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CH Elijah Sadaphal says
I am with Paul. We must hold fast to our teachings and traditions passed on to us. We should never change them for when we do then we will be changing them to suit our own ends and to justify our actions whether right or wrong but mostly wrong.
JW: He's not talking OLD COVENANT "traditions!" Paul was not Christian but "revelation" fm JESUS is when his "tradition" began! Holy Spirit "revealed" Thgs done prior 2 his Christianity & JESUS (HS) told him to fulfill old "traditions!" 2Cor3:18
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Blessed Hill says
"Traditions" indicated in ur response (" God, Jesus Christ or Holy Spirit")! U speak as if different entities! Paul also were "ALL" ONE SPIRIT w/ONE MIND (I Cor 12)! RELIGION has "taught" u a LIE (tradition)! FAITH "WORKS" not u r Eph 2:8-9 LIED!
Norine, I didn't say they were different entities, you assumed that so you could bring an accusation. You assume way to much to make judgement calls about what and how I believe. Please don't assume you know my faith walk. Till u do, don't judge me
Why did you not use "and" vs "or" as IF they are different entities when Scripture says "ONE SPIRIT" (I Cor 12; Eph 4:4-6)?
1st 1 Cor 12:4,5 talks about diversities of gifts of the Spirit, differences of ministries but the same Lord(Jesus), diversities of activities but the same God. Then the chapter continues to specify the gifts of the Spirit. Sounds like a triune God.
I really don't get a spiritual reason not to recognize the three as separate and yet the same.
Did u hear urself? "Gifts of "THE SPIRIT" (ONE)! GOD has more than "three" diversities! Rem HE'S the BIG O'S but ONE SPIRIT! I Cor 12:12; "...even so is CHRIST!" "GIFTS" r some of HIS "GLORIES" but "ONE GOD" (Eph 4:4-6)!
It is not myself, it is scripture. God the Father sent God the Son, God the Son sent God the Holy Spirit. God the Holy Spirit leads and guides us the children of the most High God, YHWH. Unity and agreement make them ONE.
U rem how JESUS spoke in parables (HIS MO)? W/o Holy Spirit u can't "see" THE GREATEST ALLEGORY in WORD! "JESUS is GOD!"
"JESUS" sent HS (Jn 16:7); GOD sent HS (Jn 14:26)!
SAME "SELFSAME SPIRIT" (I Cor 12:11)!
Jn 4:23-24? "TRUE WORSHIPERS "MUST!"
The Holy Spirit is in all 3. But Jesus is flesh and bone seated at the right hand of the Father. He has the Spirit without measure. The Holy Spirit lead Jesus into the desert to be tested by the devil. That's 2 individuals in unity.
Jesus' (Phil 2:5) Mind (HOLY SPIRIT) "lead HIM into desert to be tested by devil!" THERE is ONE SPIRIT who manifests HIMSELF via "GLORIES!" I Cor 15:50 "flesh & bones" not in heaven! Indiv is person; GOD is SPIRIT!
Norine you misusing and misquoting scripture. "Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil."
Don't put your own spin on scripture. Take it as it is.
Where is your "spirit?" If you have a spirit (mind) of evil, then you have a demonic spirit (mind)! We war against that spirit (mind) to become as HIS Spirit (Mind) & is why Scripture says "Let this Mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus
I'm a triune being like God, made in His image and likeness: I am a spirit, I have a soul (mind, will and emotions) & I live in a body. My spirit is born again but my mind has to be renewed by the washing of the Word. 2 diff parts of the whole.
Now we're talking "Spiritual!" Spirit has a Mind! GOD is a Spirit. HE doesn't have a Mind? I was just looking @ Ezk 37:14 "And shall put my spirit in u..." When we have HIS SPIRIT we have HIS MIND! THE SPIRIT talks to HIMSELF (Gen 1:26 "Let US...")!
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Problem: "We have to do the work" which makes Eph 2:8-9 A LIE! ALL we DO is "BELIEVE w/FAITH!"
GOD set the pattern for the "carnal" realm & the "Spiritual!" We "believe" we can accomplish things (carnally) & easy, so it is w/GOD!
We ultimately tend to agree in a round about way. Nothing can be achieved without Grace. You say this; I totally agree. But Faith without works is dead, and Grace and self-effort are like twins! Both need each other. Ultimately, there is only Grace
Faith that doesn't produce any signs of works "is" DEAD! One must BELIEVE until it's manifested! Don't only read "the letter" (II Cor 3:5-6)!
Norine we still have to do the work. Faith without works is empty but also Works without Faith is also empty. We can all lie back and say "Oh I have Faith" then do not work for good or fulfillment..
Faith w/o WORKS "is" DEAD! If one has "faith the sz of a mustard seed they can move a mountain!" Do u thk *I* can move a mountain? I'd rather let Holy Spirit "WORK!"
We "BELIEVE" so until action manifested. Our faith (work) determines outcome!
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Seiboi Misao says
A healthy perspective. Interesting how Christ taught in parables yet the scribes of today treat them literally. I also find it interesting that Paul wrote to churches and not invividuals.
You too r as Scribes, Eric! If u believe there r 3 persons (Trinity), if u don't blv we should listen to Paul whom JESUS spoke thru (Jer 31:33;Heb8:10; 10:16) & live "AFTER THE CROSS," u don't get IT either! THE CHURCH is ONE just in diff locatio
I have found this a remarkable comment: which makes Eph 2:8-9 A LIE!
If one "thinks" he has to "WORK" for "righteousness" & it is not by "FAITH," it does "Make Eph 2:8-9 a LIE!"
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Norine Williams says
Norine. When we hold fast to the teachings that have been passed on to us then we are building traditions.
Where r u Mr.Ward? Gal 1:12? No one "taught" (or "passed on" to) Paul but HOLY SPIRIT (JESUS) "but by the revelation of JESUS CHRIST" (aka Holy Spirit)!
Have you not heard (READ)?
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