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Christians are to be "the salt of the earth." How?

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    genaeaposted 4 years ago

    This question comes from my experiences with social networking. So many claim to be children of God, but mostly, their words are full of selfishness and pride. They spew out "advice" meant to hurt others; they brag about their "accomplishments" and God's glory is rarely mentioned. We as Christians are in the world and not of it.
    I need opinions on what it means to be "salt" as Jesus spoke about? I would like to hear from all willing to participate.

    1. recommend1 profile image69
      recommend1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Salt was one of the most valuable essential commodities two thousand years ago - no mystery or egg levitation etc - but as a daily use value and means of bartering it was different to gold in that everyone had to have it.

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        As with the many mysteries of Christian life, we are admonished to be salt, not have salt. With this new info., we are asked to be something that the world cannot do without. Thinking on this thing.

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      SirDentposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Salt has many uses but the one use not mentioned yet in this thread is that it is used as a preservative.  Salt is used to preserve nearly every type of food there is.

      To be the salt of the earth is to preserve the earth.  If all believers were taken out of the earth, the earth would  self-destruct because there is nothing left to preserve it.

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Aaahhhh!!! I see that clearly:) salt's preservation quality was mentioned earlier, however, it did not have this spin. Yes, God could not find salt in Sodam and Gommorah and the whole town was tossed to the ruins. But ironically, they ended up with plenty salt at the end, didn't they? wink

      2. schoolgirlforreal profile image77
        schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        +1

    3. ii3rittles profile image86
      ii3rittlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      To hold high value and standard to themselves and to Christ.

      And social networks are used wrongly by most people. I admit, I say things I shouldn't on Twitter but I make a point to delete the things I think are disrespectful to myself, others or most importantly, God.

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        But knowing that we say and do things we shouldn't, brings about humility and mercy. An appreciation for "whatever" our brother struggles with. No longer judging their walk. Thanks for a fresh face;) we agree.

    4. Cagsil profile image84
      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      A lot of questions are bound to come from social networking. tongue smile
      You caught that too, huh? lol I've found that very few truly walk the walk vs those who claim to.
      Oh my dear it goes much deeper than that. They give out "advice" which isn't actually "advice" but seem to be. It's odd how they talk about their "accomplishments", when it's only half the equation.
      Really? Then why does your body say different?
      To have love, mercy and compassion, which is the bread and butter of peaceful living with self and others around you. On a global perspective, his teachings need to be expanded upon slightly to be effective.
      I'm sure one question you will have from this post is what exactly is needed to expand upon his teachings? And, I recognize them as the 5 Keys to Life. wink

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hello, thanks for your input wink

        1. Cagsil profile image84
          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Hello and You're welcome. smile

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      ITcoachposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I am really amazed to hear, As we all know that Jesus was only messenger of One God. He didn't gave supremacy to any human to other on the base of Christianity. In this regards, I would like to say that Atheism is better than the Christianity. Is it so?

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        If it is so to you, then yes. Your words have power. You may speak any life you desire into existence for yourself. God said so. He made it possible during creation.

    6. Chris Neal profile image84
      Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      We are to be salt in that we are to be perservatives and flavorers of this world. We must preserve the word of God and flavor this world with it.

      That's a lot easier said  than done, though. Humility and a willingness to listen to others before talking are absolutely essential. Of course we must tell people about Jesus, but what do we do if they won't listen? Or if they have arguments that sound good?










      (Go back to the Bible, of course!)

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        Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Chris. You do realize that going back to the Bible for a rebuttal to an argument that sounds good serves no real purpose;  since an argument that sounds good is coming from someone with knowledge of the Bible in most cases. The standard Christian rebuttal is usually along the lines of 'well, God told me' (which doesn't rebut anything) or 'the Bible says' (which you already know the other person doesn't agree that it said it, or is already arguing against).

        The main problem I see is that Christians admit they don't trust their own ability to reason. My question is why? Why do they not trust the good inside? I've always felt that the gospels appealed to you by showing that to look within holds the answers. And I believe Christians do attempt this, but there has to be a starting point. There has to be law that the whole story is hinged on. You can't take everything written in the book as gospel because it does contradict in places. That is why love has to be the starting point. Love has to be the result.

        Not the word. It means nothing by itself. Every action needs to be compared to the reason for the law. Front to back. If it doesn't show love for all involved, it's short of the mark. Even our thoughts. It's an impossible goal, but that is what the reason for the whole thing is.  When you interpret that reason out of the text, you negate all value of the text. Imo.

        1. Chris Neal profile image84
          Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Well, what I was actually trying to say is that when we have doubts, we should always go back to the source of the Word, which is the Bible. The better you know the Bible, the more you realize you don't really "know" the Bible. I've talked to people with arguments that "sound" good because they know the proverbial "just enough to be dangerous" without having the historical or cultural knowledge, or for that matter even the knowledge of the Bible itself, to support their claim. Most of the time it's just a case of "here's what I believe and I found this text that backs it up" but if you look deeper, you find it doesn't.

          And some people have really bizarre beliefs, like that God is jealous of other gods. If you know that Bible at all, you can't claim that, but some people do.

          The Bible is a much deeper repository of wisdom than even most Christians understand. And God does talk to us through it.



          The Bible does not contradict, and most certainly not on the big points. But to answer your statement directly, the Bible does not teach us to look inward, a la` some eastern spirituality. It teaches us to look outward, specifically to God (through His Son and earthly agent, Jesus Christ.) The Bible teaches that there is no "good inside," and that humans who trust solely in their own ability to reason will always end up screwing things up. No, that's not a very flattering picture of humanity, but to me history has born that out, both within and without the church.



          There, we agree (I think. I had a little trouble following that, but then I'm not the smartest guy!)

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            Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Chris your argument is built on a single premise; that the bible is the word of God. Now after reading it for 28 years I can see there is a marked difference between the Hebew scriptures and the NT. Throughout the Hebrew scriptures they claim of themselves that they are the word of God, and indeed Jesus made the same claim about the Torah. Today Jews believe that the Torah is the word of God, and the prophets are inspired by God, but they do not have the same rank as the Torah.

            But the NT is different. It doesn't claim of itself to be scripture and it does not consist of books written by accepted prophets that state "this is the word of the Lord". We might say that Revelation is nearest, but for reasons that I would explain another time, I have my doubts about it.

            However, when Paul said "all scripture is God breathed........" he was only talking about the Hebrew scriptures, because only they existed at the time. If subsequently the Church decides that other documents are now scripture, it does not follow that they can be added under Paul's statement. In fact I would suggest that Paul no more thought his sermons were scripture than a 21st century pastor thinks his own sermons are scripture.

            Within 200 years of the crucifixion, there were hundreds of documents floating about the churches, so they decided that a rationalisation programme was needed. The first to be held in high regard were Paul's letters. Irenaeus decided there could ony be four gospels on the basis that there were four winds and four corners to the Earth. All other gospels were summarily thrown in the bin. After numerous bishop's committees the Church decided what was in and what was out. They may have made decisions based upon whether they believed the author was an apostle; whether they believed the content had teaching merit; or whether the content lined up with the party line set of beliefs. Whatever the process it was a manade decision. Now some, many, all or none, either are or are not the very words breathed from the mouth of God. What you chose to believe will not alter whether they are or are not scripture. It is unknowable if they are or are not, and to state that they are can only be a statement of faith, nobody can present evidence either way.

            Does it really matter? To one outside the Church it does not. It matters to the Church because they built their doctrines upon them. But it is possible that the wrong documents were selected; based on popularity, not validity. In such a case the Christian beliefs would be offset from the truth. I don't believe many of the Church doctrines, such as tithing, belief in demons and Satan, the trinity, or the strings attached gospel. So that puts me outside the Church, and if a Christian is defined as one who accepts the Chuch's creeds, then I guess I'm not one.

            1. Chris Neal profile image84
              Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Actually, no. All other "gospels" were not "summarily thrown in the bin." If you actually read them, you will find very marked difference between the often gnostic Jesus of those "gospels" and the Jesus of the Gospels. That, after 2000 years, people can claim that the early church (meaning a bunch of cranky old territory-defenders in a back room somewhere) simply decided which books were in the Bible is contrary to history but convenient for polemic.

              I've only been reading the Bible for 25 years, so you have a few on me, and I agree that there do seem to be some differences between the OT and the NT, but I think that if you actually bear down and study it you'll be able to realize why a lot of those supposed discrepencies exist.

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                genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks Chris, your knowledge of The histories of the bible are appreciated. It is sometimes necessary to know, as we have seen here. Jesus stated, blessed are those who do not see, yet believe. Faith. Some got it; some DON'T got it. This conversation has been for those who want to know how to get it. Thanks again, for your help.

                1. Chris Neal profile image84
                  Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Thank you!

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            Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Where do people get their bizarre beliefs from? The book you think everyone is supposed to go to. God doesn't talk to you through the book. You validate your beliefs through reading that book. Just as other religions validate their beliefs through reading their books.

            Confidence that there is a higher power doesn't equate to an understanding of that power. If it did, everyone who believed would believe the same thing.

            1. Chris Neal profile image84
              Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You're absolutely right. I don't understand God. But the more I read the Bible and pray and listen, the more I understand what He wants from me.

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                genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Me too, Chris.

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So many feel that the words of the bible are not enough. This has been the main argument. How do we tell the world about God without it? Not possible in my eyes.

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          cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          If they do not want to hear, do not cast your pearls.

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            genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Aaahhhh, yes, in my desire to convey I get a little persistent. However, I always want the Lord's message to get across. I always feel that another reader is hungry for what the Lord has. So I try to answer biblically so as to try to ensure that self is not a hinderance. Information that goes contrary to the word of God (bible) is dangerous, especially for those who are weak in faith.
            Thank you for coming to the discussion. You sound like Chris wink he sounds like my father.

        2. jacharless profile image81
          jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Grr. Promised myself I was not going to reply anymore. Now I have to kick my own behind just this once.Correct, they are not enough. They are inadequate because the were written by man. Funny thing, the bible says that emphatically. The works of the law {studying it all day/night to keep the commands} could not make them right with God. You are doing exactly what they did, trying to use works {studying the bible day/night} to make yourself right with God. Ain't happening love. Sincere Faith -from the heart faith- is the only way. Not head faith, heart faith. The work of Faith is ???! Really? Really? Did you not read the very book you worship, at all? The great cloud of witnesses, the parting of the sea, the manna, the Voice in the Wilderness, the work of the prophets, Samson, Ruth, David, the Cross, the Empty tomb, The Mighty Wind and fire upon the multitude --the salvation of all mankind without any book to lean on ???! Many here have thoroughly explained it to you, in many ways. I repeat for the third time: Stop striking the serpents head and it will stop striking your heel. Let go and trust the Spirit, the Word, the Small Still Voice that rumbles like thunder in you. Why is that so bloody difficult for you Christians?

          If you are that dull of hearing, then god save the queen, I am the one dusting off the sandals, taking back the pearls and wishing you the best. You two have no sandals or pearls to shake or cast. Go back and worship your paper god --or more fitting, admit you are wolf in sheep's clothing --a cloud without rain --a field with no harvest --old wine sacks --having a form of godliness but denying its power --- atheists, by definition. Hence, why I continue to explain that atheists and christians are identical, but neither one seems to get it.

          James

          1. cynthtggt profile image78
            cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            James, what you say about the heart is true with Jesus Christ.  That is what it is all about.  Are you trying to tell me that you believe EVERY act of kindness you see in a man?  Huh!!  Boy, are you hoodwinked in life!  Better watch your wallet more closely being so naieve!   The Word was made flesh means that when Jesus died on the cross, the laws of goodness (ie, Jewish Laws, Torah)  became of no supreme effect.  That means that just as man sees hypocrisy in other men, God too sees hypocrisy in the acts of kindness that are fake phony and fraudulent - works of men's hearts.  Did you ever meet a person who acted like they liked you but then stabbed you in the back?  God LOOKS AT THE HEART ONLY.  So, Christ - being the Word - died on the cross so that people who are consumed with self-loathing or guilt and seeking forgiveness that other HUMANS ARE TOO WEAK AND SELFISH TO PROVIDE (HUMANS ARE TERRIBLE AT TRULY LOVING OTHERS - WHICH WE KNOW IS A FACT) can KNOW and have confidence that NO MATTER HOW EVIL AND CRUEL OTHER PEOPLE ARE - God KNOWS - AND HE IS WATCHING over.  If you do not believe me, analyze your own dreams - because they will reveal who you are that you are not seeing in yourself.  YOu know?  So many people kill themselves because humans fail them, so why hate Christianity so much if what someone believes saves them?  The arrogance of hating Christians is more evil than any Christian belief.

            1. Cagsil profile image84
              Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You're too funny. However, having said that James may believe in a Creator, but his Creator is not the G/god of any religion on this planet. And his understanding is more in-depth than your post could ever hope to be. sad

              1. cynthtggt profile image78
                cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I sincerely doubt that since if he were he would not have been so nasty and condescending to the moderator and expressed with the utmost intolerance and hate I ever seen on hubpages.

                1. Cagsil profile image84
                  Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  HubPages moderates their own forums, not the person who started the thread. Please learn how to use and understand HubPages before you make yourself look bad.

                  Secondly, James does in fact have more depth to him than that of the average believer.

                  1. cynthtggt profile image78
                    cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    But you don't know anyone here either.  And who cares anyway?  We are not children who chant, "I'm better than you are...I'm better than you are."  Your friend was not nice, that's all.  It does not matter if he wears purple socks with checked pants.  You see, I am more liberal than you because I do not care what he believes; on the other hand, however, he DOES care what a Christian believes and he evidenced his disdain for the person who started this thread.  So who has the heart?  Who is filled with hate?  He is.  So please don't now turn this all around to say that because he has a better philosophy he inherently has a greater heart!  That would be a lie.  Who did you say it was - was it James?.

                  2. pennyofheaven profile image82
                    pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I second that.

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                  Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  James hateful or intolerant? Are you serious? He is one of kindest posters on this forum. Disagreeing with you, or genaea doesn't constitute hate.

                  1. jacharless profile image81
                    jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks Emile. cool

                  2. jacharless profile image81
                    jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks Emile cool

                  3. pennyofheaven profile image82
                    pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I second that too!

              2. jacharless profile image81
                jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks Ray. cool

                1. Cagsil profile image84
                  Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You're welcome James. smile

            2. jacharless profile image81
              jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Like I said, atheists, by definition. Maybe even "Chratheists".
              And that is fine, I suppose. To each their own self be true, right?
              All these things CAP LOCKED are words of nothing; defense mechanisms to protect what you assume to be the truth -because "brother, the bible says". I know, because, as explained to Gen, and others reading, I taught thousands upon thousands of Christians to do just that for years in a mega church arena, that even the WWE would drop-jaw at.

              And as I said now three -no four times - stop striking the serpents head and it will stop biting your ankles. Stop whining, so that Moshe will again strike the rock to give water. Stop lifting the serpent up, to win the day, as Moshe did with the stubborn nation of Israel. Stop listening to the serpent and trying to reason good from evil. Choose the Tree of Life, that you may live -not in the bible and definitely not the Memorex regurgitation of it.

              5:39 Edit:
              And yes, my last paragraph was snarky. I will not deny it. So, I do apologize for being a bit miffed by the constant derogatory, oft passive-aggressive game, played by the hand of many believers. I am still human, believe it or not.

              James.

              1. cynthtggt profile image78
                cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                ok. thanks.  bye. Have a great evening.  Caps lock is for emphasis

                1. jacharless profile image81
                  jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  And yourself as well.

            3. pennyofheaven profile image82
              pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I would doubt that is with the external eyes only that Jacharless would see. Most others perhaps but not Jacharless. His philosophy is much deeper than anything externally based. You might like to read more of his post's rather than base your opinions on the one post that you have chosen to comment on. Like you the inner workings of ones mind is a common thing you share.

              Hating is a very loaded word and to accuse someone of being hateful means that you can identify with that word. I would seriously look at the usage of such a loaded word.

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                genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Hate is not a word that i have used here, but I do see it. Some start to get bitter and say mean stuff about character and intelligence. Why? Can't we agree to disagree before it gets to that point. As a mature woman of almost 40, I am able to discuss without disgust. Please join me.

                1. pennyofheaven profile image82
                  pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  No I haven't seen you use that word and it reveals much about your inner nature. I do not see you as capable of being that unkind to anyone. I am with you in that we should agree to disagree or when discussions get to a point of disgust to discontinue. Most posters here do just that.

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                    genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Then, they come back;)

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            genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            James, under who's authority do you speak these words? God spoke through the miracles you spoke of, but he gave me the bible, that you use to back up your claims of godlikeness . We have the spirit within us if we so desire. But we must obey.

            1. jacharless profile image81
              jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Gen, you say He spoke directly through those things, yes? From Day One straight through the Resurrection. That accounts for nearly 5000 years of human existence. Yet at the same time you go on to say He gave you the bible. But, the bible did not come about until 600 years ago. More so, the New Testament, which seems to be the main part you connect with, versus Torah, which contains the Law-Prophets {95% of the compiled text}. Actually many items were purposes left out of the canonized text and many, many elements from the full Torah. That is another historical fact. That means there was a time line of 1400 years from the Gregorian calendar viewpoint with no New Testament, or compiled text. And that is a fact. So my question to you is, "Why did Creator all of a sudden stop speaking to humanity 600 years ago and replace it with an incomplete historical record?" Second, "How is it possible, using the incomplete verbiage in that compilation, to properly Salt the world with Truth?" in your opinion.

              James

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                genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I honestly believe the question of why God wrote it is answered in scripture. However, if not, it is obvious that he does not speak the way he did in Torrah times. I mean, when was the last time you saw a burning bush that was not consumed?
                Jesus came. He fulfilled the law and gave us access to the father. So again another obvious sign that we did not always have access.
                Jesus said to teach the commands that he gave, they all agree with God, one who does NOT change.
                Lastly, i believe that they did not have the new covenant 7000 thousand years ago because Jesus had not come...yet. Seems ok to me. The missing info is not needed. We have God in our hearts to speak that part to us, and speak, he does smile

                1. jacharless profile image81
                  jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Hmm. Do you understand why this is no longer necessary -meaning to speak via a bush, cloud, thunder or pillar of fire, etc?Umm, no comment lol
                  Correct.This is contradictory to your previous mention. If you truly believe Y`shua Moshiach provided full acess to the Father, how can access then be denied, sometimes.And I reiterate, one command in two parts: Love Abba, and fellow man -no other command is given.Correct enough. Yet it does not provide validity as to why now -after the work is complete, the necessity for textual emphasis, instruction concerning the things of Eternal Life.Precisely. Therefore making the bible absolutely unnecessary in every way regarding said instruction.

                  Unknowing, you have contradicted your statement that: Creator cannot speak to us -or rather no longer speaks to us the way he did,  When in fact speaks directly to us -inwardly; no burning bush, pillar of fire, voice in the wilderness required. {All of which were external metaphors for internal realization}. And that there are times he refrains access to His fullness when in fact through the completion of the work, granted us full access to Himself again -which was and is His Will, a complete and total restoration.

                  Indeed, now, it is the small, still voice within, that speaks like a rushing river.

                  James

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                    genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Then why is your voice so loud?

                  2. pennyofheaven profile image82
                    pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    That is assuming the dam of self is not fully constructed. Otherwise it might only be a trickle that gets through lol

              2. cynthtggt profile image78
                cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                This compilation of years is nonsense.  Please clarify more succinctly your Georgian calendar view.  The laws became of no effect after the death of Jesus Christ - which was so significant as to change our calendar.  Where do you get the 600 years of silence out of the Georgian calendar?  I got a reference souce here in front of me of the whole calendar.  I also have in my possession discussion on the Georgian calendar, so please tell me where you get your calculations?  I do wish to remind you though that after Jesus' death there was no need for direct contact OUTWARDLY (caps for emphasis) since the experience of God after the resurrection was turned INWARD as told in the Book of Acts with the HOly Spirit.  But please elaborate on your calendar so I can research what you are saying.

                1. pennyofheaven profile image82
                  pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  That is what he was trying to remind Genea about. Was the inward connection to God.

                2. jacharless profile image81
                  jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  My mention of the Gregorian is simply for present day accepted civil calendar. Yes, I do know the Gregorian was not in existence until the early 15th century, which is in close proximity to the first Biblical compilation late 14th century. I prefer the Hebrew Calendar myself.

                  Either or, my question stands -and you affirm with the emphasis -- INWARD not OUTWARD.
                  Therefore, being an inaccurate account, and being emphatically stated as The [Holy] Word of God, would like to know why it is deemed absolute -and absolutely required, an unambiguous necessity for instruction in eternal life?

                  Yes, the entire Torah -the accurate version- is a sum-substance of Moshiach, which he himself reiterated, "You study the scriptures for in them you believe you have found {the mystery, secrets} salvation, but I remind you, all those scripts refer to me."

                  All Law and Prophecy was completed and fulfilled concerning him and the Will of Creator.

                  The said New Instructions account for simply one item, defined in two parts: Agape, Abba and fellow human. Beyond this, the account called New Testament outlines the fulfillment of said Law-Prophecy, completion of the Work, Sacrificial requirement; a complete and undeniable closure of Old Coven and beginning of the New -Eternal Coven. Further, it reveals this completed Restoration {to a pre-Inception Stasis} by the event known a Resurrection, as well as fullness of that indwelling Spirit, often referenced by the event known as Pentecost. Intermixed are vague correspondences between believing Hebrews and Pauline dictations to them.

                  In short, the bible is not valuable for instruction concerning the things of Eternal Life.

                  James.

        3. pennyofheaven profile image82
          pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          How can you ask that when you believe Gods word is written in our hearts? Do you think you can do a better job than God?

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            genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Yes the word is written in our hearts. Since we are flawed, we must check against the truth. If you hear a word from your God within, you must use something to ensure that it was God.

            1. pennyofheaven profile image82
              pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Remember Joan of Ark? She is just one example when someone does not listen to the God within. All those who killed in the name of God are examples of people who do not listen to the God within. My guess is they relied on the word of God via the book never using what they had within to confirm what was of God and what was not.

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                genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I don't remember Jesus, my example, ever stating that if you want to know the truth, you will find it in you. He said pray, love God, love brother, teach my commands, and some more stuff. That is where my orders come from. The God within me is in agreeance.

                1. pennyofheaven profile image82
                  pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  That is a good thing as I see it.

        4. Chris Neal profile image84
          Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I agree. But not everyone is going to listen. "It is foolishness to the Greeks and a stumbling block to the Jew." And the arguments used by those two groups 2,000 years ago are still used today. Still, we must try.

          God bless.

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            Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You do realize that disagreement on the intent of the words only creates a stumbling block because we choose to make it a stumbling block? No one will ever agree, across the board. The beauty of that particular book is that the interpretations possible are as infinite as is the variety of life in the universe. That, in itself, may just be a miracle.

            You can certainly call that your window into the mind of God, but maybe the higher plane has an infinite number of windows. Who is anyone to believe they, alone, (or their particular group) have discerned the truth that all must bow to?

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              genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              The words of God are plain to his children. When the mind enters the equation, the truth is far away. The words of Jesus stand forever. All who agree, Jew, Gentile and many others, have life, and light.

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                Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                That's funny, because billions of people claim to be God's children. Several billion more believe in a higher power. A very small percentage of humanity refuses to entertain the possibility that there is more to the universe than what is seen. Many of these find wisdom in the Bible, but few of them agree on what they found.

                Ego and/or arrogance attempts to separate one group from another. There is no evidence that a higher power appreciates this line of thinking and plenty of evidence that it is detrimental to humanity.

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                  genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  The bible states that God's children are set apart. They think differently, along his lines. They say what he says. I understand it one way, that i cannot understand it. But i use the equipment that he gave me and accept no imitation. Many have this connection as well. They don't grapple with the unknowable to understand; they rely solely on his instructions. And when they stumble, they will not fall.You understand ? Jesus came for you. The lost. The ones walkin around looking to see the darkness. The ones who dont know that God calls and calls, but they listen to another shepherd. He came to save snd give life with a new covenant.  Hes waiting for your "yes, i need you God. Teach me your ways"

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                    Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Maybe, he's really waiting for you to turn from the darkness and into the light. To open your mind and your heart to all he is showing the world today. Maybe he wasn't imprisoned in that book like you appear to believe.

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                  pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I agree. And no matter how they try to separate it is only ever done in their minds.

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                pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Oh please plain? You do not understand what all is so what is plain about it? Do you think the mind has entered into the equation if you do not understand what all is?

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              Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Disagreement on the intent of words is a poor substitute for search for true meaning.

              No, there are not mulitple windows, let alone infinite.

              Sorry, I know I should give you a better answer and not come across so combatively, but I'm out of time. Catch you tomorrow.

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      cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Disappearinghead, John 1:12- states "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and Word was God" and goes on to describe the arrival of John the Baptist and "the Light" being Christ.  That the Word was made Flesh is in the manifestation on earth of Jesus Christ.  Christianity is not a religion, it is a philosophy, and the "Church" is the faith an individual has in his or her belief of Christ as Messiah.  To that end, to know this truth is an INWARD thing, not OUTWARD.  The Church's doctrines, for example, although founded on St. Augustine's treatises, are not in keeping with some philosophies of Christianity.  Hence, even St. Augustine purportedly laughed when he heard he would be declared a Saint.  The Hebrews are God's Chosen People, and it was through their worship of laws that Christ was made manifest so as to make the law and INTERNAL thing, rather than EXTERNAL obedience.  To put it in more secular terms, if the law were obeyed for the eyes of others only - and not one's own conscience or love of God - than the law is of no effect.  Do you understand?  God wants us to KNOW HIM and LOVE HIM.  If we all simply sacrificed an animal every time we sinned, would we be inclined to ask ourselves and our unconscious minds WHY we did the sin?  Of course not.  By Christ's death on the cross - it is now possible for man to reconcile himself to God through his INNER vessel, his heart, his soul, and his mind, rather than EXTROVERTEDLY, which is what results when one merely lives the law.  So God HAD TO PUT HIMSELF ON THE CROSS to die for our sins - so that we SEEK HIM DIRECTLY within our vessel - rather than sacrifice an animal for remission - as was the traditional practice before Christ.  WE should not look only to men for the answer, but look to THE WORD, and look to those who know the inner workings of one's mind and the deeper Christianity.  Let that be your Church (your own soul) which is the only thing we take with us when you die.

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      cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Genea, when I wrote "do not cast your pearls" I meant it in the way Jesus spoke.   Conversion happens to the individual, not collectively, which is what I believe; and it is not easy to put into words.  People who have a spiritual experience or inward change are often unable to put it into words or to convince others of what they experienced.  I just wanted to clarify that because I was rushing and did not leave an explanation.  Thanks for your question.  God bless.

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I understood.

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      cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Did you notice how all the Christians have low scores on their hubs?

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        No, i never paid attention. But hey, if God be for you...

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          cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          who can be against you?  Well, as a matter of fact, I ought to be more quiet in my heart and mind about it and take solace - but I keep telling myself that if Jesus was here in the flesh and talking to me over coffee, that He would understand why I am the way I am.  It's wrong, I would say - and we can't be silent anymore!

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            genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Yes! God has allowed us the privelege of knowing him. We can't sit on that. I often ask myself what Jesus would do; and i remember, he spoke the word. When they asked, he gave them the scriptures, or a parable.

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        schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        hey, actually my personal score is way above many others, and I am a Christian wink

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      rabergeronjrposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      To be honest, I am not sure what is meant. I mean salt did help preserve food prior to the invention of the refridgerator. So, I am guessing that salt preserves the goodness in people, until they whipe it away...unless this completely blew by me.

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        pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I like that interpretation.

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    pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago

    Jesus seemed to be pointing to our physical existence in that verse and when we lose our savour we die, then he goes on to talk about the light that we are and seems to be pointing to that as being more useful to the world. So the salt is of little value but the light is kinda thing.

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It seems to me that "losing savor" is likened unto becoming just light the world as in following "others". Then further saying that if you become just like everyone else, you are no longer useful to the kingdom of God and therefore will be, in a sense, pushed aside. Then further metaphor with the light meaning your spirit or actions should shine and make a difference for all to see.
      I'm no scholar. I just wanted some feedback on the interpretations of this passage. If the word says salt. I want to be salty smile

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        pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes that makes sense to me. Salty sounds good!

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        cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        genaea - I too understand what you mean.  One of the things we all do is "follow" what others are doing.  In sociology class, for example, and also psychology class, my teachers made me aware of how much we follow what others do without even being conscious of it.  To be salt is to not be so persuaded by groups - or mass rioting - and the like, but to look and discern as a third eye (even God's eye) thinking on Him seeking guidance.  I write a lot in my hubs - and my blog - about "collectivism".  It is such an interesting topic and a debate of political philosophy for eons.  However, in the spiritual life, I believe we evidence our love of God when we put our trust in Him, rather than groups or crowds.  Surprisingly, doing so reveals things one may not have noticed before.

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          genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you. The words you speak-type so agree with the spirit that lives within me smile following the masses is not what we as children of God can do. The "world speaks/thinks differently. Salt flavors many times its weight. We are to make a difference.

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    Emile Rposted 4 years ago

    I think, to understand, you have to take into account what salt meant to the ancients. I've read salt is where the word salvation came from. Salt represented immutable purity. Covenants were sealed in salt.

    So, the salt of the earth probably meant to be holy. To be committed to remaining consecrated to God.

    I suppose that it could be reasonably argued that the words were meant to transcend the understanding of a particular time. So, by modern interpretation, judging by our understanding of salt as the ubiquitous seasoning; maybe you guys are supposed to find the balance of seasoning that enhances our lives. Too little serves little purpose, but too much and the seasoning makes the food unpalatable.

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      opal123posted 4 years ago in reply to this

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        Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        A worthy goal to aspire to.

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      Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, to understand, we must understand the ancient uses for salt; such as healing wounds and cleansing, preserving meat, etc. Christians are supposed to heal people (physically, emotionally, mentally); they are to disinfect wounded relationships and bring righteousness acts and deeds; they are to preserve that which is good. In short they are supposed to do and say the things Jesus did.

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "Disinfect wounded relationships" good thought. I was just speaking yesterday about how God does not force loyalty. It's funny, with all that he can do to straighten us out. He allows us free will. Christians, good Christians, lose their husbands and wives because of reasons like selfishness and pride all the time. Our powers are limited by free will. Not even God interferes with it. To me, Christians can only suggest. It is up to man to try "it" and see; if they want.

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        cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes - but not for the view or approval of others.  Very important here.  There is no good anyone can do except the will of God, so when a Christian "heals" for example, it is not he that is doing it.  Now, if a Christian is a physician who heals, one credits him or her with the knowledge of medicine.  But if a Christian "tries" to be good, it usually means they are seeking acceptance from others.  Some people are good without trying to be good, while others "keep a lid" on their emotions like a perpetual volcano.  For example, if one is angry with another because they are jealous of that person, their own anger is a projection of that jealousy - and has nothing to do with anything the person actually did.  One who is a Christian seeks knowledge about their own inner workings and seeks to know themselves so they are on guard always and self-examining WHY they feel the way they do.  They do this because knowing thyself is to know what God wants us to be.  But there NO EVIDENCE of goodness anyone can do for God - all "shows" of goodness are nothing but "filthy rags" to Him.  That is because He looks on the HEART and the Christian knows this, so when the unbeliever hurts someone else they do not feel guilt about it because since they do not believe - heck - no one is watching!  What the heck, right?  But when a Christian does bad or evil (and we're all human!) they KNOW God sees their heart and thoughts.  That is why, I believe, non-believers today (the ones of yesterday were not prejudice) hate Christians.

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          genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Well stated. So right. And the spirit agrees.

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          Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I have a question. If you see hate where none exists....who has the hate in their heart?

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Love the last line:) I have witnessed "too salty" many times. So, how do we as children of God find the balance? When is enough enough?

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        Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Since I don't identify myself as a Christian, my opinion should probably be taken with a grain of salt. (no pun intended)

        I would think the balance would involve ensuring  that words and actions reflected both of the two commandments.

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          genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Please clarify this post. I definitely identify as Christian, I want to know how to not "overdo" my witness. You do remember how we went back and forth. However, it all ended well. We speak again wink clarify please.

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            jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You do not need to witness or be your own witness - nor testify on your behalf.
            So, what then?
            Only the Spirit can testify on your behalf, as He testified on behalf of Y`shua and the others. No need to seek affirmation or boast outwardly about it -to or from Creator and man. The proof will be in the pudding -err- Fruit, which only the Spirit can bring about, and the Tree of Life that transforms.

            #1. Love the Father above all things
            #2. Love your fellow man as you love yourself {a given really if #1 is proactive).

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              genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Jesus said to "tell it". We are spreading the words of God under a command to do so. Yes, self interferes. But speaking in other terms; the government of the people does not stop because politicians can be corrupt, and most often are. We cannot stop serving and spreading the word because some do it incorrectly. Yes God is good, always! People need to know.

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                jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                What words precisely are you commanded to spread? I would like to hear this.

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                  genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  All or most of the words in the bible. The words of righteousness, whispered into our ears. The truth. God's truth. And EVERY word that Jesus said (he was our example). The good news of the gospel. The testimonies of how he brought us help those who are hurting, confused, scared, or lonely. We are to tell the sinner that he may be saved by God's grace and lay all of our care on his shoulders and rest;) And i got so much more. Should i continue?

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                    jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Precisely. Self-testimony. Who is validating these testimonies? Certainly not Creator. Certainly there is no evidence of said Salt, said Kingdom by the "chosen believers".  Y`shua's words, even according to the book CAME FROM THE FATHER, who is Creator, who is the Spirit. So, my point stands. If "every word he said" is what you assume you are required to listen to, sadly, you will be disappointed, because even the text states, the things he did and said -not enough books could be written to contain them. Which means there is lot of misinformation.

                    And the only thing you are to tell the supposed "sinner" is that :"salvation has come; go and sin no more" Remember? Not all the woo-woo-la-la, condemnation, hell-fire-brimstone, false prophecies, pagan/idol worship of a man and books, BeBe & CeCe -although I love their music- etc.

                    And precisely what do you know of Gods Grace, save the text that says it is sufficient for you and that by his grace you were saved through faith?

                    You cannot save anyone, when you cannot save yourself. This is the problem. Christians automatically assume they have some kind of self-righteous holy-carte blanche, when they do not. And, the simple aesthetics of feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, caring for your fellow human in times of need are a given, not a gift {which is gloated over by the ego constantly}.  A parade of tasteless salt is science and sensation, says I.

                    Then trapping helpless folks into the doctrines. Voila! your saved because I brought you to jesus; you believed and because I helped you get a nice, hearty bowl of soup; a holy Ghost Overhaul, a Check Up from the Neck Up! Glory to God, Hallelujah!  So where's that 30 pieces of silver I was planing on tithing?
                    They did everything you taught them, everything "by the books". They cast out those devils! Fed the hungry, clothed the naked. Made those blind unbelievers see the light! Now they're saved and blessed, right? What was Y`shua response?

                    Christians know less about God than the unbelieving...

                    James.

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            Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I do remember. We did get a little tiffy.

            I may not explain this well, but I think a lot of times the evangelical zeal for God upsets the intended balance.  Because to love God was only half of what was said to fulfill all the laws of the prophets. I don't know how you find the balance because so many Christian teachings lead you to believe you don't need to. But, I think that is a great tragedy. Jesus gave his life in service to mankind. He showed the perfect balance and those who have been shining spiritual examples in our time are those who reflect that perfect balance.

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              genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Evangelical zeal for God upsets intended balance?Not sure what this means. I want to understand what the "turn-off" is.

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                Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                The turn off is the evangelical zeal shows a lack of understanding of the words and deeds of Jesus. It takes the messages and repackages it so that the evangelical is a mirror image of the religion that Jesus' ministry spoke against. It is people putting themselves on pedestals, playacting, and hoping they can snooker God  and man into thinking they are better than they know, deep down, they are. It comes off as hypocritical and fools no one on this plane of existence. I can't speak for any other.

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                  genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Are you saying that simply being excited (zealous) is a turn - off? Or the hypocrisy of many Christians??? It is not fair to a person to make such an assessment. It hurts the one turned off. But if one is turned off purposely or with mal intent, woe to him who causes loss of soul.
                  I think that the major deficit in the communication between those that believe and those who are not sure is the use of biblical scripture. Jesus heavily relied on real-world examples to convey God's message. Those who are of the world (think like everybody else/ have no savor) do not understand the deep things of God. What do you say? God's message is necessary (i think you know;) men mess it up with their own bullstuffs;) but that is no reason to chuck it ALL out the window.

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                    Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, like I said..you should take what I say with a grain of salt. But, the evangelical argument that only they understand scripture and only they have the ability to know the deep things of God doesn't fool anyone either. It's one of the many turn offs.

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    jacharlessposted 4 years ago

    Gen,
    This is the problem with all Theos, sensation or equation. Titles and Entitlement, like "I got a word" or "God gave me $1MM" or "I discovered electricity" or "We cured cancer". 100% ego on both sides. Christianity does not have any title or entitlement as the Salt of The Earth. That is a fallacy/a false doctrine. This message was told long before Christianity was invented. Spirit is not -repeat not- concerned with aesthetics, but rather concerned with creation and interaction - the experience of Life.
    The "spice of life" is the most valuable commodity, just as salt was once the most valuable commodity, for nearly 2300 years.

    Salt is one of those things that heightens existing flavors. Key word there is existing. Like electricity, that already existed, man didn't invent it, but heightened its use. Man did not create love or life, but heightens it by the flavor enhancement. Another word is seasoning. Soak fish or meat in salt, they are preserved for a season. Just as 99% of all medicines are salt based, to preserve potency.

    If someone over salts their food, it becomes inedible. This is called doctrine, boastful works, etc. If the salt losses its ability to flavor, it becomes useless and gets tossed out with the rest of the trash, to be recycled by nature as compost. This simply means that person has no genuine inspiration, is not following the rule of love and will eventually wither away, be absorbed by the things around them, until they seize to be. Salt is also a corrosive, like acid. Too much can kill a person, too little and they dehydrate.

    I am gathering these Social Network folks are just that, typical fakers, tasteless grains, no flavor. I know this is pushing the "button" but, fact is, 99.9% of Christians are just that, fakers.

    James.

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      opal123posted 4 years ago in reply to this

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        jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, the old deflection: "Allah hu akbar" {translated: God is Great}. Which seems to be the norm of Christians who cannot be truthful. Always fallback and parrot the quotes.You know what is extremely humorous about that, ONLY Christians are claiming they are the Salt of the Earth. Why is that? Entitlement by Rights of Ego. Yes indeed. No one else is comparing them. In fact, just the complete opposite. Explain how a child of 5, having no understanding of Christianity, its extremes, can easily prove what the SOTE is, without blinking. Yet, an adult continuously needs doctrine and affirmation to prove or disprove, else lay claim to being the only ones allowed/entitled to have it (when they actually do not have it) simply because they crow they believe or have "jesus in their hearts" or a "personal relationship with jesus" when in fact they have no clue who he is or who Creator is. What they have is fluffed up pillows called chapter-verse; hypnotic suggestions from the pulpit and egos the size of cathedrals.Salt and Sugar are two entirely different things. So, how can it be compared. Sure, both are flavorings, but try preserving beef in sugar, or making cotton candy from a salt block. But, I do like the culinary angle here. Sigh, I do miss the kitchen and all those cool things one can do with food stuffs.
        James

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus spoke this scripture in Matthew. He was Christ, so i guess Christianity had not developed, he was still here, speaking to us, directions. He admonished his followers to be as salt. False doctrine???

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        jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Correct, true followers.
        Sadly, Christ and Christianity are two totally different things.
        So, yes, false doctrine.
        Neither Christianity nor Christians have the right to claim they are the SOTE. I highly recommend Christians reread the passage and understand what he is talking about.
        Christianity was born out of paganism, with the Cross as the focal point.
        Everything Y`shua Moshiach taught has been corrupted and twisted by the corrupt and twisted ego of man, for the sake of self preservation and power in the form of religion -be it religion of sensation or religion of science.
        James.

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          genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I don't really get it. Christ taught us, Christians, how to live. If we follow his example, we are all false??? I know that many "Christians" are not really Christ-like at all. Is that what you mean? If so, I still believe the words. What is the "truth" as you see it?

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            jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Again, I see the enforcement of Title and Entitlement (i.e. "us, Christians"). You say he taught/teaches you, yes? But he says the Spirit is supposed to teach you -that is Creator, the Abba. Furthermore, name one Christian who is actually following his example, versus leaning on the words in books, the words from preachers or his work itself. Name me one that does not steal his testimony, as if it was their own -as if they have some secretive membership or entitlement to those things, that qualifies them to say they have this or that or know this or that about Creator. Like some kind of wall Christians run into and can never get passed, so the just keep evoking the same thing over and over, to deflect from that fact. And, sadly yes, it is a fact.
            If they truly are/were the SOTE, everything they touched, every person they met, every vibration from their very lips would be enhancing the fullness of Life in everyone and everything, just like salt heightens the flavor of everything nearly triple its original. Salt heightens flavors hidden below the surface, enriches the soil for planting even more harvests of Life. just like Y`shua did. Just like theose after the Breath reentered in full power. This is what he taught, what he did and what he asked everyone -not "Christians"- but everyone to do, say, be. He did not ask them to tell the world how cool he was, but that they had received salvation and to engage it fully.    Look at the 2000 years of this thing called Christianity and show me any proof of that salt. It is not there. Why? Christianity, like Islam, Buddhism, Socialism, Economics, etc should not exist. They are all constructs of human ego.
            Now that is an interesting question, Genaea. But this is not the thread for that. smile
            James

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              genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              This may be exactly the thread for your beliefs. How can you tell me that I am "off" without then providing a viable alternative?
              Also, the words of the bible are real to me, maybe to you, since you know a bit about it. So, then you should be aware that the bible is a set of instruction/principles for the Christian believer. It cannot be applied if you don't believe it's contents. All of them. Also, being for the believer, the believer is entitled to all of the promises contained therein, meant for him/ her. Love, joy, peace, etc., are all things that God intends for his children. We are entitled to those gifts as his children because the bible (a set of instruction/principle for the one who believes) says so.
              Finally, show you proof of salt over the oast 2000 years??? Surely, you jest:)

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                jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Hmm, okay, a spark of free thinking here. I like it.
                A bit? Em, sure, you could say that, as I am certified in it from Rhema and ministered to both mega church and Wildwoods type places for quite some.That is completely false. There was never a desire by Creator, nor Y`shua, to compile any book or self-instruction guide to being a "good believer". And this IS by far the ultimate problem. Same as science using their books as instruction manuals for being "good scientists", whilst both destroy creation in the name of their respective belief systems/religions.
                Watch carefully: the entire purpose of your existence, the law, prophets, the Work and coming of the Spirit, was to restore everything previously undone by one man -Adam. The Spirit within, translated ruach or Breath of Life/Power of Creator, is to be the only instructor Why? Because only the Creator can lead you into all Truth, from Aleph to Tov. Therefore the contents of a book -or series of books and correspondences {letters} primarily by one person, Saul, cannot be dubbed the instructions for Walking In Spirit. And although I dislike doing this: I quote, "And those who love and worship Creator, who keep his commands MUST Walk In Spirit and in Truth". As a result of a bleeding lack of understanding, and pure laziness really, coupled with selfishness and paganism, the religion know as Christianity was solidified. In the mid 14th century, when the first bible ever was compiled, the people who did so, had far greater ill intentions that you or I can imagine. An intent to restore the Romulus-Remus empire. Adding in doctrines about demons, and so on. They altered the translations, adding and leaving things out from the documents they possessed. So, the contents are not relevant regarding the "all Truth".  nor can they be used to apply a full and real sense of practical faith. Instead they produce pseudoscience, pseudo-faith. Again, not entirely correct. You are aware the Hebrews believed the same regarding their promises -99% of which Christians think are theirs as well?! Are you aware the Old Coven is no longer in effect, nor the materialistic aspects given to those nations who came out of Abram? The promises -which existed in Adam- have been restored. However, no "Christian" is entitled to them any more than a Hebrew, Muslim, Atheist, Scientist or Sadhu, just because they "believe" or evoke the text as chapter-verse. To receive any and all promises, one must walk in Spirit. Why? Because all the promises point to and are apart of Eternal Life, manifested in each person who walks so.lol Maybe not proof of 2000 years, one full day would suffice.
                Interestingly, I expected to have this conversation with another Hubber, which -thank goodness- did not happen. {wipes brow} big_smile

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                  genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Ok, so my bible is not the one for you. Too altered. Do you have the original text? Is it available on ebay? Because I am sure that since God wanted everyone to know the truth, he would not hide it in a vault or crypt. Please tell me where you have found the truth. You seem to have lost your first love, you said you taught GOD's word before?

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                    jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Actually I owned nearly 15 different translations, at one point, including the Arabic {thanks mom}, Greek and Hebrew translations, and a stack of highlighters to boot!Actually, there is no "original" version. There never was. The texts they put together -apart from Torah- were found years earlier. Recently, even more letters and "gospels/testimonies" have been discovered.Exactly!On the contrary, I never lost Him nor was I really lost either, just suffering from the same amnesia everyone else has/had -same thing Adam went through. And yes, for nearly twenty years or more ministered the book, chapter and verse, did the laying on of hands, even taught demonology and the whole smiling-preacher, soft-music, solemn altar calls, baptisms, salvation ovation -the works. Which brings us now to your question:Simply put, I gave myself a time out. I reflected on everything I had ever done or said -didn't do, didn't say; scrolled through all the countless memorized texts and came to a point of exhaustion. I asked myself a simple question, "Why would the Creator of the universe need a mediator -a book- to communicate, instruct His most finest, most awesome, most powerful, most glorified and most beautiful creation -a human being, me?" I didn't really have to wait long for that answer. It came rushing in like the Red Sea over Pharaoh Ramses II. "The word is in you, both to hear it and do it." To back it up, "I write my word on their hearts." When the author of John said the word became flesh, what he meant was the ruach -the life force, the breath of Creator. That EXACT statement was first said when He created humans. "And breathed into them the Word, the Breath of Life, the Ruach." To further back this up, I recalled, "And if that same Spirit that raised Y`shua from the grave dwells in you..." That same Spirit is the Father, is Creator, is the Breathe of Life. And even more "...there was no temple in the city, for He is the temple, his glory is the Light."  In short everyone of us is the word of God. I had read these things before, but the impact was just mind blowing. I was beside myself. Literally, out of my mind at that very moment. It was as though that veil, that iron curtain, that temple curtain was finally torn in two pieces, opening access to what I was born to understand.

                    So, I got one-on-one with my Abba to see if he was really there. Sure, I was told he was, read he was, even taught he was and would go so far as to say I felt he was -but I was lying, to myself. I had literally deceived my own heart, using every human resource at my disposal, to manifest everything I thought was Truth. Quite a complex situation & system. One that kept the carrot in front of me, but never let me eat it -like billions of my fellow humans. The real satan, adversary, accuser wasn't some non-existent entity and his 33% now wingless henchmen. No sir, it was my own ha-satan -my mind.  Like Adam, I was living in my own deception, a slave to my thoughts, to the Knowledge of Sin {also known as good-evil, right-wrong, duality, choice}. I bit into it with eyes wide open, excited like a child on Christmas morning. For years it controlled me, ever action reaction, everything. Long story short, I proceeded to close the books, toss out the accessories and start fresh. Just getting alone with Creator -not for a few minutes a day, or even a whole day. But a lot -as often as possible. No aesthetics, no quotes, no texts, nothing but Him and I. The result has been exactly what He said. And every day, I go further out of my mind {chuckles} and into the spirit. It is taking some time to undo what I did to myself -and man, what i did to myself {shakes head}... But it is inevitable that I be transformed into that image He said I would be, the image Adam was when he was created, the image Y`shua is as the firstborn among many. Literally passing -like the Passover and the Promise- from death to Eternal Life -body, brain and spirit. Restoring the Kingdom within, the Ruach, the Spirit of Creator -that Seed of Life itself.

                    It isn't pseudo based, book based, whatever. It is based on full and unconditional practical faith. Do I still struggle with my mind for control? Of course. I kind of understand why Adam responded the way he did after he ate of it. lol. I too was stoned on information overload. And kept cramming it in, like it there was no tomorrow. How could I not? It tasted so good. Had to be the best thing I ever tasted. And I couldn't get enough. I could -so I thought- manipulate my thoughts at will, when in fact, it was my thoughts manipulating me. I was literally addicted to myself, to my own thoughts -as beautiful as those billions of light frequencies are. My thoughts parading like an angel of light. I was illuminated higher than a cocaine addict. Higher than high, beyond transcending, beyond yogi-jinn, beyond enlightened. I was thoroughly stoned to the point of, "duh."

                    I know already what is going to happen. I knew it when I was created. We all know it. Just like Adam knew every animal and then named them for good measure, just like he knew the Tree of Life stood right next to the Tree of Knowledge. The difference, I suppose, is I have accepted my mistake of rejecting the real salvation -the real good news- for the sake of self indulgence/ for knowledge -even what I believed was the Knowledge of God, yes. But more importantly, I have actually accepted the Gift of Restoration. I suppose, when a person gets to that place, the Eye of the Needle, the Pinnacle of the Temple, its either they go in or just stare through the keyhole, at what's going on behind the door, and enjoy the entertainment...

                    James.

                    Edit: This is really interesting, second time in the last day I am opening up like this to folks here.

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                    pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    That's what I understood jacharless to mean. No it is not hidden in a vault or crypt nor is God in words of the bible. It is within the spirit that dwells within you.

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      And you are right. Not everyone that cries Lord, Lord is his.

    4. pennyofheaven profile image82
      pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      That makes sense.

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    Hmtrio2posted 4 years ago

    True-that is!

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    genaeaposted 4 years ago

    Changing my pic. One eye is now history.

  7. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    Salt is a compound element: Sodium and Chloride. Salt exists in the human body. At the time of death, almost immediately, dehydration begins, and the H2O  (Another elemental compound) When dehydration is complete, all that remains is the dust (made up of other elements, including iron...and sodium/chloride. Part of you literally becomes the salt of the earth. Think about that next time you grab the salt shaker.smile

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      opal123posted 4 years ago in reply to this

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Sounds good;) I believe the term Christian comes from those who follow Christ's example and believe that he died to give us abundant life. When you believe like I, you know that Jesus is the only way to the father.

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            recommend1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I am pleased for both of you - however, belief on its own does not make anything so.

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              genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Our pleasure with the matter makes no difference. Right is right. When you believe the right thing, who loses?

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                recommend1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                The belief that right is right (because you say so) was totally crushed when people realised that Hitler was absolutely certain that he was right in exterminating the Jews, and burning Europe - I am sure that Bush believed he was right in his self serving war on Islam.  Your book gets it wrong many times, for instance when it talks about stoning adulterers, dividing families and so on - right and worng are subjective values, there is no universal 'truth' beyond most people believe something and so universally agree.

                When you say something is right or wrong you are only attempting to impose your view of things on others.  That you get your right and wrong 'written on your heart' is close to insanity, and is ow bipolar people are certain that they are being told to do thijngs, sometimes terrible things.

                I totally reject such a blind path that has direct physical effects on others because of a metaphysical 'feeling' that you 'believe' tells you what is right  and wrong.

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                  genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I am not angry. Take care! smile

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                    recommend1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I already realised that you don't understand.

  8. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    There is one ultimate force. All else are aspects of that ultimate force. That force is a pre-universal energy state, that same state which preceded this reality, and all other realities. (There are other realities, as suggested by string theory. The generator of the separate strings are black holes.) There are many levels to god...we are one of those levels. Why? Because we became more than the sum of our parts, as we were programmed to do. Be fruitful and multiply. Here, on this level, it is for us, as the dominators of this ecosystem, to once again prove we are more than the sum of our parts. Benevolent god or malevolent god. You already are, and always has mankind been, one or the other.

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      This is so not what I want to discuss. I will not puff myself up enough to assume equality with my creator. But, if that is your take, have at it. Guess you dont need prayer; you're answering them???

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        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I would never to presume that I or you are greater than our master. I said that there are different levels, that everything is of a divine nature, and that what we call as God is the highest level, and we occupy the lowest level, but at that level, as written in Genesis, we are granted dominion over this world. If we insist on conducting ourselves in a malevolent manner, reflecting the negative aspect which God himself claims authorship of, then that will indeed determine our continued survival. That is whether there is a God or not...but help us all if there isn't. I have witnessed, beyond a shadow of doubt, proof of the Presence, and just why would your God, for it could have been no other, reveal his presence to me? My ego lay slain, for I am in surrender and service. Close your judgemental eyes. "It is written in the scriptures, and the scriptures cannot be broken...You are all gods." Jesus, sometime around 33A.D..
        "God lives inside of you...his light shines from out of your eyes." Jesus, sometime around 33 A.D. When you think...you pray. God knows your every thought...how could it be otherwise? God sees from your eyes and every eye...God hears from every ear. This is the truth of the eternal prophet, Melchesidek.

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          genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Where are we in dis-agreement?

  9. schoolgirlforreal profile image77
    schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago

    if the salt loses it flavor what is it to be salted with?

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      That is the question. So how do we as Christians salt the earth?

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        schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        We keep a steady supply from the Word

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      pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      You get trampled on. You don't get any other seasoning if I remember correctly lol

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        schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        wink lol wink lol lol
        lol lol lol lol vlol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

  10. jacharless profile image81
    jacharlessposted 4 years ago

    So, I have been watching -or rather reading- from a distance and would like to add a footnote:

    Gen,
    You seem very genuine, endearing even. Still staunch though, imo. Your every post is peppered with biblical sound bites, which confirms a thought I had and possibly expressed earlier: this is not you speaking but the words of others, no doubt ministers, etc, who convinced you by whatever means that the book is all there is -be it instruction, reference, safety. This is also called head knowledge versus heart knowledge aka experience. Again, the only reason I can testify to that is because I taught thousands upon thousands the same thing.
    The book is not the issue really, as is the worship or better said idol worship of it. Hebrews did the same thing, if you recall.

    Will go out on a limb here and say yes, I can prove you do not need the bible at all in any way, shape or form to know, understand, commune with, experience, and learn from Creator.

    You asked me how I know the Spirit in me is that same Spirit. My answer is simple: because there is no other Spirit. It took years for Creator to break through that stubbornness because I too was convinced into worshiping the book and the rhetoric of it. I would hope you not go through the same. But, the only way to find out is to put it to the test and see which is greater: the book or the Creator.
    And do not  think for even a second he cannot tell you everything without the book, because he was here long before the book and will be here long after there are no books.

    James

    1. schoolgirlforreal profile image77
      schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      you're complex. care to speak up a little closer? big_smile

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        jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol touche!

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The words of the bible are God's words, believe it or not. My posts are peppered with scripture because my words are not adequate enough. I don't know any other words. I realized a long time ago that life without God is excruciating. There was no rest for me until I stopped to understand why my body did not do what my heart said. Yes, God has always lived within me, but it is not so with everyone. Do you believe John Gacy had God's spirit within him when he...? What about Adolph when he...? And Pharoh??? God does not live in us all for most of us are unclean and you know that he don't play that. Darkness and light cannot exist together and so it is with God and evil. No other spirit??? Bite your tongue. Please don't make me preach!!! wink

      1. pennyofheaven profile image82
        pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        If you believe Gods word is written in the heart of man, how is the bible different to what it written in the heart? The word of God  is a translation of what is written in the heart, perhaps that is what you were pointing to? Does it not make sense to you to go to the source rather than second hand. Meaning rather than read about what another perceived as God?

        Why would you need words of the scripture to know how to give love, compassion, mercy, forgiveness etc. Unless of course you believe they do not naturally exist in man?

        I will ask again, where does God go when the temple is unclean?

        You seem to limit God when you say God cannot exist with evil.

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          genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I am not giving you my opinions here. Im simply sharing the bible as i believe it to be the word of God. The question is crazy. Where does God go??? You tel me. But his word says that he will not dwell in an unclean temple. Inside of you, the war of good and evil persists. We mist constantly choose to follow God.

          1. pennyofheaven profile image82
            pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            God goes nowhere. God is within. We choose or choose not to acknowledge what is within. God will appear to not dwell there if we have an unclean temple. However that does not mean God does not dwell there. If you constantly follow the God within you will clean out the temple and lo and behold under all the uncleanliness you will find what never went anywhere.

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              genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              And where did that come from?

              1. pennyofheaven profile image82
                pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                The heart and the written word.

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              genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I mean the information. Where?

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        jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Like Emile, I am going to make this my final post, in this thread.
        There is no value in rehashing the same point and getting nowhere.

        I say there is only one spirit, because it is true. How?
        Creator is Spirit, is His words.
        Everything was designed, framed and fashioned by His words, translated ruach.
        Confirming this: so the things unseen can now be seen.
        This is the universe and everything in it.
        Your spirit is His Spirit, like a drop of Himself, the Seed of Life, Kingdom of Heaven.
        Since His Spirit is His Words, your spirit -heart- is also his words.
        In fact, every fiber of your being is his words, even your mind -your thoughts.
        The very air you breathe are his words.
        In Him is [Eternal] Life and -watch very closely- Life is the light in man.
        That light is your spirit -heart- the Word of Creator, the power of Love.
        "And breathed into man the breath of Life and man became a living being".
        Living being means eternal. Why? Because the Creator is eternal, is Spirit, your spirit, his words.

        When a person hardens their heart, their mind takes control and does whatever they put there hands to. They seek the external, hoping to change or understand the internal. This parable was told as well:
        "The outside of the cup is clean, but the inside unclean". Unclean is the same as evil, darkness, void of light, ha-satan. Like you saying you got a word internally, then going externally to the bible to get confirmation, which is pointless. "It is not what goes into a man that makes him unclean {evil, dark}, but what comes out.  Because, when you go external, the mind gets in the way.

        Saying you do not trust your heart, is saying you do not believe salvation has really come to you. That Creator is not in you. Which is a lie, because his word -himself is your spirit. The mind is in opposition to the Truth, which is already in you. The Spirit is Truth and leads/guides into all Truth. Jesus told you this. He told you he was leaving so that Spirit would come and complete the Will of Creator. This means the Creator guides you from within, revealing everything to you, through the heart. Writing his words further on your heart. The pipeline of his words, Himself, to your heart is that River of Life. Spirit to spirit, life to Life. Word to word. And His word does not return to him void of light, nor dark, nor unclean. The word cannot resist, nor deny itself. What blocks the flow which makes you believe you cannot trust your heart, is that hardness of heart -your own understanding, thinking, reasoning. Same thing the Hebrews did. They preferred to trust the text which Moses and the prophets gave them, for a short time, and not trust the Spirit  -the Creator Himself -who had shown them over and over his love and power. His will, to see them set free from their own thinking. Set free from the Adamic Inception, the Fall and restore them fully by his own hand. The Hebrews were so stubborn about keeping the text, worshiping that text to extremes, they went so far as to tear their clothes, pull out the hair from their own beards, roar in extreme anger, and ultimately have the Messenger killed by the hand of their own enemies.

        In short, the bible may contain fragments of the words of Creator, which man wrote down, but they are not the fullness of his himself, his spirit, which he breathed into you -which is the Word of Creator.
        To be the Salt of The Earth, to season it and flavor it with the Truth, you have to use the heart; a heart so full of his presence, it beams light outward for everyone to see and hear -and they too put their trust in Him.

        James.

        1. pennyofheaven profile image82
          pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Nice.

          1. jacharless profile image81
            jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks Penny.

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    genaeaposted 4 years ago

    Guess what I just found out!!! smile. We as God's children were instructed to write the words of God on OUR OWN hearts. So we don't forget what he says! I am so relieved!!! We are not God's! We need his word. And we must go get it!!! SEEK and you will find. Knock, and the door will be opened to you. My God is AWESOME!!!

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      pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yes in our hearts God will put them. In our minds God will give us the ability to write them. So we have in our hearts or in our minds. You have chosen those of another's mind. Ok

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Penny, I have chosen the word of God. It is so necessary to know so as not to be fooled by other spirits. I have seen the passage of scripture that says that the new covenant is that God has written his laws into the hearts of his children. It further says, we wom't have to tell others to know God. For they will know him already. I am not sure of the interpretation for Jesus after he rose said to go out into the world and teach all nations baptizing them in the nsme of the father, son, and holy spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands i have given you. I will find out, and i will be back.

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          pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes the word of God written by other men. I understand that. You rely on scripture rather than what is written in your heart, ok I get that.

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            genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Right. As i've already said, I don't trust my own heart. I cannot even begin to think that listening to the God within me is enough. I need a point of reference, for myself i cannot be. I need to know that the word that i hear is not flavored with my own self/ ego. I must follow this path.
            Please tell me what it is that you are basing your information on.

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              pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              What information do you mean?

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    genaeaposted 4 years ago

    Ok, Heb 10:16 says he will write the words. Gimmie a sec.

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    recommend1posted 4 years ago

    Maybe this thread has reached the gibberish stage now.  Random people deciding that one sect among thousands holds all the answers and all the truths is ridiculous enough,  but I guess such childlike minds are easy led.  I do object to such silliness in modern times when we know far better about so much of what was only belief before.

    I do not intend to leave babble unchallenged or let childish drivel be discussed as though it has any basis in reality.  To believe old myths intended for ignorant people to be the word of some mythical being just makes the believer ignorant.

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Ok, i get it. You don't believe me. Thanks for sharing. What else is left?

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        recommend1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        What is left is the start of the real discussion about how love and tolerance and people living together in better ways is to be accomplished in the modern world now that we know that the last sets of instructions from eople of the past have run their course and no longer work in any way.

        Little groups of people choosing to believe different books, different versions of the same books and different interpretations of those same books is totally counter-productive - look at Bush with his 'crusade' against Islam as a cover for snatching the oil fromvarious mid-east countries !  He got huge support from american christians for his crusade and even the current disgusting human being of a pope chimed in with an attack on Islam at the same time to promote the war.

        Simple belief in the simple basic principles that can be agreed are 'good' by people who are clearly in the business of doing good are fine, but threading it all through with outdated morals and misunderstood principles does nothing but harm and make you fodder for political manipulaters.

        Right is right when youknow why, good is good when you know why, blind adherence to the principles of others is a total waste of time.

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          genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          God does not change. Neither does his word.

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            cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            To the guy above who is the Christian hater:  I find your comment very offensive.  Your views are more "religious" and prejudice than that which you are attempting to criticize.  Bash Bush, bash Bush.  The oil argument has become so passe, since it was one that could be made with presidents before Bush going back 40 years - and don't forget about the vote for the war from both parties.

            The I hate Bush thing is really We hate all Christians.  Bush is the poster guy for all Christians (or should I say "machismo" Christians with a TExas accent?" - who by the way are stereotyped incorrectly as "good looking" "rich" and if a man "handsome" and if a woman "pretty."  That's all it is.  Is it jealousy?  The hate of a "group" of people called Christian is YOUR prejudice and your hate - and like all the left like you all you do is "create" exaggerations and lies to further your hate-filled propaganda.  Liberalism today is a "religion," not a politic.  REal liberalism was hi-jacked. Below is an outline of how liberals get everyone to hate Christians:
            1.                     The Abandoned Road
            2.                     The Great Utopia
            3.                     Individualism and Collectivism
            4.                     The “Inevitability” of Planning
            5.                     Planning and Democracy
            6.                     Planning and the Rule of Law
            7.                     Economic Control and Totalitarianism
            8.                     Who, Whom?
            9.                     Security and Freedom
            10.                   Why the Worst Get on Top
            11.                   The End of Truth
            12.                   The Socialist Roots of Naziism
            13.                   The Totalitarians in Our Midst
            14.                   Material Conditions and Ideal Ends
            15.                   The Prospects of International Order

            Sound familiar?  It's been done before.  Yawn. How history repeats itself.

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    genaeaposted 4 years ago

    Yes! When Jesus was here he spoke of this very scripture from the OT. "I will  put my laws in their hearts and write them on their minds." New covenant allowed no further "sacrifice" for sin because Jesus paid. Then the Holy Spirit was sent into the world after Christ had risen. The Holy Spirit is our guide. Yet, Jesus left instruction for us to teach everyone all the commands he spoke.

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    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    Then, when Jesus said:" God dwells within you. His light shines from out of your eyes." What did he mean? Was he lying? Mistaken? Sounds pretty plain to me, and if the omniscience aspect, it is the only logical conclusion. God is inseparable from the spirit, and the spirit is inseparable from man. We are all the same thing. Jesus said "You are all gods" Geuss he screwed up saying that huh? Face it, Cag...a year and a half ago, I had to tell you where Genesis was in the bible...you should pack your peashooter and go home.

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Would Jesus have had to make that statement if it were true for everyone? The spirit of God WILL NOT dwell in an unclean temple.

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        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        " Call not unclean that which has been cleansed." We can do this for the next thirty years...Not accepting his word is a denial of the spirit. If his death upon the cross was to take upon himself the sins of the world, why do you think he only removed the sins of certain ones? Paul taught that we are defiled from our birth, yet, Jesus said that children were the most blessed in all of heaven. You are too involved in Pauline doctrine, and I have nothing to say that would interest you. Peace

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          genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You must know what it means to be cleansed. You cannot find out in your own. The word (that you know) must tell you.

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        cynthtggtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Drude, what he meant was health and introspection.  The eyes are the windows of the soul.  Haven't you looked at someone with strange eyes or evil eyes?  "He has the evil eye" one might say.  Or haven't you seen intelligence in one's eye.  Surely, like Charles Krauthhaumer of Fox News, doesn't he look intelligent?  Did you know that like exercise for the body, reading and working your mind hard actually will make you appear intelligent looking without you being aware?  Proven study.  It's true.  Got work at it abit.

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        pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Inseparable is inseparable. Only in your mind does it sound like God is dwelling elsewhere if the temple is unclean. This is where literal interpretation falls short. This is where the spirit that dwells within will clear it up for you.

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      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      You're so full of it. roll

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    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    Actually, I was commenting last on the aspect that Cag only focuses on the biblical application, when he himself used biblical or otherwise spiritual terms in what he obviously intended to be secular introspection. I, as the kettle claim I am no blacker than he, the pot. When I speak of carbon based life...what is mystical to him? That all life is based on a lump of coal? Amazing, but it is true. Plants, animals, fish and birds...insects and bacteria too. All life is based on carbon, and energy is essential for all of it. Including big bangs and evolutions.

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      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I don't focus only on biblical applications. Duh!
      Apparently, as per usual, more BS from you.

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        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Prove it to be B.S. When it is I who is speaking, you invariably invoke the "MYSTICAL" Fact is, everything I say is based in science. Would you like to see my library?

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          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Approximately 90% of the time you open your mouth and it's plastered all of the forums. I don't need to prove anything, least of to you.
          Well, you're the one who originally claimed to be a mystic.
          G/god is not science.
          No thanks. It isn't necessary, but I do appreciate the offer.

          1. Druid Dude profile image60
            Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Did I claim that? Or did you assume it. And If God exists...then God is science.

            1. Cagsil profile image84
              Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, you did, when we first met in the forums.
              Then there's no worry. No G/god required, needed or warranted.

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    awareposted 4 years ago

    Jesus Christ . sighs

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Why do you think that is?

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    awareposted 4 years ago

    Jesus Christ!

  19. cynthtggt profile image78
    cynthtggtposted 4 years ago

    Cagsil, you're the one who is irrationally hateful.  Why do you need to torment genaea.  Do you doubt your own beliefs?  Does it matter whether she agrees with you?  I read your posts and her response and it is not intellectual at all but just bash bash bash.  Why?  It seems that you hate her because she believes in God.  If you do not believe in the bible of God, so what!  Have confidence in your atheism.  Be proud of it.  Your beratement of her only makes her look good and makes you look bad.

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      genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Darkness and light do not exist together. If he hates the idea of God, he cant help himself. I have prayed. God is here. Thanks!

      1. Cagsil profile image84
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Darkness is nothing more than the absence of light. Of course, the two don't exist together, that's basic science.
        The 'idea' of G/god isn't something I hate. What I do deal with is the irrationality of those who think that a G/god would have anything to do with the life of humans, especially, if it is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, which the bible claims it's G/god is. And, I'm sorry to tell you, but those three things cannot, cannot exist inside one entity. It's not possible, not probable and most likely the entity has never existed. The paradox- omnipotent? Can G/god create a rock which HE cannot pick up?
        lol lol

    2. Cagsil profile image84
      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      My dear lady, I don't have a hateful bone in my body. I would even sacrifice my life for yours, if given the opportunity, so do tell me again how I'm irrationally hateful.
      You know, didn't your parents bring you up properly? Or is your upbringing that has you twisted in thinking torment or persecution?
      What beliefs? That's the problem with Christians and so many other people who lack understanding about their own life. You seem to think that almost everything stated by someone is a belief of some sort or just opinion.
      No. She isn't required to agree with me.
      Having yet another problem with your own reflection. If you're unable to have a conversation with you insinuating someone is hate-filled because they disagree with you or have knowledge you've yet to learn, then maybe you should get over yourself already and be done with it.
      I would love to have an intellectual conversation with any religious person. The only problem is....most cannot deal with what is brought to the table for conversation and the spit nastiness, like you are now, because they cannot handle or grasp things outside themselves.
      Actually, I love her just as much as I love you or any other person on this planet. Can you say the same? Would you sacrifice your life for a complete stranger? If not, so much for the love you supposedly learned.

      I deal with the irrationality of the belief of a G/god existing. There's actually no need for it. And, now I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell a lot of other people.

      Life doesn't require any knowledge of any G/god to be understood.
      Life doesn't require any knowledge of any G/god to be lived.

      Therefore, No G/god required. Get it?
      Irrationality is dangerous.
      I'm not an Atheist.
      Proud? Are you serious? That's an ego driven action.
      I'm sure it does, but since I'm still here and your supposed "beratement" is a lie. I'm attempting to deal with the irrationality of her nature.

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        genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So glad this post is not for me. However, I realize that ego is the reason you (and others) break up the posts. You pick (rather nit-pick) through each point to ensure you spread "your" flavor thoroughly. It is so prideful. Actually, you (and others) are so full of self that God could NEVER penetrate!!! Time is getting short. Your understanding is too finite. Faith works better. You don't have to wrestle with the W's of life. Lean on his word and live. Or don't.

        1. Cagsil profile image84
          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          lol
          Actually you would be wrong on that account as well.
          Untrue. I take your statements at face value, determine whether or not, they are irrational or rational....like seeing if they stand on their own, which most of the time with believers, most don't.
          I'm not prideful at all and you wouldn't say that if you actually knew what I know.
          Self? BS.
          Actually, it's not.
          I don't misplace my faith. The only true faith required is to have faith in yourself to discern true wisdom and faith in humanity.
          I don't. I've answered every question ever asked. My hubs deal with it.
          I understand Jesus' true teachings and if you leave out the mystical BS which existed until after the Dark Ages, then we wouldn't have a problem.
          No need to, just like there's no need for the existence of a G/god.

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    genaeaposted 4 years ago

    Penny, i lost your comment. I believe i missed you on one.

    1. pennyofheaven profile image82
      pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think so. I will go check though. It has been a long thread.

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        pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Here is the one you have not left a comment on?

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          genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Ok, so, where is he then, knocking? Inside you? That's a little literal, don't you think?

          1. pennyofheaven profile image82
            pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Knocking at that door in one's mind that negates God's existence. Like that little voice within that one cannot hear when self is thinking or talking.

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              genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, but what happens if you decide that you no longer want the truth. Say, someone came along and whispered some stuff, in opposition to God' law in your heart, and you decided that it makes waaay more sense than what God says?

              1. pennyofheaven profile image82
                pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Then one is listening to 'self'. God is still there whispering so to speak and if we do not listen it is our choice. God doesn't go anywhere. The more we listen to self the less we can hear or discern which is which. This is where the book may be useful for some. The trouble can sometimes be though is they fail to look within to confirm what is taught via the book. They sometimes take what they are being taught by the leaders of certain faiths as law without confirming whatever with the God within. It only becomes major when a leader might advocate that we have to go to war in the name of God because God told the leader that they had to in order to please God. From what I have learned KKK are devout followers of the bible. In particular proverbs. Their logic is based on their faith that their translation of what proverbs means is correct. They falsely believe that their interpretation is in alignment with Gods will. This illustrates well how followers may not bother to confirm what their leaders advocate by using the God within.

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                  genaeaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  The bible says, all that cry Lord, Lord are not his. People twist God's word all the time for self. Also, the bible says, to study so you won't be fooled. It is available for all. Not everyone can know about Jach's Yoshi, but everyone has access to the father, if they wish. ( his wish.)

                  1. pennyofheaven profile image82
                    pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    My point was how people can often trip up in their translations of the bible because they do not use the God within.