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Prove something by assuming the opposite

  1. ptosis profile image80
    ptosisposted 4 years ago

    "A theological position close to the Popperian philosophy of science is known as the Via Negativa, a view apparently held by the Cappadocian Fathers of the fourth century who based their whole world view on questions that could not be answered. For example, while they believed in God, they did not believe that God exists." - Vlatko Vedral

    OK, I can go with that as a 'christian atheist/agnostic': I don't know what God is, but I do know "He" has no gender nor any form. I know that God is indescribable because the existence of God is outside the known/unknown universe which leads me to believe that anything outside the multi-verses doesn't interact with anything in the universe (at this space-time continuum) and so therefore no interaction = does not exist.

    Do I have this correctly? Or is this talking monkey too stupid to ever understand?

    1. kess profile image60
      kessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Can you speak a lie without understanding Truth?
      So the Lie is because of Truth
      Then it the same way with God, he is merely because some says He is not.

      1. ptosis profile image80
        ptosisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That's a cool saying. So by merely thinking that there is a possibility of exist/not-exist. The dual nature of God that 'exist & does not exist' at the same time. That's why can never understand God completely because even if knew & understood 100%  - God is beyond 100% - probably infinity percentage.

        So even if I was a complete 100% - still God is beyond that. That why the saying that even the seraphim  don't even understand God.

        You are GREAT! I'll would like to put this down as the best answer. Thank you.

  2. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 4 years ago

    "I know that God is indescribable because the existence of God is outside the known/unknown universe". How can you know that?

    1. ptosis profile image80
      ptosisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I don't. Yet when I see the black swan of god then I'll know I'm wrong. Perhaps you'll be my black swan with some profound saying that will change my whole paradigm. Teach me.

      "The Cappadocians are noted for the expression, “I believe in God; God does not “exist”.. . .The meaning is that God, as the author and creator of “existence” does not, by definition, “exist”." -----
      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rel … 2832/posts

      A “Red Cell” is a military group that "plays" the enemy. A Religious "Red Cell" could similarly work to test our assumptions.

      http://www.oodegr.com/english/filosofia … adokes.htm

      smarter brains than I have said this - I'm just parroting like a talking monkey does. Maybe god is math because nobody invents math - it' discovered and does not need a creator to be created - something out of nothing.

      "Pythagoras's school motto was “All is number” or “God is number” Hippasus tried to calculate the value of √2, & the perfect math world ended since could not be expressed as the ratio of two of God's creations (which is how they thought of the integers)" - http://www.storyofmathematics.com/greek_pythagoras.html

  3. grand old lady profile image90
    grand old ladyposted 4 years ago

    If you read Sophie's World, you realize that there was a time in history when philosophers started schools in cafes talking of endless possibilities. Oftentimes, their ruminations were proven right as the years unfolded and science took over.

    The Cappadocians had time to think this way because there was no television or TV and computer games and cell phones to distract them from exploring their minds. I wonder how they would respond to our world today.

    Re your challenge, prove something assuming it's not true, mine is this: I don't believe my dog is beside my bed because last night she slept in my closet. I turn around, and my dog is beside me on my bed. Does that count? I know it sounds simplistic, but I am really not good in the deep stuff.