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miracle tonite

  1. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 3 years ago

    we thought our family member had a spider bite on her arm, but God suddenly told me that I needed to get her to the hospital right away,it took convincing for about an hour, but I won out, and we drove her to the er. The doc takes one look at it, and within ten minutes she;d had minor surgery to drain (or whatever it is they do, I got kicked out of the room for too much anxiety)the penicillin resistant staff infection in her arm. The doc was happy we acted so quickly. Those things can get really bad, and even kill you. THANK YOU GOD I LOVE YOU

    1. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You can't be serious.

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        totally serious

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          That's disturbing.

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Perhaps to you it is, to me it's pretty normal.

            1. brotheryochanan profile image61
              brotheryochananposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              People are disturbed by good things that God does for people. It hammers at the very foundation of their non-belief and part of me thinks they are a bit jealous, having confidence in only those things they can see, feel, hear and touch.
              God is good.
              even to those who are disturbed because they do not recognize Him working.

    2. Zelkiiro profile image85
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It took God to tell you that a spider bite might be dangerous?

      /facepalm

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        Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Are you serious? How many spider bites are dangerous? Do you go to the doctor every time you have any type of reaction to a bite? The insurance company must hate you.

      2. brotheryochanan profile image61
        brotheryochananposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        or a bee sting.. or an orange or a peanut.
        It didn't TAKE God to tell but God TOLD.  This is love and relationship.

    3. Paul K Francis profile image82
      Paul K Francisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Sometimes things can be cherished as miracles just because they turn out a certain way despite reason and logic and all the many interesting possibilities. Its like the guy says, " One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see! "

  2. lone77star profile image90
    lone77starposted 3 years ago

    Bless you, Janesix, for your love and persistence.

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    When my daughter was little, about 31/2, she was playing near the fender of an old ('49) VW  I came out because she called me to look at something... she was very tuned in to all creatures, big and tiny.  She was pointing at something hanging off the fender with her forefinger. I bent down to see what it was. I was horrified to see the red hourglass belly of a black widow... But, with great relief, upon closer inspection, I saw that it had a curled up look to it. It was newly dead! How did it die? To this day I think that my daughter's guardian angel made the spider die before she could touch it!

    1. brotheryochanan profile image61
      brotheryochananposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      There is no support for guardian angels as in angels that are specifically assigned to us. It would seem the best angle on this is that any angel nearby suffices to help out, but then again, God is everywhere.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Wow!
        I did not expect this from you!  My daughter's guardian angel saved her many a time... How dare you use an imagined sense of superior authority to correct ME. You who gives everyone a piece of your mind continuously.  You, who expects others to listen to YOUR claims!
        Wow!

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        what is your proof to support what YOU say to ME? No one asked me for proof... and I do not have it except by wishful thinking. Why do you correct wishful thinking? Why suffocate blind belief? Isn't that what you, yourself encourage?
        Wow.
        I would not correct you.
        Thanks for nothing.

  4. LisaMarie724 profile image83
    LisaMarie724posted 3 years ago

    Amazing, glad you got her to the hospital in time.

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    Emile Rposted 3 years ago

    I am happy to hear that your family member was saved from what could have been a life threatening condition.

    I am curious about the claim that God spoke to you; since your last thread was a complaint that you hadn't heard from him in six weeks. Is this typical of the type of contact you were in the habit of receiving prior to the last thread?

    I would like to take this thread at face value; but was it defnitely a voice seperated from yourself who told you to take the family member to the hospital, or was it your own mind running through all of the possibile scenarios? Had you read anything recently concerning the so called 'super bugs'? There has been a lot about it in the news and I would think it was possible that you might have run across one of those articles which would have given examples of the type of things to be on the look out for.

    Either way, I could see you giving thanks. Your fast action saved your family member. But, I am curious about the claim of the voice speaking to you.

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That last thread was semi-serious. I was irritated and confused as to why God would desert me for so long. He HAS spoken to me before, but most of the time it's through feelings and signs, but I always know it's God.

      This was God practically shouting at me, without words. It was extremely intense. This has renewed my faith and trust in God to a great degree. Hopefully this means the dark night of my spirit is over.

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        Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Good for you. I'm very happy that things are going better for you in the spiritual department.

      2. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
        Slarty O'Brianposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Couldn't it have been your own intuition? The subconscious does amazing things, including allowing you to think the idea came from outside yourself when in fact it didn't.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I have seen too many things to believe in intuition that doesn't come directly from God.

          1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
            Slarty O'Brianposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I know too much to believe in god. Particularly about intuition and the subconscious.

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              To each his own. Thing is, I totally understand why you don't.

              smile

              1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
                Slarty O'Brianposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Thing is, I am totally sure you don't.

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't like to argue with spiritual infants, but I will make an exception for you.

                  1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
                    Slarty O'Brianposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Mighty Christian of you. wink But I am not seeing an argument from you. You can not know with any certainty that god talks to you. If you say you can you are lying to me and to yourself.

                    What you can do is tell me you have faith that you talk to god. You probably do believe it, but that does not make it true.

                    Now, I can tell you why you think you talk to god. But I doubt you would be interested. You want to believe it even if it is not true.

                    Now if you want to talk spirituality, I could tell you a few of my own experiences and then tell you why they do not point to a god. And I am sure I have seen what you have seen and more. But again, I doubt your interest.

          2. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            And yet, the thinking person would probably see those things as explainable in terrestrial terms.

            The believer leaps to conclusions of magic.

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I don't believe in magic. Only the natural and biological process of spiritual growth.

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                Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                What's a miracle if it's not magic?

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  It's just a word for direct intervention by God. No magic needed.

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    magic |╦łmajik|
                    noun
                    the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.

                    Sorry, but you need to believe in magic to believe in miracles. They are the very same thing.

                  2. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    An interjection, as I've never truly understood the word "miracle" as used by believers.

                    Does a miracle violate natural laws (it is something that cannot happen) or is it something that happens all the time without God's intervention?

                    If the first it would seem proof that God is acting, if the second then how can you tell God did it?  What makes it different than anything else that happens that you can then claim it is a miracle rather than man's doing, coincidence, etc.?

              2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Lol. Sorry, but we both know that isn't true. There has never been shown any "natural or biological process of spiritual growth". What you refer to is equivalent to magic.

      3. brotheryochanan profile image61
        brotheryochananposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        God is silent for reasons that God understands. Sometimes we become silent toward Him first, taking things for granted and lalalaing our way around. God is silent for others reasons also but God always knows what he is doing and why and in the end the best always is the result.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Making stuff up again?

          1. brotheryochanan profile image61
            brotheryochananposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            to support your claim of making stuff up.. please describe your evidence that this is made up

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You have no way of knowing what your God knows or why he does or doesn't make himself silent.

              1. brotheryochanan profile image61
                brotheryochananposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                you call that evidence? no wonder your the way you are.
                I could make such a long post about adam walking in the garden with God, moses and the law, the ways of God clearly spelt out, we could look at the prophetic nature of prophesies so accurately spoken, we could skip so much persuasive evidence about how God interacts with his people that you would be a year older after reading it all. Then we could go to the NT as see jesus, God in the flesh walking amongst his people and his picking 12 disciples, Gods plan for redemption and just ignore that Jesus spoke to everyone, the we could see Sauls life (Paul) changed and dramatically turned around, We could then speak of Gods spirit in people and all of this and more shows interactivity of God with humankind throughout thousands of years. We could even mention afterlife - again another example of how God wants to be with people. And wait there's more... but your two lines of personal opinion preclude my going into greater detail.

        2. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          And you believe that because...God says so?

          It reminds me of the ad being run recently where the girl thinks everything on the internet is true because it's on the internet.

          1. brotheryochanan profile image61
            brotheryochananposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            yes it would remind you of that, however, it does not remind me of that.

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    Rad Manposted 3 years ago

    You made the right decision, give yourself credit.

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      Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Is that what you are doing with your lottery numbers?

      Don't take this the wrong way, but what is the difference between her believing a voice told her to get a family member to hospital asap, and you believing a voice told you to play the lottery?

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        Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Are you asking me what's the difference between being given lottery numbers and knowing when to take someone to the hospital? Should I take my own advice and take credit for picking those numbers? I'll give some credit for your critical thinking skills Emile, however you question my comment about accountability, but don't question where the voices came from.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          To reiterate
          1. What is the difference between being given lottery numbers and being told    to get someone ... against that person's own wishes...to the hospital?
          2. Should both of you take credit for following through on inner guidance?
          3. Where did the inner guidance come from in Mr. Radman's case?
          4. Where did the inner guidance come from in janesix's case?

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            Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, that is the question. I wonder at us. We have an experience that can be attributed to nothing other than a spiritual moment, and we accept it. Someone else makes a similar claim and they are not viewing it logically. I wonder why we don't give others the same latitude we give ourselves, when reviewing experience and determining what to attribute it to.

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          Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I have no idea where the voices you guys hear are coming from. I suppose if they decide to gab with me I might hone in on an idea. For the time being, I'm simply happy for the both of you. It's very interesting.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I understand inner guidance. When I say, "God help me!"  I get an immediate response. It is in the form of my self talking to myself. After all, God is within and without. He is in You, Me and All.
            It is not so mysterious. It is pretty constant with all people, all the time
            ...except atheists who wish to ignore the soft voice within and without.
            From my experience, one just has to be open and absorbing.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Kathryn, I applaud you.

              You're beginning to understand the "inner guidance" is just you. Like you say, it is not so mysterious. smile

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Just me as a small drop in the ocean of God.
                (maybe you should stop applauding!?)
                God, (the ocean) is not so mysterious.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I have been working on this awareness for a long time... so you are wrong when you say "beginning to understand."
                  I am thankful to Jesus, Paramahansa Yogananda, Sri Yukteswar and all the saints of all religions. Without them where would I be? I would hate to think...
                  For me, meditation is the key. It helps one be open to God's omnipotent presence.
                  Just sharin'

                2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  No Kathryn, it's just you, no gods required.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    You,  A Troubled Man, mean to say, "no God required." It is Interesting to note that that you did not write it the way you meant it.
                    I am sure you know full well we are not discussing "gods" here. We are discussing
                                                                                  GOD.

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              Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I pause to close my eyes and breath slowly for a moment. Which clears my head, allowing me to focus  Whatever thoughts are the result of that process are usually dead on to the situation at hand, or the answer I was looking for. But, attributing it to God? I don't know. If we accept that then we have to accept all claims of interaction. Many beliefs attributed to a desire to stay within the will of the god people claim to know personally make you shudder. So, with my opinion of what a Creator would have to be in order to exist I can't accept your statement. It would mean God was the impetus behind all thought. The good, the bad and the ugly. How do you resolve that?

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                The difficulty seems to be this:
                                       The reality of God versus the concept of God.
                I feel sorry for those who were indoctrinated (by parents, church ministers, or priests or Sunday school teachers) by the concept of an all watching, judging and/or punishing God.
                I was never given that concept. I do not feel (and never have) the wrath and punishment of a watching God.  God loves us so much he absolutely stays away until called upon... so to speak.  I believe we have freedom from His scrutiny by knowledge of this fact:
                                                   He follows the dictates of one's will.
                So, if we want to have a good romp in the bedroom, unless we invite Him to watch ... he wont!

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                  Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I appreciate your view, but I can't resolve it with the fact that many people call for things they need and don't receive help. But many people claim to call for things they want and do.

                  I'm not averse to belief. I have my own. But, my belief can't take precedent over another. I can't benefit where another doesn't. I can't have wants satisfied when needs are ignored. If I do, then it negates it as being truth in my mind. Which probably sounds silly.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't over think it.  I perceive the essence of God with total trust and openness. He has his own will and his own reasons for what he gives and doesn't give, I believe. Here is a story my mechanic told me. I will make it brief as possible:  His name is Ry.  One day in the 80's Ry went to Mexico and got stranded on the beach in a truck with the high tide coming in... he got swamped there on the beach. He didn't know what to do.. He was so freaked out he started drinking and then he started praying to God to help him.. Well, a yellow rope showed up out of nowhere.. and a man in a vehicle came upon the scene and they used the rope to pull him off the beach.  Later in his life the yellow rope showed up again. He was trying to make a decision to buy a particular house or not ...and a yellow rope showed up on the ground in front of the house. So naturally he bought that house. It was a good purchase and he loves the house to this day.

                    (I do not plan to give any more examples of miracles, as I know they really irritate Radman...So, this was my last one. Ry just told me this story last week when I took my car in, so it was fresh in my mind. Who knows if it was God or not or just coincidence...  I think Its okay to attribute it to God. It really is.
                    As Radman said, "I suppose it does no harm to others..."
                    does it?)

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Atheists don't ignore the inner voice at all. We understand it's a function of the brain and thought.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                not always.

                I could repeat that a million times.
                -that is how convinced I am.
                I feel sorry for anyone who does not understand. I wish others would back me up here.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Kathryn, we all have inner dialogue, it's a product of the brain. Super ego, ego and id as described by Freud.

                  Take credit when it due. It's due, good job.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Flattery will get you everywhere...
                                                                            Not!
                    The only reason others do not back me up is because they are smart enough to not throw pearls to swine
                    to trample
                    to ridicule
                    to ignore
                    to belittle
                    to flatter
                    to discredit
                    to pretend like everyone who does not believe as they do is
                    full of it.
                    Still smillin' and
                    just bein' friendly.
                    Not.
                    You tempt me to bark back-
                    I have fallen for it.
                    No more.
                    Finis.

  7. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 3 years ago

    You guys are just arguing over words. I already said I meant "direct intervention by God". Call that whatever you want. I chose a common term that is understandable by many. Next time I will just say directly what I mean so there will be less confusion.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, there still will be confusion.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No, we're pointing out that miracles are indistinguishable from magic.



      But, we both know that is obviously not true.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I am concerned with how we treat each other in this forum and all forums.
        Why can't we all get along on HP. Atheists can think the way they do and God-believers can think the way they do. A forum can be a place where others are treated respectfully as individuals with feelings and sensitivities behind his/her pecking fingers!
        What is wrong with being polite and respectful here as anywhere else?
        Just because of the word, forum?  Debaters don't have to be dismissive to one another.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Because you believers want us all to accept your irrational beliefs and how your god wants to tell us all how to behave and act. It is the believer who is the cause of the discontent and conflict and why we can't all get along.



          Because your religion and your beliefs are neither.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            No one in this forum has done that to you. NO ONE!
            Right?  I was referring to how we treat each other in these forums. Actually, we are supposed to be on friendly terms with one another according to stated HP rules. When you tell me that I " fallaciously" make up stories, that is not friendly. I am a fellow human being and not an automaton.

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
              Slarty O'Brianposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You are new to forums aren't you?

            2. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
              Slarty O'Brianposted 3 years ago in reply to this
              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Got cha.

            3. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Please show us in the HP rules where it says we must be friendly?



              Believers always make up stories, which they fallaciously attempt to tell us is reality. If they were 'friendly', they wouldn't do that in the first place, they would be honest, instead.

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Well, I actually got booted off HB Forums for responding to YOU and RADMAN who I felt were verbally ganging up on me. Addressing my disbelief that no one would come to my defense, I actually used words like sheep and maybe even worse  So, for 17 hours I wore the HP dunce hat, sitting in the corner, contemplating the badness of my blatantly audacious keyboarding.
    But whatever... I will rise to the occasion and be really sneaky with my bark backs.
    So, Look out, A Troubled Man.

  9. Lor's Stories profile image60
    Lor's Storiesposted 3 years ago

    Well who has the mind of God?
    Check the Bible

    1. Zelkiiro profile image85
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I took a look at Revelation. God's a stoner, then?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Zelkiiro, Do you really believe in Vishnu?
        There are many spiritually scientific aspects to Hinduism. In fact the Book of Revelations is in harmony with the Sankhya philosophy in India.
        For instance, the seven golden candlesticks refer to the chakras. These are the seven light centers in the body. I only mention this because Revelations is all symbology which we westerners cannot understand. (In fact, Jesus did go to India. There are records of his visit there. People tend to not accept this fact, however.)

        1. Zelkiiro profile image85
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Nah, he's pretty terrible. I tend to go with Helel or Yoshitsune instead, though I sometimes use Ishtar, too.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            -won't Zoamelgustar be jealous?

            1. Zelkiiro profile image85
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Using Zoamelgustar would be just plain unfair.

  10. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago

    Sometimes an anecdote about a spider, is just an anecdote about a spider.

  11. khmohsin profile image61
    khmohsinposted 3 years ago

    This short story of care told us and lesson for us that how much our family is important. God Bless You and you did the great work.

 
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