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POPE BENEDICT XVI TO RESIGN

  1. Stacie L profile image88
    Stacie Lposted 3 years ago

    By Claudio Lavanga and Alastair Jamieson, NBC News

    Updated at 8:49 a.m. ET: ROME -- Pope Benedict XVI announced Monday he will step aside as leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics on Feb. 28, saying he no longer has the strength to carry out his duties.

    Speaking in Latin, the 85-year-old announced his decision during an address at the "Concistory for the canonization of the martyrs of Otranto", a small event held early in the morning.

    The decision makes him the first pope to resign since the Middle Ages.

    His statement was posted on the Vatican Radio website. Carrying out the duties of being pope required "both strength of mind and body," it said.

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 … -says?lite
    This is unusual,isn't it? I am not catholic, but don't they usually stay until death?

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It's been almost 600 years. This guy couldn't go fast enough if you ask me. Bye, careful the door will shut behind you quickly.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I saw this bit of news this morning and thought about you radman, wondered what you would say... How odd that now I know. lol

      2. jonnycomelately profile image87
        jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Why does anyone feel a need to bow down to, genuflect to, another human being?

        When you are claiming to worship a spiritual "god," and see humans as "fallen," "sinful," evil beings, why stamp one of these humans with divinity?

        I saw some time ago, in a newspaper column presenting simple questions to its readers for comment, the question, "Are you superstitious?"

        One woman wrote back:  "Oh no, I'm not superstitious.  I'm Catholic."

        Hahaha...   she was also devoid of logic!

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      Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      They do usually stay until death.  Bishops, however, can retire from their duties as early as age 75.  The Pope is the bishop of Rome.  smile  He feels that his body is not strong enough to carry out his work.  The Pope's schedule is sickeningly demanding. 

      I'm curious as to how long it will take the College of Cardinals to elect a new pope.  I'm guessing they've already got someone in mind, given the circumstances.  I expect it will be done speedily.

      1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image94
        Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Apparently, this is the first pope to abdicate (that's the term they use for stepping down from that office) in hundreds of years.  He has had health issues, and it appears he decided it was best for the Catholic Church for him to step aside so someone in better health could take over. The commentary on the announcement has been interesting - some see it as a sign that others who follow after him will be able to do the same thing with dignity, in the event they are no longer able to physically or otherwise serve in the office to the best of their capacity.

        It was interesting when Pope Benedict was selected that so many people didn't know about the 'puff of white smoke' that announces a pope has been chosen.

        No, I'm not Catholic - I just follow news events with interest.

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          Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Lots of folks don't know about 'white smoke,' Marcy.  It's a fascinating procedure, this election of a Pope.  The burial of one Pope and preparation for the next is an amazing and beautiful ritual.

          smile

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            Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Hey, maybe this time we'll get a pope who believes in the equality of the sexes and one that will do right by the victims of pedophilia instead of hiring a bunch of lawyers to protect himself and those who do harm? Maybe!

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              Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              That's what we pray for.

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                Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                How's that working for ya so far? ;-o Oh no I didn't.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Sure you did.  tongue  So does everyone else. 

                  So far, it's worked well enough that the sex scandals are no longer hidden.  They've been brought to light.  Not a great thing overall, but at least no longer a painful, damaging secret.  It has been brought to light - where people might be able to begin a healing process.

                  A Pope (one of the most conservative in recent history) finally admitted that condom usage may be a part of responsible sexuality. 

                  The Catholic Church is one of the world's largest bureaucracies.  It has never done anything quickly.

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    They will respond to money.

                    Nothing has changed.
                    In April 2010 it was reported that former bishop of the Norwegian Catholic Church, Georg Müller, had confessed to the Norwegian Police in early January 2010 that he had sexually abused an underaged altar boy 20 years earlier. The Norwegian Catholic Church was made aware of the incident but did not alert the authorities. Müller was made to step down as a bishop in July 2009.

                    In June 2010, Belgian police raided the Belgian Catholic Church headquarters in Brussels, seizing a computer and records of a Church commission investigating allegations of child abuse, as part of an investigation into hundreds of claims that had been raised about alleged child sexual abuse committed by Belgian clergy. The claims emerged after Roger Vangheluwe, who had been the Bishop of Bruges, resigned after admitting that he was guilty of sexual molestation. The Vatican protested against the raids.

              2. bBerean profile image59
                bBereanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I think you will be delighted Mo.  I fully expect this to be a younger, ecumenical appointment who is very charismatic.  Someone who will appeal to Catholics and non-Catholics alike.  Someone who can emphasize commonality between religions and even build bridges with atheists.  Someone who makes clear he is interested in the unity and well being of all people.  He will be very strong on the message that together we can do anything.  If these attributes aren't apparent initially, they will come to light soon after he gains power.  World leaders who do not initially applaud him, will come around in a few short years and he will become a very respected voice in world affairs in the coming decade.  I will be very surprised if the new Papal appointment falls short of any these characteristics.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh, I do hope so.  Pope John Paul II was a very ecumenically minded minister.  I hope someone with a spirit much like his and Pope John XXIII's comes next.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  surprise!!!

                  1. bBerean profile image59
                    bBereanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    If you ever saw anything else I'd posted regarding Catholicism, you would have been.

          2. Rochelle Frank profile image90
            Rochelle Frankposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            So you think they will try to bury him?

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              Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              They've been trying to bury him for the last eight years. lol

              I was referring to the death of a pope.  That is generally when an election for a new pope takes place.

              I don't expect them to try to bury Pope Benedict XVI until he's dead.

              big_smile

  2. Reality Bytes profile image94
    Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago

    He is being promoted.

    http://application.denofgeek.com/pics/film/list/movie.deaths/01.jpg

    OR, is this controversy about to be confirmed?

    http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in … 919AAEsRTj

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Im sure he's a very nice man.

      1. Reality Bytes profile image94
        Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, as far as nazi sympathizing, pedophile protecting guys go, he's alright.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          He is a very nice pedophile sympathizer. He had the right idea, move'm around and pray for them. Oh and if the police get called protect yourself with as many lawyers as possible and diplomatic immunity.

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I wasn't aware he had been accused of child molestation. I guess Im not up on my Catholic news.

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I don't think he was accused of the molesting anyone, but he worked hard at protecting them. From what I've read most in the Vatican didn't think it was all that damaging to children, there first priority is to protect the reputation of the church.

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Heart breaking. I don't think man was meant to be alone, at least it takes some kind of amazing individual to be alone for life. Ppl act out in all kinds of terrible ways when they try to be what God never intended them to be.

                1. schoolgirlforreal profile image76
                  schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Interesting

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        Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        to kick. lol.

      3. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        He's a Satanist, I'm afraid.


        http://s3.hubimg.com/u/7678518_f248.jpg

        That hand signal is Satanic




        http://s3.hubimg.com/u/7678522_f248.jpg

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          riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for the laugh.
          You ought to study more about body language signals and the difference based on different cultures.

          http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/109399? … ost2328954

          1. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Of yes, tell us what it means 'o wise one.  Wait, like me guess...the Pope was trying to say, "Rock on!"?

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              riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Oh! He was just passing the blessings from satan to Catholicsroll
              Common sense??
              en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILY_sign#section_1

              1. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Oh, really? And did you know that Helen Keller was an occultist herself? I wonder how she associated that signal with "I love you" when the original meaning is that it represents the horned hand and is a representation of moon gods? Is she trying to say, "I love you, Satan"?

                She was a theosophist from the religion Theosophy, a major belief system in the New Age movement, founded by Madame Blavatsky.  One of her followers was Adolf Hitler,

                http://www.scribd.com/doc/24075432/Helen-Keller

                She quoted he second edition of Dr. A. Kingsford’s “Perfect Way" an appendix called, "The Secret of Satan" and quoted it believing it to be true:

                "It is “Satan who is the god of our planet and the only god,” and this without any allusive metaphor to its wickedness and depravity. For he is one with the Logos, “the first son, eldest of the gods,” in the order"

                http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-1-13.htm

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                  riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh really? All the world except you are satanists? Irrespective of the origin of the word/symbol it carry only that meaning by that which is understood by the one who see/hear it. "me tumse pyaar kartha hai", is something that is understood by billions of people, but do you? For those who understand it, it is a good thing while those who don't it is just sounds.
                  The symbol now mostly is understood as a symbol for love. But in America it is generally is associated with "longhorn" foot ball team, while in Italy it is an offensive symbol.
                  Was the pope telling the Catholics, his followers, that they are all for satan?
                  "Is she trying to say, "I love you, Satan"?"
                  For a pervert may be, for the deaf and dumb, the index finger stand for "I", it with thumb will be "L" and the middle and little forms a "U", which is a substitute for 'you' which now is universally used by most people(especially youngsters) who use sms.

                  "Theosophy"
                  If all other god's invented by humans are satan, then without any doubt the god invented by jews are also satanic.

                  Occult- the counter nonsense to christian religion is just like a religion, riddled with nonsense and Christianity has done the same what it has done to pagan religions, branded everything as satanic, and "satan/devil"(not talking about similar ones created by other religion) is their creation as the villain to fight against and blame for god's failure and unite their followers.
                  Can you get no good site other than which some idiotic conspiracy theorist suggest nonsense and see connections were there is none?

                  1. Claire Evans profile image90
                    Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Not all of the world but there are far more Satanists than people are aware.  Many of them don't advertise their Satanism.  They could be your GP for all you know.  I'm just telling you that Helen Keller was a follower of the occult and so it doesn't surprise me that she used that hand signal to depict "I love you". 





                    It's now a symbol of love? Where'd you come up with this nonsense? For heaven's sake, it is the point of Satanists to associate people with its symbols and attach another meaning to it.    I could make my own meaning to an upside cross but it doesn't detract from its real meaning. 




                    No, he was trying to say he is for Satan.

                    The "satanic salute" goes back many years and according to The Woman's Dictionary of Symbols & Sacred Objects , is an "appeal to the devil" - "In antiquity it must have represented an appeal to the Horned God; then in the Middle Ages, an appeal to the devil. . ." (The Woman's Dictionary of Symbols & Sacred Objects, p. 308)

                    Black mass at the Church of Satan with Anton LaVey and his daughter:

                    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7687948_f248.jpg


                    "Is she trying to say, "I love you, Satan"?"



                    Where's your source that Helen Keller got that hand signal from the manner you described?  She didn't make that hand signal up.  It was already in existence for Satanism long before her.

                    Now if the hand sign with the thumb extended means, "I love you" then what do you think Obama was trying to say here when he tucks the thumb in?

                    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/7687950_f248.jpg





                    Not too far from the truth.



                    Blah Blah.  Don't like what I am saying? Then move on.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  The sign for I love you is simply all 3 letters represented. I L and Y. Sign language is an entire language condensed into signs with meaning.

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                    riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    It was actually invented by satan as god failed to help deaf people. But claire was telling satan was bad character. Is helping people a bad thing?

                  2. Claire Evans profile image90
                    Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm not meaning to be condescending but you have a lot to learn.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Ha ha ha ha... Or he's warding off the evil eye.

          1. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            What do you think Pope Benedict was trying to say?  Funny that he is capable of approving child porn but not capable of being a Satanist...

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Personally, I think he is just a weak old man who is trying to lift his hands and can't sustain that motion for long. It's kind of a natural thing. I dont believe one could be the pope and a Satanist... even if you don't believe Catholic views, they still confess Jesus to be the son of God. I would imagine he said many prayers out loud, I have a hard time imagining any of Satans demons confessing submission or love of Christ as Im sure the pope has done. Its just very unlikely.

              1. Zelkiiro profile image85
                Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Acts 16:16-18. A soothsayer possessed by a demonic spirit sings praises to God in front of Paul.

              2. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Come on, Beth.  A frail old man is not going to pull that hand signal in the first place.  Yes, you can be a Pope and a Satanist at the same time.   

                "Rome, Italy, Mar 3, 2010 / 04:20 pm (CNA).- A renowned exorcist in Rome recently released a book of memoirs in which he declares to know of the existence of Satanic sects in the Vatican where participation reaches all the way to the College of Cardinals. A second demonologist, also residing in Rome, entered the debate this week, clarifying the origins of the information and defending the Vatican's clergy as an "edifying and virtuous" collection of prelates.

                In a book of memoirs released in February, the noted Italian exorcist Fr. Gabriele Amorth affirmed that "Yes, also in the Vatican there are members of Satanic sects." When asked if members of the clergy are involved or if this is within the lay community, he responded, "There are priests, monsignors and also cardinals!"

                http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ … n_vatican/

                You don't appear to realize that people can claim to be Christian when in fact they are Satanists.  Satan appears as an angel of light.  He can recite as many prayers as he likes it means nothing.  Demons exorcised by Jesus acknowledged Jesus as the son of God.  Satan recited scriptures.

                The Pope endorses paedophillia but cannot be a Satanist?  He also said there is no such thing as good and evil which is, of course, not a Christian thing to say.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Yeah, I know that satan can appear as an angle of light etc, Im just not the conspiracy theorist you are. If that's what you believe, you certainly have that right.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  So, if charges come against me for something I abhor and would never do and haven't done, and I get a lawyer to help me because I don't know the legal system and he does, that means I endorse the thing I abhor?  Does that make me a Satanist too?  Do you ever wonder how many of these Catholic bishops never reported what was happening in their dioceses - if, in fact, it was even reported by the victims until years later?  That it might actually be possible that when the scandals broke initially, it was the first that many in the Vatican had ever heard of it? 

                  Is the Pope responsible for the molestation of children by Protestant clergy?  By atheist parents?  By the guy down the street who's a Hindu? I don't agree with the way the sex scandals have been handled by the Church - but the judgment for that belongs on the heads of the individual bishops, not the Vatican.  And the fact that the Vatican is trying to defend itself legally is NOT evidence that it approves of or endorses pedophilia.  If anything, and this is deplorable anyway, if you ask me, it's evidence that they're taking advantage of a legal system that they evaded in the first place. Criminal acts should result in criminal prosecution, period.  When they don't, there should most certainly be legal consequences.

                  If your child molested another child, do you think it would be right for their parents to come after you?  And, if they did, would you hire an attorney?  You're a white woman in South Africa.  Do you approve of and endorse racism?

                  1. stclairjack profile image80
                    stclairjackposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    indeed!.. well stated!

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    While I agree with much of what you said I do want to clarify one thing. 1962 the vatican sent a 62 page document to all bishops in which the Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases 'in the most secretive way... restrained by a perpetual silence... and everyone... is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office... under the penalty of excommunication. And they also call for the victim to take an oath of secrecy at the time of making a complaint to Church officials. It states that the instructions are to 'be diligently stored in the secret archives of the Curia Vatican as strictly confidential. Nor is it to be published nor added to with any commentaries. If your thinking that this was 1962 and things have changed since then you may want to site down because a letter signed by then Cardinal Ratzinger head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith sent to bishops in May 2001 clearly stating the 1962 instruction was in force until then.

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                    Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Hazards of the occupation. Ask Barack.

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                    riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    +1

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns

              R.J. Dio – "It's NOT the devil's sign like we're here with the devil. It's an Italian thing I got from my Grandmother called the "Malocchio". It's to ward off the Evil Eye or to give the Evil Eye, depending on which way you do it."

              I'm not a fan of this pope, but calling him a Satanist because of a hand signal is ridiculous.

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                Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Rad, who'd have thunk you could use a quote from R.J. Dio in defense of the Pope?!  I love it, but you know it will only add fuel to Claire's fictional fire. wink

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Hey, I'm just trying to entertain myself here and if anyone else see's the irony then thumbs up to them. I've never been a fan of that particular hand signal but Ronny did have a great voice. I preferred the peace signal that Ozzy used.

                  I don't think there is any getting through to her anyway. I remember painting this on the back of my jean jacket way back in the day.

                  http://s2.hubimg.com/u/7680265_f248.jpg

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    That's a cool pic.  You weren't accused of being a Satanist, were you?

                    Frankly, I'm stunned that it took Claire so long to respond to this situation.  I was expecting her to be the first on the offense.

                  2. Claire Evans profile image90
                    Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    If there is no way of getting through to me then does this mean this will be the last time you address me?

                2. Claire Evans profile image90
                  Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Is it also fiction that the Pope backs up paedophiles?

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Please feel free to refer to my earlier response to Rad about that, Claire.  If you're looking to argue with me about that, you've chosen the wrong opponent.

              2. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                So I suppose when Ahmedinejad, Bush, Anton LaVey, Sarah Palin, Clinton, Sarkozy do it then they are warding off the evil eye or giving it?

                http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 … _satan.htm

                Or how about the old man with an alleged Sandy Hook victim?


                http://s2.hubimg.com/u/7682981_f248.jpg

                I also care about what the ORIGINAL meaning is.

                The signal is called Mano Cornuto which means, "horned hand".  It is associated with moon goddesses.  See the picture I posted of the witch with the snakes. This picture is of the Mano Cornuto amulet of ancient Italic origin:

                http://s3.hubimg.com/u/7683046_f248.jpg



                Here is the Asian version of the moon goddess Kanon:

                http://s3.hubimg.com/u/7683082_f248.jpg

                Moon goddess in Catholic Church

                http://s4.hubimg.com/u/7683075_f248.jpg

                See the crescent moon below like horns.


                Do the algebra.


                Please view these sources for a better view

                http://www.whale.to/b/hand.html

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisbOL55 … re=related

                1. Disappearinghead profile image90
                  Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Sighs roll So what. Today I'm taking the kids shopping to Toys R Us and I'm going to buy a new keyboard for my Mac in PC World. All this satan lives under your bed conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo is a fools errand Claire. Just get on and have a happy life.

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          Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Unfortunately, you are wasting your time Claire.

          1. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I don't care.  I want to expose it.  Someone may think about it.

  3. Louise Lately profile image90
    Louise Latelyposted 3 years ago

    I wonder what he will do now? take up another vocation?

    "Nah, I've done the Pope thing now - I'd like to become a dancer"

    Tihi

  4. Alastar Packer profile image84
    Alastar Packerposted 3 years ago

    If the prophecies of Saint Malachy are right the next pope will be "Peter the Roman" whose pontificate will end with the destruction of Rome. The very last pope in the prophecies, too. Anyone take them seriously?

    1. Team Wiseman profile image85
      Team Wisemanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I do... and you are correct in what you say. I'm very glad someone mentioned this fact. I do not know enough about the subject but I'm thinking that there was something in the prophecy about this current pope leaving abruptly,...or suddenly, I think. Know anything about this?

      1. Alastar Packer profile image84
        Alastar Packerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        A quick check on wiki says to me this Malachy pope's prophecy is much more than a little interesting. His last and longest motto "Petrus Romanus" is chilling with lines like "In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit..." Maybe someone with a lot of knowledge on the prophecies will comment further, Team Wiseman.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Those prophecies are a joke and most likely a complete fraud. A sceptical look at how they attempt to link the popes to the prophecies will help you make the correct determination.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
            Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Lol, and one of those at the top of the list for new pope is named Peter smile Maybe the prophecy concerned the last pope to step down 600 years ago.

          2. Alastar Packer profile image84
            Alastar Packerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            OK Rad Man, you certainly could be correct that they're complete hogwash. Nevertheless I may just take a deeper look at these prophecies before too long and if discover anything notable will comment back.

  5. waynet profile image47
    waynetposted 3 years ago

    Well he did have an evil look about him.....just like The Emperor in Star Wars....I think he had the dark side on too long.

    1. jonnycomelately profile image87
      jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      In my opinion this sort of emotive reaction is one we all need to be wary of .   It's dangerous.  It can lead to lynch-mob mentality.

      What a person looks like is usually totally unreliable in assessing the person's inner strengths/weaknesses.   It might be one of the factors which has allowed the authorities to fill up Guantanamo prison.

      False judgment is so easy to do and mud sticks so easily, too.   It's much more difficult to wipe off and the innocent finds it even more difficult to shake off the effects.

      So, although I do not give one cent for the office of Pope, I still feel we need to respect the humanity of that man.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        "So, although I do not give one cent for the office of Pope, I still feel we need to respect the humanity of that man."

        So well said.

        1. jonnycomelately profile image87
          jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I should also added that none of us knows the truth of "what went on/goes on behind closed doors."  I would not condone any corruption, coercion, cruelty, cover-up or conniving, (all the "c"s) which MIGHT be part of Catholicism.  The majority of the silent lambs and the rams and the ewes should be shouting to them, "NO!  STOP!"

          Is it still possible in today's world for good people, with strong moral principles, to stand up and lead us?  I would hope so.   Such a world would have, and encourage, same-sex marriages, allowing them to nurture children who have been abandoned by heterosexual couples; it would encourage responsibility along with equal rights, for any and every heterosexual couple to bear children of their own regardless of marital status, and severely reduce the need for them to seek abortion for the unwanted child. 

          "Young mother of 14 years of age, we will help you to mother your child; we will help you continue your schooling which will include lessons in motherhood; we will appoint an "auntie" to help look after your baby while you are at school; we will give the father equal help and guidance in adjusting to his responsibilities, too."

          Such a world would bring the greedy, selfish, dishonest hypocrite to task before the community, so that welfare money and charitable donations reach the people for whom they are intended.  Is that too perfect a world for us to dream of?  Could we expect this from not just Catholic believers, but from any church, any synagog, any mosque?   It's something to aim for, surely.

  6. Maggie Bennett profile image80
    Maggie Bennettposted 3 years ago

    I actually wrote two Hubs about this.  It is very rare indeed.

  7. Zelkiiro profile image85
    Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago

    Whoo-hoo? Do (sane) people honestly still care about the Pope?

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      See? I don't get why ppl say things like that. I mean you just insulted every Catholic who takes their faith to heart... what's the point in that?

      1. Zelkiiro profile image85
        Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Because the papacy is irrelevant in a world where people can actually read? The Pope's entire purpose, other than to have his goons rob the peasantry blind, was to be the guy who reads and interprets the scriptures for the church to follow. This was pretty necessary for believers in an age where 99% of the population was illiterate.

        Nowadays, with illiteracy rates hanging around about 1%, there's no need for a Pope anymore. He's just a fossilized piece of illogical tradition clung onto by scared, superstitious people.

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I know, I saw the movie Luther too.
          Yeah, but Im pretty sure he is the "pastor of his flock". He is their main teacher, he still preaches, studies theology and performs Catholic rituals. Im not Catholic, I do not find him of great use, but to a Catholic, he has great importance. I don't watch football either so I can't tell you who coaches the Ravens, that doesn't make their coach irrelevant, just irrelevant to me.

          1. Zelkiiro profile image85
            Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            There was a movie about this?

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  8. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 3 years ago

    10. Peter the Roman - This final Pope will likely be Satan, taking the form of a man named Peter who will gain a worldwide allegiance and adoration. He will be the final antichrist which prophecy students have long foretold. If it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. The 112th prophesy states: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."

    ===========================

         Sounds a lot like how Bible prophesy  ...   As I explained my beliefs in one of my hubs a week in prophesy is equal to approx 9,1 to 9.16 of our years ; the 42 months that the beast described in Rev. 13 would be approx 1644 of our years.
         Lets just suppose that the next pope lasts 8 years.    (2020)   ...   what happened 1644 years ago?

    1. Zelkiiro profile image85
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      ...The Battle of Hadrianopolis?

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Very interesting ...  didn't know that.

          I was thinking when the RCC was officially mandated as "THE"  only religion for the Roman Empire in 380 AD.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago

    I am wondering if Benedict's resignation is his way of saying that Popes are human after all, and are not God.   If so, I admire his action greatly.
    And I heard on the News several things about him previously that I respect also.   Although of course I know little about him overall.

  10. schoolgirlforreal profile image76
    schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years ago

    I think it's a bad sign and that we will get a very liberal pope next.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Very possible.
      From what I've read, Pope Benedict was doing a pretty good job.   I'm not Catholic and I don't approve of many of the ways of Catholicism,  but Benedict was known for upholding a lot of conservative Biblical views. 
      I expect his leadership will be sorely missed as time goes on, if the Church doesn't hold tight to the basics of the Bible......

      1. bBerean profile image59
        bBereanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Catholicism does not hold tight to the basics of the bible.   Perhaps you are referring to many shared values with Christianity, which you do not want to see them abandon.  We would be in agreement there.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Once again, you have good discernment.
          And you are correct.
          I am trying very hard.
          God help me.

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        riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this
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      Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That's what everyone thought when Pope Benedict was elected.

    3. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That is what the Catholic Church needs if they don't want to keep losing members. Gasp... he might be black even!

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    lifegamerposted 3 years ago

    I was hysterical over this announcement!  In a funny way, Muahaha!  Sh*t is sooo hitting the fans...and sooo hittin' the peeps standing in front of those fans!!!

    Lovin' the Chaos, Kids!  However you See it being served...Eat hearty & "Stay thirsty, my Friends"! big_smile

  12. stclairjack profile image80
    stclairjackposted 3 years ago

    i've had a day or so to soak it all in, and a few things seemed worth noting after reading through this thread,...

    then cardinal ratzinger was a near VIOLENT slayer of those invovled in sex abuse scandals. in his position with the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, he was nick named JP2's little german pit-bull,.... most vatican insiders agree that ratzinger wanted very much to bring the ever growing scandal into the public and quite litteraly all but crucify the guilty priests, both those who commited the acts and those who sheltered them.... but it was JP2 that would not allow him full reigne to do so..... you will note that after his election as pope, there was indeed a "lawyering up" of the church, but also a firm hammer from within brought down, and still rining in the ears of the guilty right now. the crimes had to be delt with and finaly began to be, but also the curch had to be defended.

    the idea that ratzinger/benedict 16th is a child molester,.. pepeophile,.. nazi or nazi sympathizer,.... grow up,... elvis is dead, the moon landings were real,... and your neighbor has no desire to read your thoughts so take off the tin-foil hat.

    all of life has a teaching moment in it if we are willing to look for it,.. and see it,... JP2, for all his faults and triumphs,... in the end,... taught a narsisistic world how to age,.. and how to die,... with dignity.

    it seems that benedict 16th may well teach us humility,... by knowing when to admit your limits,.. knowing when to sacrifice your own glory for the greater good,.... i can only imagine how tempting it might be to hold tight to the reigns of such a powerful position,... and how difficult the descision must be to admit what you are no longer capable of,....... in a world that sells the notion of eternal youth through pills and diet etc,... it will be quite refreshing to see if he serves as an example of how to recognize the matural proscess of life,... and rejoice in it.

    on a purely theatrical note,.... the resignation of a living pope for the first time in 6 centuries creates a unique conundrum in the future,... how does the current pope handle the death of the past pope???..... the protocal will be written from scratch.

    poorly spelled as always  -jack

    1. stclairjack profile image80
      stclairjackposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      its been two days and no one has commented on my post.... i guess i should have dropped in some satanistic refferences and perhaps an outerspace plot to anal probe the pope and take over his mind via his rectum, thereby controlling the worlds 1.2 billion catholics like an army of rosary slinging assasins to clear the path for the next race of atheistic star children.

      oh well,.... woulda shoulda coulda

      1. jonnycomelately profile image87
        jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        My previous note about not judging a person by his/her looks, was maybe perverse, because I have never trusted that man since he first was raise to power..... that was ME judging him by his looks. 

        Funny how the reality of life takes a long time to sink in to my brain.

        I am no historian or theologian, but is not the entire history of the Church of Rome, right from very early times, a story that brings doubt and intrigue to mind?

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    You two dudes... sigh.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    When Im trying to identify a person's motives Claire, I tend to use this verse, "By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" Mt 7:16. What motions or movements or facial expressions one might take on is sometimes coincidental. If you look for evil in the heart of man, you will find it in every man, for we all are sinners, but that is different than actively worshiping Satan, and a persons life will reflect that more so than a gesture.

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Some people make these Satanic hand gesture out of ignorance.  That is why I like to expose it so people won't do it.   I've realized you can never deviate from the original meaning.  For example, when I was fourteen I had an all-seeing eye amulet and used to wear it a lot.  It representing my favourite film, "Stargate".  I was most annoyed when a friend at school saw me where it and say it was Satanic.  However, he was right.   Even though I imputing my own meaning to my necklace, the original meaning stays and people will always see it as such. 

      I don't go around "looking" for evil in every man.  However, when it's obvious and relevant I'll say so.

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        riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        The original meaning of
        Artificial:This originally meant ‘full of artistic or technical skill’. Now its meaning has a very different slant.
        Nice:This comes from the Latin ‘not to know’. Originally a ‘nice person’ was someone who was ignorant or unaware.
        Awful:This meant ‘full of awe’ i.e. something wonderful, delightful, amazing. However, over time it has evolved to mean exactly the opposite.
        Brave:This once was used to signify cowardice. Indeed, its old meaning lives on in the word ‘bravado’.
        Manufacture:From the Latin meaning ‘to make by hand’ this originally signified things that were created by craftsmen. Now the opposite, made by machines, is its meaning.
        Counterfeit:This once meant a perfect copy. Now it means anything but.

        So try the original meanings on people and see the response. Any word or symbol or sign has only that meaning by which it is understood. And whatever be the symbols, they are harmless in itself.

        1. jonnycomelately profile image87
          jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          What a fascinating insight to language...... thanks for that, we learn something new every day.

        2. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          It's always good to do a little background check on someone to see what their intentions are when pulling a Satanic hand signal.  And trust me, the Pope wasn't saying to the people, "I love you."

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            riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            There I have to do two background check, one on pope and other on Satanists.
            Though I don't like the pope nor agree with what he stand for, he is not a satanist.
            Now let's agree he is a satanist and he showed the symbol, but tje people who saw it didn't know it is satanist and will not carry any meaning. Suppose they know the meaning of it, the pope will never show it public.
            Suppose you know that showing the jester is jailable offence will you dare show it in public?
            Now as I said earlier most people, especially those who know sign language, think its I love you and in italy, spain and Argentina it means you are a cuckold and in America it represent a bull the symbol of longhorn football team. So coomon sense dictate that pope is not showing the symbol as a satanist.

            Now regarding satanist, I don't see any difference between any other religion and Satanists. And unlike many other religion they never did any persecutions nor they believe in satan nor god. In fact I just think them as another religion based on the data available and has every right to pursue their religion just like any other.

            1. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Even though there are Satanic sects in the Vatican you still sure he is not one?




              Why shouldn't he show that hand signal even if the people know? People who point it out get ridiculed and so they can hide things in plain sight.




              People have mastered the art of denial.  Even when the freakin' obvious is shown in their face they still won't believe it.



              If there weren't Satanic sects in the Vatican or if the Pope didn't try and seek immunity against covering up child sex trafficking then maybe you have a point.  But no, Satanists love to torture children and, well, the Vatican is known for harming little children. 




              Most satanists are covert.  They are in politics, medicine, education, military, police, etc.  They don't do things in the name of Satan in public.   So, yes, they cause a lot of misery in those fields.   LaVeyan Satanists, named after Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of State, do not believe in Satan.  They believe Satan is their dark carnal nature and the worship of the self.   Theist Satanists believe in a literal devil. 

              People can pursue their own religions provided they don't commit crime at the same time which is what mostly happens.

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                riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                For one it is wild speculation, second we have no evidence.



                If people know it is a satanic signal, that will be the end of the pope. And you yourself agree most people do not know it is satanic symbol. And as I already pointed out, it is only for a minority it is satanic symbol for the majority in the world it is not. Only nonsense sites that say Hellen Keller is satanic sprout such nonsense. The people, who point it out, do it against common sense and hence get ridiculed. I don’t think even the Satanist think it has much power.



                Very difficult to shut down common sense.



                That again is your speculation and pedophilia has nothing to do with Satanism, nor does pope seeking immunity have anything to do with it. Pedophilia is a disease, and a mental abnormality, while believing in "supernatural" is not considered so, yet.



                Most religious idiots are overt and are in all the spheres mentioned by you and cause so many problems because of their nonsensical beliefs, so? People can believe in god or devil, so what is the point? Just because they believed in god, didn’t stop them from perpetuating crimes, did it?
                Criminals, irrespective of the religion they follow, do crimes.  If religion is the cause of that then not only Satanism but all religions should be banned. It was in the name of Christ that Christians did the inquisition, what difference they have from the Satanists as you say it?

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                Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Wow, Claire...just...wow.

                It amazes me what you say about people who are supposedly your brothers and sisters in Christ.  Regardless of how I feel about the things you say you believe, I have never accused you of being evil or of being a satanist.  Nor have I ever asked whether or not you belong to a specific denomination so I could berate, belittle, and insult its leadership the way you do with others.

                I often find myself praying for you because I believe you truly mean well, but your words these days are just plain accusatory, cruel, and hate filled.  Most mainline Christians believe in Satan, but few of us believe as you do, and we certainly don't scout him out at every possible opportunity. 

                Why do you fight so hard?  Take God's hand, for Pete's sake, and REST in your faith.

                1. Claire Evans profile image90
                  Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  So by pointing out the evils of the leaders in the Catholic Church I'm somehow way out of line?  The truth is the truth and I'm sorry you can't accept it.  It has nothing to do with being hateful.  I'm sure Jesus was very "hateful" when he berated the Pharisees.

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                    riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Unfortunately you didn't point out the "evils" Claire.  Did you exposed the pedophile priests? Did you expose source of the money church is getting and spending for evangelisation?  You didn't comment about the money the pope took to recognise mussolini.
                    The only"evil" you pointed out was some sign by pope which only you and some conspiracy site knew was satanic and some nonsense from a nonsense site about pope's immunity that didn't even know that a German citizen cannot be simply arrested in Italy.

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Claire, I can only continue to pray for you. 

                    Do you understand calumny and detraction? 

                    Probably not.  I'm quite aware of the evil that has been perpetrated by members of the Catholic Church leadership.  I believe with all my heart that every single person responsible for covering up the sexual abuse of children should be held accountable for their actions, or lack of action, as the case may be.  Do you have a way to make that happen?  I don't.  I have to continue to pray for God's mercy and justice for all involved.

                    I have accepted the truth. 

                    It sadly appears that you have not.

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Jesus was never hateful.  The difference is that when Jesus spoke about evil or called evil men out on their actions, He was right.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        So using that story, were you evil or was the amulet evil?
        And to not drag this out, my point is, evil comes down to motive and intent. It was not your intent to present an evil, your motive had a separate meaning.

        If someones hands, eyes, face etc falls into a position or gaze without the intent of evil, that person does not become satanic, anymore than you did with the eye amulet.

        I went thru a period where I was getting hurt every time I turned around and I was losing trust in ppl, reading ppls actions negatively. A pastor told me something Ive always tried to remember. "Always try to see the best in others." I know you will think that's crazy, that we must be wary etc... but God is in charge. We cannot do His job for Him, our job is to love the least of these and let Him judge as He sees fit. It is quite freeing. Anyway, that's my two cents. <3

        1. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Was I evil? No, but I couldn't object if people thought I was because I associated myself with a Satanic symbol.   I'm not referring to people who who pull hand gestures out of ignorance.  I'm talking about those who do.   Let's do a little bit of algebra here.  The chief exorcist in the Vatican says there are Satanic sects in the Vatican; the Pope is seeking immunity from prosecution for covering up child sex trafficking and now I'm to believe his Satanic hand signal is innocent?

          Where do you think Satan would make his presence most felt? In the Christian church trying to corrupt it to lead people away from Christianity.

      3. Disappearinghead profile image90
        Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        But Claire, so what? Were you expecting some evil from an all seeing eye to somehow rub off on you, afflict you with a curse, or send you to hell? Symbols are nothing but monikers to identify with something. They have no power or mystical magic. The amulet was nothing more than a cheap piece of metal shaped by a stamp and die in a Chinese factory.

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          riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          This was what I was trying to say and you did it more beautifully and clearly with fewer words. Hats off. Wish I could do as well you.

        2. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Symbols have plenty of power when you have nefarious intentions.

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            riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Symbols have no power unless there is person behind the symbol who can rally people for what it represent.  The red flag was a great thing in Soviet Russia, but a sign of contempt now.

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              Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Absolutely.

            2. Zelkiiro profile image85
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Not even that. Symbols have only as much power as the observer is willing to give them.

            3. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Symbols can subconsciously affect people.  However, in Satanism and witch-craft, symbols have a lot of power.  They stand in a center of a pentagram when doing rituals.   Symbols can't exactly harm the average person. 

              Symbols are very important in Freemasonry. Here are some quotes:

              According to Occultists Manly P. Hall, the secret power of freemasonry lies in its symbols:

              "The philosophic power of Freemasonry lies in its symbols, its priceless heritage form the Mystery schools of antiquity.” (Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, p.578, 2003, original edition 1928)."

              "The symbols of the wise always become the idols of the ignorant multitude. What the Chiefs of the Order really believed and taught, is indicated to the Adepts by the hints contained in the high Degrees of Free-Masonry, and by the symbols which only the Adepts understand.” (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Charleston, A.M. 5632, p. 819)"

              "Occultists the world over believe that, once a symbol is created, it acquires power of its own, and more power is generated when such symbol(s) are created without the profane [uninitiated] knowing about it. And, the greatest power of all is created in the symbol(s) if the uninitiated NEVER discover that the symbol exists…

                  “The occultist firmly believes that a symbol or a set of symbols possesses inherent power once they are created. Therefore, occultic doctrine teaches that these Satanic symbols would act as a powerful electric-type grid once they were set in place.” (Masonic Symbols of Power in Their Seat of Power: Washington, D.C., Cutting Edge Ministries website)"

              http://leavethecult.com/2012/03/28/the- … f-symbols/

              Many people when looking at a symbol will assign a completely different meaning to it.   In the media, symbols will appear subliminally but subconsciously people will pick it up without them knowing.  Often sexual obscenity will be place in cartoons to adversely sexualize children.  The purpose is to make the child more accepting of it.

              This is a picture from "The Little Mermaid":

              http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7693112_f248.jpg

              Looks innocent enough but there is an image inside the circle.  An erect penis.

              Here we have another scene from "The Little Mermaid":




              http://s2.hubimg.com/u/7693117_f248.jpg

              The priest is having an erection.

              Here's a video explaining hidden meanings in business logos:
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Mc1Gujqc0

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                riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Symbols are only important for people who think so and only for what it represent. Other wise it is some drawing or just human body parts in peculiar way.
                Give an example, just show a person who see hollywood films regularly, back of your clenched fist with middle finger raised, then show it to someone who has never been to modern civilization, that will tell you the difference. Or show even the "most potent" symbol to an animal, then you will know its power.

                1. Claire Evans profile image90
                  Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Symbols have the power to influence people if they have been exposed to it all their life and not if they came across it the first time unless that symbol is hexed and someone is vulnerable to possession.

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                jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Claire, I am most surprised that you even noticed that!   There is earthly hope for you yet!   Shall I send an SMS down below to let them know to expect a call from you?   wink

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                  riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Because she was not looking for it!!
                  Those pictures are found only in a few sites and blogs mostly from conspiracy nuts  and some funny sites that pick up distortions in pictures and magnify it for a laugh.
                  Remember the Iranian(?) ban on Donald duck because he didn't wear pants?
                  One usually laugh at such nuts, but there are people who take it seriously like Claire who can see hidden symbols and satanic conspiracy to take over the world..

                  1. Claire Evans profile image90
                    Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Distortion in pictures? You've got to be kidding. 

                    Of course you don't like what I'm saying.  The thought that I may be right is terrifying to you so it comforts you to say I'm nuts.

                2. Claire Evans profile image90
                  Claire Evansposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You're a sick person.  That was pointed out to me.  See the circle around it.

                  1. jonnycomelately profile image87
                    jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Just humour, Claire.   The subject is that (un-) serious.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    "And satanist are just like Christians,  the difference is only in the nonsense they believe."

    So incredibly offensive and condescending. If you don't believe in God, that is your right, but to blatantly say a Christians deepest beliefs are nonsense is nothing but disrespectful.

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      riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Just as I told you you before, neither you believe in God, you only believe those who taught you.
      And just because it is somebody's sacred belief doesn't give sense to it.
      Offensive is when you say two world leaders, one an elected president, and a deaf and dumb person, who is dead, who is a model for all deaf and dumb persons are Satanists.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You are very presumptuous to assume that at no time in my life could I come to a decision concerning God with my own free will. My mom thought Blazing Saddles was hilarious. In the sixth grade it seemed juvenile to me. My dad devoted all his down time to golf. I tried it several times and found it to be exceedingly boring. They loved Southern Gospel quartets, to this day that music grates on me. I also have my own thoughts on religion, politics and a host of other pressing life questions.

        As for everything else you said... Im not sure if English is your first language, but Im having trouble understanding some of your points. Maybe I should go back and read it again.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Oh I see, you're having a go at Claire again. Ok, well that doesn't really have anything to do with me, but thanks for including me.

    Your other point about something being sacred... and believing... etc. I didn't say you had to believe, I said you should be respectful of someone elses belief, it has to do with maturity and human dignity and nothing to do with religion. Maybe it was not how you were raised.

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      riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      When you replied for Claire , I thought you agree with her views that the world leaders are satanists.


      Is this showing maturity?
      If i tell you the sky is pink and plants are blue, you will say it is nonsense unless I have safety in numbers. If I say there is a "pink dinosaur" in my room which nobody else can see you will say the same. Why should god alone be given exception?

      When you say you believe in god, it actually mean "you believe god exists".
      When you say you believe in your parents it means you believe that they are telling the truth.
      See the difference? You cannot believe god as you believe your parents because no one knows what god said.(He is not a person to speak anyway). All your information regarding god you got from other people and you trust them, and accept that premise. Once a human accept a premise as true, then all his subsequent views are colored by that - called bias. When you adopted a child you felt god is saying in your heart to adopt, while it was just your wish, you attributed it to god. An atheist might be attributing it to intuition, or his wish alone. This has got nothing to do with free will(which is an illusion, by the way), it all depend or our anatomical make up and learning.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Again, you make presumptions and because they make sense to you, you view them as fact. If that is so, the conversation is moot.

        I have already addressed my personal experience with God in one of my hubs called "Ive heard the voice of God" or something like that. I doubt you would be interested enough to read it, but if you are, maybe that will give you actual insight to the incorrect conclusions you have drawn about me.

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          riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          What I said is not about "you", but about you, me ,the whole humanity. Whether you agree it or not, 99% of the humans are similar 99%. We all think similarly and the method we use are all similar.
          And I read your hub, confirmation bias. Unless you first keep in mind there is god, no god can talk to you. Unless somebody told you about god you will never know about god (proof is that a hindu child knows only about hindu god while a Christian, Christian and an atheist neither and before two years no kid knows about god unless parents take special care to instruct them). And without knowing you cannot "evade" as you told in your hub. All the voices or thoughts in your mind, though seemingly from outside, is yours only.

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      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      He may very well have been raised to respect people, but that isn't the same as respecting their beliefs. Since, beliefs in gods are not mature or dignified, they don't command nor deserve any respect as they are beliefs that trade reason and thinking for faith in myths and superstitions and have caused more harm and conflict in societies than any other ideology.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Im gonna be honest with you here sir. You thought I had you banned or something, accused me of reporting you, of which I did no such thing, and at the time, had no idea even how to do, and you began harassing me every possible way you could. It was a total shock to me cause I had barely spoken to you and b/c I don't enjoy the hostility of strangers as much as I should, I don't believe I will be conversing with you, but I wish you well.

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I seriously doubt that.

  17. C.V.Rajan profile image68
    C.V.Rajanposted 3 years ago

    How do I apply for the post? tongue

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Apply for what post?

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        Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        He wants to be the pope.

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          lol

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe Claire could apply for the post of H.V.M......!   wink

            This would call for absolute purity in the face of eternal opposition from Mr. Satan.

  18. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 3 years ago

    @ the OP...good riddance to him....the protector of the peds!

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    It's great that we are all experts in every field be it religion or sex. Maybe being authors of our own hubs has somehow encouraged that belief within our own minds. "If I believe it, if I say it... it must be true."
    Is there no way to humbly share a point as "opinion?"

    1. C.V.Rajan profile image68
      C.V.Rajanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Well said!
      At least in the matter of sex people say and believe what they say is true and they don't mostly get angry for any  different opinion. But in matters of religion, people get so worked-up and angry!

 
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