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Jesus said "do not throw your pearls to pigs"?

  1. SwordofManticorE profile image75
    SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago

    What does this verse mean to you Matt 7:6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces

    1. Disappearinghead profile image89
      Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I believe that Jews of the time referred to Gentiles as being dogs and pigs. Even Jesus called the Syro-Phonecian woman a gentle dog before she asked to at least have crumbs from the table. If Jesus is referring to Gentiles it ties up with his statement that he had come for the Lost Sheep of Israel, the inference being he didn't come to the Gentiles.

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        Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Ironic.

        1. Disappearinghead profile image89
          Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          How so Rad Man? After the resurrection jesus told his disciples to tell the World. This wasn't a change of mind but the next phase in the programme.

          1. Levertis Steele profile image83
            Levertis Steeleposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Yes!

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            Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You don't think your statement is ironic? "the inference being he didn't come to the Gentiles."

            1. Disappearinghead profile image89
              Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Not at all. He came to reach Israel and after the resurection he began phase 2, the Gentiles. It is normal on complex projects to split them into phases, we do it all the time in work. smile

              1. StefanBach55 profile image60
                StefanBach55posted 17 months ago in reply to this

                Mark 16:9-20 - This section is a later addition and the contained command to make disciples of all nations is full of errors

                Mark 16:9-20 has been called a later addition to the Gospel of Mark by most New Testament scholars in the past century. The main reason for doubting the authenticity of the ending is that it does not appear in some of the oldest existing witnesses, and it is reported to be absent from many others in ancient times by early writers of the Church. Moreover, the ending has some stylistic features which also suggest that it came from another hand.

                The gospel of Mark (Mk) was the source of the gospel of Matthew (Mt) and Luke (Lk). Lk and Mt were written with the additional part which later was added to Mk. The source (Mk) was subsequently supplemented by their derivatives (Mt, Lk).

                Verse from the additional part (Mk 16:15):
                He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation ..."

                See Matthew 28:19:
                "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, ..."

                See Luke 24:46:
                "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations ..."

                The BIG QUESTiON: Why there is nothing mentioned about such statement in the book "Acts of the apostles"?

                In the dispute (see Acts 11) among the apostles about the possibility of non-Jews becoming followers of Jesus of Nazareth, peace be upon him, there was not mentioned a single word about a command of Jesus of Nazareth in which he said to them that they should make disciples of all nations. (Compare: Mt 28:16-20 with Acts 11:1-18)
                It was only mentioned: "And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'" (Acts 11:16)

                Conclusion:
                Jesus of Nazareth, peace be upon him, never gave a command to make disciples of all nations.

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 17 months ago in reply to this

                  Wow, everyone is reviving dead and rotting threads.. lol

                  You're getting ahead of yourself. Back up, big picture:

                  John 14:6

                  Keep the following keywords in mind when reading...

                  "no one"

                  And yes, I am quoting the King James. Hope that clarifies what He didn't say.. (on the record) but certainly implies here. (obviously) smile

                  1. StefanBach55 profile image60
                    StefanBach55posted 17 months ago in reply to this

                    Of course the thread is 2 yo, but it was one of the first google search results and so i wrote a response.

                    You should also keep in mind:
                    And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone." (Mark 10:18)

                2. Michael-Milec profile image60
                  Michael-Milecposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                  Did anyone said "Pearls ?"  Oh, yes, Jesus Christ has some explanation to it, "The kingdom of heaven (kingdom of God ) is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls. Having found  one pearl of great value he went away, sold all he had and bought it."(Matt. 13:45).
                  Suppose, the things pertaining the highest value  are only for serious seekers of God's righteousness; not for everybody . The kingdom of God - spiritual eternity = gold's rule in the heart of man.

                  1. Kiss andTales profile image24
                    Kiss andTalesposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                    The pearls you are speaking of is not in the same setting ,
                    Mt 7:6“Do not give what is holy to dogs nor throw your pearls before swine, so that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.
                    Which this means at
                    Pr 9:7 The one who corrects a ridiculer invites dishonor, And whoever reproves someone wicked will get hurt.

                    So food for thought is even though you have great value in the tongue and may speak much truth, ridiculers will attack you just because they see no value in your words. But when I speak I know they are there , I really focus on the people who are quite the opposite. Jesus had the same troubles and he set example for us to follow.

      2. SwordofManticorE profile image75
        SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        That is how I understood it DH.

    2. renegadetory profile image94
      renegadetoryposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus meant that we are not to give that which is sacred to those who not only blatantly disregard Christ's message, but also takes pleasure in crushing and destroying what was given to them. 
      Proverbs 26:11- "As a dog returns to his vomit, so a foo, repeats his folly"
      2 Peter 2:22- "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."

    3. Levertis Steele profile image83
      Levertis Steeleposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      We know the behavior of swine and dogs. There is not one decent thing they will do with pearls. With that in mind, This scripture presents a fitting analogy using the behaviors of these animals to possibly compare to human beings who are adamantly not receptive of, but rejects truth and Jesus' love. Even Jesus avoided going to certain cities that were full of evil people unwilling to receive or listen to him. He knows hearts, so He is saying, "shake the dust off your feet"and look for better pickings. Sodom and Gomorrah would be swine because the people refused righteousness.

    4. galleryofgrace profile image81
      galleryofgraceposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      What it means to me is that I shouldn't throw my "stellar" hubs in front of people who are illiterate and can't understand a word. Just a simple example.

      1. Lisa HW profile image81
        Lisa HWposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        lol    A similar thought (not necessarily about Hubs but the Internet in general) occurred to me.   smile

    5. Ericdierker profile image81
      Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Wow He describes exactly what His Father did to Him. I had always just read it as words of wisdom in dealing with those who do not want to learn new ways. People who live by their own understanding and hold that sacred.

      But now I see also as a prophecy. The Pharisees are the swine. Christs' loving message the pearl and Christ who they turn on.

      I'll bet you 100 bucks that Peter and James did not get it all ;-) But thought He was talking about piggies and doggies.

    6. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Religions are based on ignorance, hence the statement was made as an insulting claim of superiority over others who don't share the beliefs. It only serves to show the lack of morals and ethics contained within the religion.

    7. SwordofManticorE profile image75
      SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Personally, I believe that we are not to share divine wisdom to those who mock it. Dogs and pigs in my opinion are symbolic for the filth in the hearts of those who mock Christianity. It could range from pharisee, rabbi, another religion and most of all, the determined atheist who relishes the chance to set traps and expose our mishaps when angered by them. Keep in mind, the examples I gave are ones who mock our beliefs, not those who are not Christians yet respect the right for us to believe and leave well alone.

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        Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        That respect is supposed to go both ways. You're showing a lack of respect and dignity by calling those who don't agree with you pigs or dogs. It shows the ethical growth of a child in a school yard.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Or, lack thereof. smile

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            Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Hey, wanna go for a bike ride.
            No thanks, I wanna play video games.
            You're a pig.

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              Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              lol

              That about sums up the mentality behind those types of comments.

            2. Kiss andTales profile image24
              Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              To Mr RD I think no one comes out and call people pigs , That is your statement bluntly. and you can disagree with out name calling , many do on hub pages, but the text used was a symbol to represent the situation of meaning. While your meaning is more vivid ,this is not the case for others.

              Example , You save money for a college fund for a student ,say 25000 dollars.
              You present it to a student that you feel worthy of your gift. That is that they would appreciate what you have contribute to the cause of education, You feel that they will do something with the gift that will help them for a life time.
              Yet a year later you find out  that this student is not a student anymore ,he dropped out of class the first year, and he bad mouth you as being stupid for giving him this money anyway, because he squandered it up . So with that thought your attention was in the right of your heart. And you stuck out on a good choice for a deserving student. this student would not be called a pig ,yet that is how he acted ,he did not appreciate valuble things.

              1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry, but your religion offers nothing of value, quite the contrary, in fact.

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                Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                There you go again telling someone they are acting like a pig because they don't do as you want.

                1. Kiss andTales profile image24
                  Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Some people love to argue  it does not matter about the word it maters about the meaning ,and in many cases in the example i gave the word was not needed because you get the point. You do not have to name call literal for you to understand that people do not appreciate  valuable things .that is the point of text.

                  Now if you want to be literal with your understanding then you can. But others see it different.

                  1. Kiss andTales profile image24
                    Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh and in the text not just valuable things ,but spiritual things that are referred to as pearls. words here are just symbolic .to understand the meaning of lesson. That is all. Why make more of it .

        2. SwordofManticorE profile image75
          SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I am not bothered by those who are offended. If you had of left ridicule out of discussion in the first place and left well alone, I would not of had to ask this question.

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            Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Do you think disagreeing with you is ridiculing?

            1. SwordofManticorE profile image75
              SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I am always agreeable to disagree in any matter. ATM on the otherhand likes to kick dirt in our faces with his ridecule and whines foul because of one word. I have told him a number of times to feel welcome not to comment on anything I ask, yet he continues to mock believers.

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                Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Skip over his comments. If you don't read them he can't offend you.

                1. SwordofManticorE profile image75
                  SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I do, it was a responce for Beth who has been somewhat troubled by ATM lately.

                2. SwordofManticorE profile image75
                  SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I meant to encourage a fellow Christian, not a God mocking heathen.

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                    Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    You really, really need to rethink your understanding of spirituality. I'm not sure you are getting everything out of it you are supposed to.

                  2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                    A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    lol

                    Yup, keep the insults coming, you're contributing more to atheism than anything else.

              2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry, but that is false, I am not mocking you. I am criticizing your religious beliefs and sometimes the comments regarding the beliefs are hilariously funny and often absurd.

                You, on the other hand, are openly insulting people, calling them swine.

                Do you not even know the difference?

          2. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, you will happily insult us and will not care about it, while bleating all kinds of false claims of victimization.



            No one is insulting you personally, yet you are doing that yourself.

      2. A Troubled Man profile image60
        A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, and we can see from your response the attitude of superiority, arrogance and lack of morals your religion is teaching you. This is only serves to further divide mankind and blight our societies with that tripe.

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    Emile Rposted 3 years ago

    Not what you think it does.

    But, please ignore the first part of that chapter. I've copied it for your consideration (which I bet you won't bother to think about):

    Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.


    That precedes your convenient reference. Unless you can show us how you have abided by the first six verses, you are wasting time expecting any to accept that you honestly want to understand what was meant in the next verse.

    1. SwordofManticorE profile image75
      SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I asked a simple question and now you come here to attack me personnaly. Is that just as Christ like? Can you at least tell me what you think Matt 7:6 means to you before you attack me first.

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        Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        OK, I'll humor you and pretend that we don't both know what caused you to start this thread.

        I think Jesus had a better understanding of human nature than the next guy. He knew how we act when we share something we consider to be precious and it is not well received. The Bible speaks to people uniquely. What are pearls of wisdom to me might not be the same things that are pearls to you. So, he wasn't referring to pearls of wisdom, he was referring to those things you hold precious spiritually.

        To not throw pearls before swine was an attempt to help you not create contention. Not create a situation which would cause ill will and ill thoughts. Keep those things that are precious close. That which is sacred to you is for you, and you alone. Sure, you can share joyfully with others of like mind; but if you share with those who are not of like mind and they share that which they find sacred and precious and you don't agree with them; it makes a mockery of your inner thoughts and emotions and a mockery of those of another. You think ill of them and they of you. At which point the name calling starts. Both sides reacting the same emotionally.

        1. SwordofManticorE profile image75
          SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Not bad

  3. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 3 years ago

    He meant pearls of spiritual wisdom.

    That most people don't want to hear it, and will at least make fun and mock you, and at worst torture and kill you.

    1. SwordofManticorE profile image75
      SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Good point.

  4. Kiss andTales profile image24
    Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago

    Great reminder and you know sometime you get that thought in your head  and just keep talking! Great words!

    1. Kiss andTales profile image24
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Could you imagine throwing a diamond to a pig, he see's nothing of it's value ,but that also may say somthing about the person who through the diamond that they should already know what kind of animal it is ? meaning you can not change a pig into a lamb.

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        Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        It appears to me to be a nice easy way of belittling those who don't agree with you.

        1. Kiss andTales profile image24
          Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Well what person would be happy and celebrate rejection, when attempted ,the person behind the good or bad issues never likes rejection, that is why forums keep going.

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            Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Is that what your religion has taught you? Is it morally and ethically correct to call someone a pig when they disagree with you?

      2. SwordofManticorE profile image75
        SwordofManticorEposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Thats a good way to put it KaT

  5. Zelkiiro profile image84
    Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago

    If you're gonna quote the Bible, don't use the NIV--it just makes the text sound even more idiotic and ridiculous than it already is. At least the Geneva and King James bibles try to sound dignified and important while being laughable.

  6. Michael-Milec profile image60
    Michael-Milecposted 3 years ago

    Jesus of Nazareth (there's more about Him,those with Faith know), came first - [ second to redeem ] -to teach/show those who were/are teachable and willing to continue in "God's idea' originally imposed in the "Garden ". Right at the beginning of His 'public service', He is pointing to ultimate rigorousness of the message : do not force TRUTH upon rebellious, defiant or those who will reject it, they might come back as fault -finders , evil speakers ... ( evidences prove to be right ).

  7. Kiss andTales profile image24
    Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago

    To you it would not apply , because you fit the example I have given. And besides you no nothing of my religion,

    1. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, and even though you said, "I think no one comes out and call people pigs", you just did.

      Oh yes, we know a great deal about your religion, far more than you, actually.

      1. Kiss andTales profile image24
        Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You see you said it I didn't. You use the word ,I used an example. A difference.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, you essentially referred to me as pig. Why not just be honest about it?

          1. Kiss andTales profile image24
            Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You are honest to yourself .

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              Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I don't know why anyone bothers, because it appears those using this are less than honest with themselves. But if I said we shouldn't expect neanderthals to understand simple logic anytime a Christian disagreed with something I thought made sense, would you consider that an insult?

            2. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Then, why can't you?

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Oooh, this is the thread that started it all eh? Did I comment on it? I didn't see where I did.
    Ill be honest, Im really bad with details Emile. When I read a news paper, I miss all the headlines and only see the story. Im that way with everything. A lot of times when I comment, I may not even know what thread I commented on, or have read more than the comment above mine, or the op. Anyway... I don't think Id seen this thread before.

  9. ii3rittles profile image87
    ii3rittlesposted 3 years ago

    "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." (KJV)

    Rend: Cause great emotion pain (in the heart)
    Lest: To avoid the risk; in case; the possibility of something undesirable happening.
    Swine: A person regarded by the speaker with contempt and disgust.
    Dog: Something of inferior or low quality; An investment that produces a low return or a loss.

    So this scripture essential means : Do not give anything of value/good/holy to something/someone that will turn it against you or other innocent people because they may/possibly cause great emotional pain or cause undesirable things to happen.

    Essentially, don't trust evil. Don't give what God has given to you to false prophets. Don't invest your money into things that will bring low return or loss.

    He is teaching us to be prosperous in this scripture. smile

    1. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No, He is teaching you to be selfish, suspicious and intolerant.

      1. ii3rittles profile image87
        ii3rittlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        So giving to evil people so they can use their power against you and others and trusting evil is a good thing?

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Who said anything about trusting evil? It was not mentioned in the verses or in the definitions you provided.

          Is it automatic for you to assume those who don't share your beliefs are evil people? And, they are trying to use their power of evil against you?

      2. ii3rittles profile image87
        ii3rittlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Looking over your replies, you just offer bitterness. I am sorry you have such little faith & invest so much into a world that is evil. If you don't believe in the Bible, that is fine, but don't poison a discussion for the rest of us.

        1. Kiss andTales profile image24
          Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          That is what his motive is ,if you notice he just reject any commit on any subject of God ,he feeds off his power to destroy helpful thinking, do not not allow the negative of this person to disturb you ,usually you find out how strong is your faith. Jesus had many alike in his day , that is even more prove that the bible is on time and is accurate . Also notice he does not post on the atheist hubs because ,he gets no joy of others like his self. To him and there are others like him enjoy the hunt!

          1. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, it is very "helpful thinking" to spread the belief that we are swine and to make sure that nothing we say will every disturb those "helpful" thoughts.

        2. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          lol  <--- me offering bitterness



          You need not be sorry, you invest and have as much to do with this world as anyone else. I don't need faith to escape it, but instead use understanding to appreciate it's splendor and magnificence. The world is not evil, deal with it.



          Oh, I see, you don't want any of us sitting up and taking notice of the discussion, you know, the one in which we're being labeled as swine?

    2. Zelkiiro profile image84
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Wrong.

      "Rend" means to tear or shatter, especially something solid like muscles or bones.
      "Lest" is the same thing as "or else."
      "Swine" has always referred to things non-Jewish, whether it be the animal itself or people who just plain aren't Jewish.
      "Dogs" refers to anyone beneath your perceived station or anyone you deem to be less holy than you.

 
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