.
So we will not continue this conversation.
You will on your own.
Your "MO"=RUN! I have "taken IT up w/JESUS who is Jehovah!" Your "MO" displays "unrighteousness!" Ever heard "TEACH ALL NATIONS?" Ever heard "REBUKE ur brother & don't allow him to suffer sin?" EVER heard "Feed my sheep?" Doesn't fit your "MO!
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A marvelous comment that I will take to heart. A great thing to have the spirit and the intellect to engage or not.
Yes. Without prudence they will drain our energy; take us down to their own levels. Again, they are God's children, not ours. We should do our duty, yes, but surrendering the results to a Higher Authority. Much Love.
Yep. You speak a good truth friend. I shall meditate on it.
Either you guys don't believe GOD (Bible) or think there are diff highways to get to HIM when He's said ONE LORD, ONE faith, ONE Baptism (Eph 4:4-6)! and you will "be "ACCURSED" if u preach any other gospel" (Gal 1:6-9)! Bible is God's WORD so...
manatita44, you speak with great wisdom, proven in practice instead of ranter.
He sure does "Wisdom of the world!" He uses "intellect," knows what "his," don't have to serve SAME GOD, don't think GOD is "confining," isolated," or divides!" Don't know WORD (or use) just pitiful man made "love!" Yup! He's "brilliant" 2 man!
Silent love is not what God may want us to do, for He has given us the breathe of life to seek God's Kingdom and His righteousness to save us from sin and evil. Spreading what is true in the gospel makes us one with Him in the light of truth.
"Teach all nations" (Matt 28:20), How can you obey "silently?"
I Tim 5:20!
Another "love" Christian said this!
Another "love" Christian said this!
silent love is NOT OF GOD. it is a product of the minds of unstable men. you say you "love" everyone but you do not love enough t give scriptural correction. if you do not have enough love to follow scripture you are not of God.
Amen. 8 Beatitudes lead us to God's heavenly Kingdom Manatita44, it can be experienced revealed by God to you, as He may allow, for He knows what is in your heart. But silent love is passive love, blessed are we n family 2 spread d gospel of truth.
Man worships "idol gods" in "love" & thinks he serves the CREATOR when HE told us "Thou shalt have NO OTHER gods BEFORE me" (Exd 20:3)!
Sin of omission is doing wat good u are supposed to do but did not care 2 do, similar to James 4:17, it's spreading d light of truth manatita44, n ol who may need 2 seek guidance fr d HS, for d perfection of r love in Christ - 2 love in Truth no fear
READ HUB - I HATE ALL RELIGIONS!
No carrier is saying You better open that letter. That is not the carriers business. That message in a letter is yours to accept or decline . people mix this up. we have already done the delivery. Its up to you what you do with the message.
How r we to "make disciples" r "teach" w/o giving WORD? Is 8:20 "..if they speak not according to this word, it's because there's no light n them."
WORD judges-not "me!"
Some ppl never read Bible! MOST ppl "taught" TWISTED!
Yes, it's up to you!
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Lawrence Hebb says
Really cool Lawrence, as I read this I came to see that much in life is a test. Not a me against you test, not a competition but rather a test in confidence in faith.
Are you all so "ignorant" of His WORD? Love "ignorance?" Did JESUS? The Bible has been written for ALL but u guys act like nothing's in IT! Have you READ? All say "love," but don't know what that is (Jn 21:15-17)! U don't love JESUS r u would READ
I've read the Bible thru at least once a year for 30 years! I think I know what it says! Have you? (And I mean even the hard parts of the OT!).
You may think you have the monopoly on truth but remember Jesus prayer in John 17 please
Grt Law! Then u no Jesus came, sent Holy Spirit to HELP, anointed Paul to talk for Him, & we now "Worship n Spirit" under New Covenant! With that being said, if u WAITED ur "revelation" should be SAME as mine (ONE SPIRIT) & "love" is automa
As I said. Some things are unchanging like Christ's work on Calvary and his Deity etc.
Some things he leaves for us to work out like do we want the gifts of the Spirit (for me , yes please) not all Christians accept them. That's what I mean.
Did u accept Law? If so, we should have THAT SAME SPIRIT! Again, since u've read, did Christ not die, sent HS, anointed Paul to talk thru him (vessel), & we NOW live under New Covenant? If so, we should have THAT SAME SPIRIT w/no mistakes, RIGH
I agree. But with some things left for us to choose or work out (Proverbs 25 verse 2 and Deut 29 verse 29). Classic is how many gifts are there? some say 9 others teach from other lists in the Bible there are 27!
No Law! When "we choose" or "work out" the Holy Spirit allows one to do so and "we" mess up "thinking we can do it better!" Belief becomes "twisted" & not as Holy Spirit (JESUS) says! "Cast your cares on Him! Results "accurate!" Not "ur" interpr
Glory of God or glory of Kings? I know which I want! but I can still show what Jesus wants (love and understanding) to those choosing the glory of Kings!
God loves us, that's why he wants us to think things through and come to our own conclusions
Interesting concept Norine. You have also been given the authority and interpretation of law?
Wow there is no area in which you are not blessed -- or maybe not?
Law: HE doesn't want us to "think things out" or HE wouldn't have told us to "Lean not to our OWN understanding" (Proverbs 3:5)!
Eric: That's the man's name Law short for Lawrence! No rm to spell out entire name!
TOO MUCH "CARNAL" V "SPIRITUAL"
Norine I can see where you're coming from but that's with regard to salvation!. That's why I put the two other scriptures in, that there are things for us to figure out, that's also why Jesus used parables.
Law: Prov 25:2 "kings" King of the Jews (JESUS) sent HS to HELP (Jn 14:26;16:13).Deut 29:29 "revelation belong to us" via HS! Rm 8:1-14. "Not by works" ("figure out"), lest any man should boast" (Eph 2:9)!
The HOLY SPIRIT does it ALL! No mistakes!
Amen, the fullness of the law of God is to love in truth, God and of others, even to love your enemies. Believing in Jesus in 'true faith' comes love for the poor and the astray, that more may be saved believing n sharing what is true in d gospel.
Being "ANOINTED" with the Holy Spirit gives us the by-product of "love" (Lev 19:17) as GOD intended!
Norine, what is your aim here? A few converts to present to St. Peter when you approach the Pearly Gates? Better have all your papers and credentials in place... you might be evicted.
Believer vs. Unbeliever? Who stands better chance?
I least I have "hope!"
Provide the book?
As an unbeliever, I have a better chance of using my life in a way that gives benefit, joy and satisfaction to others as well as my self.
Since there is no consciousness for me after death, now must be the time for full consciousness.
Alan, let me wax philosophical, -- are you sure you are not dead? I am not contained in a vessel. I am not inside a thing. Too deep for words.
Jon: You said it "myself!" Pleasing "self" is ungodly!
Rm 8:8 "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please GOD."
What say thee?
Eric: If "IN CHRIST" u r "contained in a vessel" (Spirit)!
Remove "your thinking" & rely on WORD!
Obedience 2 God s pureness in one's heart, in God's law of Love, and to love in truth. I can see man's pride, they can't boast I Jesus, but of 'self,' it's insecurity 2 b governed by their stomach n death - I still pray 4 hope in light that heals
Ed: I pray you are delivered fm the "Catholic Faith!" The Book of Hebrews condemns their doctrine! I Cor 1:13 condemns their belief in Trinity by asking "IS CHRIST DIVIDED?"
II Tim 2:15 asks you to "STUDY" for yourself, yet you follow "Catholics
The truth lies in r Spirit, Norine, never in our heart, soul or mind. Saint Peter a d apostles best understood ol these as Christ's dis'ples. Their love 4 Jesus saw their very imperfection w/in their souls. Humbled, they repented, b/blood cleansed
"Pure HEART" (Matt 5:8) creates Spirit of Christ and shall "see GOD!"
Don't let "Catholic Faith" deceive you! "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15)!
What man has "established" as a RELIGION defies WORD!
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I like your notion of peer review. I sure do treasure my buddies that keep me from getting too far out their.
You're RIGHT RT! Everyone wants to "talk," but no one wants to READ His WORD! Without READING, they have no "iron to sharpen iron" yet continue to elaborate & voice "their opinion!" Are they really that "ignorant" to listen to pastors?
While all are not what they should be, many pastors are faithful to the Word, Heb. 5:14. Humble, kind, and patient, these exemplify His strong but gentle compassion in the way they reach out to others with God's Word, 1 Tim. 2:1-6, 2 Tim. 2:25-26.
"I would not have you "ignorant" brethren..." (I Thess 4:13)! Sounds like "meekness?" He's talking to Believers! JESUS tore up Temple on unbelievers! Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ! Just keep "foolishly" talking voicing "their
Yes, His truth, the Word of God, stands on its own. I agree too with your statement about it can only truly begin by faith in dependence on God.
It does "stand alone," but one MUST consider the "Chain of Events" or belief will be "twisted!"
@Norine Williams wrote :"(I Thess 4:13)!....He's talking to Believers! JESUS....Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ!"
First verse says this is from Paul, Silas, and Timothy, not He/Jesus. Speaking of being too lazy to read....
If u knew WORD u would know JESUS was speaking thru Paul as He did w/the Prophets (Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16) "putting His law in his heart & mind!" JESUS talked thru Paul (II Tim 3:16)!
How can scripture speak for it self, literally or in metaphor? This is where confusion may come among opinionated interpretations. The one who possesses God's Spirit comes the pureness of his soul, God's spirit is revealed in truth.
Scripture (WORD=GOD=JESUS=HOLY SPIRIT) is ALIVE & "speaks for HIMSELF!"
IF one "WAITED" HE SPEAKS to you and "REVEALS" TRUTH in HIS WORD!
Due diligence is always with d help of d HS, without Him we cannot think right, with love n light. Without Him darkness may rule the mind, the comes corruption. Unless healed by d light (word) and cleansed by d blood of d Lamb, no truth is in Him.
When WORD is given "truth" is in me! I say Gal 1:6-9 "any other gospel"="ACCURSED!" I didn't say IT GOD did! GOD said Paul "vessel" (Acts 9:15) "put laws in heart & mind" (Jer 31:33) Spoke thru Paul & told us what to do for SALVATION! Diff=
example the mail carriers, we are similar.We deliver, its not our job to open your mail or to read it.
Thats your job.We do not follow mail carriers just because they deliver. carriers do not expect any one to follow them. Your mail is your buisness
When GOD tells u to open ltr, u BETTER open!Rm10:14-15 "How then shall they call on him n whom they have not blv'd? & how shall they blv in him of whom they have not heard? & how shall they hear w/o a preacher? & how shall they preach exc
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Funny Alan but it seems that love is the last thing these folks want.
What is "love" w/o WORD? If u love me, feed my sheep! Do u "love" Him? U know WORD to feed sheep? Love won't save u, WORD will!
I rest my case on Norine. I kind of take the whole battle scene with the pharisees and Jesus as a mark. An idea. "I say that you must think this or you are condemned". Written word to some is a key to freedom, to others the lock.
It's not a lock Eric! It's freedom in it's purest form! Holy Spirit (Jesus) doesn't lie & will "lead & guide u" in EVERYTHING! You never worry, just "rest" in BELIEF in HIS WORD! It's awesome!
Go on, Norine, have the last word in every thread, we all can hear you. The Word you speak of seems almost irrelevant here. It's the voices in your head that need attention.
Wishing you well.
Norine you missed something as a child in His word. It is in His enveloping love that we are saved not in a language that man communicates with man. The heart is the language with which our God speaks to those who listen.
Who told u that LIE? Your Sunday school teacher? GOD spoke thru Prophets & Paul & he said "ACCURSED" if you don't preach the Gospel of Christ! Now what does not preaching the gospel of Christ have to do w/"your" analogy (love saves)?
Haha...Norine, you could be a real star at Marble Arch Corner in London.
There you could meet up with all manner of heathen, devil-impregnated preachers and have a ball of a time.
"Devil impregnated?" I have YOU!
So true, love and forgiveness makes us one with God, in the highest form of love, 'agape love,' unconditional but justified in truth.
Lev 19:17 shows "love" for our neighbor!
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Ralph Schwartz says
Yes Ralph that is a never ending cycle. Obsessive devotion to setting laws in place seems abnormal at all times.
"Normal" is knowing GOD'S WORD if Christian. There are no "sides" just TRUTH in WORD! Follow "Chain of Events" in Scripture to follow Christ then "Normal" Christian!
In 1 Corinthians 2:14, "The person without the Spirit (natural person) does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit."
READ Hebrews 7,8,9 to "understand" the "Catholic Faith" is in error!
Eph 2:8-9 "Not by "our works," lest any man should boast," but the Holy Spirit now "WORKS!"
Norine - I'm not going to read your handbook for indoctrination. Prove your point without a scripture quote....I dare you. You're indoctrinated and a zealot - you'll say what ever your handler tells you to.
My "Handler" is the Holy Spirit the "opposite" of yours (Jn 8:44)!
"Handler" sounds like someone leading a wire-haired terrier around the show ring.
Because you can't think "Spiritually" (Jn 14:26)! "Leads & guides!" HALLELUJAH!
When I was younger I thought I knew what was normal. Then I traveled to a number of foreign countries. I visited Israel, Egypt, India, Hong Kong, etc. I learned what is normal is different all over the world. It put life in perspective for me.
When I wrote this question out I was referring to normal as a person without a pronounced handicap of some sort prohibiting them from forming cognitive thought. Some are impaired. Not about different views.
"Normal" is what MAJORITY rules as "normal! Nothing "normal" to mere man when speaking of "Spiritual" things as Eric perceives "impaired!"
ONLY GOD'S WORD RULES when speaking of "SPIRITUAL" (Bible) things!
Ralph I pray that u will open your heart to d Lord n humble yourself to Him n see what truth can be revealed in your heart is you begin to 'love in truth,' no malice, only d pureness of ur heart to learn fr d Holy Spirit, den c truth in God's words.
My PRECISE prayer for you Ed!
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Chris Mills says
Men "interpret" but the Holy Spirit "reveals" TRUTH!
If Scripture says HS will "lead & guide us into ALL TRUTH," it is commanded of us to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HIS assistance then we would have Faith in SAME "ONE MIND" (JESUS) & not "DIFFER
Christ is and will alway be our TEACHER through the Holy Spirit. Read John 16:14 (NKJV) He will glorify Me, for He will take what is Mine and "DECLARE" IT TO YOU.
K&C and Norine, is it possible for the Holy Spirit to talk to us all differently, as he did to Peter and Paul? If your answer is no, then you two are lost causes.
Eric- If you truely want to seek truth, then you have a lot to learn.
Have a good day.
Hmm, let us see -- K&C and Norine both think they are guided by the Holy Spirit yet they are divided in their understanding. So either they are guided differently, one is not guided or both are not guided. You decide.
Eric, read Acts 11! HS (aka JESUS) "revealed" circumcision to Peter too! Not "differently" but as our FAITH allows! If we "block" HE will not "reveal!" Why we MUST stay "OPEN" not throw n trash or delete! If so, "meat too strong" & Jn 16:12-15!
Romans 9:16 it depends on God the owner of his messa
1Cor 3:6-7 is clear that niether the one that plants or water.
But it is God who makes it grow.
The message in the letter is Gods word
That makes disciples. We are just carriers that deliver
Yes, BUT we MUST "plant the seed!"
Now get busy!
Stop "running" when one questions your belief & do as I Peter 3:15 say "Give an answer to EVERY MAN that askethu a reason of the hope that is in you" or will u cont to listen to "Miller?"
NW I dont give two boots to what you r saying, there is no 'Burden of proof" here, this is not a criminal trial.If u dont wanna read it urself-----up to u
You will when you "stand before the judgment seat of Christ" and have continued to violate II Kings 17:29-41!
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Akanshaa Kumar says
Very interesting. You made me reflect "I am right, right now but tomorrow I might be right differently". I just love the word growth. You just changed my outlook for now, thank you.
Amen! Precisely! We GROW! Messenger conveys "revelation" given them & it's up to one to "study" to see if "new revelation" is so!
The Word of God is ALIVE!
Only GOD can reveal!
I was "taught" Communion until Hebrews "revealed" differently!
????now tarot readers are christian counselors????????
"...as one climbs the ladder of spirituality, the holy books (Scripture) open up themselves and convey more information."
TO THIS, "I AGREE!" - WE GROW!
If you have the Spirit of God, the 'word' is within ur understanding for u live in the light of truth, no matter how semantics may differ, truth in your spirit helps u discern beyond human knowledge, it is but 'divine logic' that frees u fr deception
"Semantics" will NEVER "differ" if THAT SAME SPIRIT (I Cor 12) has "revealed!" Have you heard of "WITH ONE ACCORD" in Acts? No one "differed!" That's the "Spirit of discernment" from the Holy Spirit Who has ONE MIND!
Yes we grow :)
Let us say, you have two sides - the Jews and the Torah, Christ and the bible. If one lives by the Torah, and disobeys the Torah, then one will be punished by the Torah. If one accepts the bible and disobeys the bible, one is punished by the bible.
yes Angele. well said according to scripture
There is only 1 true God Angela, Christ is 'I am,' as the God incarnate, 1 with d Father. Now, all rule n authority is w Him, through Him comes words fr d Father. Promise 2 eternal life comes fr Christ, the truth in r spirit tells us, via d HS in us.
angle&edwinoel- before anyone jumps on it- you are both correct in what you are saying . A is telling what the supposed Christian that keeps the law can expect and ed- talking about salvation which is only thru Christ the Son of God
Christ has fulfilled the law of Moses, the Torah prepares for the Passover in the sacred blood of The Lamb that frees us from sin, the Messiah is Yeshua Hamashiach,Jesus the Lord in His resurrection comes our resurrection and oneness w Spirit f God
LAWS have been "FULFILLED!" Anyone living according to Torah Jm 2:10 "offend n 1 pt guilty of all!"GOOD LUCK! Especially when GRACE via JESUS is given!
Moses Messenger of Old Covenant (LAW) & Paul Messenger of New Covenant (GRACE)!
Everything that happens are all in God's divine plan, no worry for true believers, the corrupt ones may stay filthy and wicked, never understanding of d 'word,' may understand part, cannot explain in full, may do true wisdom of God's Spirit gv u Un
And is why I give WORD! God's Plan for ALL to know "Trinity" errs! I Cor 1:13 asks "IS CHRIST DIVIDED?" & "WERE YOU BAPTIZED in the NAME OF PAUL?" or as disciples were under New Covenant when FIRST CHURCH was established (Acts 2:38)?
G.O your reply does not answer my comment.
Hindu believe in their own man made gods.
Jehovah is not made by human hands he created us .
Next the problem is not what is written the problem lies in understanding who who he grants to understand.
And my answer is the same 'Get urbhistory right before u comment' Geeta came 3000 years befor Bible.I wont vomment or critisize as u do but hostory speaks for itself Charlie
G.O that may be true but that has nothing to do with the truth.
Example you write here on HP.
Hp existed before we could start writing here as a buisness.
History of the past existed but when it was released as books has nothing to do with truth
That's peculiar!! So K&T what you r projecting is, that its a bipolar world.Bible is true but Geeta or any other scripture=false i.e the other 4.5bn people are following a lie! Then how come their prayers are also answered just as ur prayers are?
GO If u cont worshiping those gods made of hand, LOST! CREATOR "rains on just & unjust" (Matt5:45) & "will not share HIS Glory" (Is 42:8)! Hindu worship(s) idols Bfore copying Bible! 2 Kgs 17:29
Where's book w/more prophecies written Bfore Bi
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"Interpretation" is from "man's understanding" vs "revelation" from GOD (aka Holy Spirit)!
I Cor 2:10 "But GOD has REVEALED them unto us by HIS SPIRIT: for the SPIRIT searchest ALL things, YEA, the "DEEP THINGS" OF GOD!"
Amen. The 'word' of God us to unite us in 'true faith,' never to divide us, for evil and darkness may try to divide true believers, but those consecrated in truth remains with Christ and I Christ forever, for they remain in Him, in His words n light
Ed: Peter & Paul had division over circumcision so don't say "new revelation" doesn't DIVIDE? GOD grows ppl into HIS likeness; not complacent! U sound like those "love" fanatics who call themselves "Christians!"
Amen. Stay in the light as you spread the words of truth. Remain in Christ in 'true faith' abiding with His words and commands, and partake of d Holy Eucharist to feel His presence in you, in body and Spirit, you be one with the Holy Spirit and live.
" Holy Eucharist?" Where is that in Bible as your "Trinity" is not!
READ Hebrews & BELIEVE the WORD of GOD, or you are as those in Matt 7:22!
Is lost of your soul worth "teachings" and "traditions" (FALSE DOCTRINE)?
Also as carriers do people argue with the mail carrier about the contents of a letter ? How can they .its not their message. How does that look arguing with your carrier about a message sent to you is the same message the carrier himself had to read
Listen girl, WORD is OPEN for ALL! Do as IT says! Stop "trying" to associate "carnal" things with "SPIRITUAL!"
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That is a very nice answer. Thank you.
EJ: "Best to rely on God then." who is the Holy Spirit! Amen! Didn't HE ask us to "WAIT" for HELP fm HS (Acts 1:4) for "revelation" vs man's "interpretation?" "..they tend to be more "right". NOT more than GOD!
"The goal should b loving God" If OBEY
Thank you EricaJean I love your answer !
Unfortunately, NO ONE knows what loving GOD & ppl means! Who wants to see anyone they love go to HELL (lake of fire) and/or face the WRATH of GOD?
K&T Why do you believe there's no HELL when Revelation is written?
G.O just because we go through the motions of communication on our end does not mean he accepts on his end.
Prayer is another word for communication with the Heavenly Father.
A husband can block his 1Peter 3:7
As mention satan answers request.
K&T: U never responded as to why u believe there is no HELL when WORD (GOD) SAID "Give an answer to EVERY MAN that asketh u a reason of the "hope" that is in u" (I Pet 3:15)!
Why defy Scripture for "belief?"
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Gabriel Wilson says
Do you believe? If so, believe 2 Tim 3:16; Jer 31:33;Heb 8:10;10:16; Jn 14:26;16:13;Acts 1:4;8; 2:2;38! Now you believe in New Covenant & should live under as did the disciples in Acts 2:42!
If "unbalanced" u're looking as those in Acts 2:13!
Norine, if I was to take the things you write seriously I would not believe for no other reason than they way you deliver, with very little conviction and all based on hearsay that was and has been written and rewritten by man. Unbalanced, go figure.
OH! So u are an "Unbeliever?" "Man?" Who can withstand the Hand of GOD (aka Holy Spirit)? Don't "Believe" or you would KNOW - NOBODY! If u don't believe HE will "lead & guide u" into LIES OF "MAN" u r an "Unbeliever!
I rest my case.
Since an Unbeliever, provide a book with as many "fulfilled prophecies" written BEFORE Bible or "I rest my case!"
Norine you are missing the point here, read what I wrote: Can I believe in God without believing in the words written by man, yes I can. Your quotes were all written by man and to deny that you are off your rocker. No higher power wrote the Bible.
Well GOD LIED! II Tim 3:16 says "All Scripture is INSPIRED BY GOD..." and if u blv man inserted that provide a book with as many "fulfilled prophecies" written BEFORE Bible?
If u blv, u must become as child & BELIEVE "ALL" of HIS WORD or LOST!
G.O The Heavenly Father is the only one who created human life.
He feeds us all by providing the earth to produce.
Matt 5:45 says the truth.
Answering a prayer does not mean you keep his approval , Judas walked with Jesus but betrayed him.
Thank GOD for Judas for he was "vessel" used in order for JESUS to go the "THE CROSS" & "FULFILL SCRIPTURE!"
K&T then lemme ask u a ques. Who do u think answers a prayer?
G.O good question , Matth 7:11 tells the truth. To prove the point.
Read At Matt4:9 tells us who grants and gives.
Many think God the Father hear all No!
Lament 3:44, So your prayer may not pass through.
Isaiah 59:2 says he refuses to hear you.
GOD is so "GRACIOUS" HE "RAINS ON THE JUST & UNJUST" (Matt 5:45)!
II Kings 17:29-41 SPOKE of those "Serving other gods!"
"just and unjust" so Norine u have now resorted to calling all the non christians unjust? Wow!
Why do u say "*I* call" when I was only quoting what JESUS SAID?
Do u not believe Bible either? JESUS was talking in Matt 5:45, not "me!"
U sound like the "Christians" on HP!
Gabriel, you cannot win, but you don't need to. That "God" they pray to only exists in their minds. If a prayer gets answered as they want it to, God was the giver. If it doesn't get answered they will always find an excuse. Convenient, eh?
"serve other gods?"....Norine, so according to u it is not possible that a person can be a non Christian and still be a righteous and just human being? What is more imp being a christian or being a benevolent and honest human? I want a straight answr
How can 1 be "a righteous & just person" yet don't BELIEVE the "CREATOR?" "Rt & just" is NOT "in the eye of the beholder," but is according to what GOD HAS SAID!
If not fm BIBLE ("inspired WORD of GOD;" II Tm 3:16), NOT "RIGHT!"
Truly amazing to believe that you know more than God about everything. What do you say about the books of the bible that the Nicene council threw away Norine. Was the council God inspired like you? Or were they political clergy beasts?
Who "KNOWS MORE THAN GOD?" R u "IGNORANT?" Nicene Council has NOTHING on the HOLY SPIRIT Who tells 1 "ALL THGS!" Did HE not SAY HE would "lead & guide into ALL TRUTH?" I BELIEVE! How about u?
Jonny not true .let me apply that statment you made to you.
If I communicate with you and you do not answer me you dont exist?
Also consider move ahead thousand of years people , the same words would be said about your existince
you are real.He is
Girl Jony "MOCKS" GOD! SATAN n disguise as he puts it he's "impregnated w/demons!" The only x u see him "come out" when TRUTH is coming forth & someone believes; then he comes & "tries" to prevent (Jn 10:10)!
"Resist the devil&he will fle
Oh Norine are u that unilluminated? When did johnny ever mock God? Its nothing more than ur glaring ignorance.READ get your history right!U r proving urself nothing more than a misfit
Keep denying II Kings 17:29-41 & you will find out who the "misfit" is! If u can't provide "the book" w/as many accurate fulfilled prophecies written BEFORE Bible & deny the "JEALOUS CREATOR, u r the "misfit!"
are u that stubborn? I have provided u "that book" with more fufilled prophecies millions of times, u never listen!
Provide AGAIN w/an "ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECY" that is NOT IN BIBLE since there are "MORE!"
Prove I'm "STUBBORN!"
stubborn=having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude, hence proved/ hinc probatur.Read the 12 prime prophecies of Geeta each containing 9973 prophecies in the subset.
Can't Google. Tell me what they say & how fulfilled in this era!
I am nt your slave norine. Do it urself or forget it
"God" has caused bad weather here, power cuts for 36 hrs, your god is out of control, Norine. Tell him to get the climate organised or I will be suing him for damages. You are laughable Norine. And you too, K&T.
jonnycomelately, NW & K&T are in a class by themselves. They're QUITE UNIQUE ..........in a NEGATIVE way. Don't encourage them, they AREN'T happy people. If they were, they wouldn't act the way they do.
gmwilliams lol! You forgot your name but I will put it there ! NORINE, KT, GMWILLIAMS
Are a class of their own .
Now that's true ! lol, I am rolling you hp hubers keep me laughing but I love you.
GO: The "Burden of Proof" is on YOU! YOU STATED IT! OTHERWISE; u LIE!
K&T: Ignore "Ignorance" (Unbelievers)! "Resist the devil & he will flee" (Jm 4:7)!
Norine, if you can see the devil in me, there is no wonder you cannot ignore me.... must be some sort of fascination with the devil.
I never stalk you or your comments; therefore, it is proven there is fascination of GOD'S WORD from the devil! He constantly fulfills John 10:10 through whomever (you too Mr. Jony)! You should recognize him better than u are (spiritually)!
I, too, believe that Alan was spawned by satan
This is a bizarre exchange. I have not heard "spawn of devil" in a long time. I thought they only cooked up these notions for low cost movies. I definitely remember some suggesting Christ was of the devil.
Satan is spirit Eric! He enters "anyone" & is why we have to "put on the WHOLE ARMOR of GOD" (WORD) Eph6:11-18 to fight him! I ASK u to STUDY for knowledge & defense!
if you dont ignore the Chistian bashers like alan, g.o., etc they will not go away. if you stop feeding them they we go away. and of course their great facilitator eric feeds the fires too. just ignore and delete them
I like to do what WORD says "GIVE THEM TRUTH" (Lev 19:17) then the "Ball" is back in their court (Ezk 3:18)! 2Pet 2:21 "For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than after they know it, turn from it when delv'd
first of all Norine this is not a criminal trial so there is no 'burden of proof on me' secondly the Devil u keep talking about is mostly 'In ur head' maybe memmon,maybe even Balthazzar, AAmon, Agaliarept, botis are also in there somewhere.BEWARE!!
Let me repeat what I said of Jony: [GO] "MOCKS" GOD! SATAN n disguise & impregnated w/demons! The only x u "come out" is when TRUTH is coming forth & someone believes; then u come & "try" to prevent (Jn 10:10)!
READ IIKgs17:29-41! I pray
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Eva G says
FIRST one MUST "READ" ("STUDY" II Tim 2:15) in "chronological order" (Is 28:10) doing II Chrn 7:14 "THEN they "will hear fm heaven" ("revelation")!
Amen. Trust in d HS, avoid worrying or any stress, it may keep you unhealthy. Rebuke evil, Strive to be holy and remain happy, at peace with everyone, spread God's love. And KJOH (Keep Jesus in your hearts) forever.
Ed: Why do u keep "avoiding" TRUTH?
Have you READ Hebrews yet? If so, why do you think "I got this" like those in Matt 7:22?
Don't be "deceived" by "traditions & teachings!" Is the lost of your soul worth it?
Norine you have to humble yourself to what the 'word' says, Jesus has givens us the Holy Spirit, He is the truth in us as revealed to us by our spirit that connects to God. D more u question Him, d more u blaspheme d HS, an sin dt is not pardonable.
If u KNOW that why do u DENY HIS WORD by defying Hebrews w/eucharist? Where is this & trinity in Scripture?
U DON'T CARE what GOD SAYS?
If NOT = "LOST!"
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That raises a clear point. If someone can read the Bible as a Christian at 30 and come to one understanding and then again at 50 and have another understanding. Doesn't even an individual have different understanding.
IF u "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) & HE'S "leading & guiding," (Jn 14:26) how "wrong?" JESUS def: Jn 14:26 "in my NAME"=Holy Spirit; Yes "we need" (Jn14:6); Complete=(Jn19:30)! Eyes will be opened IF 1 "WAITS!"
HE "leads & guides into ALL TRUTH"(J
Amen Lucab May your heart of love open up to God in Christ n c His consuming light that reveals darkness fr ur soul. C d HS bring u 2 d lighted path where truth in ur spirit may see Christ's love for us all to d truness of r faith embodied in Christ.
Luca: We MUST first (Heb 6:1-3) "leave the principles of the doctrine of Christ & "go unto perfection" by AGREEING on "WHAT" The Gospel of Christ is!MOST don't know&when given,never heard of & refuse! Keep an open heart/mind & "Search
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Linda Lum says
Linda, some times you redirect me. What a pleasant connection we have. I have some insight to goodness that I did not know. I really like that. I think in a very positive way you have in a sense corrected me. How nice that is to have a friend.
Eric - I love the connection that you and I have found. I am your forever friend.
Linda: Have your pastor been filled with the Holy Ghost? I see you rely on "him" quite heavily! READ II Timothy 2:15! Not him but you!
Human Intelligence is not key to the right interpretation of the bible, humility and obedience to God, to His laws and words, comes our oneness with God, in the love for one another as we bear to carry our own cross in rejection of our 'true faith.'
Nope! Being anointed with the Holy Spirit Who "leads & guides us into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26;16:13) gives REVELATION; therefore, NO MISTAKES!
Mr. Tanglao, when people read and interpret the bible without intelligence, that is a major reason for religious nonsense on the part of fanatics.
I am a little worried people go overboard here. God created my intelligence Should I not use it? Arms, legs and a brain. Is man hateful to God? I think man is delightful to God -- don't make me cite scripture, you know I can.
Eric: Why do u thk u r more intelligent than GOD? "Unless u become as lil children" (Ignorant) & allow Holy Spirit, u r "prideful" & GOD HATES!
Yes, man is "hateful" (sinful) to GOD!
Give Scripture where GOD said use "YOUR brain?"
Alan n Eric many intelligent people lost n got defeated by those humbled by d Lord, d Spirit of d Lord was d humbled. Intelligence n talents r gifts fr D Lord, humbly use them to boast of D Lord not of 'self' or pride, d idolatry of d soul. Blessings
Point is, MOST don't believe the Holy Spirit can "lead & guide!" "The FOOLISHNESS of GOD is wiser than men" (I Cor 1:25) so why does anyone thk they are "wiser?"
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"They would've told us exactly what scripture means." Jesus didn't! Matt 13:10-13 "Those who do not have Holy Spirit cannot understand." Why HE asked us to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for "HELP" (Jn 14:26;16:13); otherwise, "interpretation" v "revelation!"
Norine, yes we need the Holy Spirit to understand; the HS most often works thru those who've been prepared. You've seen my other comments on this subject-you understand what I'm saying - the HS has few to work through right now, but that will change
RELIGION (Satan) has "detoured" MOST from TRUTH! "Taught" Paul just a man & DID NOT follow "Chain of Events" in Scripture never "WAITING" for HELP. Therefore, "lukewarm condition."
BUT God is gathering "HIS ARMY!"
If u have "ears," - "Hear!"
And so we come to this torment of the common man. Most of us poor slobs just do not get to work for years of labor understanding the nature of the HS. We are insane with the lack of connection with the HS?
In John 4:8, "The person who doesn't love does not know God, because God is love." If one cannot forgive, how can God forgive you, as in Matthews 6:15. Why divide from the 'cornerstone' rejected by d builders, are you rejecting Christ as you build?
Eric: Yes, "poor slobs" w/o Holy Spirit! IT IS WRITTEN! Acts 1:4 commanded us to "WAIT!" Otherwise, u "interpret" & miss "Chain of Events" REVEALED by HS!
Ed: If u don't follow Paul, u r "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
I didn't write IT!
Norine n those following d Protestant bibles need 2 know that what the gospel writers, dedicated scribes so divinely inspired by d HS r meant 2 guide d Christians w/In d true vine of faith, d Catholic Church as blessed by Jesus over St Peter (pope1)
R u saying you use another Bible? U don't have Acts & thereafter in It? If so, no wonder there is division! Do u not have the Book of Hebrews?
Put your hatred and intolerance aside. It's an embarrassment. Embrace the law of love promoted by JC not old brimestone law.
Oz: Do u live "AFTER THE DAY OF PENTECOST?" Have u been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38)! Then GOD says you are "under the law!" It's x u "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15) Scripture vs listening to "teachings" & going by "tradition!"
Oz: You are SATAN (Jn 8:44) himself!
No wonder you believe GOD is "love" only! I doubt if you even believe there's a GOD!
If u don't blv Gal 1:6-9 you're doomed or "ACCURSED!"
Keep feeding nonsense & now I see why!
Norine, either you have "lost the plot," or you are deliberately baiting everyone here in HubPages, simply to satisfy your sense of entertainment.
Which is it? Because you are obviously here fraudulently.
Norine, Should I delete your comment when you call someone Satan? I think I probably should, please give me a logical explanation why I should not rebuke you and delete all your comments. No scripture just reason.
Jon" "Lost the plot?" Did OZ not say stop "hatred" & I've ONLY given WORD? We r discussing "interpretation of WORD" rt? Satan!
Eric: If WORD calls Satan (which is ALL I have), then "delete" GOD'S WORD then HE (& we) will no who u serve (I Cor
So if someone deletes the great Norine's words -- then they are serving the devil? How about if we just delete them because they are written so poorly that they distort understanding. The way you preach the word is obnoxious. Not the Word - just you.
You call GOD'S WORD "norine's word?" HE sees you degrading HIS WORD bcuz I ONLY give HIS WORD!
Who am I but a vessel?
"The way u preach the word (GOD) is obnoxious. Not the Word - just you" I GIVE SCRIPTURE defy NOT GOD!
READ I Cor 11:6-31!
Norine and all who may believe they are Chritians, but came our from d vine of 'true faith,' (1 JN 5:8) nourished by God, this is a message from d HS, am just God's instrument, can only boast of The Lord. "Remain in me.. eat of my flesh n live"
You can thk "OF GOD," but if u disobey HIS commands, NOT!
Yes, "Eat of my flesh" which is HIS WORD not Holy Eucharist some man made wine and bread ("literally")! Did HE not say HE (WORD) was the bread & drink?
Why haven't u replied re:Hebrew
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Edwinoel Tanglao says
MY GOD! You UNDERSTAND! We MUST "WAIT" for HELP fm d Holy Spirit to connect to D SPIRIT for CORRECT "revelation" not "opinions!"
"But d spirit in us is perfect, our image in r spirit, has made possible r perfection in d flesh, as 1 body w Christ."
Amen, Norine and those who remain in Jesus, for the Kingdom of God is revealed in us by the HS. God has conquered the world through the shedding of the blood of Christ. We become one body with Him in our repentance of our sins, cleansed - blood.
Ed: But make VERY SURE u are living under the New Covenant in the Gospel of Christ as they did on the Day of Pentecost & thereafter or Gal 1:6-9! Paul's the New Covenant's "Moses!" LISTEN TO HIM!
Norine, d truth is in what is revealed to my by the HS. D Kingdom of God is w/in r heart of love, it's a glimpse of d new Israel, d Kingdom of God as d New Heaven d New earth. Open ur heart 2 Christ's words n feel d HS w holy ones, liv forever w Chri
Ed: YOU cont in "twisted" Catholic Faith! I live under New Covenant BELIEVING what HE DIED for "putting laws on hearts & minds" (Jer 31:33), "OBSERVING" apostles (Matt 28:20), "WAITING" for HELP (Acts 1:4), or "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
AFTER THE C
Catholic Church is pure evil with a lot of false doctrine. And filthy rich because of greed
KC: Amen! "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the GLORIOUS GOSPEL OF CHRIST, who is THE IMAGE OF GOD, should shine unto them!"
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Sandi Kroeger says
tolerance of incorrect scriptural teachings/beliefs is TOTALLY CONTRARY TO SCRIPTURE. incorrect understanding is to be exposed and corrected. there are to be NO DIVISIONS. divisions (denominations) are of man, not God
The point obviously is that who is correct? How does one man say what is right as opposed to another one. Assume they both have the Holy Spirit.
Holy Spirit does not tell 1 one thing & 1 another! It is 1's "measure of faith" in WORD that takes 1 higher & "openness" to chg "thinking" by STUDYING WORD to "see if Message given is so" (Acts 17:11)!
And that't your problem Eric, to assume both or even one would have the HS. The HS never guides one into false doctrine or TRADITIONS. Many confuse TRADITIONS for doctrine. Many believe traditions to be doctrine.
Sandi Norine Charlie Read John 14:15-31, the Advocate (HS) will reveal to d true believes what is true in their spirit, n what was taught by Jesus. In John 6, have life w Christ flesh, Roman 6, holiness n sanctification is in blood of Christ. Blsgs
If one gives WORD that's from Holy Spirit & not an "assumption!"
REMEMBER: IF NOT IN WORD, NOT FROM HOLY SPIRIT!
Norine you are saying that if it is not a quote from the Bible then it cannot be from the Holy Spirit? So what of a normal conversation while helping a homeless person with food and shelter?
Have you forgotten YOUR Q? "normal" "interpret" Bible to say they're right?" Normal to GOD isn't "normal" to man!
HS'S job to "reveal" not "interpret!"
READ I Cor 2:10-16 HS "reveals!"
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Sensible and to the point. Thank you.
And a warm welcome to HubPages, Lucy.
I like your answer. Well said
"...open minded and accepting of others?"
Did JESUS "accept other?" IT IS WRITTEN! TRUTH!
If It can't be verified in Scripture, Christians don't "accept others" ONLY HIS WRITTEN WORD!
Please, please, Norine, your personalised religious views need to take a back seat just for a moment. Let Lucy get a foot in the door at least. We know you but Lucy does't .... yet.
Thank you Alan and Erik. Not sure why I picked such a fiery topic to leave my first answer on!
Jon: It's your job not to tell TRUTH (Jn 8:44)!
Luc: U "picked this fiery topic" because GOD wants u to know TRUTH!
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Guilherme Radaeli says
That is a very interesting faith you have. I like it.
GR: Paul was JESUS talking & why "the greatest" (Acts 9:15 "vessel")! Yes we MUST "condemn another" (Lev19:17)! If one's belief is not in accordance with Gal 1:6-9="ACCURSED" & we MUST let them know; IF we love them!
I wonder if the Holy Spirit does not move on person one way and another person another. It stands to theological reason that we are all made individual and special in God's eyes. Certainly He would not treat all children the same.
We LIMIT the HS w/"our thinking" & why we "think" HS speaks to ea diff! IF WORD tells us Rm 15:6 "That ye may w/ONE MIND & ONE MOUTH glorify GOD..." then HS doesn't tell 1 one thg & another something else! Phil2:5
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Maggie Morgan says
"Comes from GOD, REAL GOD!"
I Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is "inspired by GOD..."
What remains true in our spirit that connects to the Spirit of God remains true in our being. Flesh and spirit is what we are made of, but the truth of our being is the spirit of truth, while our soul may suffer in sins, the light may save it.
Ed: NEVER forget what Christ DIED & gave us under New Covenant, "GRACE!"
Eph 2:8-9! GOOD NEWS! Too Good to BELIEVE? "...while our soul may suffer in sins, the light MAY save it."
"..I will remember their sin NO MORE" (Jer31:34;Heb 8:12;10:17)!
Hallelujah to The Lamb, Norine. Ephesians 2:6 'grace through FAITH,' is the emphasis. Grace fr God needs action of man in d love of God n of others (greatest commandments) through FAITH in Christ words n teaching. Boasting not of 'self' but of d LORD
Amen! On that we agree but not on "Trinity" or Holy Euch! FALSE DOCTRINE! "There is a way that SEEMETH RIGHT unto man!"
READ I Cor 10:14-22; 11:18-34 & HEBREWS!
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Mr. Happy says
Col 2:16 "Let no man judge u in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day." However, this has nothing to do w/SALVATION but "ordinances" (v20)! However for SALVATION "READ" Galatians 1:6-9 "ACCURSED!"
The Universal (Catholic in Greek) faith comes d true vine of faith, from where Protestantism w born.Pride in man over wealth n greed came about, but, things happen because they need 2 happen, as God's Div P, but condemnation is at d end, God judges.
Disciples of Christ "judge!"
GOOGLE "Is it Right to Judge?" All Scriptures say "we" judge!
Norine, you are free to judge your self and your actions. But you are NOT free to judge me or anyone else, by you book or any other criterion.
Because to judge you need to possess ALL the facts. And you are ignorant of many facts.
Not "ignorant" of HIS WORD as apparently you are which is ALL that matters!
All in your mind, Norine, even God ....
Well provide a book w/as many "accurate fulfilled" prophecies written BEFORE Bible then say GOD is "all in one's mind!"
Personal interpretation of the scriptures is what gets folk in trouble and leads them into spiritual error. Remember Jim Jones.... The Word has definite and clear guidelines to follow and definite things that we are to believe...Jesus is Lord!!!!
"Personal Interp" is sin (Prov 3:5)!HOLY SPIRIT "reveals" (Gal 1:12)!
Follow JESUS in "chronological order" for TRUTH! Born, Promised HS, DIED, asked us 2 "OBSERVE" disciples (Matt 28:20) & 2 "WAIT" for HS, sent HS,Spoke thru Paul (Acts 9:15) GR
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Michael Collins says
One MUST "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for SAME "revelation" from SAME ONE MINDED SPIRIT (Holy Spirit) to be "WITH ONE ACCORD!" Otherwise, 1K+ denominations with different "interpretations" v "revelation" from Holy Spirit!
Thanks for making my point...............I think?
NOPE! You misunderstand! W/O Holy Spirit one "interprets" which creates numerous beliefs when the Holy Spirit "reveals" & has ONE MIND, MIND BELIEF, & IS ONE SPIRIT (Eph 4:4-6)!
Anyone who possesses the Spirit of God has seen God's Kingdom in his heart of love. In Matthew 5:8, "Blessed are d pure in heart for they shall see God." All d 8 beatitudes lead 2 God's Kingdom for d Spirit of God makes one understand - light&t
Let me tell ALL what WORD says! Rm 12:3 "...according as GOD hath DEALTH to every man the MEASURE OF FAITH. Now, when WORD is given, inc FAITH, by STUDYING! I "plant seed" but ONLY GOD can GIVE INCREASE (I Cor 3:6)!
He who has "ears" let him "hear"
Norine, d word of God r forever active n alive, the Holy Spirit tells me, u cannot c d truth w ur mind, for d mind is of flesh, will perish when we die, but 'true faith' is in 1 John 5:6, true message fr d Sp of God is r cleansing fr Ch body n bld
Ed: I give HIS WORD but "only HE can give the inc!" It's up to one to "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15) "Search Scripture to see if so" (Acts 17:11)!
Michael to blaspheme the HS is to include Hus vessels of truth, what is true in our spirit. In 'true faith' may God's grace save you by d true words from d light dat will aquit condemnation from ur mouth. Evil is condemned by d HS, be saved b d blood
What u see as "Evil" (Is 5:20) is GOD'S WORD & bcuz of ur "traditions" can't "accept!"
Let go of "traditions" & "pride" & "accept" HIS WORD!
READ "HEBREWS!" CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!!!
"Catholic Faith" KILLS!
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WRONG! "Unless you commit to learning the history and languages, much of the Bible will not be known by you."
Do u really think man's intellect supersedes JESUS (Holy Spirit)?
If WORD says "HE would "LEAD & GUIDE US INTO "ALL" TRUTH" that's
In 1 Corinthians 1:19, "For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."" If wickedness n filthy are we, it is d holy n righteous who may see God's Kingdom. W God all things r possible.
"Holy" those who "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) for HELP from Holy Spirit!
"Lean not to your OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5)!
I hope all of you who have responded realize that you are proving my point. Knowing languages and history has nothing to do with intellect and everything to do with knowledge. Being too lazy to learn all you can says much about you.
"..with all thy getting get "understanding" (Prov 4:7)! It's too bad u don't BELIEVE JESUS (aka Holy Spirit) is GREATER than man's "getting" UNDERSTANDING! It's too bad u didn't WAIT for Holy Spirit to "reveal!" It's too bad you think you have more
Thanks Mike - the zealots only regurgitate what they're told. A book written by many men with many motives sounds more like a political handbook rather than a holy book, but that's just my opinion. History !!!
Then provide that "book" or you sound "ignorant!"
Excellently stated, Readmikenow. It is difficult to find those who are aware of the effort and challenge it takes to truly understand and translate these passages. People challenge the very methods which produced the translations they accept.
I'm sure you guys "believe" your "knowledge" is more than GOD'S (Holy Spirit) but I have a rude awakening for you. You are the creation while HE is the CREATOR! Since HE doesn't LIE & has said HE'D "lead & guide into ALL truth," who's the "f
Norine, since "God" is all in your mind, and you perceive all wisdom as coming from "God," I can see a problem.
Norine, your beliefs about God come from where? The Bible in front of you. You have a Bible in front of you because people translated it into English for you so you don't have to do it. You're welcome.
There's a DIFFERENCE in Spiritual v carnal! Until u guys mature to the "Spiritual" realm, u r as Atheist & we live in 2 diff worlds! The Holy Spirit (aka GOD) talks to 1 "personally" (crazy to u) & "reveals" ALL TRUTH! Unless u can relate
Norine,Charlie,Ron to 'believe in Jesus' means to have that 'true faith' by remaining in His Words; praying to d HS 4 His guidance, d HS reveals mucn.
Okay, interesting comments. You can't truly understand the Bible without knowing the history or understanding the languages it was written in, you're confused. Don't just repeat words. Know their history and how they were translated. Stop being lazy.
You (creation) stop being MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE than GOD (CREATOR) as in Rm 1:21-32!
Anything NOT "revealed" or "inspired" by Holy Spirit is "man" (Rm 3:4)!
"Lazy" of you not to SEEK HIM who has MORE KNOWLEDGE (I Cor 1:25)!
To truly know the Bible takes the revelation of the Holy Spirit...
(1Cor 2:14)But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
And who ever and what ever you are using the name of miller means nothing to me .just you . So it is vain you keep throwing this name out.
Jehovah and Jesus is the only name I am concerned about.
Wm Miller, Baptist man who estab JW in 1800's & LIED! U serve "man-made" doctrine & time u "mature" into TRUTH! U've been "brain-washed" by man (SATAN)! U thk there are 2 Spirit (beings) as Trinity blvrs do 3! ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)! TIME U "
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Interesting perspective. I see where you are coming from and it is worth thinking about.
why in the world would you want a mentor that does all sorts of unethical things? It sounds like his "enemies" as you call them, probably are correct and following scripture to expose and stay away from him as he WILL lead youastray.
"Unethical" is in eye of beholder! Hubbers believe I'm "unethical!" II Cor 11:6! TRUTH hurts!
If from Bible, you should ask the Holy Spirit to "guide you into TRUTH!" Listen, but "Search Scripture!"
If "hated by many ppl" GOD says OK (Jn 15:18)!
"Unethical" is in eye of beholder! I'm "uneth" to Hubbers since against their "TWISTED" beliefs! If WORD given, "Search Scripture" asking Holy Spirit to "lead & guide" to TRUTH! If "hated" must be right in sight of GOD (Jn 15:18)!
Eric GOD "SEES
Amen niko If the light is in you u will feel God's embrace. D HS will guide u to His light, to 'true faith' where u become 1 with God in Christ through God's covenant w us in His blood, d Holy Eucharist is meant 2 unite ol Christ blvrs 2 love n mercy
U are really "hung up" on "traditions" (Holy Euc)! There's NOTHING we can "DO" to receive Salv (Eph 2:8-9) "Lest any man should boast!"
CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL (GRACE) & HATES defiance of HIS WORD (I Cor 10:20; 11:20)! DO NOT EAT THE LORD'S SUPPE
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Really a good answer. And you are right the question can apply to all of life.
Joe: Are we not to "correct" our kids if we "LOVE?" Same w/believers! GOD (WORD) is RIGHT "ONLY" not me or u! "God commands" us to live "AFTER THE CROSS" or "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)! & I didn't write IT!
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Rachael Lefler says
You'd (since Holy Spirit is the ONLY HELP we have & u didn't mention HIS HELP) better try & figure out what Galatians 1:6-9 means (which I've been trying to tell ALL because Scripture doesn't LIE) or you will be an "ACCURSED" (what?) "Christi
Amen, Rachael, we can never be perfect in the flesh, but in spirit we strive to see perfection in Christ's righteousness. His blood shed for us comes God's covenant with us, His body and blood needs to cleanse our hearts and souls to feel His Spirit
Ed: Yes, "flesh" (Rm 8:8) strives but Spirit (Rm 3:22; 5:1-11) already "perfect" (Matt 5:48) IF "in Christ" (Rm 8:1;I Cor 6:17)!
Racheal, Eric n Norine, Protestantism is rebelling from 'true faith,' see corruption fr 1 John 5:8. Living in 'true faith' means staying in d true vine of faith. RCC leads all believes to d blood of Christ, it cleanses as we repent - pride is evil
The Romen Chatholic Church is pure garbage and evil. False doctrine through and throuugh.
ET I think you are a good spokesman for the Catholic faith. You are not an apologist. Do you believe that Satan created Protestantism?
kc: "There is a way that SEEMETH RIGHT unto man BUT the end thereof are THE WAYS OF DEATH!"
Ed: I pray you don't IGNORE HEBREWS for Satan II Cor 4:4 has "blinded you!"
KC it is not me.
"I do sometimes attend a Catholic service" YOU SAID THIS!
II Cor 6:17 "Come out from among them..." I tell you what's in WORD that you never take time to READ! Did u know It was there? You can't pls man - ONLY GOD but how when u don't READ?
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Ajax 2016 says
"Learn all u can to feed the soul" goes against THE CREATOR! READ Proverbs 3:5 "Lean NOT to "your own" understanding" but TRUST HIM to "lead & guide u into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26)!
This is an ALL SPIRITUAL journey!
Very interesting Ajax.
Eric, u DON'T CARE what SCRIPTURE says, do u? U keep thinking u r to "learn man" to confuse u w/what HE HAS SAID, don't u? U r a FOOL!Trash n=Trash out!Who can "withstand the knowledge of GOD" (aka HOLY SPIRIT)?
R u so "immature" in spirit to defy?
Norine I love it! I would like to feed your soul. In fact have you studied more than just the scripture? I ask you to study your religion across all disciplines. Biblical history is shocking. Add in social and political influence. Good reads.
Sure! Hrs toward Masters degree n "Theology!" So (Phil 3:8)?
"I BELIEVE" WORD! U don't (Prov 3:5)!
GOD told me to "got out of that mess" & do as HE SAYS! What about u?
Budda is a man made god. What can this god do for the future of death ? Nothing. What can it promise humans nothing ? Many gods exist but are a destaction to the most high and living Father who deserves our attention and time.
It is idol worship.
I keep trying to tell Manita that but he doesn't believe II Kgs 17:29-41 or the POWER of the Holy Spirit who will tell everyone ANYTHING about what has been added or deleted from Bible!
How can you feed something which doesn't exist? You can sharpen your perception of what is real & rational, versus what is unreal & irrational so you can select the things with a higher value to collect in your mindspace for you to build on .
How can you NOT provide a book with as many "accurate fulfilled prophecies" written BEFORE Bible? Please provide!
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The Examiner-1 says
"Christians" job to "judge!"
Apparently, you're not?
no one has the right to " Feel" good if they are scripturally wrong. follow scripture not man means to crucify your flesh, kill the natural man and become Spiritual man and then you have no need to feel special.
Charlie dictates misery. We must be enslaved. We are not good enough. Please excuse us Christians that love life.
For anyone to follow scripture so blindly and so unquestioningly, would be a travesty, refusing to use the brain for intelligent thinking. See you in Hell, Charlie?
Alan, do I have to check my brain at the door to be Christian? Charlie hates the "clergy hirelings" because they dictate thought to the masses, but then he turns around and tells me how to think. Is something for free more valuable?
eric & alan-- such childish false attacks from you two prove that your love cult is not of God. I have not tried to tell you what to think, just explained some scriptures correctly. but only HS filled Christians can understand
Norine, who said that it was Christians job to judge? I think that they should love God and believe in God and leave the final judgement up to Him.
Why don't u read Scripture I provide? Let 19:17 "REBUKE" Is 61:8 "GOD LOVES JUDGMENT!"
GOOGLE "Is it Right to Judge?"
God searches the hearts through the HS. Grammar n semantics are negligible in the eyes of God for He knows who u are. The 'word' of God is forever active n alive, may God bless u all that u may see God's light in u as u open ur heart 2 d Lord.
GOD has given WORD & told HIS to "judge" w/HIS WORD (Righteous judgment)!
U need not listen to "man made" doctrine (Catholic Faith) & listen to WORD!
Study the Book of Hebrews to see if "your belief" is right!
Matthew 12:37, Jesus said, "For by your words you will be acquitted, by your words you will be condemned." For indeed, the words of God are ever active and alive. It judges every thoughts and attitude of the heart.
Interesting concept. What does "word" translate back to Greek and Latin? What does word mean biblically? "A man of his word" means action. We forget that now in the PC world.
GREAT! I don't give "my word" BUT HIS=RIGHTEOUS! "Catholic Faith" told u not to "judge?" Google "Is It Right to Judge?" & see GOD'S WORDS! HE LOVES JUDGMENT & needs to "open the EYES of your heart" (Eph 1:18) to leave "TRADITION!"
Norine, I have 30 email alerts about you. You just cannot act like you are not frivolous -- you are. You are like a bad FB friend. Too much and Too often. Take a chill pill and actually use short sentences to say what you mean.
Eric: MUST BE talking like JESUS! They called HIM a "Blasphemer!" TRUTH doesn't want to be heard! WORD says so! That should tell u something! When doesn't want to be heard, Satan has WON!
ALL should LISTEN & "STUDY" WORD for SALVATION!
norine/eric- you two are much alike, both have a single doctrine that you push. difference is the lawyer knows how to stroke the silly sheep and not upset them. instead of the full Gospel you each concentrate on a small portion. all is needed
Charlie: Give WORD or just "your opinion"=NOTHING! I give WORD! You have "itching ears" & refuse WORD (TRUTH)! Against what u & "friends" dreamed up so u "attack!" U can't chg Scripture! ONE SPIRIT "sons & DAUGHTERS will prophecy" & B
Charlie that is an interesting concept. Makes me think. I think I do get wrapped up in "‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself". But the Spirit seems to tell me that is my purpose. I appreciate yours also.
noreen/eric Part two-- A partatl Gospel is NOT THE Gospel, it is only one piece and ALL of it has to be understood
Well, you better "hope" Gal 1:6-9 LIED because IT clearly states "If ANYONE preach any other GOSPEL, let him be "ACCURSED!" 2X's! It's in WORD! U have half! Just "spin off" fm "Trinity" Father & Son when HE SAID "ONE SPIRIT" (I Cor 12)!
I have never been acquainted with someone who claimed to understand all of the Word. I just assumed they would have to be in a "heaven" concept - Angel? I understand some Clergy claim to understand all. Enlighten me Charlie.
eric- i have NEVER said I know it ALL. but I do know the scripture very well as I have devoted most of y adult life to learn with the help of the HS, taught by HS only never looked at mans doctines until I believed I had the mind of God on subject
Cool. I come another way. Religion as mother's milk. College learning and being a preacher to round out my path. Then questioning the structure. Questioning hirelings and liturgy. The only thing I find unquestionable is Matt 22
Think u found "CliffsNotes" to heaven Eric? WRONG! Lazy rascal!
Matt 22:37 means "Feed my sheep if u love me" (w/WORD) in Jn 21:17! YOU FAILED!
(V39) "Love neighbor as thyself!" Lev 19:17 "REBUKE brother in sin" (w/WORD)! YOU FAILED AGAIN!
eric -- I dont get what you mean Matt 22? vs?
Charlie I really don't like taking things out of context or quoting a specific - I do it but do not care for it. But I was getting at 36-40
What I like about u Eric, U r HONEST! Ur belief is "twisted" but you're faithful!
You can't use "CliffsNotes" w/WORD! U MUST "STUDY" in chrono order to move into current dispensation! Gospels under LAW & we r no longer there! We live AFTER Acts!
eric- i think what is causing you ? with those verses is that Jesus had not died yet so they were still under the LAW at that point. bible error. NT begins after Jesus death . Mat 27:45 0r resurrection . fully in place acts 2 when HS given
Charlie is RIGHT! We live "AFTER" the Day of Pentecost & is why I say he has half right! Tradition(s), male pride & ego prevents other half!
Humility is HARD for men!
Norine it's d 'word' to acquit us and 'word' that we use to condemn us, for d 'word' of God in Christ will condemn us if we refuse to believe. 2 fully underst'd scriptures, needs 2 c Christ in Him, yes, d Sp of God in Him, d HS's gift comes unders'tg
Yes Ed & I'm using The Book of Hebrews (WORD) to condemn the FALSE DOCTRINE of the Holy Eucharist!
Say IT isn't so?
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Kathleen Cochran says
Kathleen, I like that comment, it reminds me that the real basis of Christianity is not dogma or doctrine but rather our personal relationship. And it would not be personal if all were exactly the same.
"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus" (Phil 2:5)! What does this mean, "love?" NOPE! "ALL" WORD is GOD'S MIND! HE says the same to "ALL!" Either we "interpret" or allow HS do HIS job! WORD (HS) doesn't "disagree" w/SELF!
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Tamara Wilhite says
Yes, Matt 7:1 says (YOU) "Judge not..." but GOD loves "judgment" (Isaiah 61:8)! We judge when not in WORD & should ONLY judge w/WORD; then not us judging but GOD! How else can u LOVE your neighbor (Lev 19:17)?
Judgement is in the word of God itself, for the word is active and alive, it remains to judge us accordingly in our ways, as in Matthew 12:37, Jesus said, "For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
Why I don't use "my words" to REBUKE or JUDGE, but GOD'S; therefore, IT is GOD "judging!"
noreen-- it time to take your meds and relax for a while. your attacks have rendered you of no value in a Christian debate.
Charlie - It seems you've "overdosed" on yours or you would have clearer "understanding!" Or is it you lack Something else?
Charlie and Norine, go share an apartment together for 12 months. See if all your Christmases might come at once. You might both become enlightened.
We already share the same "Apartment" in many areas! Too bad you're out there "in the cold!"
Tamara see how Saint Peter loved Jesus. He messed up and sinned but Jesus knows him, as He knows us, what is inside of us. If you love Jesus He knows. The HS searches the hearts to see the attitude of men. We can't hide anything fr d HS -Divine Plan
Ed: TRUE! BUT you MUST believe ALL of HIS WORD!
Have you read the Book of Hebrews yet where there are no more "rituals & sacrifices" for Christ HAS DONE IT ALL & "ANYTHING" we DO underminds HIS DEATH? No More Communion for HE is the BREAD
tamara- you do not understand. the OT was given ONLY to the jews, no part was given to us. the NT is a brand new covenant given to whosoever will meet it requirements. NONE of the OT survives, jesus FULFILLED it ALL. ONLY UNCONVERTED JEWS ACCEPT
Matthew 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Rich, isn't that saying that when Christ has accomplished his task on earth?
I will go back and read the chapter again.
"until heaven and earth disappear" "everything is accomplished"
These things have not happened yet.
RICH-YOU NEED TO READ & UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. Matt 5:18-19 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.JESUS FULFILLED IT ALL, IT IS FINISHED/DO
Mat 5:19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
RICH- the NT did not begin until Jesus death. They were under the OT at MT 5:19.. The bible is divided wrong the NT begins MT 27:45. at that point the OT was fulfilled and done.
Charlie is RIGHT, Rich! But IT goes "deeper!"
The world is blind! Paul was chosen as JESUS' "vessel" to cont for HIM or Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16 LIED!
"Pauline Doctrine" is what Satan has used to TWIST "TRUTH" to gain souls!
Hose 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.
rich- apparently you are not open to understanding OT vs NT. The OT law says within itself that it to the jews and that it is temporary and that Jesus will institute a new and permanent covenant to last forever. no sense in going on in this.
Celafoe, does Scripture say we should let one continue in TWISTED Doctrine or "PROVE" w/WORD where he's wrong?
Although from past experience w/HUBBERS, they DON'T CARE "what" IS WRITTEN!
Revelation 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
Rich: TRUTH is given & u are facetious?
Study New Testament (Acts forward) where we CURRENTLY live which is under GRACE & TRUTH!
1John 5:2-3 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
2John 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
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AGAIN JESUS SAID "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HELP (Jn 14:26;16:13) fm the Holy Spirit to be w/TRUTH (JESUS aka GOD) Who has 1 Mind & IS 1 SPIRIT (I Cor 12)!
Now if we "... just read the Bible for yourself and think on it"=interpretation=diff beliefs!
Help me out here with these three on wisdom: Pro. 4:7, ECC 1:18, 1 Cor. 1:19 .
And tell me what the Bible says is wrong. Try not to twist it. Try not to "interpret". I will listen to a fellow.
Pro 4:7 see 1:7 ;; in fact for all 3 see prov 1:7. I believe Its about what real wisdom is, not man;s wisdom. of course more wisdom, more knowledge and you will see disturbing things you would not have recognized
true wisdom comes fm God
Divine as opposed to organic?
E: Prov 3:5 "NOT UR OWN UNDERSTANDING" Prov 4:7 "LEARN, BUT LET "HS" REVEAL="UNDERSTANDING!" Ecc 1:18 INC "WISDOM" N WORD means "I die daily!" INC in world takes belief fm GOD! I Cor 1:19 WORD makes 1 "die daily" destroys man's wisdom! Rm Limited
Amen erinshelby. Many people wants to hide from the truth, but truth, keeps our inner being happy, at peace with The Lord, for there is nothing so great than being with the Good Shepherd, He is complete with everything, as Divine Healer/Mercy n more.
Have you READ the Book of Hebrews yet? If not, it's true, " Many people wants to hide from the truth,"
Why haven't you READ? Condemns too many of "Catholic Faith's" rituals, sacrifices, "dead works?"
Eric Proverbs 4:7 tells us of 'divine wisdom' d great'r Wisdom frm d HS, where 'divine logic' emanates, 'word' of God is; ECC 1:18 n 1 Cor 1:19 tells us of human wisdom, frm ol things passing w Brain dat perish w d flesh; but w God/HS - grt'r Wisdom
Ed: You can "evade" Hebrews if you like (choice), but ONLY "shows" you are not "IN CHRIST!"
"ALL SCRIPTURE" is inspired by GOD..." (II Tim 3:16) & to be obeyed! We can't leave Hebrews out! Right?
norine-- 2 questions---does your husband know what you do on here? do you have his approval?
Hasn't disconnected the internet yet and he pays the bills!
How should I take that? Woman preacher?
If so, better READ Gal 3:28 "no male or female IN CHRIST JESUS!"
You out or "in?"
Nor: If David says in the psalms "hate your enemies" but Jesus says to "love your enemies" which scripture do I obey if you say all scripture must be obeyed-psalm26:5, Matt5:43,44. Interpretation is required to understand old & new covenant
U speak as if Matthew is not under OT! Matt, Mk, Lk & John are under LAW (Gal 4:4)! When one is ANOINTED w/Holy Spirit; he loves ALL & desires NONE LOST! When an unbeliever, he HATES GOD & I "hate them" (their thinking) but "Bless them" (
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But you hear!
But do you think that Holy Spirit treats us and teaches us all the same, or it is not the Holy Spirit?
There comes a time when we stop 'spoon feeding' our kids. I think the HS does the same, he gives us the basics but once past that he allows us to figure some things out!
Those are my thoughts.
Eric: Yes, we are to be of the SAME MIND "if" IN CHRIST JESUS! The Holy Spirit will not tell one something diff fm another! He is ONE Spirit w/SAME MIND (I Cor 1:10Phil 2:5)! READ!
Law: Not True!
Heb 13:5 "I will never leave you are forsake you!
So Norine you think that being of one mind means we literally all think the same?
Eric, if you would READ vs "talking," you would see, GOD is a ONE MINDED SPIRIT! IF He's in you, you have the SAME MIND (Phil 2:5)! He didn't say "let this mind be in Norine & another in Eric!"
Reprimand is obviously the Order of the Day here.
Jon: YOU still letting that "thing" (demon) control u? Grow up! Take YOUR LIFE back! YOU should display control, not him! Or do u like being about "your father's" business (Jn 8:44)? It appears u do since u "stalk" me everywhere I go!
Peace, Norine. I don't manage to get a trip to the theater these days, I live too far out of town. But following yourself is as good as, if not better than, going to see a comedy show. It's just a matter of finding out where you perform.
Wow Norine you help prove evolution. This is clearly Neanderthal: He didn't say "let this mind be in Norine & another in Eric!"
Rest assured your mind is not in mine.
That's because you don't care what's in WORD and just pick out all the "love" Scriptures! If GOD only "loves," why is there a hell or lake of fire? To keep you warm with all of that "love?"
Jon: (Satan) Not worth response!
Again Eric/KC, Matthew 5:8 tells us how d Holy Spirit may reveal Himself 2 us through Christ. No malice, no pride, nothing evil or accursed may corrupt our minds, for in God's Kingdom comes d everlasting light, nothing accursed may enter- pure n holy
Ed: Follow the "Chain of Events" in Scripture which shows we CURRENTLY live under New Covenant & should "OBSERVE" disciples (Matt 28:20) for SALVATION!
Otherwise, Gal 1:6-9 applies "ACCURSED!"
"STUDY" (II Tim 2:15) asking Holy Spirit for "rev
Norine, as we pray for one another, see the Spirit of love in ur heart, events that happen r history, made meaningless ov time. See d signs fr God in r Sp of truth, fr images in d heavens we c window of r sp, in rev n 'divine logic' we best know
Ed: "events that happen r history?" Not in JESUS! HS "reveals" understanding in HIS WORD-SAME MIND/W/SAME TRUTH! "Catholic Faith" errs! NEW COVENANT in effect! Sent HS (POWER;Acts 1:8) to HELP us become ONE MIND following disciples (Matt 28:20)!
Norine/Lois, you are so rude to people. Is that how you suppose your Idol Jesus would have addressed people?
TRUTH is LOVE!
Why don't you READ how HE displayed LOVE (Matthew 21:12-13)! At least I've not become "physical" rather give TRUTH w/HIS WORD which "cuts" (Heb 4:12)!
In the light of Eric's original question here, he is asking about a "normal human." Can you answer the question honestly regarding yourself, Lois?
Amen KC God bless ur ways to d lighted path, where truth in the covenant of God is in d blood of Christ, it cleanses d soul n may reveal in u the truth in God's words with Christ in you. 'Thy will be done thy Kingdom come on earth as is is in heaven'
Ed: The "Holy Spirit" would NOT tell you to "IGNORE" HIS WORD (Hebrews)! Then why do you think you're "IN CHRIST" & DENY HIS WORD? We have to BELIEVE "ALL" not just "cherry pick" for FALSE DOCTRINE! I Cor 10:20;11:20!
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awais nazir says
Welcome to HubPages, awais nazir. But can I ask you one question -
"Is your mind closed to any further understanding?"
I Corinthians 10:21!
Is we based our judgement and interpretation of the bible on history, we are lost. For history is but changing and becomes imperfect over time. But the 'word' remains perfect as Jesus is as perfect as God can be perfect and true, in His love for us
Is "Catholic Faith" according to Scripture?
Read Hebrews 7, 8, 9...!
Yes Nor/A/Na. The Catholic Faith is d true faith n d true vine of faith leading to God's heavenly Kingdom. Being imperfect in the flesh comes our cleansing in Purgatory (Eucharist/Faith) in this life or d next, for God's love n mercy is everlasting.
Ed; Does the "Catholic Faith" abide by the Book of Hebrews?
If not, their doctrine is not of GOD!
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Angele Parris says
Dear heart, when 1 "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for the Holy Spirit to "reveal" Scripture, he CAN"T BE WRONG for Holy Spirit is JESUS Who does NOT LIE (Numbers 23:19)!
Read I Thessalonians 4:13-18 to see where we go when we die!
That is a great answer -- much to think about. Thank you
Thank you Norine
You're welcome Angele! Have a Blessed night!
For the corrupt, the asleep in the grave will never arise for their souls remain corrupted, it is their soul that may suffer, but the truth remains in the spirit of man, man may be redeemed if he repents and change to being godly in his ways.
"man may be redeemed if he repents and change to being godly in his ways."
Amen, Norine/AP, to those who are in d true vine of faith, even though we die, we live, for we remain in Christ's words. All those in d vine pray for one another for they love n bear with 1 another, lifting each other up for we have loved in truth.
But we MUST BE "IN CHRIST" doing as HE said (Matt 28:20) "OBSERVE" the apostles under New Covenant. Follow Paul or Gal 1:6-9 "ACCURSED!" Moses Messenger of Old Cov (Laws); Paul Messenger New Cov (Grace)!
Follow "Chain of Events" in WORD or "ACCURSE
Two reasons Norine that I delete you. You drive people away and you call people names. Neither one is appreciated on my writings. Sorry but I have not drank of your offered kool aid. I do not think you speak for God and I believe you are delusional.
See how u responded to Q re: Religion v Spiritual & were in agreement w/others w/spirits NOT OF GOD? U continue!
I don't "delete" your "twisted" delusional beliefs but "PROVE" wrong w/WORD! Aren't u man enough in Christ to do the same?
Perhaps you are getting to the point where you do not irritate anyone you engage with -- they just ignore you. Me I just delete you when you are in my space. Do what you want in yours.
2 Pet 2:21-22 ""For it had been better for them not to have known the way...,than, after they have known it, to turn fm the holy commandment delv' unto them..."The dog is turned to his own vomit again:& the sow that washed to the wallowing in mir
See? GOD'S WORD is "boring" to you! Why you are LOST! You don't care what HE SAID!
"FOOL!" Know tell me one that doesn't believe isn't a "FOOL?"
Heb 3:19 "So they could not enter in because of "unbelief!"
Norine have you ever been checked out regarding being manic? It kind of fits in with you and maybe you could find some help. Of course you might have to give up hearing voices.
You need Help! A psychiatrist won't help you! I majored in Psychology & can recognize all signs & u r one of "unbelief!" "So they could not enter because of "unbelief!"
You better stop worrying about me & start STUDYING Scripture!
Sorry Jonny but you are asking the wrong person responsible for your problems
Man has failed again and you blame him and tell him to fix the error of humans.
The sun , the moon the stars are faithful ! They are working now lol!
K&T: Answer! Why does GOD SAY in Is 48:12 "I am the 1st & last" & JESUS SAY in Rev 1:11 "I am the 1st & last" if not SAME SPIRIT?
Girl, stop letting those ppl fool u! JESUS is GOD!
Norine if you spoke hebrew and Greek
And used a bible before kj translation you would not be asking that question.
You are limited in your reseach and bible.
Since u r "proficient" in Hebrew & Greek (as if it matters) ANSWER!
It is very curious that a person that only follows some of the new 200 versions of the Bible and knows nothing of the Council of Nicea is certain that her Bible translation is from God. Unbelievable.
Norine I stand corrected I thought you would never ask. Thank you!
First in understanding any word you must reconize its letters an how and when used I will post you a hub to your question and why it makes a diffence give me a few days .I in school.
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Spot on celafoe.
"...even one that is born again cannot correctly understand scripture."
Proof is in the pudding!
As one is baptized in the true vine of faith, we have already died with Christ with d Holy Spirit building our faith as we open our hearts 2 Him, that He may fill our hearts with God's love as we remain in Christ's words. Again, division is Satan's
NEW REVELATION! Listen celafoe! GOD has "revealed" Paul is the New Covenant "Moses!" Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ, the same yesterday today & forever!" I tried to email u, but computer didn't allow! I have gift of prophecy in which Scripture "reveale
norine-- sorry but I do not trust what you say unless the HolySpirit confirms it, so far no go. i can see nothing to do with Paul in the verse you quote
Didn't HE use Moses as "a vessel" when HE gave 10 Commandments? The same w/Paul (Acts 9:15) when HE gave "The Gospel of Christ" which is GRACE! That's why HE is "the same yesterday, today & forever" (Heb 13:8)!.
He who has "ears," let him "hear!"
Norine Mary is never worship in d Catholic Faith. It's evil n darkness in people who believe in this for they devide d church of 'true faith,' blessed by d blood of Christ. Mary is an elect of God to b d mother of Christ. Truth in ur spirit reveals
Ed; Why "hail" Mary? That's EVIL!
GOD "...will NOT share HIS Glory" (Is 42:8)!
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Matthew Woolsey says
I agree w/1st para & disagree w/other! Your mom is biblically right!
There is "rt way & wrong way" or no heaven & hell!
"True Christians" were told to "REBUKE" (Lev 19:17) & Judge (I Pet 4:17+MORE)!
Sister errs (Rm 1:21-32)!
Matthew, rather, evil n darkness has caused man to sin, because of pride, many think they are gods just as Adam n Eve thought dey can be gods. How can we outsmart Satan? By remaining in Him, remaining in His light, love n forgiveness w bdy/blood Euch
And I say stop calling the love of one person for another a "Sin." You are all obsessed with that notion of evil and the ideas of "original sin." That is utter, utter rubbish. You are all self-deceiving. Your god is in your mind. A sick mind.
Ed: Only person displaying "pride" here is you by not READING Book of Hebrews! Afraid?
Jon: And I guess you have the ONLY "well mind?" I'm OK, but..?
GOD'S WORD is the ONLY Word RIGHT on HP, not mine, yours or others, BUT GOD!
Norine Hebrews book tells us of d 'word' of God. "Heaven n earth will pass away but my words will never pass away," - Jesus. If u believe that Jesus' Spirit is in you, the light (HS) will guide u to what is true, the 'word' is always true- true faith
An interesting exchange of "my way is the only right way". Seems like both of you are causing a division.
Eric: GOD'S WAY (WORD)! Remember that (Matt 10:34)!
Ed: Can't u read? Why Deny the WORD OF GOD? "Catholic Faith" more important than "WORD?"
Attacking someone for their way of worshiping just seems so opposed to living Christ like. How come in revelation there are seven churches. Why does Paul write to each church differently.
That's what u've been "taught" but WORD diff! Lev 19:17! Seven Churches in Rev "diff locations" but ONE CHURCH w/SAME MIND although sinning w/in most!
Not Paul speaking in Revelation, but JESUS through JOHN!
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I have heard this train of thought many many times. It is interesting. I think sometimes goes like the issue here. "There is only one right way to have spirituality". But I am guilty of escaping from the day to day into the realm of spirituality.
This: Spoken like a true "unbeliever!" If no GOD w/WORD (Bible), provide another book that has a many accurate fulfilled prophecies written before Bible?
Eric: READ those Scriptures re: "Judging" to stop sounding IGNORANT or u deny HIS WORD!
Just checking to see if my posts are going through. Some are suddenly missing.
You know why don't you (Job 1:7; Jn 10:10)?
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Cynthia Haltom says
Matt 16:17 "No one has "REVEALED" this to you but the Father" (Holy Spirit)! Man's "interpretations" have created 1K+ diff denominations!
It's not a "personal thing," but a ONE MINDED SPIRIT Thing according to WORD!
Satan has deceived!
Norine show us this marvelous scripture that we all must think alike. And don't let it be "one minded" because that means in love with each other.
I wish you would READ Scriptures I give! I REPEAT enough as it is! I Cor 12 is not talking about "love" but THE ONE SPIRIT of CHRIST'S (v12) BODY Who has MANY members ("GLORIES")!
Have you ever heard "WITH ONE ACCORD?" Goggle it! Out of room!
Norine all scripture everywhere is talking about the love. Otherwise you are reading it wrong. Matthew 22: 40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Christ could not be more clear.
Norine, you responses continue to appear as angry, self-opinionated, arrogant and intolerant.
Just try closing that book of yours, just for a moment. There is a wider world for your enjoyment.
We miss the juice of life in the everyday and we lose perspective. Please enjoy the flower for a moment and then move on to relationships. And then get back to the Bible.
Eric: The 1st One "Love the Lord thy God with...." Did He not ask Peter "If u love me, feed my sheep?" Well, where's your "love" for Him? Where's WORD to "feed His sheep?" You've missed that 1! 2nd: "Love thy neighbor as thyself" Lev 19:17! Miss 2
Aimless looking for answers in the written word instead of the heart.
Jn 1:1 "In the beginning the WORD was with GOD & the WORD "WAS GOD!" What are u, SATAN? If the WORD is GOD & u don't wish to KNOW IT, or "love" HIM, U ARE SATAN!
I Cor 10:21 says "U can't serve 2 masters!" So, who do u serve but SATAN!
NAB leads 2 d vine of true faith. Others may remain corrupted w changed words to adhere to corruption of man in MAMMON, the false God. Eg, 'holiness' from Romans 6:19 and Romans 6:22 is 'sanctified' in NAB, in d blood of Christ-cleansing-Eucharist
Where's this Eucharist in Scripture?
Have you read the Book of Hebrews?
One cannot be "in Christ" unless we do as HE says not MAMMON!
Norine blasphemy to the Holy Spirit is unforgivable, it extends to generations of sins, hope - cleansing by d blood of Christ n by spreading what's true in d gospel. Blessings in the light of truth
Ed: YOU LIE on "THE HOLY SPIRIT" (aka Jesus) if you say HE mentions Holy Eucharist in WORD! READ Hebrews! HE'S done it ALL! No more "rituals" & "sacrifices!" Exd 20:3 "Worshiping Mary?" YOU BLASPHEME against "THE HOLY SPIRIT!"
Norine Be truthful 2 your spirit of love within ur heart, Mary has d Spirit of Wisdom, as in Proverbs 9:1-6, if d Spirit of God is in you, He will make u understand, pray to be guided, surrender your pride n ol things material, be set free in d light
You are "SICK" in your "traditions" of "rituals" & "sacrifices" (Heb 9:14) which are NOTHING but "dead works!" Christ DIED in vain (Gal 2:21) as far as the "Catholic Faith" is concerned!
Why don't u READ Hebrews or are you "AFRAID OF TRUTH?"
Eric, you have made some excellent comments and responses in this particular thread. I especially liked, "Aimless looking for answers in the written word instead of the heart." Jesus would approve, in my opinion.
WORD begs to differ! Stop using "your opinion" vs WORD!
Eric is teaching Hubbers wrong!
You trust "your heart" more than the WORD of GOD?
Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful ABOVE ALL THINGS, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
Norine, all of what is written here is opinion. You call yours revelation from God, but it is merely your opinion on which you place far too high a value. Some of us argue with you solely because we refuse to surrender the HP forums to such as you.
They didn't & still don't "surrender" to JESUS either!
Why does HE tell me thgs I haven't read n Bible then "guide" me to Scripture? I've been telling ALL Paul was n JESUS' stead; & this wk found Acts 1:2! Explain!
No one "taught!" I just
Norine, you aren't the only one who prays, reads the Bible and has insights as a result. I'm glad it works for you. But you consider yourself to be the judge of the rightness or wrongness of another's insights. This is not godliness, it is arrogance.
That's where u're wrong! I don't judge! I tell what GOD SAID by using HIS WORD! I can "prove" w/WORD my belief! Can they? Do they give WORD? Look how long u've been talking & no WORD! GOD SAYS what I write & believe!
READ my HUB re: Paul BE
Norine, Do you think there is a way for you to communicate your insights into scripture that would encourage people to listen rather than causing them not to listen? I'm sure you have important things to say, but people put up defenses to your style.
"And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew people all these words, & they shall say, "Wherefore hath the LORD pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin..."(Jer 16:10-20)!
IDK how, Bible open here
Matthew 4:25 "there followed him great multitudes...from Galilee...from Decapolis...from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan." I don't mean to he rude, Norine, but when Jesus spoke, the crowds came. When you speak, they run away.
We have become a nation of "itching ears" (2Tim 4:3)! Heb 4:12 says WORD "cuts!" Who loves that? We worship God but don't "humble" ourselves (2Chron 7:14)! If WORD interferes w/our desires, called "hateful!" Read 2Kgs 17:29-41;serve our own god!
Jonah 4:1-"But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry." The kindness of God toward sinful men caused the prophet to be bitter. God cured the bitter heart of Jonah who could speak only judgment.
Jonah "disobeyed!" I give WORD!
Re:"Christians" running: Heb 12:9;11!
Norine, you are Jonah. He was angry at sinful men for not repenting. When they did, he was bitter. You are angry at fellow believers who have already repented and walk with God. Are you bitter that God has not judged them according to your standard?
If one does not live under New Covenant (what JESUS died for) how do they "walk w/GOD?"
I'm angry bcuz they deny JESUS speaking thru Paul under NC, deny POWER of Holy Spirit, deny "Grace" (Rm 8:1), deny ONE SPIRIT, deny Acts 2:38;42, deny Heb 7,8,9
No one denied these things. Only you see denial. Jonah had to learn a lesson at the end of chapter 4. He loved things more than he loved people. You love your finely tuned beliefs more than you care about your fellow believers. Shame on you, Norine.
If u have child, would u not tell him FIRE BURNS? That's LOVE! So it is w/me! I give WORD (TRUTH) & tell ALL Gal 1:6-9="ACCURSED!" That's LOVE!
Shame on you for not doing same!
haha, shame on us both. Me for falling short of your expectations. You for not understanding Jonah.
FOOL! Shame on you for not believing what JESUS died for "The Gospel of Christ" (GRACE) under the New Covenant & not understanding "GOD" has Mercy on whom HE pleases!Jonah was but a "vessel" who (as u&I) can fall short if we don't accept HE'S
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gaurav oberoi says
What happened to the "WORKS" of the Holy Spirit? Is HE (GOD) not in your RELIGION?
hello Norine. I knew you would sneak your way in! Anyway, read carefully before you comment.
gAberoi , your defention is ok for you.
But evidence proves different , the bible is not of human content even tnough humans were used like secretaries to write the Heavenly Father thoughts.
The moon ,stars ,animals are named in the bible are real
go- in looking ar your profile it shows you are nt a Christian so anything you say has NO VALUE to Christians and is out of place here. Your comment certainly does not pass the scripture test. Also=NO book is holy the contets may be but not book
GO: I rest my case! These believers are looking w/the eyes of a Christian (although FAITH needs increase)!
Happy 4th guys! Read my Happy 4th HUB!
Gaurav, what an interesting comment. I always like a comparative religion perspective. There is so much to learn in this world. Thank you for your enlightening comment.
Kiss&Tales:Definition of what?+What U say about Bible is exactly What the Hindus say about Geeta.But the point being raised is about 'interpretation' of humans. CHARLIE:Not a Christian? Really?That's the reason to disqualify someone's views?
go-- on a supposed Christian discussion ABSOLUTELY YES.
Thanks Eric!! I appreciate your point of view.
There is that pesky - "only I am right" problem again. Interesting how it comes up on a question like this one. Interesting if a non-Christian believes exactly what a Christian believes about a given scripture is the non still wrong?
Exactly my point Eric!!
Guarav once you open your heart and soul to d HS, that's when u may experience a revelation from d HS dt we need to live in spirit, not ruled by d flesh, to see d correct interpretation from
one who possesses d Spirit of God, Gal 5:1, 13-18.
Eric, when u welcome other gods, u worship 2! Same w/"Christianity!" If u believe any doctrine but "AFTER THE CROSS," you worship other god (Gal 1:6-9)! WORD "MUST BE" - "RIGHTLY DIVIDED!"
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Kiss andTales says
What an interesting answer. I think this says much "Also who is it that establish what is normal what is not under who's standards?" I think that your groups comes under a lot attacks. So I value your opinion in this matter.
When 1 doesn't "WAIT" for HELP fm HS, they say ANYTHING! We don't interpret, HS "reveal" or Jn 14:26 LIED IT said HE would "lead & guide into ALL truth" NOT "you" (man)! When u "WAIT," NOT WRONG otherwise "ignorant interpretations" & Matt 7:2
Did Jesus come under attack ? Yes he certainly did and his disciples Notice this is a certain mark of the truth.2 Cor 6:4-7 says what truthful speech is about.John 15:20 we get theses results as you mention.
Math5:11 says it happen
From the ROCK of true faith, d true church of Chriatianity came several Protestant sects, rebelling fr d RCC blessed by Jesus where St Peter was d first pope, n d apostles following suit. D HS remained d guide, faith as shield n d 'word' as 'sword.'
Did the ROCK consider the Book of Hebrews or just decided to overlook that One since It interfered with "established" (man made) "interpretations?"
Hebrews tells us Jesus is d 'word' of God, Norine. It follows through with 'true faith' where d 3 elements of faith r complete w RCC but nevr in many Prot. Sects. Luth. n Anglicans see d light, nw gvs d 3 elem. as '1 accord' of valu 2 salv. FAITH V
The Romen Chatholic church is corrupt.
STOP "pretending" u don't know what Hebrews is saying so you can remain in the "DEAD WORKS" of the Catholic Faith which will KILL you!
CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL! NO MORE RITUALS & SACRIFICES!
You will deny yourself into HELL!
I figure as each man loves differently so may he love God differently. This notion that we all must believe the same way would suggest that God made us each identical. Just plain not true.
Jesus has only one standard, of righteousness and forgiveness through 'true faith' in love and light. We need to go bak 2 our true self, in the image n likeness of God who created us, through His precious blood we need partake. Blessings 2 all.
Doesn't the Catholic Church teach tolerance of those of different faith?
Ed: Why DIE in "tradition?" Why not "accept" HIS WORD (Book of Hebrews)?
Eric: If Catholic Faith teaches acceptance or tolerance of "other faiths," AGAINST WORD! Why would HE write Galatians 1:6-9 "ACCURSED" if "TOLERANT?"
Norine Solemnity of d Holy Eucharist is d sacredness of d sanct. of d body n blood of Christ during d mass. Any ritual 2 sanctify d holiness of d body n blood of Christ is covered by 'true faith' wch cov. ol laws. See Gal 3, FAITH Vic Ov. Curs.n evil
Wow Norine you sure sound like an old testament/Sharia law type person. How does a Christian only focus on accursedness and damnation. Your hatred toward others is mind blowing.
Ed: Gal 3 speaks to u "under the law!" I live under New Covenant ALL SPIRITUAL & don't "DO" - "DEAD WORKS" (Heb 9:14)! You deny GOD'S WORD & "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
Eric: I'm tired of u calling WORD "me!" I didn't write Gal 1:6-9! GOD DID!
Norine Read Gal 3 with an open heart, true 'faith' overcomes all curses from the Law, where law tell us how 2 sin against God n others. 'true faith' as we partake of Christ's body n blood binds us to Christ's love, for we remain in Him, in His 'word'
Ed: Re: Gal 3: "Cursed is anyone under the LAW" which means "DOING!" Holy Eucharist="DOING!" READ "HEBREWS" ="CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!"
James 2:10 "LAW="Offend in ONE POINT, "GUILTY OF ALL!"
Gal 3:1: "O "FOOLISH" GALATIANS" ("ED")!
Interesting the word fool is used but not in the way people want to use it.
1Co 4:10 King James Version 1Co 4:10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honorable, but we are despised.
Norine KissnT Eric celafoe Prot Read all of Gal 2 n 3 leads us 2 'true faith' 2 remain Christ though words n commands, and 'remain I Christ' through partaking of d Holy Eucharist that u r 'above d law w 'true faith' n above all curses, ur in d vine.
et- if the eucharest (I cannot call any catholic lie Holy) is truly turned into Christ's blood & body when you eat it, how come it tastes like ol stale crackers and cheap grape juice. catholicism is NOT Christian, it is a religion of apostate
Very interesting. Sometimes I have trouble wrapping my head around the concept that; All things of man are evil but God made man. And the weird part is that it is man who says so. Believe or not, no man speaks for God -- or does he?
eric- . I never said all of mans work is bad. just the church system of men. Jer 17:9-10 9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? 10 I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind,
read all of Jer 17
Why would you say "no man speaks for GOD?" You don't believe the Prophets of Old got WORD from GOD? If not, u sure don't believe Paul did same! And surely not anyone else! "GOD is the same yesterday,today &forever" (Heb 13:8)! BELIEVE?
Cela Norine Eric Prot. Wonderful miracles of faith happen among faithful, Mircls of
Holy Euc, apparition of d blessed mother, d mystical appearance - a ' tilma' fr r Lady of Guadalupe, healing miracles including mine, Jesuit prsts saved fr Hiro.bomb
Matt 7:22 "MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful "works?" And I will profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me,..."
et- all the things you mentioned are satanic , demonic apparitions and not of God The true miracles of God according to Mk 16:16 happen every day at the hands of only true believers. Christians, but not followers of catholic & other denominat
Not surprising at Norine that you cannot understand present tense as opposed to past tense and speaking for God as opposed to speaking in the name of God. I try to be mindful of your vocabulary handicap but you must try harder.
Jn 1:1 "THE WORD "is" GOD! When I "quote," HE speaks! Don't think HIS WORDS were for them in ancient times ONLY - "FOOL!" Heb 8:13 "JESUS CHRIST the same yesterday today & forever!" Heb 4:12 "WORD IS ALIVE" - TODAY!
You see the problem is that the Word is not alive in you. Parroting is not the same as speaking the Word.
I wish you would go & STUDY WORD so we can have a decent conversation instead of writing those "sermons" that are not beneficial for Salvation! Is 8: 20 "..If they do no speak according to THIS WORD, there's no light in them!" How's ur "sermons?
KnT Many call him Lord, but the one who REMAINS in HIM will have eternal life, Stay in d light n b saved. Christ's commands r from d Father, His words fr d Father, our onness is in d Holy Eucharist, His blood of living water that fills as it cleanses
How can u "REMAIN" in HIM when u blv "through His precious blood we need partake" of Euch?
U DEFY SCRIPTURE (Heb) so how did u get "IN HIM?"
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Kevin W says
Pretty straightforward. I wonder what it feels like to "believe" in yourself enough to think you are right as opposed to God.
Kevin you may not believe this, I thought I may die young but Jesus kept me alive, the power of d Holy Eucharist kept me ever healthy and alive for His words I spread in truth. Jesus made me understand how beautiful it feels when you spread His words
Eric: WORD (which I give/PROOF) is GOD (Jn 1:1), "NOT "me" so why do u blv "my belief" & not GOD?
Ed: What "Holy Eucharist" (not in Bible)? You spread ("not in Bible") FALSE DOCTRINE as "Trinity" & "Hailing Mary" (Exd 20:3)!
Norine that is interesting. Are you saying that you have no belief. That we are not to believe? "My belief" is what I believe - are you saying it is wrong to have a belief?
Eric: I have given GALATIANS 1:6-9="ACCURSED" MANY X'S yet u won't READ! Not "my belief," but what GOD SAID & there's NOTHING ELSE to believe IF a CHRISTIAN! I didn't write IT! I BELIEVE IT! Just letting ALL "know" It's there! ANYTHING ELSE=DEATH
Norine May d HS guide u to His ways, d Eucharist is d body n blood of Christ, it is holy because it is the sacred covenant of God to us. Humility 2 God is easy 2 do by surrendering 'pride,' 'self,' let 'agape' love rule us heart not 'eros' n b saved
The Eucharist is man made for the Body of Christ is "ALL Spiritual;" & when we "commune" with HIM it's in "Spirit & in Truth" (Jn 4:23-24) NOT "literally" drinking wine & eating bread. Man did this losing souls per Hebrews!
"I HATE ALL R
Anything rewritten is therefore, subject to corruption? The original and authentic Scriptires are on NAB (New American Bible) of the RCC. Others have been a replica but in truth, revised to suit what human needs may see in Mammon, for self interest.
Differing versions, including the addition or subtraction of whole books of the Bible sure make it hard to believe that one version is right against another. Kind of makes one thing that the general gist of the Bible is what is important.
Eric am here to enlighten, fr my mouth comes d HS guidn me, here 2 boast of D Lord. "True faith" n love of God's commandments bring us 2 etnl lyf. Denying Jesus' words 2 eat of His flesh n drink of His bld blinds Prot. fr TFaith, Let go pride /Mammon
Make the day of your loved ones feel very special and loving on any special day with various kinds of Gifts. Se
Ed: The Holy Spirit "guided" you here to hear TRUTH! He's telling me to tell you to READ THE BOOK OF HEBREWS and "accept" HIS WORD!
Strange the Holy Spirit is telling me that judging another's understanding is sinful.
Holy Spirit doesn't go against WORD (SELF)! STOP THROWING SCRIPTURES IN TRASH & "READ!" Ps 37:30;Amos5:14-15;ICor1:10;Rev2:2; Mal 3:8;Is8:20;Jn7:24;Prov24:23; Is59:8!
GOD Eric - PLEASE "READ!" How did u get Dr? U have less love for GOD?
NAB is d authentic bible recognized by d popes n d 'universal church.' As promised to Peter leading d apostles n the lambs n sheep, to feed n tend d church of God in Christ, as in John 21:15-19. "Stay in d VINE or be lost from sin n corruption."ROM 6
Sorry Norine I had to delete your comment. Using hell as a cuss word and calling another a fool is inappropriate. Not to mention it's only result is to drive people away from faith.
Sorry Norine, calling people names is just unacceptable behavior. If your Holy Spirit tells you to do so -- perhaps you should get a new one.
Eric, U r IGNORANT of HIS WORD! U & your "politically correct" religion which "tickles ears" will lead people to HELL! U need to tell TRUTH! Death is inevitable, then what leg will they have to stand on "love" by "man's" definition? HS tells TRU
The HS in you can always proclaim what is true. If you don't feel God's embrace, there is hatred n arrogance, if it does not attune 'completely' to d 'word' of God, u see darkness in ur souls, not the light of truth in d HS that heals. Blessings.
"Arrogance & Hate" is NOT accepting HIS WORD! I give WORD & BELIEVE ALL!
"attune 'completely' to d 'word' of God?" Why don't you accept the Book of Hebrews then?
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Blessed Hill says
That is really well said. Yours is a very valid viewpoint.
Eric - thank you for your truthful and level headed approach to God's Word. My heart breaks as I'm sure the Lord's does too when the people He died for bicker and argue over interpretation of doctrine. We are to unite in faith not doctrine.
BH: The "Gospel of Christ" DID NOT BEGIN until *"AFTER THE CROSS!" "Fellow believers" are *those & who oppose are "ACCURSED" or "anti-Christ" (Gal 1:6-9)!
I DIDN'T write IT!
Stop looking @ Paul as "just a man," for he was JESUS talking, or "ACCUR
Nor: If Paul is "not just a man but Jesus talking" then so is every believer that is filled with the Holy Spirit. Which means you need 2 listen 2 and consider what evry believer has to say if that is your viewpoint. u were accursed till u believed
You're RIGHT! I was "ACCURSED!"
If their holy spirit does not align w/WORD, they're ONLY "testing the spirits!"
If they don't believe in NEW COVENANT, we live AFTER Acts 2, we are saved by GRACE thru FAITH, they should "GO BACK!"
Norine are you a follower of the ACM movement?
GOD won't let you "leave me alone" will HE? You need to humble yourself and let GOD do HIS job in your life which will benefit generations to come in your family!
I had to google!
NOPE! I'm a member of the JESUS MOVEMENT!
What are you talking about Nor? Look at the question -- I am the one who asked it and you come here and suggest I am following you? You are amazing.
NO! You asked me to "leave you alone" & I was saying "GOD won't let you be left alone" will HE? Heb 12:11 "Now no chastening for the present seem joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness.."FM
B Hill If faith in doctrine aligns w d 'word' then doctrine of 'true faith' lives in d light of truth. If u judge 4 self interest d light escapes u, when Mammon rules u not d Spirit n truth in Christ. Feel d light n feel Christ in u n remain in Him.B
"if u judge 4 self interest d light escapes u, when Mammon rules u not d Spirit n truth in Christ." Tell the Catholic Faith that for I don't make a dime! I don't judge, WORD does!
I'm telling u, You are involved w/FALSE DOCTRINE!
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Tim Mitchell says
That is a very cool insight Tim, thank you.
What a "crock!" Nothing biblical!
GOD is of ONE MIND! Why do you think you see "WITH ONE ACCORD" so often in Scripture?
PROBLEM: No Holy Spirit "guidance" & is why MOST can't get on "ONE ACCORD" with JESUS (aka Holy Spirit)!!
Your Welcome Eric. It was revealing to me. I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to read it when pondering how many never did. They did not have opportunity of interpretation [period], so how can they be wrong?
II Pet 1:20-21 "...no prophecy of the scripture is of PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. For the prophecy came not in old time BY THE WILL OF MAN: but holy men of God as spake as they were MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST."
You "ignorant fool!" Have not STUDIED!
I ask your forgiveness for being an ignorant fool . . .
Don't ask mine! Ever heard, IF YOU LOVE ME "FEED MY SHEEP?" How can one "feed" w/o knowledge of WORD!
Where's the "love?"
Funny, really... I bet that if you sat down at the meal table with some present company, you would hardly get through "Grace" without a remonstration. But a little humour would carry the day (mealtime) I suspect.
Cool, the humor is given to us. That cannot be an accident.
noreen/eric Part two-- and neither present a fully accurate account of what you want us to believe A Partial Gospel is not THE Gospel
Follow disciples ("OBSERVE" Matt 28:20) & Paul "AFTER ASCENSION" who was "a vessel" for JESUS (Acts 9:15) & who JESUS spoke through according to Jer & Heb "put HIS Laws in their hearts & minds" & you've got IT (I Cor 11:1)!
God gave us talents to serve Him n mankind, as gifts fr God, so is everything in this life. But d realities of life is w/n human knowledge, frm d 'word' comes 'divine wisdom' best understood by 'divine logic,' fr were man/evil may corrupt. Blessings
Either u can't READ or u don't care (Blasphemy)!
READ the Book of Hebrews (Communion; 1 Cor 11:20) & tell me you're NOT Blaspheming!
Worshiping Mary (Exd 20:3)? Can't u READ (Is 42:8)?
You will DIE re: "TRADITIONS" in FALSE DOCTRINE!
Tim Interpretations n versions of d bible came fr 1825, fr original bible (NAB) 2 Prot interp. Let d light of truth in d HS guide us ol, in 'true faith' w d blood of Christ in us, as we eat Christ's flesh n drink His bld more revelations fr HS comes.
The only way TRUE WORSHIPERS eat of HIM is through HIS WORD for HE SAID "I am the Bread & drink" & the WORD is GOD (Jesus): So EAT! This we should do until HIS return!
ALL SPIRITUAL! No more "rituals/sacrifices" (Heb)!
CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL
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hmmmm- certainly NOT scriptural advice. best idea is learn the true understanding and follow scripture not man as scripture tells us to. in the true church of Jesus Christ all are of one accord with scripture and each other
Very good to hear from you Whonu. And thank you for your answer.
Another "love nut" (lug nut) that doesn't follow Scripture! Pray your way into heaven?
Since NO ONE wants to LISTEN, better READ & "try to figure out" what the Gospel of Christ is or "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
whono Human beliefs r of d flesh. D light of Christ brings u to 'true faith' leading 2 salvation. D blood of Christ in d H Euch cleanses our souls fr sin, it leads us 2 holiness n righteousness in Christ as u humble urself 2 D Lord - conquer Darkness
When 1 goes AGAINST WORD (Heb-Holy Euch) it is "Human beliefs r of d flesh!"
charlie, "in the true church of Jesus Christ all are of one accord with scripture and each other." What you have described exists no place on this planet.
Charlie- you are correct regardless of what Chris Mills says. Chris Mills has no idea what your talking about which is why he doesn't understand. He is carnal minded.
Thank's KC. You are such a pleasant person to have a discussion with. I stand by my comment. There's no gathering of Christians anyplace on this planet..in my opinion and experience..where they "all are of one accord with scripture and each other."
Because they didn't "WAIT" for "THE" Holy Spirit who has ONE MIND. Ea have their own "holy spirit" & not of GOD being deceived by Satan! RD Acts 1:2! AFTER ASCENSION Holy Spirit spoke thru apostles as I've told each HS told me. I'd never "noticed
So either Paul or Peter were not filled with the Holy Spirit when there was division. Yet the Bible tells us both were filled with the Holy Spirit. And we know that they shared different viewpoints regarding Gentiles and Hebrews. Interesting.
Eric- John3:11 (NKJV) Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and "TESTIFY" what We have SEEN, and you do not receive Our "WITNESS".. So Eric HERES MORE "EVIDENCE"..
Eric, you are exactly right in your evaluation of Paul and Peter. Two men of God, filled with the Spirit yet disagreed on a vital point in Christian belief. yet they continued on as brothers and servants of God. Neither called the other Satan.
Eric, JESUS' doctrine is SAME but man (Peter) "blocks" receipt via tradition! Paul didn't walk under Law w/JESUS as Peter who still had Law instilled. HS revealed Truth in dream to Peter "Rise Peter slay & eat" (Acts 11)!
Diff x but SAME Doctrin
Jonah, You went far out of your way to fix that to your liking. Still, there are to Spirit filled men not in one accord. By your own words, Peter was operating in the flesh. You have called such people Satan before. Was Peter a tool of Satan?
Jonah parable: God have mercy on whom HE pleases!
Yes, Satan entered Peter before (Matt 16:23)!
We (as Peter) battle daily but KNOWING WORD is LIFE!
Holy Spirit discerns the spirit of SATAN which comes into ALL! HE "reveals" ALL TRUTH!
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Grace: When ppl use "their brain" they go against the Holy Spirit's job! That's why there r so many diff interpretations! The HS is ONE SPIRIT w/ONE MIND therefore HE doesn't tell 1 something & another something diff! Ppl think smarter than GOD
Grace By God's grace may u see n feel d light of Christ. Many religions have opened. Anything corrupted in Mammon stays corrupted in d flesh. B d light takes u away fr deception in darkness. May d light shine upon u n free u fr darkness. Live Tr n S
"Anything corrupted in Mammon stays corrupted in d flesh." Is that why you are "corrupted" in defying Heb because of ur "Catholic Faith?" Anything that defies HIS WORD is "corrupted!" I would say mammon has a grt deal to do with Catholic belief!
Grace, Many may interpret one verse differently, but not a free for all. Ex: S King novel. Pick 1 sentence. Ask many to interpret. Can't unless they know how it fits whole book. Bible: One general/true interpretation, many minor insights/applications
Chris: You are an "Unbeliever!" One MUST "believe" ALL of HIS WORD! If Jn 14:26 says HE will "lead & guide us into ALL truth" & HE has ONE MIND (Phil 2:5), who should we differ?
Norine only repeats provide a book when she can not answer a direct question .that gets old and worn out.
Like a broken record.
Misfit has provided a good question.
U r as (appropriate name) "MISFIT"-using "brain" not BELIEVING Holy Spirit is WISER which makes BOTH "FOOLS!"
Has anyone (including u) provided? Q FROM GOD & u "MOCK?" Woe be unto u!
U DON'T CARE for PRIDE has u!
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Wayne Carlisle says
Why JESUS "commanded" us to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HS (JESUS) to "REVEAL" TRUTH!
Well, if "THE SAME SPIRIT" (I Cor 12), IT has different Mind (Heb 13:8)? Scripture LIES?
"O "FOOLISH" Gal (Gal 3:1) who has bewitched u & "PERVERTED" Gospel of Chri
Amen Wayne, d Spirit of God is in all who believes in 'true faith,' all sanctified by d blood of D Lamb. Saint Paul was talking to d Gentiles as new converts 2 Christianity. They ol where sanctified w d blood of Christ, as in Romans 6, for holiness
Ed: Stop w/FALSE DOCTRINE amening not in WORD! Diff cultures don't matter (II Kg 17:29-42)!
Wayne: Where did "Paul described...?" Defies Gal 1:6-9 "any other gospel=ACCURSED!" Does this show "diff ministries?"
Norine, with The Lord, we are made secure, without Him, we are made insecure. Stay in His light and remain healed, for He wants us all to live in truth, lest we get buried from darkness. Jesus judges, HS guides us 2 practice 'true faith,' n live.
No Ed! Saints "judge" each other (I Pet 4:17)! See how the "Catholic Faith" cont to deter u fm TRUTH?
Read Hebrews & "accept" HIS WORD!
Wayne D light of truth in Christ n d HS leads us to d Vine of 'true faith,' as d true church of Christ, doctrine blessed by Jesus in Peter n ol popes, upn d HS guid.. Cultures r human traditions b 'true faith' leads us 2 God's covenant - Lamb's Bld
"ol popes, are human traditions!" Did they not teach u to IGNORE Hebrews?
IGNORANT! Rather please man or GOD (WORD)?
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Friend give us a list of JC chastising such behavior.
No1 has to believe anything but WORD! If given,&1 truly seeks "salvation," it's their job to "work out their own salvation" (Phil 2:12) by "Studying"(2 Tim 2:15) to "see if so"(Acts 17:11) & hopefully they've "Waited" (Acts1:4)for "revelation
Debate is among those who may believe of greater intelligence than the other because of pride in him. Opinions may come and go but who is your master, is it Mammon, the false master, who deceives and lies, or Jesus, who is the truth in this life?
Why I give WORD!
Who can deny IT (unless unbeliever)!
I just noticed, Oz... "JC." You talking about me, or the real JC?
BIG diff, ain't it!
Ozi Truth in this life is Christ, in His words n His light we are set free from darkness. By His blood we may feel how He ransomed us fr sin, by His bld we nd 2 partake n eat if His flesh, n b saved forever as we live by His grace- 'true faith' heals
i thought that was obvious: of course I meant YOU:)
You might notice I have little or no time for religious bigots or atheist bigots so I'm truly a democratic critic.
Ed: JESUS SAID "I am the bread!" "If you drink of ME u will NEVER thirst" so It's ALL SPIRITUAL under New Cov. U "DO" as they "DID" under Old Cov "rituals & sacrifices!" Do u blv n New Cov? Gal 4 says we can't live under BOTH!Offend 1 guilty of A
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Bezalel Podolak says
No person is "right," ONLY the WORD of GOD!
Eric you are correct no has the right to judge people as fools but the one who know us inside out. It is unloving as a Christian to call people fools.
Mathew 5:22 says you will be judge for calling your fellow human a fool.
How can one miss this .
Tell Paul that when he wrote Galatians 3:1 calling the Church in Galatia IGNORANT for misinterpreting Scripture!
If WORD is given, take it up with GOD because HE "inspired" IT!
How can you get around that One or did you "miss" II Tim 3:16?
Wow Norine you really do believe that you are equal with Paul. I am sorry but that would indicate a delusion.
The people here are not Galatians either .Php 4:8 brothers,
whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well spoken of, whatever virtue there is and whatever praiseworthy thing there is, continue considering these things.
K&T: U sit back like "an old vulture" (Scribes/Pharisees) waiting for the kill don't you? LOL God "SEES" u! HE has given me the things to say from HIS WORD & u can't "see!" I pray for IGNORANCE!
Eric:I hope I am (I Cor 11:1)! My family says
Beza Christ is calling u n all who believe more on human intelligence. Intelligence is a gift fr God meant to be shared in d truth of ur spirit. Let d HS guide u to divine wisdom where 'divine logic' tells us 'true faith' in d light leads 2 salvation
Ed: I am "sharing" what Holy Spirit told me to tell u - READ & BLV Hebrews vs "teachings!" Holy Spirit is WORD & HE "guides" so BELIEVE what "IS WRITTEN!" I didn't put It there! Get upset w/GOD bcuz WORD "tears down" ur "traditions" (Is 28:13
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Eric Dierker says
D true judge is d living God, in Christ's Jesus, fr His mouth comes judgement n words fr D Father who sent the Son. Man's judgement may never d trusted, if ruled by d flesh, not by d Spirit of God. For d flesh remains imperfect O/T , Spirit is Truth.
I Cor 6:3 "Don't u know we will judge angels?"
GOOGLE "Is It Right to Judge!"
Why remain in "twisted" doctrine (Catholic Faith)?
STUDY (II Tim 2:15)!
Eric this scripture is understood out of text and used wrong. Paul humbly referred to himself as a fool . He did not use the word to attack his fellow brothers.
Interesting how far people will stretch Gods word to attack others.
K&T: U lie in wait like "an old vulture" (Scribes/Pharisees) trying to "trip up GOD?" R u a FOOL? I give HIS WORD & if HE SAYS "I would not have u "IGNORANT" (I Thess 4:13) & "O "FOOLISH" Galatians" (Gal3:1), who r u?
Girl, u can't be
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Luther Seed says
Right not "literally!"
Why JESUS said "THEY THAT "WORSHIP" M-U-S-T WORSHIP IN "SPIRIT" & IN "TRUTH" (Jn 4:23-24)!
Luther editing the truth comes lies of d flesh to conform w self interest that adores Mammon more than d light of truth in Christ. Feel d light, see darkness in d flesh when Christ's light shines in you. The 'word' will consume u to God's truth. Live
"editing the truth comes lies of d flesh to conform w self interest that adores Mammon more than d light of truth in Christ" Who has done this more than the "Catholic Faith?" Have 1 blv Holy Euc saves & Christ blood when only "ritual" defying He
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Norine Williams says
You say: "Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ!" The Bible reads: "Do not have companionship with anyone given in to anger" Proverbs - The Faithful should simply stay away from You. You spread poison with your anger.
Guess they should have "stayed away from" JESUS too when He tore up the Temple! "Be ye angry, but do not sin" (Eph 4:26)! Do you thk "sinful" to say we should READ GOD'S WORD? You've "given place to the devil!" Get real?
Haha, see how You pick and chose? You obviously did not like the quote I provided from the Bible (but it is there in the Bible, I did not make it up) so, You just ignore it and keep spewing your venom. Good job!
Anger and self righteousness cloud the thinking. Perhaps the ability to see through it lends itself to finer understanding and acceptance of other creatures of God.
Happy: Did you READ the Scripture n Proverbs "GIVEN IN TO anger?" I've NEVER "GIVEN IN TO anger" The sun NEVER goes down on "ignorance" in my life! I pray for "ignorance" feeling sorry (compassion) for ALL!
Again, angers me there BUT no 1 READS!
"Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ!" - Those are your words. "Angers me" means something makes You angry LOL Look what You are doing, You're twisting this in a discussion about Linguistics. You run away from your own words...
Your name does not suit u (mr happy)! JESUS displayed "anger" righteous "anger" so did I!
NOT READING WORD & angry bcuz they don't is righteous anger! U're a demon if perceived otherwise!
I'm STILL angry no one READS & u allow demon overt
Beware, Mr. Happy. You are about to be told Happiness is of the Devil !
Norine is on a personal crusade and she's got God's commission in her hand. Trouble is, she got to write the message. All in fun.
I must REALLY be telling TRUTH, huh (Demon inside Mr. Johnny)? Why else would I be of such importance to continue to "stalk?" lol
You've already been defeated Satan!
TRUTH will be told!
You have the importance of the Clown, Norine.
Enough to make us laugh and keep wanting to come back and hear some more.
Satan speaks again!
Again, I really MUST BE telling TRUTH for demons to keep "stalking" me!
Where is faith in the scriptures if one believes differently from the others? The scriptures may still differ in interpretation by the natural person, who only lives by his stomach, but 1 who lives in d Spirit of God boast of Jesus in him.
If anointed by HS there no "interpretation" for HE "leads & guides!" "U will know them by their fruit" or w/ONE ACCORD! If Christ dwells in u, there is no diff for HE will not tell 1 one thg & another another thg! I Cor 12 HE is the SAME SP
If u fail to c d essence of unity of faith in d Holy Eucharist u need enlightenment from d light of truth, Norine n ol Prot. Be saved by 'true faith' n live in Christ's light, c d truth in ALL His words, not one or 2, but ALL n be healed - truth n Sp
Isn't Hebrews part of the "ALL?" Where does that leave you? An "unbeliever" of ALL of TRUTH?
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Humility, intelligence, an open mind and receptive to various explanations on the internet about the bible (or any subject)? Good luck.
The mere fact that someone speaks up shows a simple lack of humility.
"HUMILITY" is giving up "self" believing & having FAITH in HIS WORD!
Matt 28:20 "teach.." "make disciples..."
HOW can we do this if silent?
yecall=yes look at all, keep that which is of God, discard that which is not.
eric speaking up is NOT A LACK OF HUMILITY, humility is an attitude has nothing to do with whether one speaks or not. your false humility is not Christian
I think you are right on this one Charlie. Lincoln said: "Obedience to the law is the greatest freedom" Certainly that pertains to God's law. Humility is first obedience.
Eric: Who is "Lincoln" & what does what he says have to do w/GOD? U sound "ridiculous" comparing "carnal" to "Spiritual!"
Humility is "giving up SELF" BELIEVING & HAVING "FAITH" in HIS WORD that u have STUDIED!
Can u please do that?
yecall Humility to God in Christ encompasses ol human wisdom leading 2 sins in d flesh where corruption fr d evil one rules d soul. Christ wants us to strive to holiness n righteousness in Him. Remain in Him in 'true faith' n live in Christ - H Euch.
U blv in that "ritual" (Holy Euc) more than JESUS, don't u? Otherwise, u would blv Hebrews! GOD or man? Who?
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ashraf psy says
The mind of the Spirit is "truth" of the divine, onto holiness in Christ Jesus, the truth in this life. The mind or soul of the flesh leads to "darkness n evil, where pride is,where d deadly sin emanates, "idolatry," the rule of Mammon, d false god
Ash: You're RIGHT! "Normality" is in the eye of the majority! GOD (aka Holy Spirit) being SPIRIT is "abnormal" to majority who operates in the "flesh!"
The Gospels gave SAME STORY & DID NOT CHG "orig mindset!"
Holy Spirit has "1"MIND(ICor12)
Interesting comment. But I think the term here is clearly meant to describe someone who is mentally healthy.
I Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are "FOOLISHNESS" unto him..." Where does that leave u Eric, WITHOUT GOD! I told u & u keep proving it & by NOT READING u don't want to chg just please
Norine I know it puffs you up to hear that you are abnormal and dead wrong. But I suggest it anyway.
What did they call JESUS Eric? Who am I? I'm trying to tell TRUTH but you're so "puffed up" you won't STUDY! Devil wants to keep u as is - LOST - pleasing men (Temp)! Forget pleasing men - SAVE yourself (Phil 2:12)!
Asraf See d light of truth in 'true faith' n see how u may escape darkness fr d bondage of sin. See why 'wages of sin is death,' San malice n pride.' Let d light of Christ consume ur heart of true love, n be freed by d HS n holy ones- path 2 holiness
Hey ET, do you believe in the extraordinary saving of souls?
Ed: U (Catholic) defy Scripture & until u obey Heb 7,8,9, u r an "unbeliever" of HIS WORD! How can u tell anyone anything?
Eric: Why ask an "unbeliever" anything concerning the Holy Spirit? FALSE DOCTRINE has lead him into serving "his" god!
Norine Eric Ashraf God is judge of all, through Jesus r Lord n Messiah. Jesus was abnormal to d Jews n Gentiles. Spirit of God was with him. He was as perfect as God can be, his words were spiritual and true, yet rejected by many. Now, truth shines.
Yes U "reject" Heb! We Judge w/WORD: Is 8:20; I Pet4:17;Amos5:14-15; Is59:8;ICor;Prov24:23;IKg3:19;Rm16:17-18;2Cor6:17; 2Tim3:5-6; I Jn4:1; Mal3:18;Rev2:2; + MORE! READ! Why is there a Book of Judges?
Stop BELIEVING "man!"
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Edge Valmond says
wow- what an off the wall answer-- totally contrary to scripture. There is ONE CORRECT understanding of the scriptures and most people are too self centered to ever truly look for and find it.
No truth may come from a prideful person, where his ego is above over the rest. But blessed is he who sees the light as he humbles himself to God, and see the truth in His light, the truth that sets anyone free from evil's bondage.
U know, people have been "taught" to "evade the Holy Spirit's" POWER (Acts 1:8)! They NOW thk just 3rd "person" in Trinity!
FOOLS! Satan is laughing!
EDW-- IF THAT WAS MEANT FOR Me you are wrong, but being a catholic
i dont expect you to understand the real scriptures Christians are to be all of 1 accord, ot course that does not include the cults such as yours
Charlie maybe you run this too far. You and I are not in accord on somethings. Today my favorite color is purple. We both believe in Jesus. We are in accord on Jesus Christ.
Eric: How can u be "w/1 accord w/Charlie? He believes "AFTER THE CROSS" or AFTER Acts! You still stuck under the law (Matt 22:37-40)!
Holy Spirit gives Matt 22:37-40 "automatically!"
You MUST live AFTER ACTS or Gal 1:6-9 applies "ACCURSED!"
eric-- what are we in 1 accord on?
That we are Christian.
Eric: "Christian" is not just a word or believing there is a GOD who "loves!" Saying you "love" GOD but not doing as commanded shows NO LOVE or Christianity! Why I keep giving WORD that we MUST live AFTER THE CROSS or AFTER DAY OF PENTECOST!
eric- I never said that and as long as you say you do not have to back up all your beliefs with scripture in context i would be unable to. I think 2x I have said you got 1 right but it takes more than that. it take correct understanding of the NT
Matt 7: 1-5
eerc-- I am always ready to be judged as I judge as it is a cornerstone principle of Christianity.
No other conditions made by man.
eric- what that really means NT:4100 pisteuo (pist-yoo'-o); from NT:4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ): KJV - believe (-r)
No Charlie that is not the HS reading. It is about casting the first stone. Are you positive my reading is incorrect and yours is without a plank in your eye? Be sure you follow the two greatest commandments first before judging. Matt. 22:36-40
erc your distorted view of love destorts everything you read, say and do. you have to get past your false beliefs of what love is. it takes a greater love to correct than to just agree with false beliefs
As though Pro. 13:24 applies to each other. But I am sorry 1 Cor. 13:4-8 convinces and is more consistent than your 20 kinds of Greek love.Paul cuts through interpretation and delivers solid truth. Rom. 8:28
Charlie Cults are for believers of Darkeness, Catholics believe in d light of truth in Christ, His precious blood makes us ONE with Him, in body and Spirit, as we remain in Him through His words 2 defit darknss n conquer d world. Hope is light n bld
Edwinoel- the chatholic church is part of the kingdom of darkness. They worship Mary and dead "Sainst". And pray to them. How evil can you get. Praying to Mary IS FALSE DOCTRINE. Which is just one of the many false doctrines. celafore IS CORRECT.
Protestants may find it hard to understand, less they be humbled n may see d light of truth, many may blaspheme d HS - hope comes fr truth in the 'word' revealed by true faith - Spirit of God, water n blood, all in agreement w 1 another. Blessings
KingdomCome this is a problem. You point out all the error. Perhaps a calling. Chastise, rebuke and debase. Yet within that calling is a doctrine all it's own. One doctrine for another? You are adamant and forceful and insistent.
Eric- God has provided doctrine. We don't get to make our own and we shouldn't.
Ed: Pls provide Scripture that we are to "worship Mary" or it's a man-made FALSE DOCTRINE!
Eric: U continue not to care what's IS WRITTEN! I Pet 4:17 "For THE TIME IS COME that JUDGMENT "MUST" begin at the house of GOD..." How can u deny GOD'S WORD?
Edge that's why Jesus said "spread the gospel," "remain in me," "remain in my words,"eat of my flesh and drink of my blood..have eternal life," "whoever believes in me even though he dies, he lives," "love one another as I hav loved you," > holin
Ed: Didn't say "spread TWISTED "false doctrine!"
Book of Hebrews says NO MORE "rituals/sacrifices" which are "dead works!" Deny IT & u DENY GOD!
Explain I Cor 11:17-22!
1825 Protestant bible came out, almost 1800 years AD, more Prot bible versions came, why, ask the scribes n the pastors who rules their minds. If Saint Paul in Timothy tells us 'money s d root of all evil,' where d u stand, t be pastors of darkness??
Ed: WHO CARES what's been "added or deleted?" Don't u know the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT who "tells us "ALL" things" even "FALSE PROPHETS" which "Catholicism" is!
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GOD is a "jealous GOD" (Exd 34:14) & NOTHING "correct" BUT HIM!
HOLY SPIRIT asked us to "LEAN NOT TO "YOUR OWN" UNDERSTANDING" (Prov 3:5)! When "WE" do, against GOD (aka Holy Spirit)!
If Jesus is 'd way, d truth n d life,' how can every thing b correct rose? Jesus is r light, r hope, r Div Healr, Div Prov, Div Mercy, master of life, love n truth, and anyone who believes in Him and His words, he remains in Him, otherwise, corrupted
Ed: Then corrupted if you deny the Book of Hebrews & continue in your belief instilled in you by the "Catholic Faith!"
Who would you "rather please, man or GOD" (Gal 1:10)?
Rose n Norine rise up in 'true faith' n be freed fr all demons that rule ur mind, 4 Christ is the 'fullness of the Deity in bodily form,' ur remain ruled b the 'law' under d flesh. Rather, b ruled by d Spirit of truth, d HS, to 'true faith' w Christ.
Eric why do you keep "deleting?" You "cause your brother to stumble" which defies WORD! Who do u work for (I Cor 10:21)?
Hearing/Receiving, Loving/Obeying THE WORD OF GOD is how you should RECEIVE, not "deleting!"
Catholic Faith is FALSE DOCTRINE!
rose Christ is d truth in this life. Every time He tests r faith. True faith is in the true VINE of faith. No religion may save u, but FAITH in Christ will, where His precious blood shed for us on d cross saves n cleanses man fr sin n darkness. Live
"His precious blood shed for us" & you repay HIM by DISREGARDING Hebrews?
Yes, HE'S "testing your faith," to see if you will continue DISREGARDING!
Hebrews say "CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!"
"No more rituals & sacrifices" (Holy Eucharist)!
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Ashae Harris says
Now if you had "WAITED" you'd not be "looking for job" for Holy Spirit "leads & guides one into ALL TRUTH" for all situations! Matt 6:33 "Seek ye FIRST..& ALL thgs will be added unto u." Go ahead, "get out house,' but get CHRIST 1st!!!
God gave us talents to hone through the HS guidance. Pray, rejoice and do your best as you move forward to glorify God who gave you life and gifts, that you and you household may be blessed guided by His commandments and His words of truth.
HIS WORD OF TRUTH!
Read Book of Hebrews & tell if you following "The Gospel of Christ" (Gal 1:6-9)!
Catholic Faith has deceived you!
Norine, ol protestants outside of d vine of 'true faith' remain corrupted w ol things passing, but hope is in d blood of Christ, forgiveness of sins by God's covenant in us, comes d blood of Christ to cleanse us of sins, John 6:57-58 Christ's promise
WORD says when one gives TRUTH (WORD) "Search to see if so" (Acts 17:11)!
"STUDY" (II Tim 2:15)!
READ Book of Hebrews to see your "Catholic Faith" errs!
Ashae when u are preoccupied w d world, c the healing light of Christ, if u follow his teaching u can be his disciple. And d truth will set u free - John 8:31. Be freed fr worldly things, have peace n love in Christ. See light in ur talents. Live
" if u follow his teaching u can be his disciple." Are you following Hebrews or do you continue to "DISREGARD?" If so, are you "a disciple?"
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Shut Up "FOOL!" (Doesn't mean not voice "opinion!")
IF you "lean toward man rather than GOD" (Gal 1:10), you are not a servant of GOD!
"O "FOOLISH" Galatians who has "BEWITCHED" you..." (Gal 3:1)?
What a guttural, ignorant, self-important judgment, Lois. You call yourself a disciple of Jesus? You are nothing of the sort. You call a person a Fool! And to shut up?! Go look in a mirror.
Many people think they r gods, but there is only 1 God, n He loves us all. He wants us 2 unite by loving 1 another, how? Release our pride for we can't obtain anything when we die. Everything in this life are gifts from Him, He's testing us 2 b worhy
Ed I think I get your point. But I have this notion of Grace being there regardless of whether we are worthy. We do not earn it, it is freely given.
"Release "your" PRIDE" and READ the Book of Hebrew to "see" the "Catholic Faith" has deceived you!
If the Holy Spirit is in you, you will "SEE" (I Cor 11:17-22)! Explain this Scripture!
Just a question for those following. Should I delete Norine's Calling people names posts? Should I just delete her comments completely? Or should I just ignore them?
Eric: Do u need man's approval? WWJD? See what can of man u r? Seeking man's approval?
"A man w/o courage & conviction is a man w/o NOTHING!"
Do as YOU please! GOD SEES!
Can vitriolic and mean behavior toward your fellow man really emanate from the Holy Spirit? I do not believe it can so I cannot believe that you are lead by the Holy Spirit. Your words of praise contradict your stone heart.
EVERYTHING I do or say can be backed up w/WORD!
I Thess 4:13 "But I would not have u IGNORANT..." ERIC why don't u "READ" then u would KNOW I'm not talking but GOD!
HE'S "vitriolic & mean" w/"stone heart?"
Did u READ re: "Judgment
Is it possible that you have no compassion, love or empathy at all unless we are to consider your meanness as those attributes? Could you be diagnosed based on your comments here?
There's something wrong in your "state of Denmark". Mean spirited nasty obsessive behaviour is definitely NOT Christian and doesn't belong to any spiritual impulse. Stop it before you go blind...too late!
Oz: Tell GOD HIS WORD is "state of Denmark!" FOOL! You blaspheme! Bcuz you've not been "taught" RIGHT WORD, u see as "blindness!"
YOU ARE BLIND (II Cor 4:4)!
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
Hill: Do u know those "fruit" are automatic IN CHRIST w/those who "believe?" Not w/unbelievers! Look @ JESUS when HE tore up Temple! Did u see those "fruit?" Don't just "cherry pick!" Study ALL Scripture!
Norine: I do know scripture. Fruit is meant to be seen and enjoyed. If the fruit is automatic for believer's why is the LACK of fruit evident in how you talk to people on hubpages. They should be evident all the time.
ViewF ur views come from ur human mind, it dies w d flesh. It becomes meaningless over time as we r called by r Creator. 'Divine logic' brings u d light of ttuth, leading u d way to Christ, 2 'true faith' in d 'universal church' comes d way 2 freedom
Bless: I have a WONDERFUL relationship w/BELIEVERS & fruit is shown but not w/UNBELIEVERS! Did JESUS?
Ed: What "universal church?" Men of "tradition?" Heb 7,8,9 says u "no longer bring offerings & sacrifices!" Your Catholic faith LIES!
Norine Chruch traditions are beyond human traditions. They leadus to love of God and love of r neighbors. They bring us closer to God. By faith comes grace from God. RCC is above s law. No curses shall fall upon d faithful. True faith leads 2 light.
Ed: Catholic "church" traditions ARE "human traditions!" ONLY those "IN CHRIST" (AFTER THE CROSS) are free fm "curse!" If u don't blv Hebrews, you're out!
We live under New Covenant (AFTER THE CROSS) & JESUS SAID (thru Paul) Gal 1:6-9 "ACCURSED
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True Truthseeker says
"O ye of "little faith..." Did the Holy Spirit not SAY HE (aka JESUS) would "lead and guide us into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26; 16:13)?
Why don't you "BELIEVE" if TRULY a "Christian?"
TrueTS missing out 1 John 5:8 on 3 elements of 'true faith,' all agree w 1 another as 'one accord' you've missed what d Covenant of God is in d blood of Christ, one w water n Spirit of God - completes r faith n belief in Christ - above d law/freedom
Ed: Did you recognize "the freedom" Christ gave us in the Book of Hebrews?
CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL! NO MORE RITUALS or SACRIFICES! NO MORE "DEAD WORKS!"
Unless u read d original bible fr RCC, U stand 'outsmarted by Satan,' my brother. 1825 AD first Prot bible version started 2 flourish, why? 2 keep many away fr 'true faith' - faith delivering us away fr darkness n sin, to holiness n righteous. In Chr
READ HEBREWS 7, 8, 9 & "BELIEVE!" "Catholic Faith" ERRORS!
Gal 2:21 "I do not frustrate the "GRACE" of GOD: for if righteousness came by the law, then CHRIST IS DEAD IN VAIN!"
CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!!!
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another ridiculous NON -CHRISTIAN diatribe that has no place in this section
Hi Charlie and Williams
There you go!! Anger!! Ego!! coz am not christian.
Jesus taught us about love, peace and Love your neighbor as yourself.
Am talking about humanity.So, religion doesn't matter..
Ru following bible 100%?
Manjunath7472- It's people like you who take scripture out of context. Jesus called the Pharisee, sons of hell, fools, vipers and hypocrates because of their worthless and false traditions, but he still loved them and died for them.
MJ: Why do u "think" JESUS is ALL "love?" Why is there a HELL, if so?
Once one has "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) for the POWER (Acts 1:8) as "commanded," been FILLED w/the Holy Spirit & BELIEVE on HIS WORD AFTER ASCENSION, "RIGHTEOUS by FAITH" (Rm1:17)!
Very interesting. Truly a view worth contemplating.
JAY C O'BRIEN: Do u believe there's a heaven? If so, you probably believe there's a HELL! If so, DOES that sound like a GOD who doesn't KILL?
Hubbers GOD will KILL you (after physical death via hell) if u don't do as Gal 1:6-9 (After the Cross)!
KingdomCome-Am not blaming any religion here and ain't anti christ.Am just talking about human values and not religious values.When ur hospitalized and needs blood, u may not wait for only christian blood. So, human values first !! religion next !!
FOOL! GOD left WORD!
GOD (Spirit) FIRST! Flesh NOTHING!
Eternal life is what IT'S all about!
There is "Something out there" & IF u don't believe Scripture, LOST!
Respect "wrong" r against WORD? NEVER (Ps 139:21-22)!
OK people !!
In the name of religion all religious fools will kill other religion fools and get killed after all we are just animals with flesh and extra brain to write all these holy scriptures and puppetize people. Hav fun !! Amen!
You "have fun" in HELL! I didn't say IT! "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of GOD" (Jn 3:18)!
Where does that leave you?
Ok Norine Williams, we'll meet soon after judgment day before the entrance gate of heaven & Hell.You take left and i take right but plz get me beer case and an i Pad loaded with latest action movies while coming to relax after each punishment:)
Satan ALWAYS "joins the party" w/o invitation (Job 1:6)!
U & Satan go on to the "right" side (Is 5:20)!
Blessed Hill: U think this kind I don't "hate?" But I pray (Bless) for his soul!
Which way is hell?? Right side is it?? okies!! You r very clear about directions too.!! Wow!! You're a heck of a guy!! Tell me what are the facilities provided in christian heaven and the draw backs of muslim or Hindu or any other heaven??
U'll find out!
Hindu uses other means than HOLY SPIRIT for peace, joy, etc Muslim worship Prophet Muhammad! Worship idols & other gods!
They'll see u there too!
Y'all have "fun" w/all that peace,joy,happiness!
Manju Christ has saved us fr sin, open ur heart to him, sans malice n pride, He will reveal to u, in His 'word'
Of 'true faith' leading 2 ur salvation, urs n mine 4 Christ is above all religion. In 'true faith' u r freed fr any law of
sin n curses.
Ed: U need to "open ur heart" to the Bk of Hebrews! JESUS (aka Holy Spirit) spoke thru Paul & said "ACCURSED" bcuz that's how IMPORTANT "The Gospel of Christ" is to HIM & u defy!
Marju n ol Prot n d astray Christ is d light of truth, in ur spirit u may feel as u open ur heart to d HS. Darkness can keep us in wrong path, but d cleansing of sins is in Christ blood, d H Euch. If u fail 2 renew, d light is not in u.Renew n b holy
"Darkness can keep us in wrong path, but d cleansing of sins is in Christ blood, d H Euch." Defy Heb & u r "in wrong path! "H Euch" is "ritual!" U defy Scripture w/"man-made" doctrine! GOD SEES & u will remb when u "Stand before the judgment
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