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Does Death prove God?

  1. Trushered profile image60
    Trusheredposted 3 years ago

    While even an atheist is alive, he might even dare to say that no one created human life. But after or during death.

    Doesn't the thought change a bit?

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      Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Get hold of an atheist after she dies and ask her?

    2. Silverspeeder profile image59
      Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Nobody has proven anything happens after death (except the body decays) and atheists are always asking or looking for proof so why should they change their mind over this?

      1. Trushered profile image60
        Trusheredposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Nobody has proven that the sky is indeed blue, too. :-)

        1. Silverspeeder profile image59
          Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The sky is not blue, we may see it as blue in the day because of the reaction of sunlight on our eyes. If the sky is indeed blue why is it black at night?

          1. Trushered profile image60
            Trusheredposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            "The sky is not blue,"



            http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8111525_f248.jpg

            1. Silverspeeder profile image59
              Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              How about when its black then? Or on a particular day when the sun rise or sunset turns it different shades of red. A clear cloudless day-time sky is blue because molecules in the air scatter blue light from the sun more than they scatter red light.  When we look towards the sun at sunset, we see red and orange colours because the blue light has been scattered out and away from the line of sight.


              The only certainty on the posted topic is that humans die. No one has evidence of anything after death.

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                Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                That isn't quite true. Many people claim evidence. They simply don't have verifiable evidence. There is an incredibly large difference in the two.

                1. Silverspeeder profile image59
                  Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  But there is verifiable evidence that we die.
                  Non Verifiable evidence is all about belief.

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                    Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Isn't that the way of life? We have verifiable evidence of something so we set out in search of information about what lies beyond that something? Attempting to understand where that something came from and what that something could eventually be?

                    I realize there are many who believe death is the end. Maybe it is. And, maybe it isn't. But, if one person feels experience has shown them proof of something beyond this reality, something of substance; this evidence will set them on a course to make assumptions as to the meaning of this evidence.

                    There are plenty of people who have had experience in line with the term NDE. They have plenty of ideas as to what that means. Those of us without a NDE are left to believe the explanation most plausible. What we consider plausible is determined by other experiences, as well as our beliefs.

                    So, from where I'm standing, using my experiences coupled with my beliefs, I must determine what I consider to be most plausible. Had I had a NDE the experience itself would not be belief. It would be evidence. Without verifiable evidence any attempt to explain the evidence would ultimately be belief.

                    Each of us is left to critically review our thought processes and our experiences in order to determine what is true and what is belief. However, evidence does not have to be verifiable by another in order for it to qualify as evidence to us. It has to be verifiable to the individual. My inability to accept your testimony does not necessarily negate the truth of your experience. It simply means I will see your words as fiction, not fact. How many times in history has what is perceived as fact by the individual and perceived by the whole as fiction moved into the category of what is perceived as fact by the whole?

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      While EVEN an atheist is alive? Yes even us, can you imagine, EVEN atheists are alive. Tell me, would you say that about any other group of people? While EVEN African American's are live... While EVEN women are alive... While EVEN Italians are alive...

      I stopped reading after that.

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        Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        This is a joke, right? If not, you find the strangest things to take offense at. Atheism is a philosophy. Are you implying African Americans and women are also?

        I get what you are saying about Italians though. That, definitely, is a philosophy.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          LOL. Would you have felt better if I had said EVEN muslims are alive... Even christians are alive... Even the lowly hindus are alive... I even heard a rummer that Buddhist are alive. Help? And you should now I took no offence.

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            Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Even though I was a little put off by the wording in the OP, I think your question would still lack merit. Don't those philosophies believe in God and an afterlife? What would be the point in asking that?

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I must be doing a poor job of communicating. It's the word "even" I have a problem with. It mean "even the lowly..." I am serious I didn't read past that. It's like me starting a comment with "Even Emile breaths..."

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                Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                To be fair, I think he meant:  Even while atheists are alive.  I don't think the sentence was structured well.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  What a difference the word while makes? LOL

                  Even atheists are alive.
                  Even while atheists are alive.

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Scary, huh?  Why sentence structure is i m p o r t a n t.

                2. Trushered profile image60
                  Trusheredposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You're right. I should have arranged the words properly. Anyway. :-)

  2. Renee Abbott profile image86
    Renee Abbottposted 3 years ago

    I did have a near death experience, and yes it did change my views. I went from being Jewish to now believing in no religion. I do believe in something, but not religion. If I told Christians that I didn't see Jesus when I died, but where I went was beyond beautiful, would they stop believing only good Christians go to heaven? I doubt it. We choose to believe what we wish. I am sure many would say it was just my imagination or the work of the devil.

    I am not an atheist, but I would say if they had a nde this might change his/ her mind, and might not. If a Christian had a nde and didnt see Jesus but didnt see hell, would it change their mind? What would happen if a Christian saw Allah or Buddah? What would happen if a Christian saw the Goddess Bridget?  If an Atheist had a nde and didnt sleep, he might think it was his brain doing the show. It probably would have little significance to him. It probably would have the same significance as a Christian, Jew or Muslim dying and not seeing the god of that religion but saw a world of beauty. It is not easy to move out of one's beliefs.

    1. Trushered profile image60
      Trusheredposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Reality is still reality. Whether we believe it or not. The sky wont turn into green if I keep imagining. :-)

      1. janesix profile image59
        janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Oh really? What is 'reality"?

        1. Trushered profile image60
          Trusheredposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Reality is that the sky is blue, and not green :-)

          1. janesix profile image59
            janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Not always.

            1. Trushered profile image60
              Trusheredposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              When it is green, it is reality too :-)

  3. SpanStar profile image60
    SpanStarposted 3 years ago

    Question: Has anyone ever found all of the missing links that lead up to a human being?

    1. wilderness profile image93
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Question: what is a "missing link"?  Every individual organism that exhibits any change from it's parents?  Every organism that can be classified as a different species by biologists? 

      Question: what is "lead up to a human being"?  Every species from the first cell that lived?  Everything from the first primate?  From the dinosaurs?

      1. SpanStar profile image60
        SpanStarposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        What Is a Missing Link? WOW I have no idea where you've been. For years It has been the argument atheists and scientists has been pressing on society as to the evolution of species.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/evol … found.html

        1. wilderness profile image93
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Sounds like they found one, all right.  But you failed to answer the question as to how you are defining it.  As every individual organism, as every distinct species or some other personal definition.  The reason I ask is because every time a "missing link" is found the religious community demands another, to the point that one wonders if they will be satisfied at anything less than a complete skeleton of every ancestor back to the first cell that lived.  Without defining what you mean the question of whether we've found every one cannot be answered.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Do you mean Lucy or Ardi?

 
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