Hi all. Before I write this post I would like you to all understand that I am agnostic. I don't disregard the possibility of there being a God, yet at the same time certainly don't believe there is one.
What I'd like everybody's thoughts on please, is how using biblical passages makes sense in anybody's terms for an argument trying to prove God exists (which, incidentally is impossible).
Far too often I have read an argument which will run along the basis of "God exists, look: [insert biblical passage here]". This can never ever work - as to believe in the bible you must first believe in God, and therefore if somebody is trying to convince you God exists by quoting a book that can only be considered reputable if you already believe in God, it is a pointless exercise.
Your thoughts please?
The Bible convinces believers that God exists. It convinces non-believers of nothing.
Many Christians don't seem to understand this. Many non-Christians don't seem to understand this.
Opinions don't really need a source that everyone agrees with to be valid to the person holding them... if they did they would be fact. Many non-Christians don't understand this.
Proof of your opinion needs to come from a source that everyone agrees with to be considered fact. Many Christians don't understand this.
Religion is an opinion. Many non-Christians and Christians don't understand this.
The Bible can't be used as evidence. Does Vishnu exist because the Bhagavad Gita says he does? Does Wotan exist because Norse eddas say he does? No.
Though I'm pretty sure this proves the existence of Odin, right? lol
Believing that God excists is something that comes from within an individual; if you believe from your heart and soul that he excists then for you it is so. In the end it is left to us to decide for ourselves what we believe in. God or no God this is the freedom of choice and with this there is no right or wrong choice; to each his own. take care pam.
You're talking about The Almighty, All Knowing God of the bible. You're a funny person!
If that is the description you want to put on a G/god, then by all means seek help. Go pray some more for guidance, as I can see it hasn't helped yet.
As proof they make no solid argument whatsoever. The proof is all around you. The proof is inside of you. I was agnostic, and am not now a christian, though I heed the council of the man called Jesus. I also heed the teachings of others, all of whom I consider to be my brothers...not my lords or masters. I have experienced proof, to my satisfaction, that there is something of a higher order than we are concerned with what we do, and that it is part of our reality...whether we like it, or not, and whether we believe it, or not. It convinced me, but what I actually saw, would not have convinced you...it was what was going on in my mind at the same time which convinced me. It was also not a single example. I was hard to convince.
You make excellent points - what is enough to convince one person is not enough to convince another, which is where the faith element comes in. I know people who say they KNOW without shadow of doubt that a particular religion is right - not believe or think, but know. I know others of conflicting religions who say the same thing, meaning such knowledge collides, rendering it faith not knowledge. Religion is a funny thing.
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