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Marisa Wright says
I don't! I would LOVE anyone who DIED FOR ME & sent "gifts" for me to benefit from IN THIS LIFE!
This "SPIRITUAL JOURNEY" is BEYOND man's intelligence! The "mind of Christ" gives by-products, e.g. loving ALL w/o seeking rewards!
Wonderfully put, Marisa.
You're still offering people a bargain - you're saying, believe in Jesus BECAUSE he's going to give you gifts. That's bribery not belief.
Bravo! The trouble with beliefs is that it can be such a fine line between the two in this case - so many people do go to church or believe because they are afraid. What if the consequences were removed. Would you still be devoted? Good question.
God is a loving and giving God. Since the 1st day of creation He has been looking for ways do His creation good. He created everything good for our good. The promise He made Abraham was that He was going to bless him. Abraham just had to believe
God has been looking for ways???!!! LMAO!!! Apparently you missed the ALL-KNOWING, all-powerful, always present part of the story. God, supposedly exists outside of time and therefore "been" and "is going to" aren't really applicable to anyone but us
If one doesn't BELIEVE in [ANYTHING] JESUS, no results!
"For as he thinketh, in his heart so is he" (Prov 23:7)!
That is not true - there are all kinds of things that get accomplished in this world because people 'believe'; and many of them are accomplished by atheists. How is it that someone like Trump succeeds? It is bcuz he BELIEVES in himself.
That's what I SAID! If ANYONE believe ANYTHING that what he manifests! I BELIEVE in the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS) not as you - "Researching!"
Why don't u? Don't say u do, bcuz you'd let HIM do HIS JOB!
That is your judgmental perspective, and this is what I am always trying to get across to you: YOU do not have a singular, idyllic hold on 'the Spirit'; and you insult the rest of us by insisting that you are the only one with TRUTH. God is diverse.
GOD is "ONE" SPIRIT (I Cor 12; Eph 4:4-6) with "ONE" MIND (Phil 2:5)! No one has "dibs" on GOD; although I KNOW HE carries a picture of me in HIS wallet (LOL)!
We ALL have the SAME opportunity to BELIEVE in HIS WORD/HIS POWER/HIS "ONE" MIND!
The Bible is true because the writers of the Bible said it is true! Christ was born of a virgin, didn't write anything, was misquoted anyway, was properly crucified, his carcass was misplaced due to a clerical error, and thus a religion was born.
If that's your religion, so be it!
It is just as plausible as yours.
Nudely you are hilarious, if you wrote a book I would read it simply for the laugh.
When I do for other people I do it from my heart. .. not to be rewarded. That is who I am, a child of God.
Yes, sometimes MORE, sometimes less but OK for GOD "look @ the heart" (II Sam 16:7) and the pocketbook! lol
It seems we got away fm Marisa saying we believe for rewards! Those r by-products not reasons for BELIEF! Again, ANYONE who dies for me (as my husband gave up SELF which is same in carnal sense) I LOVE!
Plan/simple: THANKFUL showing GRAD/OBEYING!
Marisa: Benefits are only by-products for a BELIEVER!
CHRIST "DIED" for us & as spouse GIVES UP his/her life for one; showing LOVE, we show LOVE for GOD SAME by "GIVING UP" BLVING & PRAISING!
Eph 5:32 ".."I speak concerning CHRIST & THE
Or he or she could be saying, they want to spend eternity with God because they love him so much. It doesn't specify so you shouldn't judge. He or She is right, you have nothing to lose and its great. The Bible says that God is a jealous God, fyi
That's the GREATEST "reward/benefit/by-product!" But now she'll say we're only believing for "fire insurance!" ??? Ps103:12 "...forget not all his benefits!" Judge? Nope! Too many to mention-limited space but could add on to yours!
God may have 'one mind', Norine - but, it is WAY bigger than your's or mine; and MUCH more diverse. If that were not true, then there would not be so much diversity. That book that you worship is NOT God or Spirit. Sola Scriptura research the debate.
This is a logical fallacy that has been spouted by religious people for ages. It's called "Pascal's Wager" and it's tiresome and stupid.
Christian comes from the name Christ Jesus. Everyone is invited and will feel the call but not everyone will accept and that is your choice. God does not instruct us to harm anyone not His but to pray for you. Your choice where you go. Completely.
Actually, the word Christian comes from 'Christos' or 'Christ Consciousness' being 'within' - which was the original message Jesus taught: we are exactly like him. He didn't become 'the christ' until superstitious pagans took him out of context.
Christos is the Greek word for the Hebrew word Messiah, which means anointed. You are perverting God's Word to fit your doctrine. Very dangerous.
Christ Consciousness is a real word/phrase that existed in many religions BEFORE Jesus Christ existed on this planet. Do your research instead of insisting that the manipulations of ancient killers & murders is 'the truth'. I wrote a hub - try it
Try it? Are you insane!? Go peddle your harlotry some place else.
There are so many holes poked into the salvation story, its ridiculous. ALL Christians have a hard time coming to grips with the truth, but it is slowly happening. Do you KNOW where all the ridiculous new conspiracy theories come from? Research truth
I agree, though I'll add that Christianity by its very nature appeals to our very selfish sides, starting with its promise to bring us eternal life and live forever. Who doesn't want that?
Yeah BH, a loving giving god. What about the flood? He apparently didn't see the evil coming so he drowned everyone and everything. I can see it now, the last few bunny rabbits trying to make it to high ground, but alas, sinful animals die as well.:o
Marisa, I think you make a very valid point. This "if this then that" thinking is really a little bit lame. We really should do what is right for right's sake. But I think "faking it until you make it" is alright for a beginning. Like my going to gym
All who have accepted Jesus are like Him. Everything produces after its kind. Dogs give birth to puppies, cats give birth to kittens and tigers give birth to tiger cubs. In the same manner, when you are born again, you are born of God. And His child.
Actually, we are exactly like Christ when we are born - not after we 'accept' him as 'savior'. NONE of us would exist without a 'christos' within. It is our battery and our life-force. That was Christ's original message: we have our own light within.
Jesus existed before creation because God is the Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is our life force through Jesus.
Christ often spoke of his 'christos within' - the same kind we have - and C's misinterpret it in literal ways to mean that 'he' as a person IS that 'christos'. No, he came to show us that WE are just like him, not that he was going to 'do for us'.
Thank you Jesus for what you have done are doing and going to do. Praise the name of Jesus.
Pagan = Jesus, Christ = Christos, the 'holy spirit' that Christianity managed to single out in a deeply pagan way hundreds of years after his death in order to unite the many pagan religions among the vast empire. Trust State, not yourself = bogus.
It looks like you are saying I am bogus (yourself = bogus) but then you have no idea I am being led by the Holy Spirit.
You and everyone here - LoL! How many times have we heard peeps say this? If we believed every person, gosh things get befuddled, huh? Believe it or not, I TOO am being 'led by the spirit' - which is my point. C's believe HS is exclusive = bogus.
So well said Marisa. Do the right things according to your finer conscience whatever your religious beliefs or not. Do the best for all concerned ,yourself included.
One should be kind because it is the right thing to do. Care about things because it is who you are.
Belief system is a choice not a necessary option. And choosing to believe in Jesus due to the conviction of not believing, is okay as well.
From what I have learned, Jesus came to show us how to live in harmony with each other. He set the example and ask that we CHOOSE to follow his teaching.
I cannot find anywhere in the Bible where he forced anyone to believe or follow him.
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"Logic & reasoning?" Where's that from? Your brain which is smarter than GOD'S? Even that sounds IGNORANT to you IF you believe there is a CREATOR & not just "farted from a star!"
GOD y'all sound like comic book writers!
Provide the book!
The book means nothing. It's no more factual than Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter. You are free to think I'm ignorant, doesn't bother me at all.
You fulfill Scripture also: Rm 1:18-32!
No, provide a book other than Bible written before Bible w/as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies then say "NO GOD!"
Otherwise, only your opinion based on your "logic & reasoning!"
I would believe in your unicorn if there were some who witnessed it. When I do what the bible says and get the results it says I will that's proof enough for me. God said, "come let us reason together." I reason with Him every day.
Me and all of my friends have witnessed it and you have to believe me because I just wrote it down. Good to know you believe in my unicorn now.
Ever hear of the placebo effect?
Where's the book Aimee? Go ahead & believe your "placebo effect" while we experience manifestations w/MANY "benefits!" To bad yours is psychological while ours are actually manifested e.g. healings, deliverance, future events revealed...
You guys keep changing the goal post, eh? Well okay. Islam has a book. So does Hinduism. And Taoism. Etc., etc. So if all that's required is a heavily circulated book then I guess we've got a LOT of true religions. Why choose yours?
Hey Norine, nice to see you where you belong and not usurping other people's hubs. I am quite interested to know who the "ours" are. I have never seen anyone confess to your blasphemy.
Aime F have you read the Quran? It mentions Jesus 25 times. I believe alot of what is said in it to be true. All religions have some truth or people wouldn't take them seriously.
Aimee: TRUE "BELIEVERS" are NEW COVENANT & AFTER ONLY (Gal 1:6-9)=GRACE!
Eric, you want to know who "blasphemes?" READ the statement above!
If one doesn't fall into that category; "ACCURSED!"
You give a very logical response. But you take a risk of going to hell. God does not allow people into heaven who reject Him- would you expect Him to , since you have rejected Him? Why are you taking that chance?
It's not "taking a chance" because I don't believe in God. I just don't. I can't turn on my belief any easier than you can turn yours off.
Ultimately, if there is a hell and if being a good person isn't enough to keep me out of it, then so be it.
Aime: U need to provide the book!
... for what?
Provide a book with as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written BEFORE Bible to prove there is NO GOD!
Who else could have known of events to come BUT GOD who speaks through men?
It's impossible to prove a non-existence. I'm not interested in proving my beliefs to anyone anyway. Notice how I'm not trying to force you to believe exactly what I do?
Neither am I! We have a choice (Josh 24:15)! I would only like u to realize THERE IS A GOD & we were not "farted from stars!"
Since there is a CREATOR, HE deserves "respect!" If u created robot, u'd want it: SO DOES GOD!
Norine. Josephus lived during JC's supposed life and guess what? He mentions nothing at all about a man performing all sorts of miracles in the area around Rome. Especially not the zombies or the sun going out during JC's resurrection.
Proving God exists is easy - proving the salvation message of Christians is the hard part, because it is a pagan message that replaced the real message. Deceiving people has MANY benefits, like creating inferiority complexes that keep people in fear
"Proving god exists is easy?" LOL! Which one? No one yet has proves any sort of god exists, outside of man's imagination that is.
Its not so funny - I wrote a long hub about it. God exists with scientific evidence that we are spiritual beings. The 'salvation' message within Christianity is wrong. Its all very simple, actually. Neither Atheists nor Christians R correct. Research
Misfit, there is much truth in what you say. I think and feel one would have to try really hard not to have some spirituality. Sure it happens but that person has to work really hard at stifling that part of themselves.
As to any doctrine - hmmm
Faith is a gift of God. After reading John's Gospel and seeing for myself how good Jesus was, I wanted to follow him but I couldn't find faith in me and I really liked cocaine. I had to ask him persistently for faith, and sometimes I still have to.
Oh my! You really need to read my hub, ha! God didn't send Christ to 'save our souls'; he came to enlighten us that we didn't need pagan religions. There are decidedly TWO different basic versions of Christianity. The less-known one is increasing...
Misfit: If nothing else, I agree HE came to 'save' us fm Paganism! It's ALL Spiritual! There are "spiritual" laws to come into FAITH! 1st: "Be sober" (IPet5:8)! "FAITH comes by 'hearing' the WORD" (Rm10:17)! So "STUDY" (2Tim2:15)!
Again Norine what did early Christians study with - especially after the emperor's executioners destroyed HUNDREDS of 'gospels' that were actually written closer to Jesus' time AND executed people who had them? Paul's message does not jive 4 a reason
Paul's Message "does not jive" because JESUS cont'd to talk thru Paul AFTER ASCENSION (Acts 1:2)! Why do u thk Paul "in his stead" (II Cor 5:20)? Why do u thk I keep telling ALL "Paul cont'd "fulfilling JESUS' laws" ("in HIS stead") AFTER JESUS LEFT
What is happening today is in that book, all who study know it. Even I use to wonder how the whole world would be looking at all this coming on the earth but today that is pretty elementary isn't it? It'll get much, much worse, don't wait too long.
Yeah, its been getting 'worse' for over 2K years- and of course, Christians KNOW that 'its coming', so WHY BOTHER putting an effort into this world to fix its problems? Plus, 'god' does EVERYTHING for you - really, why bother? Bible came 300ys LATER.
Jews are chosen. God told Abram to leave a country, indicating there are un-chosen people. Jesus came to minister to the needy among these chosen, and later offered salvation to the un-chosen. Believe! The weatherman can predict snow, but what color?
Jesus came to fullfil the Jewish Law of Kabbalah - and that is what they killed him for because he was trying to teach pagans (including Jews) that they were in bondage to pagan beliefs. When his message took hold, they hijacked it to keep status quo
I've heard the word "fire insurance" used in reference to what you're talking about here. Many people (try to) believe in God, reasoning that if there's a God, they'll be safe, and if not, no harm does. IMO this is very cowardly behavior.
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Tessa Schlesinger says
Alot of hurt has been done in the name of Jesus. Unfortunately hurt people hurt people. I have to be careful that I don't act out of a hurting past with my family, so I lean on the love and grace God has for me and my family.
TS: Didn't GOD say HE'S greater in our weaknesses? II Cor 12:9 "...for my strength is made perfect in weakness." U didn't "humble yourself," but YOU TRIED to "get it right!" U were just where GOD could've used u, but didn't SUBMIT (Jonah)!
My story is the similar, Tessa - it is amazing how many Christians discovered the 'truth' about Christianity through their own experience with it. God does not create situations that make us sick or require us to 'submit' - only mankind does that.
Um, despite 35 years of intensive prayer, I saw no response to prayer. I truly believe that the reason there was no response was simply because there was no god.
There are "laws" for prayers being answered! "The prayers of the 'righteous' availeth much" (Jm5:16)! What is "righteous?" BELIEF in "rightly divided Word" (II Tim 2:15)!
Much in this world masquerades as Christianity. The "Christianity" that you say damaged you was not true Christianity. If you have seen no answers from God after 35 years of "intensive prayer," you do not have a saving relationship with Jesus..
Interesting Tessa. I have never had a prayer answered the way I expected to see either. But the practice of prayer has always left me a little bit better than right before I started praying. Like I said - interesting.
GOD "rains on the just & the unjust" ((Matt5:45)! WORD said "availeth much" not that it would NEVER "avail" for those who don't have a "saving relationship w/Jesus!"
My knowledge of Christianity is HUGE. I not only spent 10 years on my knees praying, but gave up EVERYTHING for god. That included opportunities as a ballroom dancing champion, becoming a TV continuity announcer, reading books, and marrying an idiot.
Some obviously-evil people own mega-yachts, and good hard working, salt-of-the-earth believers have their houses and loved ones flattened by tornadoes. Tuscaloosa Alabama, Joplin MO... big religious towns, yet many churches completely smooshed.
Tess, What kind of religion was that u gave up so much? GOD is a heart GOD & ur prof (TV anchor, ballroom dancing, books, spouse) had NOTHING to do w/GOD (SPIRIT)! RELIGION KILLS!
Nude:GOD gave"DOMINION" to"MAN"(Gen 1:26)&misuse of environmen
Fundamentalist Christianity? The sort that is taught in the USA and that Republicans keep using to stop abortion, gay marriage, etc? I attended many different denominations and in many different cities. They all have their different 'do and don'ts.'
I used to believe in Jesus but after so many prayers that went unanswered, I no longer do. I believe we do have a creator but Jesus has nothing to do with that. He was a mortal and the Romans used Christianity to control the masses
Tess: WORD is GOD speaking! If GOD SAID "Be fruitful & multiply" man can't argue! Either BELIEVE GOD or not! Like? We didn't CREATE UNIVERSE!
Frump: How many wks/months were you under "discipleship?" Results?
Didn't JESUS teach HIS disciples?
Dear Tessa,I lost all in my life when i went away from Jesus.By when i returned to Jesus and turned into a new human,I got all the blessings from him.Now i am a owner of a web development company.God will test you that if u r really loving him.
Didn't he allow Job to be tested? We (AS YOU-Thank you Jesus!) should STAND FAST (AS YOU) for "joy cometh in the morning" (Ps 30:5)!
Thank GOD for YOUR "FAITH!"
Well, girls and boys, I think a 35 year test of my 'faith' is more than enough. I don't believe it was a test. And believing in Jesus and serving god was the most destructive thing I ever did. Never again. I see no evidence of a god.
U say that you lost your life & @ the end u say you've a lot to lose?
I'm confused help me out
Firstly if u lost your life wouldn't u sorta having no life (being dead?)
finally if your dead surely you'd have NOTHING 2 lose anyway?
Explain 2 me
Minxette4 Too complex to explain in a few lines. Essentially, I was so traumatized by the jealousy, the nastiness, the narrowmindedness, the ignorance, the spite, the malice (in all churches) that I got PTSD and it took me 25 years to heal.
Exactly. It amazes me that because of the ignorance one is given through Christianity it's easy to blame others for not being as stupid as you are for believing. Its not the people making church bad- its the religion as a whole.
Tessa-Jesus did not ask you to give up anything but sin which hurts you and causes illness and pain. You cannot blame anyone else for not receiving the truth, you have a bible and two eyes I assume? Read it yourself, be born again. Nothing like it
Actually, there are a LOT of things like it - I've been through it and other directly spiritual Christian experiences. I'm willing to bet with 25ys, Tess has, too. It feels not much more than opening a cool xmas present - until you realize the lies.
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You would lose your life without Jesus and gain eternal life in Jesus. If you accept Jesus you would still have your free will and ability to think for yourself. Because we are not robots.
Sharp Points says
One cannot by themselves, one needs to have it forced on themselves by someone they trust. Most religion is inherited through one's family members, otherwise there wouldn't be any structured religions to speak of.
No one can! You have choice to accept or not after READING (Josh 24:15)! Only GOD can draw one to HIM (Jn 6:44)!
You don't even know who wrote the scripture you quote, Norine. Why should I place any weight on what some unknown goat herder wrote so long ago? And why do you worship a deity who molested and impregnated a 13 year old virgin who's already betrothed
HE had given "DOMINION" to man (Gen 1:26) & the cleanest woman (Holy) HE could find was Mary (Lk 1:28; HIGHLY FAVORED) to become one (man) who had been given DOMINION on earth!
GOD'S WAYS R NOT YOUR WAYS & why u THINK I'm crazy!
As a christian, how do I force myself to believe in Buddha. I can't; but Buddha did not come to save me. Randy - the rocks would cry out.
I always wonder how many Christians would be Muslims if they were born on the other side of the world and if they ever think about that.
IF salvation was for me no matter what part of the world I lived in; I would find HP & "hear" HIS WORD! lol
Why do u think there are Muslims & other Religions on here @ this given time with my "obnoxious" self delivering TRUTH in HIS WORD?Ma
Norine, so as long a being is powerful enough they can molest another mans fiancée'? Or ask you to sacrifice your children just because the being wants you too? I'm sorry, I simply cannot worship a child molester like you do.
I can't worship the nothing u worship either! We all have a choice (Josh 24:15)! GOD doesn't twist anyone's arm to make them believe! HE allows them to make decisions & is why the world is in the shape it's in then blame GOD!
No Norine, you never had a choice I'll wager. You were introduced to your religion at a young age and have never bothered to examine the other possibilities. You're simply an example of what's wrong in this world. Blind faith is the tool of tyrants
Norine, people only believe in God for a few reasons. 1. They were indoctrinated. 2. They can't do something. 3. They lost something/one and can't cope. 4. They are socially inept. They are all negative reasons.
Tessa that's an uneducated juvenile assumption.
@Tess. many religionists have a schizoid fear of reality & life. They view the world as an evil, avoidable place to interact w/ when absolutely necessary. Many religionists can be classified as emotionally & intellectually...IMMATURE...
People need to seriously learn the difference between being religious and a believer of Jesus Christ. The question was not a religious one but all unbelievers want to talk about is religion.
I understand the difference but then again I was a very devoted Christian. I later realized the faith I had was absurd. Rightly dividing the word ultimately fails because it isn't true. The proof is in God's failure to be perfect and omnipotent.
Michael where did God fail? This is an honest question.
IDK is it okay to post a link? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_mistakes_made...
And now I will wait for someone to blame it all on sin.
There's a few answers just for starters.
Randy: Parents dead & I searched & found AFTER death! Rebelled when alive!
Tess: We all "turn to something!" Either drugs (extreme), something in between or GOD(2Cor12:9)! Your choice?
GM: Tell Gates!
MM: No "discipleship" huh? RELIGION KIL
God created the world- rested on the seventh day-satan tempted Eve- chosen people-these people needed to be saved- God cannot do it on the seventh day (His day of rest)-sent His son-son went to hell to see what hell is like-. Son called Paul-believe
How many religions did you search for until you found the right one, Norine?
Michael, I will rephrase the question, where did God fail you? I would like to hear your answer.
I didn't "search for a RELIGION," I "sought HIS (GOD aka THE SPIRIT) Face!" Man looks for GOD in all the wrong places! Not in books, not in man's interpretation of WORD, not in teachings, traditions, etc, but HIS SPIRIT!
B.H. there was / is no god to fail me. If that weren't true there would be thousands of answers to your question but since it is true there is only one.
Norine, you still weren't clear on whether there were other Christians in your family or your parents beliefs either. Surely as a Christian you can answer my question truthfully, or will you?
Hello Aime in our country and also in Arab countries many of them are converted into christianity.Many are secretly worshipping Jesus.Jesus is also blessing us.In 1947 when british left our country,we are bankrupt. today we are 5th strongest nation
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"Come by?" Man's teachings? Straight from SATAN for "flesh (man) can't please GOD" (Rm 8:8)!
Again, Have you heard the end of the story? SATAN has already been defeated! Continue & you will join your father in the Lake of Fire!
Yes, belief is something you come by based on what you learn, experience, and your understanding of a situation. It is not a choice you turn on and off like a light switch. Again, I don't believe in any 'story' that has a 'Satan' in it.
Did parents discipline you? Did they not torture (discipline) you for being wrong (or so you thought)? As parents gave u choice to do as said (petty/belief?), so does GOD!
He created us not vice versa & can destroy creations for He's GOD!
My parents did not wait till I die to punish me eternally for mistakes I made, or because I might have had a wrong belief. That would not be discipline, that would be sadism.
"It would be just too petty if a God let it all ride on belief"
Yep! Especially if he knew the belief came from the mindset of "well what do I have to lose?" That's not very inspired.
Great point Aime.
GOD doesn't "need" us (Lk 19:40) HE'LL make "rocks cry out" to get praise if we don't! We need HIM!
You really know how to fulfill Scripture: Rm 1:18-32 "fulfilled" + MORE!
We do not agree on what God is, wants or will do. I'm not questioning God in the least. I do question your concept of God, your interpretation of God.
What is your "concept" or "interpretation" of GOD?
lol 250 characters is not nearly enough; suffice it to say, not a concept that would fit in Abrahamic faiths. I'm not at war w/those faiths; I just don't share your ideas about the nature of the divine. I have to be true to what I believe is true.
I wish u would furnish another book w/as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written before Bible and MAYBE you have a leg to stand on!
Until then, I Cor 10:21 is appropo=SATAN!
I would also put 'accurate' in quotes when talking about fulfilled prophecies in the Bible, N. But my religion doesn't take mythology literally. Mens words (like the Bible & other books of mythology) were never supposed to be taken literally.
IF "MEN'S WORDS" PROVIDE THE BOOK???
Thats right only NOrine can speak or write because she is the only one graced by the Holy Spirit. The rest of us can only repeat Bible phrases. And don't forget NOrine also says some of the Bible is wrong because of Nicea.
Eric, I didn't ASK for this assignment bcuz I KNEW there would be men like u, but whether you HATE or not, I GIVE TRUTH IN HIS WORD! Now, u can PROVE you're a child of GOD by listening & praying to GOD for "underst" OR u can cont working for SATA
Yes; a book. Of words. By men. Writing what they think is true. That's all it is.
Stop "babbling" & PROVIDE THE BOOK!
You're the one who is babbling about books, Norine.
When fail, TRY to insult? What a man?
"When fail, TRY to insult?" You would know about that. You're the one who keeps talking about books. Notice I simply repeated your words.
"What a man?" You lost me again, who are you talking to?
When I started to suffer greatly for some stuff, I began searching for relief. The only shelter I found was in Jesus. I spent years putting a mask of faith on for church. When I started seeing Jesus with me in my suffering, faith began inside of me.
Yeah, a lot of us have a similar story - then a few decades later, after we have invested practically our entire lives in it - we wake up and realize that we didn't need anybody, all along. THAT was actually a HUGE part of Jesus' original message.
I can relate Anthony; I found that kind of shelter in my own faith when I was seeking and in need of direction. I'm glad you found the right path for you.
MF: That's JESUS' Message! "WE NEED HIM" (aka HOLY SPIRIT) ONLY but YOU have taken over HIS JOB! IF we BELIEVE "all things are possible!" But BELIEVE "WORD" (aka GOD/HOLY SPIRIT) not *me,* mama, pastor, popes, book, BUT GOD (aka SPIRIT)!
Again Nor, I do not believe the Bible is the word of any God. At all. Not even a little bit.
You're asking me to follow the beliefs of human beings because you think their words came from a God... I cannot follow what I do not believe.
ERic, Good Friend, you and I must have a coffee together, at that little joint just outside the Pearly Gates, before we march off to visit out mutual friend, Mr Satan. Shall we go hand in hand? Might even see Norine going our way too! Yippee!!
Norine, do you Christians have ANYTHING to back up your claims besides idle threats? Do you really want to be coerced into believing something? The historical and scientific claims in the Bible have been thoroughly refuted. You just refuse to see it.
Yes, it has been thoroughly refuted; and frankly, Christians CAN'T see it. Beliefs are powerful, and diverting them does bad things to their heads and (obviously) the entire world. I wrote a hub detailing how Jesus message was diverted & WHAT it
Many of them are not believing Jesus but in Bible it is all said at last days many of them not accept and deceive Jesus
Where do you get the story of Jesus? There is only one place. Ever heard, 'History is written by the victors?' If you really loved JC, you would WANT to get to the truth of his story instead of believing what murders & killers wrote about him.
The very notion of an eternity of punishment or reward being based on what we believe or think makes zero sense to me. If a God were actually waiting to reward/punish us I would think what we contribute and how we conduct ourselves is important.
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Paul Goodman says
"...AND THEN THE END SHALL COME" (Matthew 24:14)!
The Kingdom is not in the sky,
nor the sea...
It is right here
between you and me.
God is more real than we realize - but we don't know it bcuz our 'beliefs' have been diverted from the truth of the reality of our existence - intentional or not
Gods that rape 13 year old betrothed virgins should not be worshiped!
We do not follow religions we follow God and God's will through our faith in Jesus.
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Marcelo Faria says
Short, sweet and to the point.
Faith in Jesus Christ is not reasonable that's why it's called faith. And faith in Jesus Christ is not religion it's life.
When you say "What do you have to lose?", you are trying to reason; you are trying to use to logic to encourage people to believe in Jesus.
Religion is part of life for religious people; but it's still religion.
There is documented evidence of Jesus coming to earth. The Bible was written by at least 39 men over approx. 1500 years. What people show as inconsistencies are not. Reading must be done with continuity.
Louis Farrakhan has a movement in America. I have been to one of his conferences. History will record this movement, his achievements and the efforts to stop the movement. I am not Muslim, I am Christian, but Louis Farrakhan exists.
Angele, would you tell us briefly what his points were?
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Louise Elcross says
A parent's job is not to shame and scare their children.
You speak well of hope Louise. Thanks
Louise keep searching for truth and fighting the lies because God is love. That's the message of the bible. The other books, even though true, were excluded because the message of love was not at their core. God bless you.
BH: You haven't raised children? Don't you tell them TRUTH? Want a car KILL? Is the thought of being ran over by a car as they've seen a dead animal in street scary? Why would u delete because it's scary? TRUTH IS "scary" as HELL is but exists!
I have 4 children you obnoxious insolent woman. I delete you and will continue to do so because there is no love and grace in anything you say. Now shut up and let others talk.
Hell is a much more complex concept than getting hit by a car and expecting a young child to process it appropriately is absurd.
I agree Aime, for me Hell would be separated from love for eternity. People think it's a physical experience but the physical body goes to the grave. It's the spirit and soul than experience torment because of separation from their creator
Well GOD LIED? "Train up a child in THE WAY (GOD'S WORD) he should go...?" Are you BELIEVERS or (loving) "proclaimed" Christians? TELL TRUTH! Tell children there are consequences for not obeying WORD! Tell TRUTH or they'll grow up like you guys!
They'll grow up able to form thoughts with their own words instead of all scripture all the time & the ability to gauge what is appropriate to tell a child in the interest of their well-being? Shoot, that sounds awful.
As for you SATAN Job 1:6!
Demons are ALWAYS AGAINST the WORD of GOD (Prov 22:6)!
I KNOW I'm not "out there" relying on "my" knowledge/judgment,etc & ANYTHING I ask in HIS NAME, I receive! How about U?
I'm sure that's what you believe. But personally, I would not shame and scare my child in exchange for "whatever I asked for" anyway. Nothing could be worth psychologically damaging a kid.
Scaring children into submission is evil in itself. Which brings us to - we are all God's children. So why would someone read the Bible to mean that God is wanting to scare us children into submission? Very kinky if you think about it.
Thank u Dr. Spock!
I'd rather one be "psychologically damaged" by the WORD of GOD rather than running around out there doing practically anything via society's ok!
There's NO FEAR in CHRIST!
This is a typical response that many former Christians are coming to. I really do not mean to promote myself when I say that my hub is just for peeps like you who are kind of 'in between' and still trying to figure out how all the puzzle pieces fit.
Misfit: U "blaspheme" against the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS)! What do you thk the HOLY SPIRIT'S job is? U don't believe JESUS exists as the HOLY SPIRIT? Does HE not work n ea of us? Why don't u 'step back' & let HIM "figure thgs out?"Can u do bet
Your mother sounds like an evil witch. You are not stupid. You spell good and write well, too. She was the stupid one -- not you.
Your hub proves nothing Misfit. Reading it was the worst waste of time I've spent recently.
MF: You hear SATAN possessing Frump to speak against "your mom?" Your mom, who taught u where u were (TRUTH) yet u allowed Satan possess u as Frump? Get real!
I agree w/Randy! ANYONE who DENIES the POWER of GOD (Jn 14:26), is a waste of time!
BH, the only thing I can agree with you about is the "obnoxious, insolent woman" bit. Well said and timely.
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Doc Snow says
I like CS Lewis, much more focus on spirituality and inner-relationship than theology. He coined the phrase, "You don't have a soul, you ARE a soul - you have a body." We all have a WORKING soul that does NOT need to be 'activated' by God/Jesus.
"Soul" = mind, body spirit! Mind & body = yours, but spirit belongs to GOD "IF" one BELIEVES in HIM (WORD); otherwise, lies "DORMANT!"
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Rachael Lefler says
BELIEVE - THE HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD) "guides into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26)!
The bible has been debunked pretty thoroughly, and it appears no other deities are vying for the top nod. Now the battle is to deprogram all Jewish/Christian/Muslim bots who are so inured with ancient tripe. To Reverse centurys of damage won't be EZ.
Jesus said, "follow Me." not Christianity! Following a religion will always leave u feeling empty, robbed and disillusioned. Just look at some of the people who have commented here. Proof that religion kills.
Nu:Every wonder why peeps want to "debunk?"Promises by GOD unfulfill! Why? Didn't follow laws governing receipt of Promises 1st: "WAIT" for "HELP!" I'd lv 2! Misfit got "a taste" & set out (self) to see what IT was!
Christianity of CHRIST-RELG K
Jehovah (God) took the children of Israel out of Egypt, but did not let them enter the promised land because of disobedience. If the gods of other religion are true, then there are rules to follow or you will be punished. Jesus offers forgiveness.
Noreen, I respect your opinion but I think you are blind
BUT "His hand is still stretched out" (Isaiah)! Have you READ yet? How many times?
I HATE RELIGION didn't disciple you as CHRIST did HIS followers!
GOD - I HATE RELIGION (Ps 139:22)!
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.
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I Jn 2:16! GRACE you need to tell Bill Gates ($47.9B; the richest man in the US) this! I'm sure he'd like to know he's IGNORANT! Honey, RELIGION has MOST thinking we're victims, passive & ignorant! I'm FREE, BOLD, & get "understanding" FROM
God took a group of people out of Egyptian slavery. Jesus, worked among a group of people who were offered no health care. Paul preached to a group of people who were doomed anyway. Maybe, men (not God) encourage all those things you mentioned.
Grace, you would agree that it takes educated people to get a Noble prize right. The majority of those winners are Christ followers. So it's time atheists stop believing the myth that believers are backwards dumb folk who cannot analyse information
Well said, Grace. Churches are for sinners. And I guess, they have to believe in something instead of the reality of life. Things aren't usually wonderful. Religion is fine as a crutch if you can't deal with life
GOD! I LOVE THAT BABY! lol
Frump: I HATE RELIGION! Look what they've done to you! They just shook your hand & took your $! Left you to "figure it out!"
Didn't CHRIST train HIS followers? Did HE not "keep them" w/Power of Holy Spirit?
When british people came to our country,they brought us a light 'Jesus'.But now the same people are not believing Him.We are believing and following Him under many hard problems.So that He raised us from poor to 6th strongest nation in the world
The Bible was written by humans. For some reason, Christians can't fathom the idea that someone simply picked up and wrote the rest of the story where the last guy left off. Where's the evidence of God's existence? Oh yeah. Nowhere.
Actually, evidence of 'god' isn't the problem - there is plenty of evidence for that (re: my spotlight hub). Because of how twisted Christianity is, 'God' gets thrown out the window with Jesus & the salvation message. Science is finding neat thin
Did you ever head of Buddha or other people other then just Jesus.
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Catherine Mostly says
You (Being an UNBELIEVER) have NO IDEA what the Holy Spirit (aka JESUS) can do! If JESUS said HE would "lead & guide" us into "ALL" TRUTH; I BELIEVE and HE HAS!
I respect your viewpoint but it doesn't matter how many debates go on among men God still IS. Jesus was born, taught, was crucified, buried and rose on the 3rd day. And then ascended. That's TRUTH. No debating will change that.
IT MATTERS! For if one "proclaims" to be a BELIEVER & doesn't do what Gal 1:6-9 says, they are "ACCURSED!" That doesn't matter?
The salvation message is very simple, those that believe with the heart and confess with their mouths Jesus Christ as LORD shall be saved. Pretty simple, no debate needed.
Believe what? Did RELIGION teach you what to BELIEVE? "Confess w/mouth Jesus Christ is Lord?" Confession MUST be BELIEF&FAITH in what the Lord has said ("rightly divided" WORD); that's confessing w/your mouth Jesus Christ (WORD) is Lord (GOD)!
Catherine, do not worry about SANTA. Jesus "flipped off" too and some people are angry with him. The book of Revelation speaks of gold, and is not exactly a nice book to read. The church of Philadelphia mentions a new Jerusalem on earth.
How can an atheist claim that anything is true, good or beautiful? There is no objective standard by which you may judge. An atheist can't disagree with this: Who is a public servant and who is a violent criminal are merely matters of perspective.
"Jesus was born, taught, was crucified, buried and rose on the 3rd day. And then ascended. That's TRUTH." R you sure? What if Jesus died just because he was cruxified; and then, when his real message started to take hold - it was hijacked by pagans..
"What IF?" HE DIED! Reconciled to that "ONE SPIRIT" "again!" Sent HIMSELF (aka HOLY SPIRIT/SAME SPIRIT) back to HELP us, and u deny HIM?
Norine you need to get a life.
Norine has a life Norine has Jesus.
I reckon that is true.
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John Bullock says
All human beings have faith. It just depends where they place it. Our decision making is based upon faith in what we know to be truth as far as we know it.
JB: I still would like ONE unbeliever to provide a book w/more "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written BEFORE Bible and those "better minds" haven't provided. Can you?
Who could have known all prophesied BUT GOD?
Which fulfilled prophecies? The self-fulfilling ones or the vague, high-probability guesses? I bet psychics would have a field day with you!
Are you one? There's resemblance!
Whatever you find, provide!
Are you one? Same characteristics - unbeliever!
Whatever you find, provide!
Paul was called to preach the gospel. It was not an easy task. I went to Disney Winter Park. They said it was going to snow. One had no idea what color the snow would be, or what type of snow would fall.
Norine, you keep using that excuse, that the bible has many fulfilled prophecies - more than any other book; and yet, you don't believe it! The Kindgom of God is WITHIN, which means the 'rapture' you R waiting for already occurred and KoG is HERE NOW
MF: I NEVER said "I didn't BELIEVE the Bible!" I said "The Holy Spirit will (and has) "revealed" portions tampered with!" I BELIEVE HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS) will "lead & guide us into ALL truth!" Do you?
You don't have to believe in the bible or Jesus. But look around and you know we have a Creator. The safest way to pray (I think) is to our Creator. How can you go wrong, doing that?
Well, IF u believe there is a CREATOR & HE doesn't LIE; believe HIS WORD (Bible) for Basic (SPIRIT) have not & CAN NOT be "tampered with!" Acts1:8 "POWER!" Who "leads & guides into "ALL" TRUTH" (Jn14:26;16:13)!
What's wrong with that?
You do not need to fake anything. If you believe in history and archaeology you will clearly see that these people were here. Look at the Tel Dan inscription, the Pilate Stone, the Codices and the prophesy of the Bible. These are tangible items.
Prophesy is not tangible - and according to literal interpretations of the bible, some are long overdue - and yet, C's have been waiting for 2K centuries. 'God' & 'Spirit' are never inaccurate, but 'Bible' salvation message most certainly is.
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Randy Godwin says
Well, until one can "Provide a book w/as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies which was written before the Bible and I continue to "reap benefits" stated therein, IT IS WRITTEN!
What proven prophesies are you speaking of, Norine? JC himself did not fit the prophesy of the Old Testament but I'd wager you did not know that. JC was foretold to be a great military leader and he certainly didn't fit this description at all.
I BELIEVE Bible! If HE tells us to "put on war clothes" (Eph 6:10-17), HE must be a "Military Leader!"
If you don't believe Bible (GOD), you need to provide the book!
1 John 4 "Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God". Randy no doubt if you are worshiping a God that is not loving it is probably the wrong God. NOrine likes the gory war parts of the Bible.
If I write a book about Ulysses S. Grant and assert that in the year 1866 he predicted the Great Depression of 1929, to someone reading my book a hundred years from now, Grant will seem2b "a prophet." Prophcy can be written & fulfilled by same wr
Nude: Did you hear "AS MANY "ACCURATE" FULFILLED PROPHECIES AS BIBLE?"
What great predictions came from the Bible, Norine? Can you name some?
I understand the concept of prophesies. But I don't get the concept of believers trying to make prophesies out of context. Is there some Nostradamus concept here? Why do we care if predictions can be fit into occurrences?
Ken Humphreys shows how Book of Mark has 2B fiction. Mark knows what the high priests were thinking, and knows what was said at the temptation on the mountain etc. It is written as fiction for a story-loving audience.
It's obvious Norine has inherited her religion like most other believers. If she'd been born in the middle east she'd be arguing that Allah was the main skydaddy.
RG: No rm-Google! Their "sky daddy" didn't "create"-Not MY GOD!
Eric: "We care" bcuz who KNEW; BUT GOD?
Nude: Provide book!
Sura 7.54 Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil over the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the
1Say: He is Allah, the one;
2Allah, the eternal absolute;
3He does not beget (CREATE), nor is He begotten;
4And there is none like unto Him.
And HE LIES too!
So a god has to beget in order to be real, eh Norine? What about a god existing 100's of years before JC. He was the son of god, born of a virgin, was killed and arose 3 days later. His Name, Horus. I wonder why your god copied him in creating Jesus?
Randy dear this is a FAITH thing! Man can dummy up gods timelines etc but manifestation of actions in MY LIFE justifies MY BELIEF! Now, u can believe in a nail if u like & if it manifests actions in ur life that ur prerogative but for me & my
Norine, I suppose you're not one of those people who uses the talents "your god" gave you to discover the truth on your own. How arrogant you are to try to make people believe as you do as if you were someone to admire. Are you?
Glad to see you're still alive, Randy! I thought you were long gone! :)
I give WORD one can take it leave it "Choice" (Josh 24:15)! If you think GOD'S WORD came from *me,* so be it!
Isaiah 8:20 says "To the LAW & to the TESTIMONY: if they speak NOT according to THIS WORD...there is NO LIGHT IN THEM!"
Horus was not born of a virgin. He was conceived when his dad and mom did it but his dad had a golden winkie. That's not what I would call a virgin! He also was never specified to rise from the dead, it was Osiris, his father, who did that.
Norine the only qualifying prophecy that ever came true was either written after the fact in a falsified historical record in order to try an make it look like it was predicted and came true or acted out to make it look true. ie The Donkey Ride.
@Paul Goodman--Never left but HP banned me from the forums, mostly for arguing with ignorant people who believe a god speaks to them in their heads, Go figure!
Randy I hear God, don't you? Maybe you aren't listening, or maybe you are hard of hearing.
BH, if you actually hear voices in your head then you need to see doctor of some sort, probably someone in the psychology department. Seriously!
The problem is, BH - neither you nor people 'just from your religion' are the only ones who hear from God; and most people don't 'direcly' hear from him - impulses, instincts, intuition are part of every single one of us without exception.
I suppose all of the ancient gods talked to their priests so they could pass on their wishes and rules. Otherwise we would never have heard of them at all. The NT was simply composed of the book of the week when the Greeks were creating them. Fiction
Sorry misfit but I don't belong to a religion. I'm a child of God.
Which god are you a child of, Misfit? Perhaps we should call you Jesusette? How many virgins did he molest anyway?
And yet, your perspective is the only one that you can believe - because you are one of a select few who have been singled out by God as his child? This is one of the ways Christianity creates divisions. Hitler was as much a child of God as you are.
My bad, Misfit, my last comment was mean't for BH! Sorry!
Hitler was a child in the sense that He was of God's creation, as are all people, but Hitler wasn't family. Only through faith in Jesus Christ can you be a child of God. I could explain covenant but you wouldn't get it.
The Muslims have a movement in America today. What do you have to lose by believing in Mohammed in a Christian environment? In Galatians the converts were told that they had to be circumcised ( a Jewish requirement) Paul tells them it is not required
you were talking wrong about Bible and Jesus because you westerners living a good life in your countries because of your ancestors believed Jesus.Jesus blessed them.come to countries with some christians you will see how people are suffering
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John Gentile says
I feel sorry for you
"HIS hand is still stretched out" (Isaiah)!
READ how many times GOD SAID this in the Book of Isaiah!
GOD is MERCIFUL!
Amen to that brother
People who do believe have so much more and because of this can give (spirituality) so much more
I thank HIM every day for opening my eyes & heart 2 b "BORN AGAIN" xoxoxo
John, you can believe all you like. You can yearn to share those beliefs...that does not bother me. But if you can respect my disbelief, unconditionally, without implying I must change to your beliefs, then I can respect you likewise.
Tetelestai, it is done. He has already done it. The rest is up to us.
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Believing in Jesus Christ is not a religion.
I am as much of a realist as you will ever find. The older I get the stronger my faith in Jesus ( Yeshua ) becomes. If you do not believe in God then you do not believe in history and archaeology. The TeLDan Inscription, the Pilate Stone, etc,etc.
Damian, the Pilate Stone nor the Tel Dan inscription proves anything at all about Christianity. I don't see what you mean by their being so important to your beliefs. Can you explain?
I am taught by the Holy Spirit and I love all of you and hope to see you all in Heaven.
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One exception: Santa has no "Lake of Fire!"
If he did, he'd be evil.
Oh, GOD is "the devil?"
Blasphemy is NOT forgiven (Mark 3:29)!
Blasphemy? People accused Jesus of that as well.
I thought the Devil owned the Lake of Fire and his job is to punish those who disobey God. That makes him an employee.
Are you saying God owns hell too!?
No, God is not any 'devil' lol. But your concept that a God made an eternal pit of torture, that would make that God evil. I don't believe such a being exists, or hell, but hypothetically speaking, only evil beings would create hell.
Well, until GOD "reveals" that "The Book" (aka Bible) has LIED, it remains as WRITTEN! Therefore, if u "think" that GOD is evil, take it up w/HIM. But HE SAID "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord & the cup of devils.." (I Cor 10:21) SO you're SA
Peter had a vision to eat anything. Paul opposed Peter for stop eating with the Gentiles for fear of the Jews. Society at that time did not allow movement among classes. If at Christmas I saw trees, presents and Santa Claus. What do I have to lose?
We should all remember the "debate" over circumcision. Apostles disagreeing with each other! Heaven forbid. I suppose in some sense you can make the point that faith is intellectual.
AP: The "parable" was: "GOD HAS NO RESPECT OF PERSONS!" There's NOTHING to lose, if U BELIEVE "GRACE" (Gal 1:6-9) or "The Gospel of Christ!"
Eric: Why squeeze "intellect" into "Spiritual?" Gal 2:16 re: "circumcision" was "revealed" fm JESUS/HS!
Sorry Norine, read your NT God/HS initially revealed to the Apostles different notions on circumcision. And they got together and debated it among themselves -- person to person conversation. Then God/HS changed some of their minds. No Bible!
Peter was "WITHSTOOD" by JESUS Gal 2:11 (aka HS) speaking thru Paul & Paul's Word (aka JESUS') "STOOD" or Scripture LIES (Gal 3:23-24;Acts 10:34; Rm 2:11)! Eric, U "know" Scripture by READING!
"Dff notions?" 1 "MIND" (Phil 2:5) fm HS (Rm 12:16)!
Norine it was just revealed to me -- you are writing in tongues which no one else can understand. That sure explains a whole lot.
Norine, you mis-quote scripture again. The bible says, God is NO respecter of persons, which means what He does for one He will do for all. God doesn't care how badly people mess up Jesus has freed us from the consequence.
I guess Gal 3:28 LIED! "There is neither Jew nor Greek..." & you say I "misquote?"
"GOD HAS NO RESPECT OF PERSONS" (Rm 2:8-11) in "JUDGING/JUSTICE!"
Your problem,"The attitude of, "I am right and you better do it my way or you r damned" vs WOR
Eric, Norine is NOT 'writing in tongues' - have you never encountered someone like her? She's OBSESSED in her own scary little world. People like her R the result of religious bombardment and is the reason why people get concerned for Christians.
Eric: READ Bible verses given in order to "understand!"
MF: What do I "fear?"
Dashing, not playing Devil's Advocate at all but being an INDEPENDENT THINKER.......THINK ON & ANALYZE.........
The Bible says a woman should remain silent and let her husband speak of all things religious. But then, there were no ladies allowed to choose which books actually made up the Old an New Testaments. Some people will risk their souls on hearsay...
Pride/Ego KILLS (I Jn 2:16)! ALL one has to do is "Rely on GOD" (CREATOR) to "reveal" ALL TRUTH and not "SELF!" BELIEVE *me,* NO ONE can do a "better" job!
If Bill Gates ($47.9B) says IT makes sense (since u like world's opinion), who r u?
I don't believe in heaven or a lake of fire. We are born and we die. Maybe reincarnated, but maybe nothing. Life is what the Catholics would call Purgatory. It's like having one foot in heaven and one in hell. Maybe your life has been better.
Frump: Deep down - You believe!
It's just that: you were not "discipled" but left alone to "figure it out" w/o "guidance" fm Holy Spirit! Became disgruntled & said "What the hell!"
I HATE RELIGION!
GMW, I felt the term "Analyze" could well apply to much of Norine's rantings.
The naysayers will never make God's words go away.
Norine says "One exception: Santa has no "Lake of Fire!"
But the Egyptians did, 1600 yrs before any Christian author wrote about it. The Pits of Fire,where the enemies of Ra are consumed.
I am sorry but any moron with over a few decades of life know: Religion is for those who want to avoid Hell; Spirituality is for those who have already been there. Hell is in the heart and minds of men. We more often condemn ourselves than God does.
That is so true, Eric. BH, you don't have to read *my* hub about this (but infolinks after poll) - I only wrote it so that C's could see 'how other C's came to these conclusions'; bcuz most C's can't see why/how C-hybrids & NEW consp theories dev
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Lori Dudley says
Yes HE died for ALL!
BUT if one doesn't BELIEVE the Gospel of Christ (After the Day of Pentecost); they are "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
So, if you don't really believe and pretend to, you're gonna get punished? What kind of creator would do that, since it's his fault he made us the way we are and put us in an environment that shaped us? Makes no sense
GOD wants "PRAISE!" Don't u? HE made us for that! HE loves us so much HE gives "choice" (Josh 24:15)! BUT left instr (Bible)to "reconcile" (2Cor5:11-21)! Gave "Dominion" (Gen 1:26) to man & we messed up!Then blame HIM for wrong choices like Adam?
Norine, here in HubPages the inappropriate use of caps is regarded as shouting, which is very rude in any conversation. Will you please have a little respect? You often sound like an impertinent child.
Exactly God made us to praise Him and also to rule the world.He loves us because we are like Him
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Matthew Kirk says
Well said, except atheists who keep insisting that there is 'no god' at all - is what keeps this debate alive. While the salvation message of Jesus is bogus & designed to unite multi-pagan religions; if all knew Jesus real message, debate would s
What you have mentioned Jesus didn't teach/preach. I earn well over 100k a yr
Go to church maybe 3x a week because we want to
Think independently of others, just read my hubs
Great marriage and 4 kids
And God continues to bless
Blessed, those things R happening to you simply because U 'believe' - it is the Universal Law of Attraction - basically, what Jesus was teaching while doing 'miracles'. He was showing people who they R & what they R capable of to improve their li
Bill Gates ($79.4B) says "...there's no scientific explanation of how it [the world] came about! It MAKES SENSE to BELIEVE in GOD!"
Now, where's "your [intelligent] thinking?"
Mark 11:22-24 says have faith in God 1st then whatsoever you say without doubting you will get, paraphrasing. Bible also says all good things come from God above, believer or unbeliever. That's grace and mercy.
Yes! He does "rain on the just & unjust" (Matt5:45)! FAITH in BELIEVING HIS "rightly divided WORD" is the key to EVERYTHING & produces MORE ACTION!
Mk 6:5-6; Matt 13:58!
Grace & Mercy are part of the pagan inferiority complex that is placed upon 'believers'. If you knew the truth about yourself (that Jesus was trying to teach before his message was hijacked) - you would know that you do not need those things.
I NEED JESUS! I BELIEVE in JESUS! JESUS DIED FOR ME! WHO wouldn't LOVE JESUS! Why do you shame HIM thinking you can "Research" better? Why do you cause HIS DEATH to be in vain? Why do you display you HATE HIM? Why?
EXCELLENT PREMISE............ONE LOSES EVERYTHING WHEN ONE BECOMES RELIGIOUS-RELIGION IS VERY ANTI-LIFE........
Lose what? Ego/Pride? When 1 comes to the realization "They are the creation" & not THE CREATOR, it's easy! We enjoy life the same as unbelievers! Wine,dine, dancing, movies, bowling, etc, we just PUT GOD FIRST! What do we "give up?"
People think they lose their freedom as a Christian. Not so. Following Christ welcomes you into a supportive family where you pray for and help each other. Prohibitions are because of the impact on self or someone else. Love God and thy neighbor
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ian 12am says
It proves you are not "Christian" and if Islam you believe Allah (GOD) "never created!" Well if Allah (GOD) "never created," where did we come from?
This proves one must be careful in "what" they believe and there aren't gods to the CREATOR!
John Welford says
I can and I did start with "if". The bible is the truth whether you believe it or not. Yup religions caused a lot of harm and suffering not Jesus Christ. People that believe in evolution go to war too. So let's blame Evolution for some suffering too
Did u not see "and it is?" The "If" was for unbelievers (ICor9:19-23)!
IF u would READ Gen 1:26 "GOD gave "DOMINION" to MAN over EVERYTHING on earth!"
Therefore, blame MAN who "thought" they were so "smart" as they do today!
You can start with "if". When Christ was on the cross, he was mocked. Is it religion or those who oppose the religion who are doing the harm? Simply believing, saves the believer from those who do not believe.
BH: Are u in agreement w/Whonunuwho? To each his own? If so, you defy Scripture! ERIC: No matter how many "translations," the HOLY SPIRIT "reveals" TRUTH by "leading & guiding" those who "WAITED!"
AH: "BELIEVE "rightly divided" WORD or "ACCURSED
John, it's interesting how your whole point was that this question is hard to take seriously, and all the "BELIEVERS!!!" seemed to miss that. You make a great point. Asking "if" then asserting your certainty in the same question is ridiculous.
As GOD "TRIED" to relate to "man" (but those w/o Holy Spirit still don't 'get IT') the "IF" was for "man" (Unbelievers)! Did he not qualify statement with "and it is"?
How do you know the bible is true? It was written 200 - 300 years after Jesus. Some old monks decided what stories should go into the bible. And some of it is bull.
IF you BELIEVE GOD is the CREATOR(Gen1:1) & HE doesn't LIE (Num23:19), then you should BELIEVE what HE SAID: "I will lead & guide you into "ALL" (not SOME, but "ALL") TRUTH" (Jn 14:26;16:13)!
Then, why worry?
UNLESS, you don't BELIEVE?
It is mostly those who parade as Jesus-heads that make us reject any notion of "believing" what they say or preach. Opinionated, arrogant, self deceiving, often demeaning of other points of view; and equally often rude, insulting. Know who I mean
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Susan Grove says
Learn Things Web says
Provide a book with as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written BEFORE Bible and then tell me THE CREATOR is not THE GOD of the Universe!
What "man" could have known with such "accuracy" UNLESS from THE CREATOR?
Provide or their gods NOT GOD
Archaeology (Finkelstein, Herzog, Dever and others) clearly shows no correlation between Bible and events. It would have been cool, but no Exodus, no 10 commndmnts, no kingdms of Dvid/Solomn rather kill Bible's historicity, not2mention Dead Sea Scrls
Irrelevant! - Men LIE!
PROVIDE THE BOOK!
You bore me! I'm going to bed!
Learn Things Web- listen to the book of Galatians. People are going to stick to their religious beliefs. However, Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel to those who would not have heard his message.
JESUS spoke through Paul (Acts 9:15;Gal 1:12) to preach the Gospel of Christ (GRACE; Acts 20:24) to ALL (Gal 3:28) and if we don't preach "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
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Eric Dierker says
U do have "a choice!"
ALL in or ALL out!
Bible vs man's "writings!"
"Revelation" vs "Interpretation!"
GRACE vs LAW!
Heaven vs Hell!
It's all about "choice!"
You're not "stuck!" Scripture says "renew your mind" (Rm12:2)!
Eric, I actually respect your attitude a lot more than those who hide behind God and spout anger and hate. You at least sound like you consider your own belief, and evaluate how and why you believe what you do. That's not as easy.
Eric has developed a gentle spirit that does not impose beliefs on others; and yet, he believes in salvation and hopes to relay that belief onto others to 'help them'. A Christian like Eric is more dangerous than Norine bcuz most RUN from her, ha! )
You think the Holy Spirit doesn't "reveal" how & what one should "think" (Jn 14:26)? You think HE doesn't "reveal" ALL TRUTH? Why Misfit need to sit down and let HIM do HIS JOB!
If ANYONE doesn't BELIEVE "HE" will do as HE said, you are an unbe
Thanks Eric, a belief I can understand.
God has not nor will he take away our choice to follow Him. As some think He controls us. We who are His do go astray from time to time. So here is an example: I stop praying; sin gets into my life more, yes more, because nobody alive can not sin.
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Sam Shepards says
Joseph Ebedmelech says
How can you be sure Jesus said anything at all? The gospels were written by unknown persons and not by any apostles at all. Besides that, the earliest gospel was penned over 60 years after Jesus' death. The other gospels were over 100 + years later .
How can you be sure about anything that anybody said or wrote more than a hundred years ago? You use common sense, reasoning, knowledge, wisdom and understanding to come to a decision whether to believe it's true or not. Same with everything.
I'm sorry BH, but things from 100 years ago are well documented by photographs, newspapers, and public records. Not true in the time of the Bible's authors. Word of mouth was the main news source and the average lifespan was only 40 years or so.
I said "more than", no wonder you don't understand the bible you can't read a simple sentence. Lol. Sounds like you were there, or that you have a very good source of information. Would love to read it.
Yes, common sense, logic, reason... These things are what debunks the bible; and it is why some Christians (not all) cannot see the light of the truth - because they're convinced they'll go to hell if they believe what science has proven. Research.
An interesting discussion. It seems to me that factual stuff would never lead someone to believing. Intellectualizing faith is kind of self defeating. Those lacking spirituality just are. There is no good or bad concept attached to it.
CM what came first, the creator or the created? You cannot find God through science. That's backwards. But God will make science a whole lot more relevant when He is the source of all truth and knowledge. Jesus came to restore Gen 1:26-28.
I was asked what if Buddha or another god came back first? I thought Jesus was white, till I found out that God is black. In Revelation they sang a new song to the lamb. Salvation is offered to those who are condemned. What do have to lose? Believe!
It doesn't have anything at all to do with 'intellectualizing'. Be brave, it is AMAZING what a few facts can bring to light! Read my hub, I lay life out via Jesus' original message in a plain way - it isn't complicated. There is no condemnation!
I think that on reflection you will see my point. All the logic and proof in the world, and laid out explainable positions will not produce a relationship with God.It is like treating depression with aspirin. Proof and explain-ability cannot foster.
I'm not trying to produce a relationship with God for anyone - I'm trying to get you to see that there is more to God than we have been taught; and Jesus' original message is much more powerful. Of course, you don't know that bcuz you FEAR facts.
BH, all of the media mentioned are well over 100 years old and some are much older. In fact, the Romans kept meticulous records so why did such a miracle worker as Jr was said to be not mentioned in any writings at any time for more than 60 years?
In Galatians 1: 17, Paul said that he did not go to Jerusalem, nor met with the disciples. Yet in Acts 9:20 he met the disciples in Jerusalem. I watched America's got Talent tonight. In heaven, the weatherman can only predict snow. What Color? Who kn
Jesus was called the Son of God so was caesar, which son of God do you think they are going to write about. Claiming to be a king in the Roman empire was punishable by death but why didn't pontias pilate want to do so after Jesus acknowledged he was?
Jesus clarified who he was 'king' over for Pilate, and he saw that he wasn't a threat to the state crown. It is interesting that you mention Caesar being 'god', also - the 'Imperial Cult' is one that became meshed with Christianity to unite Rome.
Catherine, I think I see now what you are getting at. I certainly did not mean to discount your opinion and the point you are trying to make.
Right. Its not that I don't believe in Jesus at all - its that most people (not all) have his original messages twisted because of the pagan slants that were incorporated centuries later. If the pagan twists weren't harmful - I really would not care.
Catherine, it is really quite strange that most Christians get to know Christ through the Bible. NKJV - really? Council of Nicea - really? Some books like "Wisdom" not in some Bibles? Belief simply must be extraordinary or not at all.
I did not inherit my faith from any human person I got my faith as a gift from the Holy Spirit. Jesus was not just a man He is God.
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Ann Leavitt says
There's no proof JC said anything at all, Jane. All of the gospels are simply hearsay written long after he was supposed to have lived. So in reality, Jesus said nothing of the sort. Sorry....
True. Randy is an expert in naysaying, nothing else.
In the Bible Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father.
John 14:9 King James Version
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
Actually no, BH, but I have taken the time to research the Bible's history as to how it came to be rather than risk my soul on a complete fabrication as you apparently have done. When someone says, "Jesus said..." they don't know doodley squat!
Randy you do not HAVE to believe the scriptures. That is your own decision.
I already knew that without your permission, Rick. Time was this wasn't possible as one could be murdered for such by Christians. You could have ratted on me back then--judged me if you want to refer to it that way--and I would have been "purified".
You are stuck in the nay saying mode and speaking against God. Satan has your heart. Jesus loves you and I love you in Jesus.
People who R trying to get the truth about God across to people who are generally misinformed are not 'speaking against God' nor 'naysaying'. Its the 21st Century - time to become informed. The gospels were proven pagan manipulations a long time ago.
God is the Father Son and Holy Spirit and nobody without Jesus can stop us.
And you are stuck in the dark ages. Rick. Have you even researched the origin of the Bible at all? I'll wager you inherited your religion as most do. Thank goodness these supernatural beliefs are dying out as people are better educated, Rick.
Lol Jesus loves you and I love you in Jesus.
You are indeed a Xtian, Rick. You like to preach but don't care to answer questions about your beliefs. You really don't know much about your faith, do you?
I know what I know about my own faith. But who has asked me questions about my faith?
The truth about the reality of the message that Jesus (a real human being) was actually teaching is so much more powerful than what most C's have in their head. Plus, there is no inferiority complex to impose upon your kids. Reseach is life-giving.
Okay Rick, here's a question about your faith. Did you inherit your faith from your family, or did you examine all of the possibilities and then choose the familiar one?
The Holy Spirit is life giving through Jesus. Praise the name of Jesus!!
Preach on, Rick! Jesus never existed you know. The Jews knew that long ago but you guys are still living a lie. Good luck with that!
Actually, Rick is responding the way C's are taught to respond - and he's feeling awfully smug about it, I'm sure. He's got your goat, ha! Whatever. That truth is twisted, and most people embedded into it don't care to untwist it - or, they would.
Thank you Randy for your nice encouragement.
The same God created each and every one of us. Man makes errors God does not. Jesus loves us and He went to the cross for us. What a person believes is up to them. Each has his own relationship or lack there of. The prophesy is there.
God doesn't make errors, Damian? What about the great flood? He didn't see the fall of mankind coming before he drowned everyone and most of the innocent animals? Of course, even you probably don't believe the plagiarized tale of the flood, or do you
I believe in the Bible. If some of it seems supernatural it is just that. I also believe in history and archaeology. I mentioned Tel Dan because it shows there was a King David and a House of David. Pilate stone denotes the governor of Judea.
The problem Damian, is simply because the Bible mentions well known people and places. doesn't prove the bible is accurate in other claims. Gone With The Wind also used real people and places--Atlanta, Lincoln--but the story itself was fiction.
Perhaps but if you consider the Old Testament one would have to believe in an awful lot of coincidence. The prophesies have come to pass.
Hoping you are well Randy and when will you be writing another one of those very enjoyable stories of yours?
Pleased we can disagree without rancor, Damian. :) I'm working on another tale as we speak. Rather long, I'm afraid. LOL! What prophesies?
Destruction of the Great Temple still in ruins today. May 14, 1948 Israel becoming a nation again. Psalm 22 and the for telling of the crucifixion written before crucifixion was even invented. Waiting 8 days to circumcise a male baby. 1932 coagu
Are these prophesies after the fact or even events meant to make the prophesies come true, Damian? And there's the prophesy of the Messiah being a great military leader, and well, he wasn't. One of the reasons the Jews didn't recognize JC as the one.
In Revelation He is that great military leader. Psalms is Old Testament and written centuries before Christ. Not sure on the make it fit thing. You obviously believe in great coincidence and I simply do not. How is it that you know the Bible well
I too was intended to inherit my beliefs from my parents, Damian. However, I disobey the preachers and delved into what is actually know about the Bible and it's authors. Other than places and well known rulers, there's not much evidence of truth.
Misfit could you please tell me where the "real" message of Jesus is documented that you keep referring to.
I wrote a hub detailing it, but you can do your own research on things like why so many Christians have been deconverting into Kabbalah & Buddhism - along with the huge controversy on Paul's teachings. Also, why are there C-versions of yoga &
this is really interesting. I guess I will have to go find reasons for my faith.
I was a C once. I lost my beliefs bcuz I was trying to confirm them - I had questions. That is how most peeps start out - not to 'find reasons' for our faith. Many C's discover this & stay in church - I might have had it been acceptible back then
For both the believer and the non-believer. Do you really think that God thinks that He has to fit in our little boxes and make clear for our reasonability and rational. If we do then we are even more naïve than we think. He is God. We are not.
Misfit - I really tried reading your hub, but it never really gets to the issue of Jesus' main message. It's a lot of gnosticism, scepticism and Scientology trying to use man's reasoning to discredit the bible. Man's arrogance will always blame God.
That isn't true, I may have an intro that is too long for you (sorry, I give a little background) - but there is a heading towards the top that is called: 'What was the original message of Christ' that goes into John 3. I didn't discover it on my own
Misfit, you mentioned John 3. That chapter is filled with a lot of being born again. You must be born again to see the Kingdom. I was just like you before with no conversations about it. I thought I was a Christian but was not.
You haven't heard about current re-interpretations yet, Rick. There are reasons why many C's are altering beliefs - *I* didn't come up with them. I have a few links at the top that are good places to start researching from. Changes R not easy or fast
Re - interpretations of what or Who?
The born again message preached to Nicodemus is an allegory, a concealed truth. Which is why Jesus said that carnally minded people won't get it. The "water" He talks about is not baptism but rather the water of the womb. Truth is hidden for us.
Randy I thought I answered the question about my faith. But I cannot find my answer to it. So here it is no I did not inherit my faith from my parents. I got it from the Holy Spirit then confessed and I asked Jesus in and been blessed ever since.
You are correct.Jesus didn't told anything about the life on earth but He told about the life in paradise.But through life struggles He will help us to live in the world.
Jesus said if we must be born again to see the kingdom of God.
Rick Myres what is mean by "Born again"
Born of the water (your mother) then born of the blood of Jesus. Spiritually.
Being "born again" is covenant speech which Jews should understand which is why Jesus was so hard on Nicodemus, a Pharisee an expert in the covenants of God. Through the blood covenant of Jesus we who believe are adopted 'born again' into God's famil
So Rick, you simply made a wild stab at religion and came away a Xtian? LOL! So none of your family had been religious before you? Tell the truth if you can.
Oh made a stab AT religion? Not really. I live by faith in Jesus. Thanks for asking.
What is the current controversy around Paul's teachings? It doesn't sound like any of you are aware of it. Yes, the story between J & N is different than the pagan slant that C's have been taught. Paul & J's message was exactly the same.
Imagine that? Paul said some of the same things Jesus did. It was because Paul became a true believer of and in Jesus.
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Tamara Wilhite says
God's O.T. morality is a joke... Adam/Eve with NO knowledge of good/evil are tested. Eve couldn't have sinned if she had no knowledge of sin. It's a fable anyway, but how silly! The God drowns all but 8 of his children! O.T slavery? Joke. Rape? Joke,
Nude: GOD gave LAW: "DO NOT EAT...but "ate" therefore "sin!"
GOD is THE CREATOR & got TIRED of sin via man as HE is TODAY!
"Not w/water but FIRE next time" (II Pet 3:1-10)!
Watch for "the joke!"
See who laughs last!
Nudely what makes your professors and archaeologists credible but Christian ones not? Surely not their titles, maybe their evidence? How many millions take them seriously? And a YouTube channel, man that is some serious creds right there. Please
Since Nude has so much "evidence," Provide a book with as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written before the Bible which would prove Bible a LIE!
You're good @ researching Nude! So Provide!
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"I will never rule out that a God exists in the universe"
"And I will pray to a Big God"-Peter Gabriel-
This is the best answer I've seen in here, yet - that is exactly right. It isn't that 'God' doesn't care, he/she is incapable of perceiving our physical reality as we do. He can only 'read hearts' and is all-understanding. No judgements. Research.
Cheap trick - what song comes after"Big Time" on that Peter Gabriel album?
"We Do What We're Told".
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Simona Rich says
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God bless you and hang in there my dear sister in Christ! I know what you mean about sharing Jesus with others especially online. The world is indeed blinded by Satan and his lies. Their spiritual blindness can only be cured by the Holy Spirit.
Renata Kell says
Thank you my sister (I think), couldn't have said it better myself. Funny how a simple question can get people so riled up.
Mr Anonymous says
God has a chosen people. Africa has no snow. The British offer education to a percentage of the population in their territory. Jesus Christ through Paul offers salvation to those who were on their way to their religion's hell.
Chris Mills says
I couldn't have spelled it better, Chris my friend. :P My sentiments exactly.
Forget truth, just bet on the possibilities. Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or Paganism. What if one of these bets is almost sure to win, what are the odds? Some of us never really lived the best life in this lifetime.
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Shyron E Shenko says
I totally agree with you. God bless you!
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neat, learn something today
Excellent. Learning is fantastic. What did you learn?
Can't seem to post on your article Kwade. But your story is very similar to mine. Only difference is I rebelled first against God then against mainstream church doctrine and decided to find out who God was for my outside of church. And I did.
You and every other person who is convinced that the truth they have come up with is 'the right one'. Christians view their religion to be 'good' - but, what are the fruits that hang off of it? Major inferiority complexes in kids & adults is a st
I didn't come up with the truth I just believed it.
Maybe, many Christians have discovered the truth and have things in perspective - but, I haven't gotten that impression from you. What do you believe 'the truth' is; and why do you believe it? Is it because of a book written by manipulative killers?
MF: Why do u continue to display unbelief in the Power of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:9)? You don't believe Holy Spirit has Power? You don't believe JESUS (aka Holy Spirit) will "lead & guide us into ALL truth?"
I believe in Jesus Christ, everything He said and everything He did. He is THE TRUTH. He is the expressed image of God. See Jesus you see God.
Amen! For there is "ONE SPIRIT" not three different entities (Trinity)! GOD operates in "GLORIES" throughout Scripture! We do too IF "in Christ!" II Cor 3:18 says we "change fm "glory to glory" (the same as GOD) by the SPIRIT..." We Christlike 2
Huh, Hubpages was being odd about this article and comments. I didn't see all the comments here before now. It cracks me up that the "believers" can rarely have a discussion about it. It's always declarations, or attempted conversions. Sad, really.
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Virginia Allain says
When JESUS has given US "authority" to trample on snakes & scorpions (Lk 10:19) & told US "anything you ask in my name, I will do" (Jn 14:13), where's the problem? WORD tells you! UNBELIEF (Heb 13:9) in "rightly divided Word" (II Tim 2:15)!
Only 2 people to blame for things going wrong in my life, me and the devil. A good parent will let a stubborn child learn by experience but be there to help in any way when the wheels come. That's the loving Heavenly Father.
Devil" No Problem - He's already been defeated (Rev) sooooo; WE ARE OUR PROBLEM in that we "DON'T "BELIEVE" WHAT "HE" HAS SAID IN HIS WORD" or haven't READ WORD to found out our entitlements!
So Blessed Hill did you mean to say when the wheels come off? And if so why does the :Heavenly Father" never help people when they need it?
Yes I did Aldari. God responds to faith not need. When I acknowledge that I need His help, He will. That's faith. If He responded to need there wouldn't be poverty in the world. Poverty is man's fault, not God's.
So how do you explain people who have unwavering faith that go to church, volunteer, are just amazing people. But they get a screwed in life?
If you have unwavering faith expect to heaps of opposition, tests and trials. Why? Because God allows it so that we exercise our authority and dominion on the earth and establish His kingdom. We are called to battle, destined to Win!
Honestly, 'good' people get screwed because of their negative 'beliefs' surrounding the gargantuan inferiority complex the 'salvation' message (or other religious dogma) has been imposed upon them. It opposes truth messes with their spiritual balance
That's contrary to what Jesus said in Matthew 5. We will have persecution in this life for His name sake. The devil is not going to just lay down and let us have what he has stolen. He will do his best to turn people against us to. Jesus said that to
Jesus didn't say anything in Matthew as the author of that particular book is unknown. It's hearsay at the very best, BH. Plus that particular gospel was written a lifetime after the supposed death of Jr.
You seriously need to research where the gospels came from. Hundreds of gospels were destroyed while 4 'approved' were saved - and assigned authors. Jesus & Paul's message was the same with the four gospels being pagan manipulations to unite Rome
For one, our faith is supposed to be in God. The reason you don't like the message of the Gospels is because you fear losing control. You have trust issues, so you find a no blame doctrine with no accountability. U blame God wth a victim mentality.
You're kidding, right? The 'victim mentality' within Christianity is the pagan deception that humans are born as 'unworthy sinners'. C's blame God and/or Satan for EVERYTHING - they see themselves as having no responsiblity for anything. Flip, much?
The Christianity ur describing is not the one I'm living. I think ur describing religion. Jesus has restored me to my rightful place as a king and a priest. It's my responsibility to walk in that anointing. To rule over circumstances not people
BH, if you are a king and a priest then I am a god. As long as we're being ridiculous.......
Religious peeps always say that, ha! Actually, if we are 'just like Jesus' (which we are) - we are all gods capable of doing everything he was capable of and more THRU our own 'christos' that is just like his. No pagan beliefs in him needed. :)
Now ur starting to get the idea Randy. U can't have your "own christos" apart from Christ.
We could not exist without a 'christos' - it is our battery, our lifeforce. We could not BREATHE without it. It is part of our entire being - everyone's. Christians are denied that truth, putting them (and the world) out of balance. Chaos galore!
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David Pollard says
In Galatians 1:17, Paul said that he did not go to Jerusalem, nor met with the disciples. In Acts, 9:26 he went to Jerusalem and met with the disciples. I taught factoring, and was told to use only one method. The method approved by the institution.
I believe that the genealogy is there to show the link to King David. The historic finding of the artifact called the Tel Dan Inscription in the thirteenth century clearly denotes that there was such a person ( King David ) and a House of David.
The Jews meticulously kept genealogies. Matthew, a Jewish man, stood by tradition in stating the man Joseph's genealogy. Luke, a gentile, the same one who said Jesus was the "son of Joseph, so they thought," broke from tradition and stated Mary's.
Yes, there are a million & 1 ways to 'prove' Jesus existed; but getting Christians to believe that the manipulated salvation message has been harmful to them, their kids and the entire world is another matter, entirely. There R obvious errors pro
Really? Name a couple dozen right quick. LOL!
Christians R not the stupidest people on the planet - and your dogma is as dangerous as theirs. It is in fact one of the main reasons WHY nothing about Christianity ever changes - bcuz atheist also refuse to research. Truth = Freedom 4 All Be Brave!
Out of "a million & 1 ways to 'prove' Jesus existed" you could not come up with even the one? Oh but you know them, right? LOL
Like I said, I wrote a long hub about it - it is the 1st one in my spotlight articles. Yes, there IS 'proof' that a Universal 'God' exists. Read it and weep. You're wrong.
AP: Paul was NOT "accepted" by apostles in Acts9:26 so they didn't "teach" him (Gal1:12) so he wasn't "with them!"
Randy: Provide a bk w/as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies & "prove" there's NO GOD!
MF: "Research" DEFIES SCRIPTURE (Prov3:5)!
@DAVID, thank you.
Dav: THE CREATOR (aka GOD/HOLY SPIRIT) "reveals" LIES (Jn 14:26)! "Genealogy" in Bible shows how GOD "protects HIS people" (even KILL) to "accomplish HIS will" (JESUS) & to show "man's thinking" of how JESUS came via man! GREAT ALLEGORY!
They had a bunch of wine drinking monks write the bible 200 to 300 years after Jesus. And we all know no virgin can have a baby unless she is artificially inseminated.
But WHO "guided those "drunken minds?" With GOD ALL things are possible" (Lk 1:37) & can inspire "drunken minds" too (II Tim 3:16)! I found HIM "drunk!"
Yup! "Overshadowed" by the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS/GOD) as stated in Lk 1:35!
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Krzysztof Willman says
If I had to spend eternity in heaven with people who believe in fairy tales it would be more like hell than anything else, Rick. I couldn't abide all of the praising god and singing, especially church music. LOL! Please don't pray to your god for me!
Michael McNabb says
God, never created evil, sin etc. When you were a believer what did you believe? I don't think you believed in the God of the bible. Free will is the cause of all mankind's misery but ultimately it's our greatest blessing. Use it wisely.
BH: Is 45:7!
MM: What do we "stand to lose?" Healing which I recently exp'd?
If u created robot, wouldn't u be jealous if he obtained mind of own & destroy? Gen1:26 HE gave DOMINION to u so u could (free will) create evil,sin, Flood..." MAN DID
Make a hub. If you are the child of black parents and punished once, you probably will commit the offence again; punished twice, you probably will do it again, but after three punishments, the parent either got it right, or leave you to sin.
AH: If that's what you "feel," you make a HUB!
Bless your heart, Michael,
The questions that you ask reflect the unfortunate truth about most believers and ex-believers.... they never learned the nature of God in Sunday School or Bible Study..... God still believes in you.... :)
"His Hand is still stretched out"
(Is 5:12;25;8:11;9:17;21;10:4;13;13:7;14:2723:11; 25:11;26:11)
but one has a choice (Josh 24:15)
and must BELIEVE (Heb 3:19)
in "rightly divided" WORD (II Tim 2:15)!
The reason why atheists turn from Christianity is because 'salvation' is obviously a manipulated story to unite pagans. But, atheist throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is a REASON WHY Jesus message was tampered with. We all need to find it.
MF: To lose souls like you who believe they can "research" and "reveal" better than the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS)!
Blessed, your god created Satan as you would know if you were a real xtian. did you inherit your religious beliefs as well? Be honest now as Norine has avoided answering this question. A real xtian would tell the truth. Which are you?
I came to the knowledge of Christ all by myself at the age of 13 because I was afraid of going to hell. Life went down hill till I hit rock bottom early 20s. Had explored other religions, no joy. Bought bible and found real Jesus or He found me.
I have REPEATEDLY said on HP, I rebelled against the "traditions" of parents who are now both dead! Was in a drunken stupor when HE "chose" me because HE saw I was TRULY tired of trying to do it *my* way (Humbled myself; 2Chron7:14) w/"PURE HEART!"
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People are religious based upon fear. They also want someone to take care of them. Personal adult responsibility is VERY DAUNTING to such people.
What? Fear? lol My FAITH in JESUS healed me of 4th Stage Cancer! Fear what?
Take care of them? 25yrs retired Federal Govt! Real Estate agent! Married to 100% disabled Vet who was barber! Your perception ERRS!
What is "VERY DAUNTING" is "UNBELIEF!"
The Bible was written starting 2000 years before Christ, up to about 60 years after his birth. Where'd this 2-300 years after idea come from?
You believe God created the universe, but you don't believe that he knew how to inseminate Mary?
The problem with Christians is that they don't seem to be able to believe in a God or a Christ Consciousness (KoG within) without 'Jesus' in the mix - when that is exactly what he came to teach people in order to FREE them from pagan BS & bondage
More importantly, He came to pay the price of our sins, so that we can be cleansed, and live with him and our Father again.
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JJ Tyson says
Crystal Washington says
Very good point. How many families have been torn apart by Christian 'beliefs'? My story is similar, except it is my mother that sees me as 'insane' and 'going to hell' - so, rejection. I haven't seen her in three years and it has been excrutiating.
When you stand before God one day and He asks you to give an account of your life He gave you, all those excuses and accusations will not hold water. He's going to say, "that's all fine and well, but what did you do with Jesus?" nothing else matters
Read the entire book of Galatians.
I have heard it said many times, God does not need rest. This is an assumption, God did rest on the Sabbath day; not man. This is why God commands keep the Sabbath holy, to stay out of trouble, not worship him.
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Ashae Harris says
Awesome, absolute truth. I do disagree on the 2nd coming part though but that's ok.
BH: You're NOT a BELIEVER if you blv the LAW still stands! JESUS "fulfilled" LAW! LAW is for "the unrighteous" (I Tim 1:9) so maybe it does still stand for you guys!
You obviously didn't read what Ashae just wrote, believing in Jesus frees us from the curse of the law. She was quoting scripture. In fact all people are free from the curse of the law most just don't know it yet. Which is why I preach good news.
What "Good News" do u preach? Baptizing in Jesus' Name (Acts2:38)? No more LAW but GRACE (Rm 11:6)? GOD is ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)? CHRIST has DONE IT ALL; no more "rituals" (Communion) Heb/I Cor 11? What PART do u preach?
Jesus came to debunk the 'pagan laws' of men and 'fulfill' a DIFFERENT old 'jewish law' of Kabbalah - there is more than one. "I am the way the truth and the light" refers to HIS CHRISTOS (KoG) within that exists within us all; NOT 'him' personally.
MF: The KoG DOES NOT exist in those who DO NOT "BELIEVE!"
Give Scripture where the KoG exists in "ALL" even unbelievers!
BH & NW, do you know Paul's epistles PRECEDE the Gospels by 1/2 to several decades? Why Paul nevr mention quotes fr. Jesus? Why Paul nevr cite miracles? Paul belvd in a celestial Jesus, not earth. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbvhZc96
Paul didn't "walk the earth" w/JESUS but he got "revelation" directly from JESUS (aka Holy Spirit; Gal 1:12; Acts 1:2="Chosen" Acts 9:15)! He was "in Christ's stead" (II Cor 5:20) & had same Power (Acts 19:11-12)! Quote fm JESUS "I Cor11:24-25!
Right, there is a HUGE controversy surrounding Paul's teachings. Christians should all be aware of that part, at least. Human beings nor any other living thing could not EXIST w/o KoG within - it is our battery, our lifeforce. Body dies w/o it.
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Glenis Rix says
Glen: Jesus was not a "human being like the rest of us" that's why they killed HIM saying "HE was equal to GOD" in Jn 5:18 (and HE doesn't LIE) and HE was for HE was GOD (I Tim 3:16)!
I believe the author of this hub posted from the perspective of a believer and it has led to some people (believers) getting hurt. These discussions always end up hurting someone. The answer to the question what do you have to lose is self evident.
Michael--When ignorant people make claims of gods and state unproven opinions which don't agree with the facts, they set themselves to be hurt. Of course, many of them just keep spewing religious garbage even if someone proves them wrong.
Have you not read my comments?
Again, Bill Gates ($47.9B) richest man in US BELIEVES IN GOD? You should be so "IGNORANT!"
If resources or proof required, he has it; yet believes which should tell one "THIS IS A SPIRITUAL JOURNEY" beyond "facts!"
Randy you are exactly right. But, I have to wonder why they keep doing it to themselves. It's like they feel they are defending god. Why would such a great and mighty god need them to come to his defense?
Michael--Norine and others have been brainwashed from their early years to not question the Bible. Of course, these ladies ignore the scripture which tells them not to speak out about religion in a public place. But Norine won't speak of this.
HE'S GOD & LOVES PRAISE! We praise HIM! HE doesn't need us, we need HIM for HE SAID HE would make "rocks cry out" (Lk 19:40) or praise HIM if we don't!
What do u have to lose? Bill Gates ain't worried! Why u?
That's right Norine, keep going against the scripture and speaking out about religion. You're going to hell if you don't stop sinning. Do you ever answer questions? Probably not, you'd have to have answers to do so.
IF u FOOLS are referring to I Cor 14:15 you are IGNORANT to WORD. It says "...women keep SILENCE in the church..." not SILENT!" YOU FOOLS! A threatened "man" interpreted It the way u thk! lol
Michael, Randy- this question did exactly what I wanted it to do. Give believers the opportunity to profess their faith and show how naysayers avoid answering the question or give reasons that are irrelevant or unsubstantiated. Believing is free
It is not your place to tell anyone that the reasons for their beliefs are irrelevant or unsubstantiated. And just when I thought maybe you weren't being as superficial with this question as I had originally thought. My bad.
Aime F you misunderstand. I'm not saying there beliefs are irrelevant but reasons for not answering the question. The question is designed to provoke pple to investigate what they belve not attack what others believe. Apologies for misunderstanding
BH: Wow u sound "politically correct!" Titus 1:13 says "THIS WITNESS IS TRUE. Wherefore REBUKE THEM "SHARPLY," that they may be sound in the faith." or Lev 19:17 "REBUKE!"
I guess that's why I moved to the dungeon not "religiously correct?"
I want God to be real as much or more than anybody. It's not my fault that he is not real. I would never deny him if he were something more than imagination but he is not. He is not the creator, nor the Shepard or Savior he is just a hoax.
No you don't ! You just want to have fun "mocking" HIM but you BLASPHEME against the Holy Spirit by doing so!!
Since u r worldly, I cont to ask, why would Gates believe who has enough $ to find out there's no GOD but still believes? Ask urself WHY?
Many in the world are not accepting Jesus,but in our country many of them started believing Jesus as God.
SCRIPTURE "WILL BE" FULFILLED!
Matthew 24:14 "And THIS GOSPEL of The Kingdom of God (Gal 1:6-9) shall be preached in ALL THE WORLD for a WITNESS unto ALL NATIONS; AND THEN SHALL THE END COME!"
PRAISE HIS "HOLY" NAME - "JESUS!"
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Amen! Speaking of making the most of your time here on Earth, check out this video:
I agree Dianne, faith usually goes completely against our natural way of thinking and doing. It takes real courage to live a faith life because like you said it is not rational and the evidence of your faith is only after the fact. Time is the test
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Yoleen Lucas says
You got it!
There is a GOD and don't "piss HIM off!"
They "turn on & off" their belief to suit them ("cherry pick") or haven't been taught the "other side of GOD!"
"It's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living GOD" (Heb 10:31)!
As a proponent of a clothing-optional society, I can tell you nudity is NOT god's pet peeve. He made Adam & Eve naked, told Isaiah to preach naked for three years (Is 20:2-3) and even Jesus disrobed in John 13:4-5 . See Gospel of Thomas Logion 3
As HE makes all (LIES) "naked!" HE "reveals" who is and who ain't!
We will all come before HIM "naked" (open & honest; "pure heart") IF we want to serve HIM!
It has been proven there are no gods so many times but these people just keep on foolishly believing. It will never end because they are too afraid to face their own mortality.
How little you know of a BELIEVER!
II Corinthians 5:8 says "We are CONFIDENT, I say, and WILLING RATHER to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
Who wouldn't "rather" being here w/all these "intelligent" people?
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Youssef Kada says
Very philosophical answer which isn't actually an answer. It's an explanation of why you don't want to answer the question. You are correct in one area, faith is a journey either towards or away from God. The journey starts with a choice. Make one.
I finally decide to be a Stoogist. My God Moe and the other gods dislike the Xtian god because he molested a 13 year old child who was engaged to another man. Why didn't he simply find his own female. Whoop, woop, woop, my sisters! LOL!
She consented. Make sure you know what you are talking about before you spout BS. Makes you look like a stooge.
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You misinterpret $ spoken of! Bill Gates is a BELIEVER! If he had DOUBT, he has enough $ to research "non-existence" but KNOWS-ALL SPIRITUAL is what's said!
GOD is not "love" to unbelievers (Matt 23;Titus1:13;2:15;Lev19:17;Matt 16:23;ITim 4:2;5:20+
I'm sooooo sorry! Look what RELIGION has done! MY GOD! We can't "keep it to ourselves" are we aren't disciples! Jn 14:15 "If u love me keep my commands!" Matt 28:19 "TEACH ALL nations!" We MUST! I pray for the entire world for RELIGION KILLS!
God is African. African people are going to be loyal. The other races are commanded to love God and their neighbor. Those who upset the system will be recognized. Peter was called to lead the church after the "rapture", hence Catholicism.
JESUS may have been born in the part of the world where they are dark skinned but GOD is a SPIRIT (Jn 4:23-24) so how can u say a SPIRIT is Black?
I asked u to email me your belief has been persuaded!
READ Gal 3:28!
That is right we CANNOT keep it to ourselves. Jesus said if we do, even the stones will cry out.
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News of the Year says
Defense -HERE GOES. Africa existed before Genesis. White people sold to him as slaves. Sickness and disease come from white people. Sabbath - God's day of rest. He needs someone who does not rest on the Sabbath -Jesus. How about trying lemon tea?
News of the Year, on the bigger issue of the question presented to us, I am definitely in your corner. But on this topic, I think the "Leviticus Cure" is ceremonial and sacrificial, which is in keeping with the book of Leviticus, not curative.
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Jesus is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Juliet Jules says
After Joseph, Pharoah arose. The old testament is about God sending prophets to the Israelites. The Sabbath is God's day of rest. God's power was transferred to His son, Jesus. The new church was built on Peter. Paul head the mission to the Gentiles.
AP: Not TRUE! I Tim 3:16 say "GOD manifested [HIMSELF] in the flesh"Jn 5:18 & Phil 2:6 JESUS CHRIST "equal w/GOD!" JESUS & GOD="SAME SPIRIT" (I Cor 12;Eph4:4-6;Is45:5;Rev1:8;22:13) in diff "GLORIES" (Jn1:14)!
"Was Bible written by Jesus Christ Or God?"
Interesting point! Jesus never wrote any books, and neither did some Cosmic Deity!
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Shontrice Rean says
You forgot sex and rock n' roll.
What a wonderful world if this is true, accepting repentance.
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Taylor Brown says
The reason "if" is okay is because, "If Egypt is in Africa and it is". Suffering is blamed on religion, but the aim of religion is to take one out of the harm and suffering. However, if one goes back to ways of Egypt, then it is back to suffering.
PROBLEM: "following a religion" and not the HOLY SPIRIT!
Let me try again. "If Egypt is in Africa,and it is; obey the 10 commandments". If you break the commandments, it is back to suffering. Then, God has to find another way to heal and end suffering. In addition God offers salvation to believers.
If Bible is true, then everything that surrounds us is false. God appears 2 hav made earth's creatures by evolutn, made stars millions lightyears away, made continents drift, made dinosaurs...all illusions! Ignore what u see, beleve only in god huh?
AP: "10 Commandments WERE our Schoolmaster but after FAITH comes we no longer need them" (Gal 3:23-24)! What r u talking?
Nude: "Ignore what u see?" This is SPIRITUAL not carnal ("seeing" w/natural eyes!)! What r u talking?
Evolution is man's poor attempt to explain creation with limited knowledge and understanding, which is why it's still a THEORY. People can't grasp concept of the vastness of the universe because they're bound by time. U need an eternal perspective
II Cor 4:18 "While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are TEMPORAL; but the things which are not seen are ETERNAL."
Blessed, you realize a scientific theory is not the same thing as a colloquial theory, right? A theory is as high as it gets in science, it's a collection of proven facts that support the same conclusion.
Why do Jews and Christians before our current time believe the creation story to be a metaphor - but, Christians today (again) take it literally? Sure you 'get good' from The Bible as any bad book, along with the twists that have been misinterpreted.
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Thanks for sharing your faith Rawarauf.
BH: I wonder why you (if a Christ Follower) don't "CORRECT!" You said Thank u & let the soul believe in error! Why? Why do we "go along to get along" or appease each other? Don't u know their blood is on ur hands?
I am going to tell you something, not to discourage your religion. The Olympics just ended. I am sure it was not all fun and joy for the athletes to attain greatness.
My responsibility is to share God's love and grace with people. I refuse to do the Holy Spirits work.
Give Scripture stating BELIEVERS (Disciples of Christ) or to "share God's love and grace w/people."
IF we love HIM (Jn 21:15-17) We "FEED HIS SHEEP" w/WORD!
Who told u this?
Who are the sheep, believers or non-believers? What message are you sharing? The message of the cross is a message of love and grace because every person born of a woman deserved that death not Jesus. If that's in your face tough. Don't lke it tough
Big deal that Jesus was crucified! He knew he'd simply be brought back to life by his dad. LOL! So what did JC sacrifice? According to you guys his dad can give him as many new lives as he wants.
I wonder if your dad said, "hey Randy, I really love all people, every single miserable one. I want to sacrifice you so that I can save them. Don't worry I will bring you back to life 3 days later, no worries." Bet you would jump at the opportunity
Of course I would, BH! I could save everyone I loved and come back in a few days if god was my old man. Or are you saying JC didn't who his Pa was? Or what?
BH: Lk 5:32 "I came not to save the "righteous" (thk they r) but sinners (sheep) to repentance!" WORD @ ya!
Righteous don't BELIEVE for they "thk" they're right! Tell TRUTH!
Msg of cross love & grace to believers!
Unblvr was "in ur face"w/no c
All religions R tainted with age & human manipulation. They all have truth within them. Islam sees Jesus as a prophet and are WELL-AWARE that 'trinity' is a pagan manipulation. But, they still overly-glorify him and misunderstand his human messag
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BERNARD LEVINE says
Hallelujah, praise you Lord for your goodness, your grace, your loving kindness and everlasting mercy. Jesus be exalted and God be magnified. Amen.
Rick Myres says
Alice Fedd says
I still wonder why their "excuse" is no "proof" when the richest man in the US who has every "resource" to find "proof," BELIEVES!
LOL no, probably not "something underlying." You're really reaching now, Norine.
What's your point, Norine? What does your handbook say about rich folks getting into heaven? Yes I know, you don't answer questions. LOL!
They have a better chance than an "UNBELIEVER" (Heb 13:9)!
"Reaching" where? Tell me!
You think that money can find proof of God?
$=Access to ANYTHING to find proof HE doesn't exist! But he's intelligent enough to KNOW "IT IS A SPIRITUAL JOURNEY" beyond "mere-man" or money!
Now that's INTELLIGENCE!
It gives resource to find that GOD does NOT exist but Gates doesn't bother! Why? Because he's INTELLIGENT enough to KNOW "THIS IS A "SPIRITUAL" JOURNEY" not as you "intelligent" unbelievers on HP!
Again, "Something underlying?"
Nothing underlying at all. You're merely to lazy to find out the truth about the Bible. You base your entire belief on hearsay and not what we know as the truth. Fools rush in....
Again, you can't prove a non-existence. If you claim that it does exist then you are required to provide the proof. His belief has nothing to do with money and thus his having money makes his beliefs no more valuable than anyone else's.
I have my proof - U doubt! I BELIEVE so intensely until actions are manifested in MY life! Again, prove me wrong-Provide book or r u "2 lazy?"
Oh but if he had "doubt," he would hire to "research!" But his "intelligence" tells him, ALL SPIRITUAL!
So how strong is your faith really, Norine? Some ancient gods required human sacrifices and their believers happily offered their children for the ritual because they BELIEVED in their god and his priests. Is your faith as strong as theirs?
There are plenty of intelligent and well-off atheists, too. As I said, you've concocted a non-argument because you're reaching for something. And you missed so now you're rambling about books again. Yawn.
No Atheist has as many resources ($) as Bill Gates to research if non-existence was an issue! lol You're busted!
Man, u don't know Scripture or u would know we live under GRACE and MERCY & NO ONE has to "sacrifice"-CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL (Heb)
Your whole point appears to be that he has the resources but he's not even using them for that because he believes, so how on earth does it matter if no one is as rich IF HE'S NOT USING IT FOR THAT ANYWAY! You make literally no f'ing sense.
If Gates had doubt (as u) he has $ to find out if GOD does/doesn't exist but it's not a $ thg; it's a SPIRITUAL (FAITH) thg & he's INTELLIGENT enough to know this!
Grow up (Spiritually)!
Lince, last year we had 3 months to find another job. I prayed and God asked if I would still trust Him even if I didn't get 1. We said yes. For a whole year God provided for me and my family miraculously in ways I couldn't even dream up.
You're still suggesting that money can disprove God which is entirely untrue. If the basis of your argument is flawed then your entire argument is null.
Results "AFFIRMATIVE!" Now that a BELIEVERS' "PROOF!"
GOD SAID "Ask ANYTHING in MY NAME & I WILL DO IT"
There's our "PROOF!"
Too bad they (unbelievers) don't BELIEVE that!
There's your proof and faith!!!!!
Seriously God does his ways in such an intriguing ways!!!
I.Hope God.blesses your.family!!!
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Mxolisi Ngubane says
I do come from where you come. Born in Zimbabwe, immigrated to south Africa at 5. Lived in East London, Johannesburg and Port Elizabeth. Jesus saved me and protected and now I live in one of the most beautiful countries in the world, New Zealand
You could just have easily come to that lovely life by believing in a crystal hanging around your neck. Jesus came to teach us how to utilize our own 'christos' within - not to rely on his, as much. Jesus is a crutch for some & a launchpad for ot
Yeah, I really struggle with people attributing their nice lives to God/Jesus. What about all the people who live incredibly unfortunate lives but believe in God? Are you suggesting they're doing something wrong?
I believe the bible, the Jesus of the bible and God of the bible. My bible tells me that all good things come from God not a an inanimate object like a crystal or rabbits foot. Whether you acknowledge Him or not God is the giver of all good things.
That doesn't answer my question even a little bit.
Have you read Ecclesiastes lately, BH? God 'allows' both good & bad to happen to everyone, equally. My point was, you COULD have 'believed' in a crystal to acheive the same results in your life. How your beliefs WORK is what Jesus came to teach p
Yes Misfit, God allows but He is not the author of bad things.
Your god also created Satan, BH. Were you unaware of how Satan came to be? You need to read your Bible. LOL!
Randy, seems like you know the bible pretty well, why not educate all of us on God's original intent of creating Satan?
I've written an entire hub specifically about the real messages of Jesus; and how both Science & Spirituality has exposed them - based on the research of deconverting Christians over several decades. 2 versions of Christianity now exist. Research
Yes, I've read the old novel, BH. I cannot envision a god so bored he would create a universe, put life on earth, drown all of the living things except for a few, knowing beforehand he would have to do so. Perhaps he told YOU why in your head? LOL!
Still didn't answer the question randy. Typical MO of atheists, want answers to their questions but never can come up with their own.
My response wasn't good enough for you, BH? I've outlined where evil (and Satan) come from, among other things. Look beyond what you believe, Dear. The real message of Jesus is so much more powerful as many are discovering.
Your god created your Satan, BH. According to the old novel, that is. Are you sure you've read the Bible? The NT is all fictional attempts made long after Jesus was supposed to have lived. The earliest book was created over a lifetime after his life.
Is 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." When you discover why God does this; you will also discover why 'sin' is an ancient pagan concept that God did not originate. Research.
Thank you MC!
I did my research. At the time of Cyrus, whom God is addressing in Is45, they believed in 2 gods, 1 good 1 evil, called Magian doctrine. The evil referred to is war or calamity which denotes judgment FOR sin. Which is why Jesus came.
I'd say, you have paganism down pat - as many Christians do. It is as rooted in ancient religions as Jesus' original message is. It really doesn't matter what you believe - its just that imposing & teaching twisted beliefs has led to so much harm
Strong accusation of paganism when you don't know what I believe. I believe the bible and what the Holy Spirit reveals to me through it. There is no other message. Everything man teaches needs to be weighed by both. Yours doesn't measure up sorry.
Jesus' main mission was to heal those who did not have access to health care. Jesus' services did not last long because He was killed shortly after He started preaching. The question is asking us to believe In Jesus Christ, what do you have to lose?
Waste of time trying to teach the unteachable
Angele Parris,Jesus came to the world not to give medicare to any.He came here to help people to get away from there sins and to forgive.Christianity says the life not about this world,but about paradise
Realize that your version of Christianity didn't start until 1500ish YEARS after Jesus' death with the Protestant Reformation - which is when the bible started to be take literally as the literal word of God. What did pre-bible C's do for 300 years?
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Karen KLD says
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Kodirekka Nagaraju says
The Quran was written after the Bible and changes words. Muslims are to kill the infidels. This is a forced relationship. I've never met a reincarnated person. If atheism is true, you lose the benefit of God walking w/ you daily and eternity
Andri Tanu Wijaya says
Muhammad Afnan Asif says
IF one "WAITS" (Acts 1:4) for Holy Spirit's "guidance" (Jn 14:26) they can live as Christ (aka GOD) "in this world" (I Jn4:17)!
Terrie 1981 says
God doesn't force Himself on anyone. That is a choice each person makes. I'm sorry if people are trying to shove Jesus Christ down your throat. His Word is not burdensome to those who love Him so there are no "have" to do's. It is all your choice
Thank you Diane. I love this answer. We have our agency to chose. People can't make choices for us. We choose to believe. We choose to be bitter because someone offended us.
Praise God! Terrie, I look at the people who want to be combative about it and see that they are looking for answers. We should be ready in and out of season to testify of the hope that lies within us. The Holy Spirit works on the hearts.
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Janice Miller says
Well, you need to "Provide a book w/as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written before Bible to even BEGIN proof GOD doesn't exist!" Can you?
Who else would have "inspired men" to know these prophecies, BUT GOD?
If Jesus Christ was a myth why did the Roman empire make Christianity it's state religion when it found out you can't kill something that is true. Their thinking: If we can't kill them we'll join them. By doing so the empire created the religion.
BH: GOD TOLD me to ask all Atheist/Unbelievers this question. I didn't know that the Bible had more "accurate fulfilled prophecies" than any other book but the question just came into mind; I googled and THERE ISN'T ANOTHER!
I don't care-GOD LIVES
I pasted an article above. Many believe the second coming has not taken place.
B.H.: you ask, "why did the Roman empire make Christianity it's state religion." A.: because Constantine was a sucker4a good story. He had power to enforce. WhyDidConstantine'sEarlyChurch slaughter tens of 1000's of innocent pagans?WereTheyChrstlike?
Nude: You can believe man, but as "revealed" to me by GOD to ask the question, NO ONE can tell me GOD DOESN'T EXIST!
Now would you please answer the question or "babbling!"
A textbook on any of the science has tons of "accurate prophesies", in that it predicts things and they are true predictions. Funny thing about prophesy is that every culture had them, and they're usually vague drivel you can interpret many ways.
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Yvonne Finn says
The question a lot of people will now ask is - Is America really a Christian country? I have heard many Christian pastors comment that we need to return to the standards of the founding fathers. Most of us think that we have not reached our goal yet.
I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology... To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery over all the earth. Jefferson
Very well said. I can only pray for those who do not believe. I am always humbled by His sacrifice. I only realize that I have so much work to do.
And the world continues to suffer simply because know-it-all Christians refuse to research or believe anything other than they have been taught - lies, or not. Jesus came 'just like us' to FREE peeps from pagan religions - and they cling, instead.
That debate between Peter and Paul, showed clearly that the first understanding by the man closest to Christ -- believed before a revelation that the goal was to save Jews. Jews are not and were not a pagan religion. What are your thoughts on that?
I think that since Kabbalah is being thought of as the 'law' Jesus came to fulfil instead of the Jewish laws we are more familiar with - which is closer to the religion Jesus lived with - it stands to reason he came to correct Jewish 'beliefs' also.
The real reason Jesus came was to restore humanity to our original creative purpose. For the Jews He had to fulfill the law to redeem them from the curse of the law. For the Gentiles He brings us back to the God of Abraham, a Gentile.
I just found this an interesting notion that man can postulate and declare what the intent of God is. I am not saying we can or cannot. But it seems we even have trouble with our own intent sometimes, "The real reason Jesus came"
Excuse me Eric but if Man lost relationship and fellowship with God because of sin and Jesus died to redeem us from the curse of sin, what is He redeeming us TO? The whole narrative of the bible is redeeming FROM and restoring TO. The HOW is FAITH.
'Faith' is very misunderstood - as is sin, redemption, salvation, etc. Jesus came to save people from pagan untruths no matter which religion they belonged to. He certainly wasn't the 1st man claimed to be the 'Son of God' nor the last.
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I like Darkmatter. I will make a hub.; He has returned (Read Mark 9:1); not be afraid of crosses - lots of black crosses after his death; Islam and the Jews should be at war; seated in heaven; atheists scared of Jesus; condoms offered in schools
Why follower of Christ separated into 3 religion (Islam, Christian, Jews) that hate each other, and Christians and Islam are once again separated into different faith? Because he like seen us killing each other in his name
Here goes an answer. God said that we all need an enemy. Therefore the seed of Ishmael (Islam) and the seed of Isaac (Jews) should be at war. The present day Jews are not the chosen people, therefore they have to accept His son (hence Christianity)
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Whonu, for me, you speak truth.
Hi Norine. You use accursed so much that I am beginning to think it may be a good thing. Boy it seems each Bible version has their own translation of cherum. They are not at all uniform. Some go so far as using it to mean dedicated. Interesting.
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"Why don't I believe in Islam?" Because "Allah (GOD) never "CREATED" which is a LIE!
are you for serious ? I know you can't that is because everyone in this world knows that this earth and this land we are living on , this air we breathe in and out is not here by chance as you may say. It has to be created by someone
A Muslin showed me this under another Q: Sura 112 Al-Ikhlas (Sincerity)1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3 He begetteth (CREATETH) not, nor is He begotten; 4 And there is none like unto Him." Why Sura 112 say this
Christianity came into existence over 500 years before Islam. The beginning of Islam is attributed to 610 AD when Muhammad is claimed to have a revelation.
If "what came first" is important then Hinduism should be the true religion as it was the first.
Aime, my comment was in response to TechGNH who said Muhammad "created" God. But Hinduism changes and the Bible doesn't mention it. If it gives you the assurance you need, good for you.
It doesn't really matter. You're willing to dismiss one contradiction but not another.
Contradiction? What each person believes is between the person and God. I find no contradiction in God's Word.
Which God? Shiva? Vishnu?
None of those. I believe in the Creator of heaven and earth.
Right. You believe that God created everything so that dismisses any other religion that came before yours, kinda like Islam does by saying that Allah created everything. It's the same logic.
I'm not an expert on Islam. I believe in one God period.
Prove Islam wrong, Norine. Prove Hinduism, Taoism, Scientology, wrong. The Bible has no more veracity than any of these, and you know it.
John 14:5-6 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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