Many, not all, Christians on HubPages are not at all apologetic about their narcissistic view of existence in general and of the human condition in particular. Is that surprising? In their failure to view the world as it is and take some form of responsibility for their interactions they are, in reality, looking abysmally on the rest of humanity, the earth as a whole and, in so doing, are thumbing their nose at the universe in general.
Sorry, I just felt like saying that.
Smh, what has Christianity or Christians done to poor little Emily, you seem to have a lot of aggression and angry. Let's talk it out. Sn how did you get away with saying bastard, I said, "Big Bang Gang (as in hairstyle) in a question yesterday and they hanked my question. Is there a double stand if you are Christian you can't say "BIG BANG GANG!"
Yep - christians are also keen to play the victim card, could'nt be anything to do with not understanding the difference between using a common English word and a phrase associated only with rape now could it.
@ the panda, when did "Big Bang Gang" be misunderstand as "Gang Bang" I won't even engage you on your views, I am certain they are as ridiculous as your profile picture, hide behind a bear. Also speak when spoke to, unless your name is Emile of course. Sorry I only engage people .
nasty too - definately a good ol christian here then
Your total misunderstanding of how the internet finds words etc indicates that you should take a look at the learning section of hubpages.
Nasty, hmm, how do you presume I respond to someone talking when not spoken to and insinuating rape? Really and what did you think I was going to do, I think I gave you the same respect you gave me. As far as being a good ole Christian, you are entitled to your own opinion as am I, bear. As far as your miseducations of specific wording, there you go again going off half-cocked. Oops, do you want to take that out of context as well. Sn, the expression is OLE, I will even take old, but ol, get out of here! You must be from the good ol' South, am I right? Don't answer that don't really care. Taking lessons from you bear, no thanks! Happy hubbing or should I say Horrible Hubbing, thats how you will take it anyway, you seem to have an uncanning knack for misunderstanding and butting in where you are not summoned.
As the OP says, Narcissism bastard son of religion, or daughter in this case I guess. This is a thread - anyone can comment, not just those you would like to comment.
Your misunderstanding and ignorance of the internet is your problem - not me, get over yourself.
Aww bear, get over myself huh? As far as internet ignorance, thats you all day. I would lap you on my worst day, thats why pandas are in short supply. Now I am a bastard daughter, you are laughable dear bear. You came on here looking for a fight and don't care who it was with. You are definitely one of those people that answers when no one is talking to you, lonely I guess. The difference between you and Emilie is she obviously had integrity and reason, you are just angry and may want to seek help. You had no idea what I was talking about and jumped into the conversation yelling rape, get out of here. From now on, try to keep your minut opinions in the cage, where they belong.
You expected to be allowed to say BIG BANG GANG? My, oh my, how dare you!!
Just kidding. I'm not attempting to pick on any one and I haven't been violated by any Christians. (with the exception of the fact that they insist on mispelling my name) Honestly, I just copied the name of the thread Nihilism...bastard son of atheism and rearranged a few words and thoughts.
Chill out. Is it your contention that many Christian philosphies aren't a little narcissitic?
Lol, I didn't purposely misspell your name, was multi-tasking. Hmmm, copy cat, you sure you're not Christian, just kidding. I honestly thing it has been used as tool for some to push their agenda, good and bad. Its such a vast religion I think people could see that more if there wasnt such a need to quickly call things that the majority doesn't accept heresy or pagan. I think there is truth has to be sought. Are there narcissist in Christianity, yes, but its not just Christianity as long as there are people it will be an issue, narcissism is not new to man.
I am a Christian. I think it is very clever. I saw the forum, but did not open it. My guess is it was antagonistic, and this is a smart rebuttal. I appreciate humor. God made me that way.
I really appreciate your honesty in this post. As a Christian my first reaction should be to defend my position, but that would simply prove your point. The fact is your point is on target! Many Christians are very narcissistic in their public and private lives. This should be viewed only as it is - about the person and not about Christianity itself.
Now that you have said that...
What is the next step? Do we discuss the view that the true essence of Christianity should destroy narcissistic thoughts and actions? Do we consider that a Christian claims to be a follower of Christ who exposed self-absorbed ideas and lifted up humility and love as the greatest virtues?
I'm just curious what you think should come next?
That would be a great start. The question is, how do you get through to people where their narcissism begins? How do you get through that it isn't the voice of the 'Holy Spirit' telling them it is OK be selfish and self centered?
Yes, we do consider the hypocrisy involved in the claim, juxtaposed against the actions of the individual.
Honest reflection. Movement toward a more compassionate view. A revolution in your ranks. Not much more than that.
I really like your response:
Honest reflection...important for everyone! Believers should consider their ways. We need a very healthy dose of introspection. It isn't the Holy Spirit telling you that you are the center of the universe. I see this in business and every other dealing with others. And please don't hide behind some lame saying like "Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven." That only proves the point.
Movement toward a more compassionate view...Wow! We must stop ignoring Jesus who said, "By this (love) shall all men know that you are my disciples." I guess the only way for people to know that you're a disciple if you not loving is for you to tell them? Oh yeah, that ISN'T working. Must be the reason Jesus said so.
A revolution in your ranks...been trying to accomplish that for a long time. I love these kinds of posts because they remind me that there's a lot of work to be done.
Not much more than that...if those three things were being done nothing else would be required!
I'd help you out on this one Emile but I was narcissistic long before I was a Christian. I really can't help you lay a cause and effect on it.
I'm not surprised you were first a narcissist.
I don't think religion makes one narcissistic. We all are, in some ways. I simply think misunderstanding the purpose of religion allows someone to not only ignore it in themselves but to blow it up into unhealthy proportions.
Hi I'm back! I always love your threads because they are so challenging and your responses. Thanks You Keep Me On my Toes.
I got a question for ya? Have you ever had some religious person really get under your skin? Did you feel judged? Did they belittle you? Totally turn you off with their possessiveness toward their religion?
You might be surprised how I answer you to why they are that way?
Honestly? Not often and not for long. But, do tell why they are that way. I have my theories, but I'd like to hear yours.
Thanks for quick reply! Satan and his demons hangout in the church. It don't matter what religion.
If a person or religion tries to make you believe that if you don't comply to their believes you will go to hell. These are just signs. The religion won't except you because you don't meet their standards such as income and such.
While in public you have to meet a certain standards. When someone presents God or Jesus in such away it makes you sick and want to run.
The biggest sign is when people can quote 100's and 1000's of scriptures from the Bible then turn and twist the scriptures to prove their point or to convert you.
These signs are what is called a religious demon spirit their mission is out to deceive you and put fear and judgement against you.
These people are possessed with an evil spirit.
God/Jesus only speaks the truth. Never passes judgement and he does not manipulate you with fear.
Thankfully, people like that are a small minority. They tend to be vocal and in the forefront, like the nutcase in Florida who burned the Koran or certain blustery TV personalities. On the ground, there are those who have harrassed some of the writers here. My condolences. The uninitiated may assume that this is the crux of the faith when it is more like the lunatic fringe. The demon to which you refer is a "religious spirit" Jesus said, "My burden is easy and my yoke is light."
Somewhere, it says that perfect love casts out fear.
Look at some of these religions that brainwash people to the point of suicide. That is a perfect example not only religion but false religion.
I remember those scriptures you were talking about. I can't remember where they are either.
Thanks for your reply!
I agree -
but - You don't need to quote extremes to back your previous post just because someone tries to push you there.
You are correct in that the behaviour of almost every church, and most other groups who say they worship a deity go against the teachings of their principal source of information. You are absolutely correct when you state that in christian scripture it says so - and it also states quite clearly that these people do not represent their own christ figure.
If you choose to see that as demonic then that is your perspective, I just see it as people trying to get one up on others because they are lacking as human beings, that this is often associated with such activities as racism and homophobia and comes from the same base - which is why so many so-called christians who post in these forums are homophobic and racist.
Posters in these threads try to say these behaviours are extreme examples when it is the norm - and with every word they write they put themselves farther from their christian own requirements as they lie, and all those other things that you point out.
Your right normally I wouldn't use scripture to back up what I am saying but under the circumstance I thought it would be best.
As writers we use sources to backup are writing and due to the subject I thought it would be best.
It's not my job to preach to other people. Nor is it my job to advertise his scriptures. If someone asks a question about God/Jesus I am happy to answer their questions. "If" I can! I don't know nothing unless God shows me or tugs at my heart.
There are questions only God/Jesus can answer!
I know where they are. The Bible was not written in chapter and verse. "The Word' is meant to live in your heart on a level too deep for words. I wonder why people post so much scripture. It is ineffective. An original thought would be refreshing
How did I miss this? I am sorry somehow I over looked your post. First off I would probably be the first one to flunk Bible school.
It's true! I never was interested in getting it right anyhow. When and if I read the Bible I read books that keep my interest and I read randomly so I guess I am what you call not disciplined enough to make a commitment to read the whole Bible and memorize scriptures.
Yet I am amazed how well I relate to the Bible considering its the oldest book ever. Your right about taking to heart and holding it dear.
Now I don't see your post so I will have to go look because I can't remember everything you said. I must be getting tired.
I had an epiphany. I sat down and read the bible through (at least 12 times now). It is not a chore. I love it. I have studied with them all. I know the Lord. I know Church History. I know the drill. I know this will put a target on my back. Sawfish are used to people throwing harpoons at them (sort of).
St. Francis of Assisi said something like - Preach the gospel everywhere you go. As a last resort, use words.
I can't agree with you more "action speaks way louder then words."that is were I fall short. My past track record is where I fall short.
I am not holier then tho now either. I don't come across as being something that I'm not. God still uses me as I am which is an alcoholic.
Jesus didn't hangout with the priests. He hung-out with the sinners. I have the gift of compassion and I have away of talking to people.
People are drawled in by how I carry myself. I don't make a person feel judged when they ask for my help. I use my past to help people to not make the same mistakes I did.
You have a sweet spirit. You do have compassion, and a sharp mind.
Here is something I learned when spending time with the Baptists. If you want to go fishing with a Baptist, take two - then they won't drink your beer.
We all fall short. That is no reason to think that you can be of no good use to others.
I probably could have read the whole Bible in jail but all they had was the King James version. The thees and the thous throw me off some what. I have ADD and ADHD so anything and everything distracts me.
As far as being a target your not alone. I don't mind to be criticized but only if it is in away that proves me wrong and if I am wrong or someone sheds light I am truly grateful but to make fun of be sarcastic to me or others I do not take lightly.
Honestly I have never came on this thread until a few days ago and I am learning other perspective that I was not aware of. So you see its a learning process.
My thoughts are is we all are seeking the truth.
OK. I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting that. I will agree that anyone who attempts to manipulate through fear has nothing of value to offer.
wiser words were never written in this forum.
Their ideas that the earth was created for them and that God spends all his time watching them, can only be characterized as narcissistic.
As I said on that other forum I personally know a few narcissistic Christians. On in particular is my father in law. This is a particularly frustrating combination because a narcissus is always right in there own mind. To satisfy the ego the narcissus will reinvent the past and believe their own lies. Combine this with Christianity and you've a serious personality problem as I guess it would be a problem when combine with any religion. For example he is not afraid to tell his neighbour he shouldn't cut his grass on Sunday because Sunday is a day for rest, but he doesn't see that he just finished cutting the hedges.
I laugh since I know a lot of people like that. But, it's to be expected. I guess anyone who thinks they have to be good enough to hang with a deity will have to believe a lot of revisionist history.
In your answer is the nub of the issue I believe, to have a solid faith in something that cannot be known is in itself narcissism.
Looking into the unknown, the source of the universe and the future, and seeing yourself actually there . . . . . IS the narcissist looking in the mirror.
I've also know many Christians that are humble, kind people. Most people have some narcissistic qualities, but a real narcissus is like a runaway train wreaking everything it meets. They think only of themselves and use others to satisfy there own ego, caring for no one. Once you know what to look for they are easy to find. They talk only of how great they are or were and speak badly of everyone behind the back, and I mean everyone - you included.
Conversely, to deny your own spirituality, and be emphatic that there is no God, is narcissistic. It Implies that you see yourself as the final authority on all of the issues of life. I find it strange that you go on as you do. Why is it so important for you to contend against the belief of another? Why do you single out Christians to wear the blanket statements you weave? There are so many other religions. What is so special about Christians to you?
You appear a little confused -
spirituality does not require any belief in a god.
that's quite a jump from anything I have ever said to making me the 'final' authority on all the issues of life
I don't single out christians, I am equally critical of any fundamental religion and of those who spread those deseases
I do however have a particular dislike for over blown responses to simple posts and trolls attributing things to me that I did not say, or 'inferring' things that never were.
Don't blame it on your father in law. Judging by your post he is full of pride and fear. People who think they are always right have major issues.
He is so full of fear that he has to be right in his mind because he thinks he will go to hell. His pride and fear will cause him to be rejected by others.
This is not what God wants from him.
Think about this for a minute. Why is it so important for any of us to be right?
You make a very good point. Although, most of the religious I've met though the years consider their religion to be superior. I'm not sure Christianity is different from most any other religion, in that respect.
Would you then presume it would make sense for religions not to believe they are the "one true" religion?
Like I said, we all believe what we think is right. When you believe that a Porsche 911 is the absolute best car on Earth, you would then think those who believe Nissan Sentras are the best to be wrong, no?
But most sensible people are able to admit that a Porsche has it's downsides and the Nissan has it's positives.... Instead of blindly sticking their fingers in their ears and singing *lalalala* when the faults of the Porsche are pointed out or the good things about the Nissan are pointed out...
And generally Porsche owners don't picket Nissan dealerships or try to convert their owners.
Why am I just now seeing this thread? Saw the nihilist one first, I suppose.
What the pathway to knowledge shows is that control of the ego is necessary for true enlightenment. Knowing that the divine exists within means that my words are not mine, my thoughts aren't mine. That is, I don't own them. The very planet we walk on, is not ours, any of ours, to do with as we please. We are all travelers on a path, and each moment is a point upon the path that we will never pass again. We should act that way. I don't think I am better...I am equal.
Christianity isn't a path to narcissism. There are narcissist Christians, narcissist Buddhists, narcissist atheists.
It's all about the individual.
I won't take part in the top Bang Gang discussion
Many, not all, non-Christians on HubPages are not at all apologetic about their narcissistic view of Christianity in general and of the personal beliefs in particular. Is that surprising? In their failure to view the world as it is and take some form of responsibility for their interactions they are, in reality, looking abysmally on the rest of humanity, beliefs as a whole and, in so doing, are thumbing their nose at religion in general.
Haha. I said it first, so it must be true about Christians not nonbelievers. Anyway, your avatar proves you're a copy cat.
All I am trying to point out, (that is, in the nicest way possible) is that both sides are likely guilty of narcissistic views. We all only believe what we believe is right.
Was that nice? Is that the best you've got for nice? To call non believers narcissistic is nice? I just don't know what to think at this point.
Other than that I agree. In theory. Me being the exception to the rule, of course. It isn't narcissistic for me to be self absorbed. I'm just reacting the way everyone does who knows me. Heck, if truth be known, the universe revolves around me.
I did not intend to come accross as mean.
I simply edited your post to show that it goes both ways.
Also, I am too a non-believer. Your view is just a little harsh for my beliefs.
I started this thread as a joke, but I do think many Christians are narcissistic because of their interpretation of their religion. It's a horrible philosophy when you think about it. 'God loves me. God is watching me. God bought me a new truck. God is always thinking about me. God forgives me because he loves me. I'm going to heaven and you aren't, because God loves me and not you.'
It's all me, me, me. Is that all they think about? Do they honestly think the universe revolves around them?
As I said, I agree that we are all narcisstic in ways; but the levels of self absorption aren't always identical. If your belief puts you on a cosmic pedastal above another human being I think you have a problem you might want to explore.
Religion unfortunately is held much more personally than (most people do with) cars.
I find it interesting that you would lay this word ( narcissistic ) at just the feet of Christians when I've found some non-believers can't accept anything a Christian has to say.
Let's forget the fact that you may not know the definition of the word narcissist, judging by your comment.
Don't take too much offense. I thought the nihilism thread was a pointless attack on atheists, so I started a thread with his words rearranged a bit, just to make a point.
It didn't really work. Only a few people got it. And an atheist called me a tea pot because they were too obtuse to know I was joking at one point.
I do think a percentage of Christian philosophies are driven by narcissism, but not all.
You may find it hard to believe but on the Internet there are reference materials that do define narcissus so you're wrong about me not understanding the definition of the word.
We're talking about people who are self absorbed if one isn't listening to another person that is a definite indication that person is self absorbed.
No, that isn't necessarily an indication that the other party is self absorbed. It seems a little inconsiderate for you to arbitrarily assume that has to be the case.
And how is it that your point of view is better than my if you want to talk about being inconsiderate?
I say you're wrong about being self absorbed as I have outlined.
If I were to say to you don't bother writing me anything anymore cause I don't want to hear anything you have to say since I'm perfectly satisfied with my perspective-(Self Absorbed)
You still don't get it. I didn't say my point of view was better than yours. You appear self absorbed by completely dismissing the possiblity of reflection of others on the subject. What makes you think people don't listen simply because they don't want to hear you? What, within you, makes you need to believe that? Instead of trying to understand the motives of their actions you summarily dismiss the value of all individuals by trivializing their thought processes?
And, you haven't presented an effective argument to support your assertion that everyone else is self absorbed, simply because they don't agree with you. You have somewhat proven my point by the very argument you have presented.
And if you suggested I not write anything else because you don't want to hear it I would have to say you are being dishonest with yourself. Why would you read what I wrote in the first place? Why would you continue reading? Why not stop, if you don't want to hear it?
The statement could imply that you can't control your own actions, so therefore feel the need to attempt to control mine? What would be lacking within you if you were to make such a statement?
My statement regarding the self absorbed was presented in an example format which I suspected you might take literally.
Well I have to say there was certainly a lot of character assassination by you towards me based on what ever distorted viewpoint you have regarding my comments.
I have addressed the issue of narcissists several times you just refuse to see it. If you're saying I'm dismissing the value of others simply because I don't agree with what you're saying simply means I am entitled to my own point of view as are you.
If you would point out how I have attacked your character.....if I have attacked your character, I will apologize. If I have not attacked your character you might consider getting over yourself.
Emile still going in this Sunday morning, must be tiring though, you going on 48 hrs, no?
No. I slept 8 hours last night. I thought. Maybe my clock is running fast? You got me.
Its running fast, lol. Think it was more like 8 minutes I woke up to Emile posts 2.5 million times.
2.5 million? That's a lot. Not only is my clock off, but the Hub Pages counter is way off. Thank goodness we have you here keeping track. Whatever would I do without you?
Edit: Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I checked my profile. I posted a response to Spanstar 19 hours ago. Another one six hours ago, another one three hours ago and then the last to him just recently, and the two to you. All on this thread. That is all the activity showing during that time frame.
Perhaps, your fascination with my movements lulled you into a trance? Have you lost a few hours? You might want to check.
I think that must be what it was, thought yall needed something a little light, since this forum is very intense! Didn't want anyone to pop a blood vessel or anything.
Save the apologize I believe I can weather this storm:
This might do for a start
What, within you, Makes You Need to Believe that? Instead of trying to understand the motives of their actions you summarily dismiss the value of all individuals by trivializing their thought processes?
I said it was inconsiderate to trivialize the opinion of others by simply stating, as you did, that people refuse to listen, so therefore are narcissistic.
You said I was being inconsiderate for thinking my view was better than yours. I never said that. It is simply an alternative view. I disagree with you. If we disagree, how does that imply I think I'm better? Simply because you think it is wrong for anyone to have a view that is different from your own?
I would still be curious to know what causes you to think you're been personally attacked. The post in question began with a complaint that I was inconsiderate because I thought my opinion was better than yours. I didn't say that. Didn't think it either. I do have a right to an opinion, do I not? Am I inconsiderate because I reserve the right to my own opinion?
How have I assassinated your character? You've repeatedly made accusations without the benefit of fact. Why?
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