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If you do yoga, you are playing with fire

  1. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 3 years ago

    Yoga is one of Satan's ways to seduce you into giving up your soul to him. Not the only way by far, but it certainly seems to be one of his favorites. It is even taught in schools and churches now.

    Meditation, mudras (specific hand signs and body postures) and mantras are specifically designed to get your brain to a certain state of conciousness, where he can then influence your thinking.

    Eventually, if you are foolish enough to continue this practice to it's culmination, you will lose your soul. Possibly this only means that you will have to reincarnate and remain on this Earth, but it could mean you lose your soul for good. It is basically making a deal with the devil. In fact, that is what it literally is.

    1. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      There isn't an emoticon or words that could describe the massiveness and magnitude of just how ridiculous and hilarious that comment.

      Grown adults, indeed. lol

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I can't stand you ATM, but I really hope you never experience this for yourself. I don't think you are a bad person. I wouldn't wish anything bad to happen to you.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I do yoga as part of my exercise program. I'm not a big fan of yoga because it is hard to do, but I know the benefits of yoga do wonders to my physical being, giving me flexibility, balance and strength.

          If that is Satan's doing, then bring it on. smile

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I suppose you know what kechari is,then?

          2. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            And how about tantra?

            1. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Most of that is just mumbo jumbo.

              1. janesix profile image60
                janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                It is yoga.

                Yoga MEANS "yoking to God" or "union with God"

                it is a Hindu religious practice.

                But it is really just a way for satan to get you into a union with him.

                1. HowardBThiname profile image90
                  HowardBThinameposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Wait a sec...you said it meant "yoking to God." If that's true, perhaps trying to get away from yoga is an attempt to get away from God. It's obvious from your description that God loves yoga and Satan hates yoga.

                  You chose wrongly, I fear.

    2. IslandBites profile image84
      IslandBitesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      LOL

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      Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Wait, what??

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        Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I'm looking forward to when she researches and debunks the reincarnation idea.    She'll get there,  I bet.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          he and he'll

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            Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Do you mean janesix is a man?

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      Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Not that I want to make a deal with the devil, but just once in my life I would love to have an experience that helps threads like this make sense. Honestly, I thought it was a joke. I've practiced yoga. I have no idea how you came up with this.

    5. Uninvited Writer profile image82
      Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha.... thanks for the laugh...

  2. Zelkiiro profile image85
    Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago

    If a calming exercise routine is enough to make you lose control of your mind, then you have a really effing weak mind in the first place, and so nothing of value was lost.

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think you really know what yoga is. It's hardly a "calming excersize routine".

      1. HowardBThiname profile image90
        HowardBThinameposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        LOL,

        I think you watch too many movies.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Why don't you go study what yoga really consists of before you lololol me.

          1. HowardBThiname profile image90
            HowardBThinameposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I took yoga classes for years and all it did was help me relax after a day of work and keep me in great physical shape. The instructor left town about 7 years ago - so there went my yoga class, but I thoroughly recommend it to anyone who wants to get in shape.

            No hocus pocus to it at all.

            Not everything that is different is evil.

            It's just different.

            Sometimes, it behooves us to get out from behind the curtain and join the world of the living.

      2. psycheskinner profile image80
        psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        It is if that is how you do it.  Plenty of people use it as exercise, or exercise and meditation and nothing more.

        Others use it as part of their religion, and Hindus are *not* Satanists or some front for Satanism.  Suggesting otherwise would be very prejudiced.

        Perhaps you should consider that you, personally, had an idiosyncratic bad experience--and it does not have huge implications for yoga, Hindus are indeed anyone but you.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Hindus aren't Satanists. Satan uses yoga as a means to manipilate people. People just don't realize it.

          It starts out fine until your hands atart moving into mudras by themselves. It only gets worse from then on.

          1. psycheskinner profile image80
            psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            For *you*.  Perhaps you should explore alternative explanations for your experiences before denigrating a practice of a major world religion and a leisure activity for millions more. Because either Satan is very wimpy, a lot of people are Satanists or influenced by Satan, or you got it wrong.  I know which I find more plausible.

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              It is hardly just me. A simple internet search should clue you into that.

              1. psycheskinner profile image80
                psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You and a handful of other people who thought you saw Satan (assuming such a being exists) versus the other billion or so who find it a life enriching practice.

                IMHO you seem like you were overexcited to it being a world-saving revelation and it backfired.  I find it helps with my muscle cramps, and it does.  Not sighting of Satan as yet.

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  And I hope you never do.

                  1. psycheskinner profile image80
                    psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I think it is unlikely given that I don't even believe in him.  When it comes to things outside the physical world we tend to see things that we are open in some way to seeing. Especially as I do not put myself in extremely altered mental states.

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I have a hard time believing that you were 100% excited about this one day ago and now you are all of a sudden 100% against it. It seems to me as if you're playing some kind of a game. You can't twist facts to fit your needs. It is deceitful. (3, 2, 1... enter ATM.)

          2. HowardBThiname profile image90
            HowardBThinameposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            If your hands are moving in ways you don't want them to move - perhaps you should see a medical doctor. It could be the first sign of a debilitating condition.

      3. jonnycomelately profile image85
        jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        How would you know?  You have never tried it, obviously.

  3. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 3 years ago

    Do you know what a krya is?

    1. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Detergent.

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        A krya ia a spontaneous movement. When this happens to you, perhaps you will believe me.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Have you ever heard of muscle memory?  Where one trains their muscles to move without conscious involvement from the mind?

          Athletes use it (particularly fighters), machinery operators use it, and a great many people the world over use it when performing repetitive tasks.  It frees the mind to do other things while greatly speeding up reflexive action.

          If you don't like the feeling of your limbs moving without conscious volition or think that training your own body to do so results in Satan moving your limbs FOR you, don't train yourself to move them that way. Problem solved.

          1. stclairjack profile image79
            stclairjackposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            if it werent for muscle memory no one would ever learn a musical instrument!.... agree completely

        2. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Believing anything you say is highly unlikely.

      2. jonnycomelately profile image85
        jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Wash your mouth out with it, ATM!

  4. Reality Bytes profile image93
    Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago

    All the answers are within yourself.  Anything outside of your own mind is nothing more than your personal perceptions.  Do not blame outside forces for your existence.  All reality begins inside of your own mind.  Anything you think is unique.  No two people think the same. 

    There are no mystical outside forces influencing your life.  It is you, it has always been you.

    1. Vinaya Ghimire profile image85
      Vinaya Ghimireposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I'm a practicing Hindu, which means I practice meditation, yoga and tantra. Mudras and mantras are the parts of meditation and tantra. According to your definition I'm a Satanist, my father is satanist, my mother is Satanist, President and prime minister of my country are satanist, 80 percent of 24 million people in my country are Satanist. About 80 percent of 1.2 billion people in India are Hindus, and almost all Hindus practice some form of yoga and meditation. Buddhism also emphasizes on meditation, and madras are essential part of meditation. China, Japan and Korea are predominantly Buddhist. Chinese, Japanese and the Koreans practice meditation all the while their hands making some mudras.The world seems to be full of Satanist.

      1. johndnathan profile image88
        johndnathanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I'm afraid so.
        I practice meditation to de-stress after work.

        So I guess I'm a Satanist too.

        Oh darn.

      2. Reality Bytes profile image93
        Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        What?

        When or how did I make any reference to Satan?

        Perhaps you responded to the wrong post?

        1. Vinaya Ghimire profile image85
          Vinaya Ghimireposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I was trying to respond to the person who created this thread. There was some connection problem and sadly my reply posted under the wrong post. Sorry about that.

          1. jonnycomelately profile image85
            jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe a journey out of the body that took the wrong turning, lol   lol

            This thread is one of the most amazing and amusing I have ever seen.

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              Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I find it amusing that the ads at the bottom of a thread about Satan using yoga to steal your soul are attempting to sell yoga pants and yoga services. If janesix is right, Satan isn't incredibly bright.

  5. Nicholas Fiorito profile image90
    Nicholas Fioritoposted 3 years ago

    Do you have any basis whatsoever for your argument and your faith, or do you merely regurgitate empty and wild claims about things you know little about?

    1. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8306157_f248.jpg
      The human condition...............ah, .the psychology of it all!..The psychology of it all-oh the humanity!

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    SirJackSullivanposted 3 years ago

    I think the funniest part of this discussion is when you brought up that "krya" is a spontaneous movement...of the devil, apparently. Do you think all Penetcostal Christians are going to Hell too because of their spontaneous bursts into "speaking in tongues" and dancing in church?
    Just wondering.

    1. jonnycomelately profile image85
      jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Oh for sure!

  7. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    BTW spreading untruths is abuse of freedom of speech.
    So, thanks for nothing... on this topic.

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      riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Then stop doing that, please.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        -who are you to request that of me.

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          riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          So you can "abuse" freedom of speech, only others shouldn't do it?

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            So sorry.
            Who am I to argue with anyone? Who are we to argue amongst ourselves.
            Instead, lets vote to see how many agree that Yoga is Bad vs. those who agree that Yoga is Good. I vote that it is good. Thats one vote for Yoga: Good.
            Any votes for Yoga: Bad?

            1. gmwilliams profile image86
              gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              http://s4.hubimg.com/u/8302291_f248.jpg
              Oh boy, oh boy, this is ....RICH! Yoga is bad?  C'mon now!

              http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8302277_f248.jpg
              ANOTHER one ! What will be next?  Yoga as the source of ALL EVIL?  Give me a break, man!

              http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8301025_f248.jpg
              I told you not to say anything, why didn't YOU listen!  It's pointless!  What DID I tell you?

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              riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I like Durian, so is it good or bad?

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Good for... what?
                Bad for... what?

                (Thanks for the excellent analogy, R6.)
                Durian is Bad for the sense of smell. 
                Good for the sense of taste.

                Yoga is Good for those who wish to develop their awareness and love of reality within and without.
                Yoga is and Bad for those who idolize sloths.

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                  riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Yoga is good for those who want to exercise but want peace and avoid gym. Reality has nothing to do with yoga.
                  Yoga is bad for those who want muscles and not flexibility.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Reality does indeed have something to do with Yoga. Most people don't realize this fact, but its a fact, nonetheless.
                    BTW Where does Durian grow? I have never heard of it!

        2. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          That's how public discussions do.  People say stuff, other people heed, engage or ignore it to the extent pleases them.  The same applies to advising people not to do yoga because Satan will get them.

          1. gmwilliams profile image86
            gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            +1,000,000,000,000,000-oh the folly of it all!
            http://s4.hubimg.com/u/8300935_f248.jpg

    2. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Tell us about the god untruth some more. smile

  8. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

    This is getting so interesting to say the least!

  9. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8301025_f248.jpg

    This is getting....GOOD! Let's SEE where THIS is going......

  10. EclecticHoosier profile image83
    EclecticHoosierposted 3 years ago

    This is satire, right?  Tell me this is satire.....

    1. jonnycomelately profile image85
      jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe, but I feel there's a little confused thinking here somewhere, might even extend to something deeper.

      1. gmwilliams profile image86
        gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        http://s4.hubimg.com/u/8301531_f248.jpg

        I'M  AFRAID IT'S NOT SATIRE........IT'S VERY, VERY REAL...........IT'S DEEP ALRIGHT, KNEE DEEP...

  11. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Any votes for Yoga: Good?
    Any votes for Yoga: Bad?

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I would guess that its already about
      5 Good
      2 Bad.
      ...at this point the blue butterfly has been out voted and has apparently flown away.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Can't go by polls.
        Lotsa people don't vote in polls.
        If they were to vote in this "poll".........I believe most people who know the Bible's intent and heed its warnings about things of the Devil.......would indeed "vote" against yoga.
        The Bible says to give no place to the Devil.    It also says to meditate on God's word.     Other types of meditation do what janesix says (leaves your mind "blank" or open to other thoughts (repetitive thoughts, even!) besides the word of God.    The Word says we should exercise self-control,  that we can even control our own thoughts (or at least control how far we go with our thoughts).   Inviting just anything or anyone into our minds isn't good.

        And it's my understanding that yoga is a specifically Hindu exercise,  even though it may have been "adopted" or supposedly adopted by others in an attempt at using it for a different "spiritual" exercise including Christianity...........the thing is,  if it were a Biblically-condoned exercise,  then it wouldn't be called "yoga" at all.

        1. jonnycomelately profile image85
          jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Brenda, your post here is a very vivid example of the closed, narrow mind of a born again christian, in my view.

          It seems you know nothing about yoga and meditation for a start. Otherwise you would have no need to say things like:  "...heed its (the bible's) warnings about things of the Devil..." 
          "It also says to meditate on God's word."  Really? !!  Where, and in which translation?
          And: " repetitive thoughts, even! "  Are you talking here about bible study and prayer meetings, where there is repetition ad infinitum ?  ("We just pray Lord..."  "We just ask you Lord...."  "Hallelujah!!!  Hallelujah" etc.)
          Those hymns that are sung, week after week, I can imagine your god getting sick of hearing them... so glib and un-meaningful.
          "... that we can even control our own thoughts ..."  and even to the extent that you close off your minds to anything new, to the entire beautiful world that you are blessed with and, instead, concentrate on combating the "evil" that you are obsessed with!
          Compared with the Sanskrit texts and the enlightened understanding it can give to human nature, your very bible and the charlatans that try to interpret it for their own ends, are the epitomy of evil.
          Hope you are not too disappointed with these truths.... they can be a bit uncomfortable to stomach.

          The real truth is that this world is big enough and diverse enough to encompass your views, and my views, and those of Muslims, and Hindus, and Christians, and Pagans, and Wiccans.... you name it.  There is room for all of our points of view.   But presumably not in the minds of narrow, blinkered, fanatical christians.  Am I right?

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            Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You're right that there is room in this world, indeed!  But not in the Spiritual world of a Christian.    We are in this world,  we must live here,  but we aren't to be "of" this world.

            I might be "disappointed" indeed IF those things you said WERE Truths of life.    But they are not.

            You asked what Scripture tells us to meditate on God's word.
            1Timothy 4: 15 is one.

            Also Philippians 4:8

            "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

            There are other Scripture passages that speak to the issue of meditating on the Bible's words.   Do you want those too?

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yoga is the science of union with God. It ain't bad
              - at all.

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                Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Biblically, the "union with God" goes through Jesus the Savior.   He is the mediator between God and man, the only valid mediator.     Yoga isn't a Christian activity,  by its very definition even.   

                Now, I do think a Christian can exercise repetitively and even "meditate" as long as it's Bible-based meditation or even just thinking about good things, OR even leaving one's mind restful and free of cluttered thoughts, etc.   But yoga by definition isn't just thinking good things nor necessarily just restful pause in thoughts,  it's specifically a Hindu (anti-Christian) exercise that opens one's mind up to spiritualism but not Spiritualism (Godly things, the Holy Spirit).

            2. jonnycomelately profile image85
              jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

              A really inspired paragraph to read, learn and inwardly digest.   Do you really suppose Paul was talking about the "New Testament" which in those days had not even been written?

              Do you suppose Paul would be pleased with the narrow- and closed-minded attitudes of today's christians?   

              Do you really suppose that the god you worship, one that is constricted and limited by christian ideas and prejudice, is really worth worshipping?  You will get the god you deserve!

  12. calculus-geometry profile image86
    calculus-geometryposted 3 years ago

    I think this thread is meant to parody a certain other poster who frequents the religion forum. Here are some Satanic animals for your enjoyment.

    http://mindjunks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/up-dog-french-bulldog.jpg

    http://decentpics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/4-Animals-Doing-Yoga.png

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/719f9ad46060309cf01c98a064781efb/tumblr_mkj6uwpLEA1rkh3gdo1_500.jpg

    http://pcdn.500px.net/31503281/88fca7e7a14bb815306e65cd2ce5c71e1fd0e347/4.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Va4_0Abqbhk/UEsG1E527OI/AAAAAAAAB50/zhstSEI--Ic/s400/chair+.jpg

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      bunnies, squirrels, ringtail lemurs, chihuahuas and oh my gosh, even sloths?! - all tuning in to s s s S a t a n.
      Yikes

      1. gmwilliams profile image86
        gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Those animals are so CUTE......

      2. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Watching some one who believes in talking snakes and people coming back to life making fun of some one who believes Yoga is the work of Satan? Priceless. big_smile

    2. jonnycomelately profile image85
      jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      At least 4 of those have Guru potential!

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I'll take Sensei Sloth.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    I hate it when I forget I can unsubscribe from a thread.

    1. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Beth, YOU did not forget.  You know this thread is SUCH FUN!
      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/8309104_f248.jpg

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        How come when you click on "unfollow" it still notifies you?
        (sigh)

        1. gmwilliams profile image86
          gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          If you click unfollow and you respond, it automatically follows unless when you've finished posting, you uncheck the follow this forum discussion box.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago

    By the way,   jonnycomelately.........
    from some of the things you said in your post, I take it that you think I'm a "fanatical" Christian?........
    Honestly.......if anything, I'm one of the least-strict Christians!   I don't think Christians have to dress any specific way except to be decent,   I don't think smoking is a sin,   I don't think drinking is a sin (but being a drunk is),  I think it's okay to joke around some as long as it's not indecent humor,  I watch regular tv shows lots of times (but I can discern when they go too far or if they could lead impressionable people astray),  I believe one can be a Christian and not be a member of a church or go to church every Sunday etc.,   I'm not picky about what kinds of foods people eat or how much,  I'm apt to challenge any Pastor or preacher's words from the pulpit or off,  etc. and etc.  on so many things.
    I've pretty much decided that a lot of strict Christians probably view me as quite heathenish!   But I don't really care.   I only care about what whether a person is saved or unsaved.   I want people to go to heaven.
    I do, however, take the Bible very seriously, and I know that proper interpretation of it is critical in most areas, and I take spiritual/Spiritual things very seriously.    Any activity that can have a detrimental and deceitful effect on people are very important things to me.

    1. jonnycomelately profile image85
      jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you Brenda, it's good to know that I am not addressing you in regard to fundamentalism, and I respect your path.
      However, I do stick to my point here, that to judge yoga and meditation from a position of ignorance needs to be addressed.
      You will find, if you are interested enough to look into it, that there are many christian people who have learned some wonderful insights about spirituality from performing yoga and learning good meditation techniques.   Vipassana meditation, with a strong Buddhist element, can be practised by anyone, of any religion, any faith, without having to drop their faith.   The world of learning is infinite.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Here again, I'm not interested (matter of fact, I'm strongly opposed to) in a mix of religions nor religious activity.   While what I told you is true, and I'm not a strict Christian as far as earthly things that don't matter,  I am for sure set on only Christian modes of practicing "spirituality".    There is only one "spirit" that I'm gonna follow in any way, shape, or form, and that is the Holy Ghost.     The mixing isn't good.   It confuses people.  And the God I follow isn't the author of confusion.    Christians need to have a fixed mind and motivation and set of actions.     There's a verse in the Bible that talks about our minds and hearts being fixed on the Lord.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      - what is deceitful in this arena is the lie that Yoga is in any way a gateway to "Satan."  Yoga teaches that meditation on God, or loving God, (through being still and being with God)) helps bring God directly into one's consciousness and life. It is all about the "lamp of the body" (..."thine eye be single...") which Jesus clearly referred to. In fact, Jesus taught a meditation technique.
      All Yoga exercise helps to energize the body and assists in conscious realization of the source of the life-force within...  which of course is the energy of God. Scientifically speaking, all is God.  Yoga meditation and exercise helps individual awareness in becoming increasingly more sensitive and aware of the essence of God within and without.
      So evil!

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        Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Ah, and here we get to the nitty gritty for real.
        You speak of the "energy of God" and "all is God" and "in and out"..........
        Nope.   All is not God.   God is a specific Being, a specific entity.  He is not the same as other "gods" and He is not "in" everything and everything is not in Him.    He is not non-specific.  He is very knowable in many many ways.   The Bible tells us a lot about Him.   And one thing He is not......is non-specific.

        What "meditation technique" is it that you think Jesus taught, you said?

        1. jonnycomelately profile image85
          jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          So, Brenda, you are indeed a narrow minded, fundamentalist christian!

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            Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I suppose so.   Amen!
            The way is strait (narrow), my mind is closed to false and anti-Christ ideas, and I do believe in the fundamentals of Christianity.
            I am fixed on the Word.    I make no apology for that.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              There is more to the Word than meets the eye. Many things recorded about Jesus have been buried away in the dead sea scrolls or thrown away by Christian reformers. He referred to God as Mother, as well. This is a reference to Mother Nature. God, as Mother Nature, is therefore in everything. You do not have to believe all this. The Bible is good enough for devoted Christians. Its all Good.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Can you tell me where I can find these things that have been thrown away please?

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  They were thrown away as in gone gone gone. The Dead Sea scrolls however, are still intact. That's where Jesus's reference to God as Mother was discovered. I read this in a book I had, but I lost it.

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    So - how do you know what was written in them? And what do the dead sea scrolls say about Jesus exactly?

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                Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Um......that sounds rather condescending, really.  LOL.
                If there were such a radical thing as Scriptural proof that Jesus referred to God as "Mother".......then that would be something that would've been included in the Bible for every Christian to know.
                It's not just that the Bible we "regular" Christians have is "good enough";   it is that it is the complete word of God.

                I simply love it (not) when people claim to know or to know of some great, mysterious,  extraneous verses or writings that aren't in the Bible yet are being touted as divine Scripture.

                Oh my, I gotta laugh again!     You think "Mother Nature" is God?    And that she is "in everything"?
                Well, you're right about one thing----Christians don't have to believe that!  ha.   And indeed no Bible-believing person would.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  No it wouldn't.  The men who translated and compiled the books of the bible would never, every have included any such radical notion that might degrade the importance and superiority of the male gender.

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                    MysticMoonlightposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    +1

                2. jonnycomelately profile image85
                  jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Ok Brenda. Would you like to describe to me what you see as the attributes of your god?
                  I.e., what is worthy of worship?

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                  Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  "Regular " Christians? How would you define what is "regular"?

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                  MysticMoonlightposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Who are you to question what other people's God is, Brenda? God may not be to other people what it is to you and saying such things as this will likely cause issues with people that may see God differently than you. If there are people that believe that God is in everything and they revere that as "Mother Nature"  why can't you just let them believe what they want, no harm done, instead of feeling the need to CORRECT them or their beliefs? Frankly, it is none of anyone's business how others see God, what's it to you? Why do you care? Christians get offended when non-believers laugh at their idea of God yet here you are doing the very same thing. Superiority complex within some mainstream religions is often the cause for much debate and toe-stepping. Laughing at the possible believe that others may have is unbecoming of anyone, this applies to Christians too.

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    God is God.   There is no other.   He is not "Mother Nature".   You bet, yes, I do laugh at such silly notions as God being "Mother Nature",  and I neither owe nor make any apology for being sensible and following the Bible's Truths.

            2. jonnycomelately profile image85
              jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Then I conclude that your god is Brenda-made.

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                Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Au contraire.
                I am wonderfully made by God.

            3. jonnycomelately profile image85
              jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Can you imagine this scenario?   

              It's snowing heavily outside.   You race out into the cold air and frantically manage to catch only 8 snow flakes.

              You come back in and tell everyone:  "It's not snowing very much.  I have only seen 8 snow flakes.  Even they did not last for long.  You will just have to take my word for it that I caught 8."

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I would say
                if it's provable to oneself, it's provable enough!

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Very true.

                  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/115329#post2456853

                  Although I might add that the level of proof leading to belief varies greatly from person to person.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    - yes, as per jonny's illustration. lol!

  15. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

    http://s4.hubimg.com/u/8301531_f248.jpg

    This is getting more bizarrely interesting ...............

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Am I handsome yet? will this photo prove it...
      to me?

  16. Shanna11 profile image91
    Shanna11posted 3 years ago

    Dude, Yoga is like the most chill thing ever (excuse the inherent teenager-isms in that sentence). After a long workout, there is nothing more relaxing than deep stretching and breathing that cools me down. Plus, I'm not flexible at all naturally, and yoga has helped me become so much more flexible. It's a great exercise for your body.

  17. SomewayOuttaHere profile image60
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 3 years ago

    ...where'd the OP go?....lost in meditation....or some entity took over?

    OP - have some faith in yourself....and turn on some rock and roll...just don't listen to the lyrics backwards.....................................................................

    1. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8312089_f248.jpg

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        (Sometimes God's presence seems feminine to me, Brenda. I heard the words in my mind: (once while meditating with love on God)
        " I care about you."
        And this is something I can't prove...)

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          Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Sure God loves you!
          Are you saying you heard those words in a feminine tone, or what?
          At any rate, there's no Biblical reason to think that God is feminine.
          And the term "Mother Nature" is simply a metaphorical description of nature;  it doesn't mean that Nature is an actual Being.........

          1. stclairjack profile image79
            stclairjackposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            i CAN say that father time has a very harsh male tone in my ear,... whispering to me,... "your getting old B**ch!"..... so who knows right? ha!

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              Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Ah, now we're on the subject of "Father Time", eh?  ha.   Of course there is no such Being.   But your post did remind me of the authoritarian ways of most Fathers!    And it's a good thing!    I remember that all my Dad had to do was pat his foot and chide us with his tone, not having to really even say a word, and we listened!    And it wasn't because he was mean or rough or anything like that.  It was actually that his loving and steady and firm treatment of us, and the example of the way he lived his life, commanded respect.

            2. gmwilliams profile image86
              gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You are NOT getting old, you're getting better.  You are saging, not aging.  Time is nothing but a welcoming caress.  Time is a friend, a teacher.
              http://s3.hubimg.com/u/8300874_f248.jpg

              http://s3.hubimg.com/u/8295126_f248.jpg

          2. jonnycomelately profile image85
            jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Whether God is male or female, it's metaphorical - doesn't mean it' s an actual being

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              Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              If you think so, that's your issue, not mine.
              God is real.  He is the Creator.   All of His creation is real, not metaphorical.   We can look around us anytime and know that.

              1. jonnycomelately profile image85
                jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                We? Speak for yourself.  Then whatever you choose to believe can be respected.
                My view of the world is valid for me.  If we can honour the views of eah other it helps. Don't you agree?

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't do "wishy-washy" nor ear-tickling on this subject.
                  Once a person finds the Truth, they should fix their minds on it.   Otherwise, as "janesix" warned,  there is room for false ideas to enter and detract from what's been learned.   Playing with fire, indeed.

                  1. jonnycomelately profile image85
                    jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Brenda,  in my opinion your attitude has no resemblance to the person whom you apparently hold up as your spiritual guide.  Maybe you are hiding from your inner truth, and your blinkered view is intended to impress others of your standing with your god.   Whichever way you want to view it you will find no coverts here.  But certainly it gives us further understanding of human nature.  How obstinate the mind can be.

                    My opinion is, of course, neither right nor wrong --- like me, it just is.

                2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I agree, Jonny. and it is not wishy washy to me. It is thinking and contemplating. It is being internally alive. Fish have fins, humans have  brains/minds.

                  1. gmwilliams profile image86
                    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    In order to grow, one must be eternally inquisitive and to always question the religious status quo.   After all, religions all man-made, tailored specifically for the respective cultural and societal times.  Religions were not made in stone nor are they sacrosanct.   Religious rules and doctrines are wholly dependent upon what particular person makes the rules and his modus operandi.   Everyone knows that the Bible was written by MEN.  Everyone also knows who has thoroughly studied history that the Bible has undergo many revisions.    The Bible has been restructed according to the religious authorities of the time and to suit their power modus operandi.   Also, I would like to add that God is totally beyond gender. GOD JUST IS..........  One can say that GOD is both MALE and FEMALE.
                    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/8314826_f248.jpg

  18. HermeticDestiny profile image61
    HermeticDestinyposted 3 years ago

    Everyone has free will to practice what they choose. If your a good loving person that's what matters. Judging others based on indoctrination and ignorance is sinful.

    1. jonnycomelately profile image85
      jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Welcome to HubPages.

      Yes, I agree with what you have said -- up to a point.

      This matter of free will is a most valuable facility we have.  It needs to be protected, but not at the expense of intelligence and fair play.  Maybe I should explain that a bit more.

      Free will to choose a mate, within the context of cultural expectation.   If you live in a society which has traditionally accepted "arranged" marriage by the family, then you might be willing to go along with it and sacrifice a bit of your free will.

      Free to worship or not worship a higher entity, or god, without bullying from your family or neighbour.

      Free to vote for the politician or political party of your choice....the secret ballot is the most precious tool in any successful democracy.  NO ONE has a right to know who I voted for.  This helps to keep the tyrants and dictators out.

      Free to read any book and make your own judgement on what you read.   You will need to educate your self on the background and the reasoning behind who ever wrote the book, if you want to arrive at what it really means.

      I honour all the above and try to be consistent in my application of allowing freedom, because I want to claim such freedoms myself and must allow others the same choice.

      The major problem I find with statements like that which prompts this discussion board, is with the narrow, adamant, stubborn mindset that takes on board one particular point of view, says that view is the only one which has credibility and then sets about promoting that narrow view to vulnerable minds. 

      Brenda and Janesix, and others like them, are every bit entitled to hold their respective views regarding god, salvation, Jesus, forgiveness, etc.  The problem I find is when they arrive at an understanding that fits with their indoctrination;  then they say "this is it, don't need to search or explore the world of possibilities any further," and close the door on any further knowledge.  To even contemplate worshiping such a constricted god is out of the question for me.  Yet their message is proselytized to others, even children, as being the moral code worth considering. 

      This is why I cannot turn away when the very nature of Yoga and Meditation is questioned by ignorant people.

    2. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Totally agree.  Each person has to follow his/her own path in life and spiritual evolution.  To tell another person what to BE and BELIEF is totally disrespectful to  him/her and is infringing upon the former's right to his/her unique and particular spiritual path.   It is also SELFISH of a person to dictate spiritually and/or ethically what another person should be because the former believes it to be.   

      Many people believe that THEIR particular religious and/or ethical path to be THE ONLY legitimate one.  They routinely discount other people's spiritual and/or ethic paths because of their particular religious view.  They strongly portend that others who elect not to believe as they do are "in extreme error" and "need to change their ways before it's 'too late'".   People have the right to THEIR OWN spiritual and/or ethical perspectives.  Besides, people who consistently proseytize others have some deep, deep issues.  If others are happy with their particular spiritual or life path, DON'T be so SELFISH and IMMATURE to believe that it is ALL ABOUT YOUR SPIRITUAL PATH  to the EXCLUSION of others.  In other words, your particular spiritual path is NOT THE BE AND END ALL. 
      http://s4.hubimg.com/u/8317719_f248.jpg

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        Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

  19. HermeticDestiny profile image61
    HermeticDestinyposted 3 years ago

    I really couldn't have said it better myself. I think we as humans need to find ways to come together not further separate ourselves from one another.  Ignorance and judgments towards others shows your mentality. Then we wonder why  we're living in chaotic destructive psychopathic society.   Change starts with the "man in the mirror".

    1. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-couldn't have agreed with you more.  This is an excellent final note to hopefully END this thread!
      http://s4.hubimg.com/u/8318435.png

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        But I see you had fun bringing this thread up continuously while I was on my seven day ban...I mean vacation.

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      Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I totally agree. We cannot change the world until we change the way we see the world. We cannot change the way we see the world until we change the way we see ourselves

      1. jonnycomelately profile image85
        jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I also agree. So much negativity, I must  always come back to my presumtion there must be some kind of ordered and intelligent design (-er) that gives rise to this awesome world. Call this entity God if you like. He/She/It could not in any way be worried about me, a tiny speck in this infinite universe, falling in love with another man; or indulging in that beautiful communication called Yoga.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Interesting. What does yoga communicate?

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Union with God... In Jonny's case, union with the the essence of Life.
            Right, Jonny?

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              How is that communication?

            2. jonnycomelately profile image85
              jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks Kathryn, yes, a good point.   I have just explained to Deepes in another Thread my understanding of "essence."

          2. jonnycomelately profile image85
            jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            With the center of your Being.  Your  pure Self.   From this place (infinite, I.e. undefineable) you may view the world and your purpose within it without distortion.  It is totally unselfish - it does not need to be, because from there it  is possible to know the One-ness of all.  It is The "I AM," of which Jesus spoke, so you see it is not anti-Christian.
            If you have a question about anything I have said it is not necessary for us to argue.  If you choose to do so, try meditation for yourself.  Find a good and caring teacher to guide you.  If some one wants payment for this service, just say no thanks and walk away.  They are wanting you to purchase your own soul.
            Through meditating you may find all the answers as they appertain to you specifc needs as they presnt to you at this moment in time.  Every moment is pure and precious.

  20. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 3 years ago

    I was wondering how many of you do kechari? it sounds kind of uncomfortable to me. Do you cut your tongue to do it? I was just wondering,as so many of you are into the gentle excersize that is yoga. And how in the hell do you fit your tongue UP into your nasal passsage? Sounds painful to me. And maybe even impossible?

    How many of you are into tantra? Just curious. Do you go to tantra classes?

 
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