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Religious people are less intelligent than atheists!

  1. Mark Knowles profile image59
    Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago
    1. Silverspeeder profile image61
      Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That's nice for them..........................

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The Bible speaks on Gnostics.
      But Im sure this report is accurate. I can barely tie my own shoes. I have given them up entirely and moved to flip-flops to avoid the tears.

      1. Silverspeeder profile image61
        Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        That seems the intelligent thing to do Beth37, maybe you should have gone barefoot to prove their point.

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I did... for years, but I couldn't figure out how to not get pregnant at the same time. I found the flip flops helped me slow down the reproduction process... I mean... the baby makin'.

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            Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I thought a kitchen fit in somewhere too. Or was that ketchup?

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Sure, sure. I was in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant for more years than not.
              But that doesn't mean I didn't read. I went thru 2 comic books a week just to keep my reading skills up and I'd always have an O magazine on the coffee table for those times I really wanted to challenge myself.

              I always kept my checkbook balanced too. Even if I ran out of fingers and toes to count on, there were always 2 or 3 kids nearby.

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                Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                That works too

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      Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thys cuddint bee morr rite.  Eye kan bearly walc an choo gum at duh sayme thyme

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        That's the first thing you ever said that makes sense to me. wink

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          Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I always make sense sometimes ...lol

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      Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I'm interested in how they dealt with gifted children and adults who do embrace a faith and a means of religious expression.  I'm by no means unintelligent, even as far as the numbers are concerned. 

      I'd be interested to see the actual study results. 

      I wonder if the more concrete thinkers ... Let me touch it, see it, etc, are considered less intelligent than those who are somewhat more intuitive.  ??

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        It was a substantial amount of research projects. Very varied as far as I could tell. What does "Gifted" mean?

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          Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Well, the article mentioned gifted children at an IQ of somewhere around 135 or above. 

          And the sensing v. intuitive thinkers - most IQ tests tend to put intuitive thinkers higher up the ladder.  I've got a fairly high IQ but I test as a sensing thinker...which just points to how a person's brain interprets information more than anything else.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Yes - non believers I think.

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              Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Well, not to be contrary, but given the same test, would it make a difference if the believer scored the same as the unbelievers?  It would seem then that they are equally intelligent?

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                Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Good point, Mo. Now of course this would also raise the question of objectivity. Given the nature of the tests and the people administering the tests it could be easy to question the overall objectivity of the tests because the studies are contingent on a bunch of different factors such as the environment of the test subjects, the socioeconomic  class, etc.. When we take these factors into consideration it could be just as easy to accuse one of confirmation bias (Yes, this works both ways). Kinda gives new meaning to the term "controlled environment". How controlled is it and what is the nature of the control.

    5. bBerean profile image60
      bBereanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      This is why your religion causes so many conflicts.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Yes. I can see why reality would bother you so much. Does god hate facts? lolol

    6. HattieMattieMae profile image70
      HattieMattieMaeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      lmao... i don't think religion has anything to do with intelligence. lol

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      Lybrahposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Let's NOT GO THERE with that statement.

      1. gmwilliams profile image86
        gmwilliamsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        WENT there unfortunately!

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      Lybrahposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      If someone opened up a forum post saying something stupid like "Atheists are Less Intelligent than Christians", that person would be booted off Hubpages and banned.  But it's okay for someone to do an open attack on believers?  I find this insulting and the double standard annoys me.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Are you on HP staff, or an owner? 

        No?  Then why would you ever make such a statement, a statement that you have zero idea is true and that you cannot possibly support with evidence.  Faith?

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          Lybrahposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, I can tell you right now that is exactly what would happen.  I've read some real insulting words by atheists and NOTHING happens to them, yet a Christian says something wrong and they are booted off the forums for a couple of days.  That is some real BULLS%$^*!

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            Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            lol...

          2. JMcFarland profile image93
            JMcFarlandposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Hmmmm.... This thread is not a personal attack against anyone.   Christianity,  as a religion,  cannot be offended.   This thread differs greatly from, I don't know,  going off the deep end and insulting/condemning someone personally because of their sexual orientation,  as you should remember from recent experience on another thread.

          3. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            I know you could say that - you already did.  But I said you can't back it up with facts.  Or can you?

            Names and dates of those booted for giving a link to a study saying atheists were less intelligent than Christians?

            What?  Can't give any?  Kind of what I said, isn't it?

      2. JMcFarland profile image93
        JMcFarlandposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Do you know how many Christian threads out there that ridicule or mock atheists?  Of course, you probably don't see anything wrong with those.  Yes,  the "double standard" is just so,  so wrong.   Please recognize that last sentance as sarcastic.   It was.

        1. gmwilliams profile image86
          gmwilliamsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!

  2. Mark Knowles profile image59
    Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago

    Interesting. Thanks all for proving the point.

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You are welcome. smile

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      Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No problem! Always happy to confirm a bias

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry if reality seems biased to you. Figgered it wood. Didn't bother reading it again huh? Like you didn't bother reading the other posts. LAWL That any proof and facts offered are BIAS. No wonder your religious beliefs cause so much conflict.

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Figgered it wood?

          Thank you for writing that sentence in such a way that even I could understand.
          Im not very smart, but Im a good cook and I like... other things. Do I get credit for that or is my value based solely on my IQ?

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Your value has nothing to do with your IQ. It simply means you will believe nonsense because you are not intelligent enough not to. You are still n good advertisement fer Jeebus. Jeebus like em dum. So I understand. wink

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Mark, you have a 90 hubber score... that means you're intelligent and what you have to say really matters.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Um - no. lol

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          Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I actually read the whole article and found it quite interesting. My initial response was intentionally humorous as to not seem to take offense to it. I can understand how it correlates, but though it speaks to general differences it really doesn't mean all atheists are more intelligent than all theists. But of course I also understand why you would post the article wink. You knew it would strike a chord in some.and you accuse others of causing conflict

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            No - just generally. Generally - atheists are more intelligent than believers. I didn't write it - just shared it. lol

            As you asked me to.

            1. bBerean profile image60
              bBereanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Maybe instead of hub scores, our Avatars should show our IQs.  Hubpages would have to find a good way of validating tests, but wouldn't that be interesting?  (yes, I know I set myself up for a cheap shot speculating that my hub score could already be related to my IQ).

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Id probably do better with my EQ showing... though Ive never had my IQ tested. Who knows... I could be as dumb as Mark thinks I am.

                1. bBerean profile image60
                  bBereanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I genuinely think the self appointed "brights" would be surprised, or at least exposed for what they really are.

                2. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Or perhaps you are as dumb as you said you were?

                3. Silverspeeder profile image61
                  Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Intelligent people don't get sarcasm Beth.......

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Is that the issue? Sarcasm is pretty much my first language. I wondered why Stephen Hawking was just staring blankly at me the other day.

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              Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I asked you to? I don't remember asking that. Please refresh my memory as to when I asked

              1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I thought you were interested in learning things? Not so?

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                  Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Always interested in seeing and learning things. I was under the impression that atheists want to question everything.. I question this study and everything that factors into this study and everything considered in this study, yet you say I'm rejecting this because of my beliefs.. The funny thing is that I would also question this same study if it was speaking to Christians being  more intelligent than atheists because most studies done in a controlled environment can be manipulated to suit the biases of the person or persons conducting the experiment.. Look at your article. There is nothing mentioned about the actual religious beliefs (or lack thereof) of any of the people conducting the study.. I would question this less if it was an even panel (qeual number of theists and non theists) or if there were more theists than atheists that came up with this same conclusion. Now of course I would still question other variables in this study as well such as where the people questioned and studied came from because culture can also play a part of the determination of what is or is not intelligence. Also (as DPH mentioned), whether the nature of the tests themselves because the psychological aptitudes of people are vastly different as well (a mathmetician versus an artist). there are a lot of variables to consider when conducting these types of tests and as such some of the tests are done in a biased manner. This encompasses a lot of areas, whether it is theist vs atheist, rich vs poor, black vs white, etc.

                  So realistically, there is only so much weight that tests such as this can carry in any scenario unless there is certain mutually agreed upon criteria is met.

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                    Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I said no such thing.


                    This was 60+ studies undertaken over several years using IQs as the basis for "intelligence." You don't think measuring IQ is a valid way of determining intelligence?

                    We can draw a simple conclusion. Higher IQ = less religious. If you choose to think that high IQs do not denote intelligence fair enough, but there was some reasonable explanations as to why higher intelligence as measured by IQs would lead to less religiosity.

                    I haven't seen the actual data myself but if you want to review it - you can do so here:

                    http://psr.sagepub.com/content/early/20 … abstract-1

                    Does it bother you? I mean - this religion you subscribe to does extremely well amongst agricultural peasants. That is who it was written for in the first place. wink

                    I must admit I would be interested to see if painters, artists and musicians etc are more or less religious than the general population.

    3. Silverspeeder profile image61
      Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Hold on a minute................................


      Was it stupid people who invented the atomic bomb?


      It seems intelligent people are as stupid as stupid people.


      Why would anyone want to conduct such a survey or study anyway?


      Oh I know........................................................


      To show how intelligent they are!

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I can see why that would bother you.

        Oh well....

        1. Silverspeeder profile image61
          Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I stopped worrying about studies and surveys when I realised the gapping holes in them,



          "WHEN I was young I found out that the big toe always ends up making a hole in a sock," Einstein once recalled. "So I stopped wearing socks."

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            lol. I love simple logic... but then Ive only got half a brain.

          2. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Right. Gotcha. I can see why you would not be interested in any actual facts. lololo

            1. Silverspeeder profile image61
              Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              The fact that an intellectual calls me stupid doesn't worry me one iota, I've seen what intelligent people are capable of.

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Hey, you should check out this article I found in Cosmo.

              people_named#mark*knowles?are_biter-in,real*life.com

              1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Ah - lying. I thought your God burned you in hell for that? Guess you are not intelligent enough to understand that huh? sad

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  lol. You're a trip. What's your real name? Are you honest at all times?

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                    Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    This is my real name. Yes - I am honest at all times - except where it might be less painful to tell a white lie.

                    Is that OK with you Ms. 37?

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    Emile Rposted 3 years ago

    People who make ridiculous claims and start foolish threads should be given some leeway since they probably aren't as intelligent as they think. smile

  4. Disappearinghead profile image89
    Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago

    The issue is how is the intelligence being measured and how are they defining it? The trouble with IQ tests is that they don't measure the full breadth of human sentience and they have cultural biases too.

    Now if you are going to define intelligence by a measure of problem solving skills only, then you are going to only appeal to those who have a bias that way, and you will ignore those who are creative, those that produce beautiful works of art or music. These creative people accomplish these things without requiring to work through a logical thought process, or solving some esoteric problem test. Perhaps creative types are more intelligent because their brains bypass the logic biased thought process and produce beautiful things by instinct and emotion.

    As for claiming success in life as a measure of intelligence, what is used to define success? Is it the narrow interpretation loved by corporate high fliers, the financial industries or the phd scientists? There are millions of very intelligent people in the care and social services, looking after the needs of the unfortunate, but being crap paid they are not credited as being successful.

    I would not be surprised that those of a scientific, engineering or mathematical bent would be less inclined to be religious as the entire focus of their work is on evidence, objective, testable and repeatable. So naturally they would be inclined to apply these processes to religion and we all know from forumland that the existence of God is not provable. Does this mean they are more intelligent? It ain't necessarily so.

    Take the arts or the care and social studies professional who's wired up with emotional intelligence, who excel in social skills, sensing feelings, acting on instinct and gut feelings, those subconscious thought processes. In a social setting they'd run rings around the geeky emotional retards with beards and obsession with quantum physics or macro economics. Perhaps their understanding of religion is somewhat different to those who love flawed IQ tests. Less intelligent if they believe in God? It ain't necessarily so.

    Perhaps you shouldn't believe everything you read Mark without question, it makes you look like an unintelligent religionist. Oh and your spelling leaves a lot to be desired too.

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I agree... at least I would if I could understand all them big words. We need more pictures on the forum so the religious folk have something to look at while all y'all are busy reading all them words.

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      Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You explained this so much better than I could.. +1.

    3. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Admittedly my typing skills are poor. Odd that you think I believed it - I just shared it. I think it is fantastic that you waded through all 63 studies. Well done. Flawed huh? Are you now an expert on such things? Or - maybe, just maybe - there is something to this study. wink Still - better to reject it as flawed and go back to believing stuff with absolutely no evidence at all.

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        Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this



        It isn't so much about rejecting studies like this as it is finding out everything that was considered in going into each of these tests.

  5. chefsref profile image91
    chefsrefposted 3 years ago

    When I was born, we went to a Methodist church, later my mother converted back to Catholicism so I converted too (At 6 years of age)
    Later still I became mostly agnostic.
    So, does that make me twice as unintelligent as someone with only one religion to their name? Or does my current agnosticism somehow immunize me?
    Studies also show that Fox News viewers are less informed than people who don't watch Fox. I wonder if this means that Foxer's are also more religious.
    In the end, no amount of studies will convince anyone to become less religious or more intelligent, after all, they have faith which tells them to believe the unprovable.
    Now, my invisible friend that lives in the sky has told me to shut up

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I would expect that foxers (being stupid enough to watch that) would also be more religious. Of course no actual facts will convince people to be less religious. That is the point. wink

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        Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this



        This does not apply to all believers.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I would beg to differ. The facts do not support a creator god. Sorry. wink

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            Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Current facts  do not support but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.  At the same time, there is more to it that I have to say but I will address it later

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It just means you were a very stupid child, but you are a genius now. smile

      I just saw a study today about Fox news compared to CNN.

      http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall … hannel-fox

      Please keep in mind, I do not watch Fox news, Im not fond of bias in the media on any side... I just thought since you mentioned it, I'd post the article.

  6. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8295389.png
    Boy, oh boy, oh boy, the drama continues yet again. Will it EVER end. There are religious and atheistic people who are highly intelligent, some have doctorate and other advanced degrees.  Conversely, there are religious and atheistic people who are NOT so intelligent. 

    There are religious people who routinely critique and analyze their respective religion while there are atheists who parrot their beliefs and accept it blindly! No one group has a monopoly as to who is more intelligent.  Any more questions? Enough said regarding the matter at hand.

    1. janesix profile image59
      janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      +1

  7. wilderness profile image96
    wildernessposted 3 years ago

    Perhaps we should look to the third group - the agnostics - for real intelligence.  They are the only ones smart enough and honest enough to say "I don't know".  The only truthful answer anyone can give.

    lol

  8. bettybarnesb profile image59
    bettybarnesbposted 3 years ago

    Atheists are people who believe God exist or they would not have a reason to consistently complain. He must exist to them in order to consistently complain that He isn't real. How can you hate whom you say isn't real? Atheists are confused souls seeking for answers the wrong way.

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      Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Good luck getting this one to fly. Atheists do not hate God. They dislike being beaten over the head with things that cannot be sufficiently proven to their satisfaction.

      1. bettybarnesb profile image59
        bettybarnesbposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You are beaten down, as you put it because of the "t-shirt" you wear advertising that you don't believe in God! But you must believe in Him in order to dislike Him. Why advertise consistently that you don't believe? I want you to look up in the dictionary the term "atheist" then you may change your views in the response you wrote to me.

        1. JMcFarland profile image93
          JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You don't know any atheists, do you?

          apparently, you don't know Christians either, since deepes is one.

          You think that atheists deserve to be "beaten down" because they wear atheist shirts and you disagree with them?  Really?  Do you beat down people who wear shirts you don't like?  For every atheist or secularist shirt out there, there are a thousand religious ones.  What about those?  Or do you not see a problem with those because they happen too align with your beliefs?

          Atheism means a lack in belief in a god.  I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept for you too grasp.  Do you have to dislike Bigfoot in order to not believe that he exists?  I do not dislike god.  I dislike his supposed book.  I dislike a lot of the deplorable morality that followers of his book exhibit.  I dislike the actions and atrocities that belief in that book has caused.  But I feel no differently about your god than I do about the tooth fairy, zeus or aliens.  I dislike the way the Christian right have steamrolled a secular country and rewritten history.  I dislike three fact that they tryto force through laws based in their beliefs that apply to those who don't share them, and I dislike the blatant arrogance and ignorance that a lot of Christians display regularly.

          Or are you saying that atheists should not have the right to the freedom of speech that you so enjoy to slander us?

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          Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I was speaking based on conversations that I have had with atheists. Sorry you misunderstood my comment as me being atheist. I am a believer in God. I was actually trying to advise you that your argument wasn't going to go far with the atheists. Sooo many others have tried and it didn't work. But since you want to to on a tirade against someone before  you understand who they are and what they believe, I will gladly leave you to it. Good luck (you'll need it)

        3. Zelkiiro profile image85
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          That's funny. I didn't know I had to believe that Emperor Palpatine was real before I could hate him...

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        Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Judging from posts in this forum, I would think that applies all the way around.  Atheists can't prove their points. Theists can't prove their points. Round and round they go. Bulls in china shops when it comes to opinions they don't understand, or appreciate.

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          Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Good point Emile

  9. lone77star profile image90
    lone77starposted 3 years ago

    Shoot the messenger? Naw, Mark. We love ya.

    Intelligence has nothing to do with religion. My religious/spiritual youngest brother has an IQ far above 200. Of the 4 Martin boys, I have the lowest IQ at 139 (borderline genius, by some estimates).

    I've studied electronic engineering and excelled at it in the 70s. I have a computer science degree, summa cum laude. I've been a Hollywood artist with screen credit. I'm a published author ("Touch the Stars: Emergence," Tor Books, New York), which nearly earned out its advance (not a best seller, but hey, it was my first). And I'm a first-place award-winning essayist ("Outsiderness in the Scientific Community," Krupnick Award, LA), and first-place award-winning short story writer ("Toady," Dutton Books Award, LA).

    There are a lot of dumb folk who lap up religious dogma as if it were Truth, and a lot of atheists who do the same by just knowing that religion is the source of all evil. Both camps are full of bias and dogma -- fixed ideas and egotistical worldviews.

    A more unbiased view of reality would see that the source of all problems is ego. Ego is selfishness. Ego is separateness -- me versus you.

    Humility is the antidote to ego. Love is the cure.

    Love you, Mark. Keep it interesting.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No doubt there are exceptions that prove the rule - yes. That is why the study was so comprehensive - because it is not possible to draw any conclusions from a few people with high IQs who are prepared to reject reason and logic to accept religious belief.

      Religion - is by it's very nature divisive and separatist. As you have told us many, many times - you see things and understand things far, far better than those of us who rely on reality. Your egotistical fantasy that you are superior, while telling us you have let go of your ego is always entertaining. wink

      Still - clearly there is a correlation between religion and intelligence (as measured by IQ tests). You simply not bothering to read the study and rejecting what it proved is a good example of how damaging religious belief can be in our society. Despite the fact that you appear to be well educated, you immediately rejected the findings of this study in order to defend your irrational beliefs. In days gone by, I would be stood in front of an Inquisitor about now. Thank goodness for progress huh? big_smile

  10. enuke profile image61
    enukeposted 3 years ago

    what is the means of intelligence means, do not say for seeing some content feel the experience then say the things

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      Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Uh........huh?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Dawkins stated he is deeply religious, is that an intelligent thing to say?

  11. janesix profile image59
    janesixposted 2 years ago

    Hey, Mark, so what?


    It might be true, but I doubt that there is a huge difference in intelligence between religious people and atheists. Not enough to matter.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Intelligent is difficult thing to measure because of the million things that make up a soul. I would agree that no-believers would have an higher IQ not necessarily a higher EQ

 
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