I do not believe he is joking. His name sake did it routinely, he especially liked rolling in the snow. The Papal position on it is basically --- It is ok as long as it causes no pain to the body. Lest you think this strange, talk to the lady who runs until she hurts, because she was bad and ate chocolate. Nowadays we say no pain no gain.
There is a world of difference between attempting to run calories off and whipping yourself as penance. Unless it is your contention that abuse is good for the body. If so, hopefully you agree that abusing yourself is the only abuse allowed.
Easy there. I was just giving the notion of all of it. The concept that we can punish our bodies so we look more sexy and fit, that we can diet so we are more attractive, is very much along the same lines. An hour in front of mirror with makeup, sitting in a steaming hot sauna? These are bizarre ideas. The guy who works 70 hours a week? Would it be then wrong to suffer so for the soul. Again -- easy on the messenger.
You're scaring me. I suppose your point is that if it makes you feel better about your image, do it. Do you think there is ever a point to stop at? What about people with psychological problems who cut themselves? Is that OK? It does make them feel better.
No Emile my point is the opposite. I think most of that is very weird indeed. But folks in glass houses should not throw stones. All the "bad" habits are abuse of the body for pleasure, that is insane. There is a clear line in the sand to be drawn -- when it is harmful. (google up "secret lashes" you will be blown away at the inflicted irritation of the eyes for beauty)
The forms of exercise and diet I practice certainly do not punish my body, quite the contrary. It is the lack of exercise and good diet that accomplishes that. How that equates to beating oneself for punishment is as disturbing as it is mind boggling.
Sure, there are folks that exercise because they want to look more sexy, but that only serves to increase their ability and capacity to reproduce and pass on those "sexy" genes. Is that a problem?
Personally, I have no such visions of grandeur and am focused more on how exercise and good diet is adding more benefits to my life, having lots of energy to do things and the motivation required, fewer injuries, increased skill levels, endurance and strength, not just in every day life, but all sporting and recreational activities. The list is endless.
Amen brother. I follow the liturgy of this time and gave up chocolates and sodas and beer. I hike a hill called "cardiac hill" and suffer mightily in training for bigger hikes. I give up certain meals and give the savings to good things. But I must admit to pinching myself hard to stay awake during some sermons ;-) I think I do not understand some things. But that does not mean I condemn them.
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