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Judas betrayed Jesus; Peter denied his Lord.

  1. Rina Pinto profile image61
    Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago

    What is the difference between these two men? What is the difference between betrayal and denial?

    1. pennyofheaven profile image79
      pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Apparently one sold Jesus out for money (greed). The other denied because he cared what others thought of him (low self worth). Not really different except that the ego ruled to a greater or lesser degree.

      1. Rina Pinto profile image61
        Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        This was a plan God intended from the beginning. The Restoration of mankind through these 2 errors. Judas was chosen for this task. It was necessary for Peter to be reinstate for His Higher calling - A fisherman chosen to a Mighty Task. Peter had to understand himself in order to take up this Call into serious Action. Therefore when God created Light He saw that It was GOOD, so the all men may see well and follow the True calling. Again we see the choice is ours, if we choose to live like Judas's or the Peter's - The Holy Bible is an Open Book, we may choose to correct ourselves according to the Word of God and His Revelations through His Holy Spirit- Jesus our Savior!

        1. pennyofheaven profile image79
          pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Therefore, to not let the ego dominate, would have been the lesson to learn from both incidences.

          1. Rina Pinto profile image61
            Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yes .. true! .. What ever God does, He brings perfect peace into it .. Glory to God alone .. Who can fathom His Incredible and Divine Wisdom .. Bless you Yahweh! Jeremiah 29:11 !

    2. kess profile image59
      kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Both did the will of God as intended....just that one failed to see the reality of this and walk in condemnation of himself.

      1. Rina Pinto profile image61
        Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        yes .. Kess .. the difference between them is so transparent. By this we can also correct out selves and not to repeat the latter mistake of Judas .. but rather Repent and Rise to move forward. God's mercies are new ever morning and They Endures for ever...

    3. diyomarpandan profile image61
      diyomarpandanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

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      1. Jerami profile image74
        Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        exactly

        1. Rina Pinto profile image61
          Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          People who do not read their portion well in the Bible will never understand what God is really trying to say or teach them according to His Will. Obedience is important and the leading through His Holy Spirit must be yielded obediently and not in a arrogant way. Humbleness is equally important while learning to Be Still and knowing that He is God is a must in our Lives .. thank you for passing by my forum.

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Obedience? Really?

            Why?

            1. Rina Pinto profile image61
              Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              to reinstate..

              1. Cagsil profile image59
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Reinstate what?

                1. Rina Pinto profile image61
                  Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Restoration of our soul back to the eternal Kingdom .. so reinstating is important .. - Jeremiah 29:11

                  1. diyomarpandan profile image61
                    diyomarpandanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

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      2. Rina Pinto profile image61
        Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The Holy Bible can be read by any one but The Word and the deep Revelation given to one must be understood and this can be only done by the Leading of the Holy Spirit. One must be filled with the double portion & the Holy Anointing of the Holy Spirit of the Living God. Every body can ready Bible but one must be equipped with His Almighty power and the regular filling of His Holy Spirit. Thanks for passing by .. God Bless.

    4. Rina Pinto profile image61
      Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago

      Jesus Himself has already explained this. He said that Peter had already been bathed and needed to wash only his feet. Judas had never been bathed and had never opened his life to Jesus. Peter had dirty feet but a clean heart; Judas had an evil heart of unbelief, though perhaps an outward walk of apparent morality. And that is the sort person who will betray Jesus.

    5. talford profile image83
      talfordposted 5 years ago

      Judas, a thief, had different motives from those of Peter.

      Peter when exposed wept with bitter tears. He, as I could say I also, was distraught at his failure. How could he deny his Lord who he loved and who he knew loved him? Tears of regret and repentance. He had feared what men would do to him. Sorrow overwhelmed his soul because of his failure. Yet, he knew that the one who loved him had known. Even before his failure Jesus told him of his denial.

      Peter had followed the Lord afar off. A lesson for us. Stay close. Do not allow ourselves to follow from afar.

      Judas on the other hand had his motives in jealousy, murder, and greed. He was one of the twelve who were sent out and did miracles. He had seen the same things Peter saw. He had witnessed healed bodies, lives changed, he was even there when Lazarus walked out of tomb.

      Like many, Judas wanted his portion on this side of Jordan. While Peter's determination was to stand by Jesus even to death, (though he failed because of weakness), Judas determination was to grab for himself. He knew they enemy sought to kill Jesus. His WILL was not to follow the Lord. If the price was high enough he would gladly turn him in.

      Afterwards, his tears were too late. He knew the he was condemned and chose death over living with the knowledge of what he had done.

      1. Rina Pinto profile image61
        Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly.... but many of the today's Christian think or have a different view about The crossing of the Jordon. Jordan is simply Heaven! We are all living in the land or country of Sodom & Gomorrah! - The journey in one's life begins when God Himself draw's us out from the land of Sodom & Gomorrah and helps us cross the Red sea into the Promise land - Jordon - Heaven bound. By His mercies & Grace and of course by His Son Jesus Precious Blood and the Perfection of our hearts and His Will in our Lives causes us Through His Holy Spirit!.

    6. Dave Mathews profile image60
      Dave Mathewsposted 5 years ago

      What Judas does is not betrayal, as Judas was pre-destined by Jesus who is God to be the one to help Jesus fulfill the phrophecies of the Great Prophets.

      Peter's denial, was an act of fear forseen by Jesus.

      Both did what was written in the scriptures.

      1. talford profile image83
        talfordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus said, "Woe, to him who betrays me". Therefore, Jesus called it betrayal. Even when Judas had already determined to betray Jesus for silver; Jesus did not tell him to do this wicked deed. Jesus let him still make his own decision. He told him, "Whatever you do, do quickly". God knows what you will eat for breakfast next week. His providence does not negate our choice.

        It is a great mystery. How can both predestination and free will exist at the same time, but indeed it does.

        β€œFor my thoughts are not your thoughts,
            neither are your ways my ways,”
        declares the Lord.
           As the heavens are higher than the earth,
            so are my ways higher than your ways
            and my thoughts than your thoughts."

        Isaiah 55:8-9

      2. Rina Pinto profile image61
        Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Dave .. you steal my thoughts .. wow!.. exactly .. i will be digging some of your hubs .. haven't read your recent hubs..

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      Larry Wallposted 5 years ago

      From a human standpoint, Judas the betrayer was willing to take money without any concern about the consequences.

      Peter denied Jesus three times without really realizing it until the cock crowed. Had Peter not denied Jesus, he too could had been captured and killed, leaving the early church without one of its most important early leaders.

      Judas acted by choice and paid the price.

      Peter acted by mistakes, and mistakes are forgiven. Also, was Peter did was foreseen by Jesus as noted by another poster.

      1. Rina Pinto profile image61
        Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Larry,  Great!... been long time too!.. will be reading your hubs too .. yes it was a "Commission by God Himself in order to complete the Prophecy.

    8. lovehungergames profile image60
      lovehungergamesposted 5 years ago

      i honestly dont believe in jesus

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        Larry Wallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It is a free country and that is certainly your right, but I totally disagree with you.

        1. Rina Pinto profile image61
          Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          same here Larry...

    9. lovehungergames profile image60
      lovehungergamesposted 5 years ago

      i believes omething created the earth, something unbelievable and let it evolve from their but everyone has their beliefs and nobody is 100% sure.

    10. pisean282311 profile image53
      pisean282311posted 5 years ago

      judas betrayed jesus or jesus betrayed judas?....according to gosphel of judas , judas did what jesus asked him to do...but judas is still projected as one who betrayed jesus...even after 2k yrs...so jesus betrayed judas and showed glimpse of what one gets if one does trust jesus blindly!!!!!!!!!!!...on serious notes cant blame jesus for that...jesus himself was betrayed by his conviction...

      1. Rina Pinto profile image61
        Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well .. its sad that you twist the Word of God without any seriousness of your thoughts and mind.. Let Godly wisdom speak in you and not your own .. Thanks for visiting my forum .....

        1. pisean282311 profile image53
          pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          @rina m twisting?...where did i twist...if jesus is sent by god and according to gosphel of judas , it was god sent jesus who commanded him to do what he (judas) did and judas by following his spiritual leader got label of betrayer then what can u conclude?....judas betrayed jesus or jesus himself betrayed judas?....

          1. Rina Pinto profile image61
            Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            please check the message in this forum well - my replies according to His Grace .. Nothing much .. I must decrease  and He (Jesus) must increase in me .. we must choose to be Still and know that He is God and does everything Perfect to His Will. .. You must understand that it was a Plan of God read Jeremiah 29:11 - the restoration of mankind back into His Kingdom. And Judas was a part of the plan. But God never asked Judas to hang himself. Did not Judas go about with Jesus and seeing the healing hand of Jesus and His Works .. Anyways, this is a lesson on our journey to be careful in what ever we do .. its not just the betrayal or the denial but this is for a change as we all go through the same phase with our Lord Jesus - sometimes a Betrayal-Judas & sometimes a Denial-Peter

            1. pisean282311 profile image53
              pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              @rina its your interpretation...what happened to judas is based on four gosphels u think r correct...if u read gosphel of judas , ur truth would alter...so ur truth depends on book u read and belief in...isnt it?....

              i got what u believe in , ur view and m ok with it...thanks..

              1. Rina Pinto profile image61
                Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You loose Heaven's if you choose to follow satan the father of lies .... i pray that you may receive the True Light .. God Bless you!

    11. Jerami profile image74
      Jeramiposted 5 years ago

      The last words that Jesus spoke to Judas was ...  Go now and do what you must do.

        Judas did exactly that !      How is that betrail?

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        Larry Wallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus may have know Judas was going to betray him, but that does not mean that Jesus wanted Judas to betray him. How many times have to told someone, "do what you have to do" even though you did not agree with them or think it was right.

        1. Jerami profile image74
          Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I didn't read the book of Judas ...  But I have always felt the same way I have just expresses.
          There is just so much of the story which was not included in the bible.

            The bible as presented isn't a very good report as to what happened 2000 years ago.
          and I've always wondered why?
            Kinda like saying ...  on 9-11 four plains crashed ....   leaving the rest to imagionation.

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            Larry Wallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            When discussing religious issues there is going to be a lot of gaps that people fill in and we are not going to know for certain--at least not in this life.

            1. Jerami profile image74
              Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              When discussing religious issues YES.  If we could discuss what is it that is actually written ... this should be a different matter, I would think.

        2. Rina Pinto profile image61
          Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Larry / Jeremi  .. if God says, He means then He means business - A simple yes or no business!  The plan had to be commissioned and the key person in this plan was Judas. He fitted right in this Particular Role. And by the way devil entered Judas heart, where Jesus quoted in - Scripture - John 13:27 " And after the morsel Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, What you do, do quickly." God is Sovereign Lord of all things - we must remember this and had ordered the steps of in this fashion in order to complete the Plan of Restoration . I would only choose to be Still and Know that He is God .. He is God and knows his Part/Role well to play in our lives - THE WILL!  - His Kingdom come, His Will be done in each of our Lives - His Elect - He is coming soon - Jesus!

      2. Rina Pinto profile image61
        Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The Plan of Restoration - thus betrayal was a part of this Plan! - And Judas was the appropriate as his love for money. But again this was Judas choice, after he being repented or guilty, he could have asked forgiveness of His dear Friend and Master Jesus who was so close and real with them. He lost that opportunity for the love of the money. The guilt could have turned to a Action of Pardon thus saving him and Grace found in plenty when Jesus was with them.

        1. Jerami profile image74
          Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          But again this was Judas choice,    ????????

          "Go and do;    the thing which you    MUST"  ...   doesn't sound like  many  choices from which to choose ?

    12. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago

      The betrayal was a necessary element. Without the betrayal, the crucifixion might not have happened. One version has it that the sop of bread which Jesus placed into Judas' mouth had the darkness within it which Jesus had removed from the masses, which caused Judas to carry out his mission without backing out. Further, the book of Judas is as old as the other gospels, lending it legitimacy. In this gospel Judas is clearly seen as a loyal follower of Jesus.

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        Larry Wallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Betrayal was necessary. It does not mean that it had to be Judas. I cannot think of any of the other disciples who would had betrayed Jesus. I am only saying, that Judas had a choice and he chose to betray Jesus.

        1. Jerami profile image74
          Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Betrail being the key word.

          Betrail as seen from the other desciples perspective.
          IF I remember right; Some of these desciples seemed to have been a bit jelious of each other from time to time?

          1. pennyofheaven profile image79
            pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            They were all very human even Jesus.

        2. Rina Pinto profile image61
          Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks Larry and appreciate your participation in this forum with God given wisdom. Indeed very true, Judas had choice .. but he never repented thus ending His Precious Live after a beautiful service along with Jesus in His Awesome Ministry. Its a pity that He never understood the Heart of Jesus and the abounding Grace through Him.

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            Larry Wallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I do not know what Judas thought in the last moments of his life. He may have sought and received forgiveness. No one knows that and all of the back and forth arguing by some will not change that. I am not saying you are incorrect. I am just saying we do not knows what goes through the mind of a person in the last moments before he dies.

            1. Rina Pinto profile image61
              Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              so true Larry.. thanks for expanding this forum with your knowledge about Judas .. i agree with you .. only God knows what goes in the mind of His creation...

        3. Disappearinghead profile image84
          Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That judas would betray him was no mystery to Jesus. It was a necessary requirement to set about the events leading up to the crucifixion. Jesus chose Judas to be his disciple knowing full well who he was and the nature of his character. It seems to me that Judas was the scapegoat.

          The fact that Judas was so overcome with grief and remorse that he killed himself is a clear indication that he came to repentance. Jesus said that it would have been better had he not been born, and considering that had he lived his life, reputation, and social standing would have been ruined, this no doubt would have been true. Imagine that he just went home, the apostles would have ostracised him, maybe threatened him with violence. The Jews would have not respected him and he would have been shunned as the man who betrayed Jesus. He probably would never have been able to get work again, earn a living, reduced to a beggar. Yes Jesus was correct, his life would have been such abject misery as to have been better to have not been born.

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            Larry Wallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Jesus had to be betrayed or captured during his pubic ministry. I am not certain Jesus chose Judas for that task. However, as I sAid erlier we do not know if ;_das sought forgiveness before taking his own life.

            1. Rina Pinto profile image61
              Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              At least Judas knew who is Savior was - Jesus.! He has walked and journey with Him for 3 years and still could not know Jesus heart and His Love for Him? Yes we all do it the Judas way always betray Jesus in spite of knowing Jesus and His Marvelous Sacrifice . We soon then repent know that He is a ever forgiving God. We take undue advantage of His Goodness and His Mercies although the Holy Bible tells us so - His mercies endures for ever " Believers must be obedient to the lessons that are an true experience and testimonies of the Saints/Prophet/Disciples/Apostles and the lives of them each  mentioned in the Holy Bible = The Exposition to the Scripture is given to each one on his/her journey along. The Lord God will only talk to us in a slow and quiet voice. We must harken to this voice and for this we must read the Holy Bible every day.

          2. pennyofheaven profile image79
            pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Jesus may also have understood that what he had foreseen about Judas could easily be changed if Judas making a different choice. I don't think it was necessary for the crucifixion but that is how it evolved.

            1. Rina Pinto profile image61
              Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes exactly the Father's plan in order to Restore us... but I don't wanna really go there or touch what the Lord Yahweh had in mind because He is God our Creator and we are only called to be Still and Know that He is God. Jesus also says That He would show us the Great and Mighty Things of the Heavenly Kingdom only if we are walking and obedient to His Word. As i said the Holy Spirit will reveal this to us - His Revelation if we are to stay in the boundary we are allotted. - Under His wings! This subject or Betrayal & Denial is vast in the walks or journeying into the Greener pastures - Without these betrayals & denials in our lives we can never experience God's Total Plan in our Lives.

    13. knolyourself profile image60
      knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

      Had dinner at friend's house, and afterward I tried out a portable radio headset belonging to his brother, which was new at the time. I went out and danced in the street by myself to the music. My friend denied me three times to three friends of his, who asked him if he knew the crazy guy in the street.

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        Larry Wallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Amusing story--hardly a comparison to the what Jesus said at the Last Supper.

    14. knolyourself profile image60
      knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

      What was it one in twelve that betrayed Jesus. I have found that it would be more like eleven out of twelve would betray Jesus, given the right circumstances.

    15. Rina Pinto profile image61
      Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago

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      Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago

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      Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago

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    18. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago

      And for that reason, judgement of Judas should be suspended. It is the christian thing to do.

      1. Rina Pinto profile image61
        Rina Pintoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        i am not getting you.

     
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