The answer is no. The only way religion enters into a conversation is if someone with religion brings it in. So quit bellyaching if the other person doesn't want to examine every bit of sacred minutiae that you regard as pertinent to your life goal of appeasing a ghost, holy or otherwise. BTW, I have lived a long full spiritual life without religion, so there.
Sorry, when I pasted the title I didn't realize I didn't have enough room. How do I edit that?
You can fix that with prayer, fasting and confession to an ordained priest.
Wonder if that would work the typos in my hubs as well?
Thanks Rochelle and wilderness, I'll be kneeling as soon as my lombago eases up, haha. I don't think an ordained priest would have enough time for my confessions, so he would just have to give me an estimate or something. I fast every day, my wife is a lousy cook.
Unfortunately there is no way to edit it. What was the whole title going to be? I expect I know, but "never assume", right?
The title in its entirety is:
Has anyone ever walked up to you and said: I am an atheist, and if you're not you are going to hell?
This is an interesting question for a few reasons. First, where would the atheist get the idea of hell? How did that evolve and why? So I would be intrigued and be happy to converse. Of course, that is because of the uniqueness of the conversation.
If on the other hand, it happened to me daily as I left my house, which to hear some folks complain about "having religion shoved down their throats", one would assume must happen to them, I would get tired of it. I wouldn't freak out and make it my life's ambition to "shove it back," however. Why not? Because I am not at all concerned what anyone else thinks about my eternal destiny. I am confident in what I believe, so if someone tells me that failing to believe in mother nature or whatever higher power they espouse, will land me in an eternity in front of a big screen listening to Bill Maher or Richard Dawkins drone on endlessly, I would shrug it off without concern.
If, however, I was someone not confident in my eternal destiny and someone came up to me with a message that somehow rang true in my heart, that I desperately did not want to believe or have be true, I may be angry and lash out, expending great time and energy to assuage my guilt and convince myself and hopefully others that it is not true. I might even seek them out in religious forums.
by the way, thanks for asking for the title.
An atheist who has led a spiritual life? How does that work? What type of spirit world fits into atheistic philosophy?
I'm not an atheist, einstein, the guy in the question was.
Do you think spirituality began with your religion?
Please enlighten me. What is my religion? I'm agnostic.
And Einstein is dead. Hope that isn't too much of a shock for you.
I don't know what your religion is, probably something to do with Uranus.
I know einstein is dead, I called you that because your reply was so intelligent.
Very nice of you. Never heard of a religion called Uranus. What are you? About 12? Does your mom know you are on the computer?
Sure, I'm about 12. Good one.
With your verbal skills you must be a real asset to any secondary school debating team.
Does a spirit world, some other dimension that our mind exists in, require a God to exist? If so, why?
No. But most atheists argue against any type of spirit world or afterlife. In fact, quite a few of them here on Hub Pages have gone out of their way to explain that to me.
Understandable, as the same reasoning applies there as it does to God; a total lack of evidence.
Nevertheless, saying that no atheist believes in a "spirit" world (although most would probably dislike the terminology) is like saying that all theists believe in the Christian God alone and have the same interpretation of what He wants.
True. But, I didn't say no atheist did. I simply inquired what type would fit into it. So far, I've had no response.
Oh. Maybe the kind that has ghosts? Or reincarnation? Those "souls" must exist somewhere waiting to be reincarnated.
And that would be interesting to hear about. Although, I do think if there is a spirit world someone would have to be in charge. Anarchy while hanging about in limbo, waiting to jump into a body, sounds spooky.
Why? No spookier than hanging around a ball of dirt with no one in charge.
Actually, if someone is in charge you might expect them to have control of both real and spirit worlds, Or least something of the same "species" if not the same individual.
I don't know. I simply can't imagine a spirit world, so maybe I haven't thought it through enough to agree on the dirt comment. It seems egotistical to assume we live forever.
I don't either - we will all die one permanent death. At around 100 years old or so - not 10,000 or whatever.
Nevertheless, a great many people seem to postulate and believe in some kind of parallel world or something where our "souls", "spirits", "minds" or whatever actually live. Or what is left after death. Or something anyway.
They can't all be Christians or theists can they?
I don't know. I've got a sister who claims to be a buddhist. But she sounds like a southern Baptist to me. What we think ourselves to be isn't always what we appear to be. Sometimes, the only difference between a theist and a non theist is the label we chose to use. The words, for the most part, are 99.9% the same.
I, personally, don't believe we are completely snuffed out. I simply think our consciousness moves on to other tasks. Probably not intact, but something has to work to create this reality. I would think. I do believe in a connectivity of all life.
Yes, it's funny how our personal labels don't always match with the labels others apply to us. Seldom match, perhaps.
It's easy to assign causes or something we can't see or find results of, but it's also common with humanity or we wouldn't have Gods either.
Good point. I don't know that I've ever seen a craigslist ad, for instance, that starts with "atheist mother of 3 wants..." either. Wonder if means something that verbal warning is necessary rather than simply letting actions tell the tale?
Gotta love John Safran. Wish you could embed stuff here.
Lead a pretty full spiritual life myself. Once you understand that "spirituality," is a wholly internal, subjective experience - anything is possible. The Troll will not get that though.
Hmmm. You've started a thread about religion, in a forum on Religion and Philosophy...but "the only way religion enters into a conversation is if someone with religion brings it in?" Okay, I'll bite. Based on your statement, you clearly must be a religious person or you couldn't have started this thread. What religion are you?
This is also a forum to discuss philosophy, hence the name religion AND philosophy.
Hmmm is right. An interesting turn of events, to say the least.
No, I'm not religious.
The library is my church, I guess, and I've read buku books on religion and philosophy, history and all things human.
Basically I'm a spiritual mutt, without a master.
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