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   Ericdierkerposted 10 years ago

   How can a person/writer here appear so angry and at least claim they are not? I think we all know angry. I think we can all see it in another. I think we all know at least one writer who acts angry in these forums, especially ones dealing with Christianity and Atheism. I have showed this writing to others and have seen constant others here agree that it is angry writing.
   How does one help a person in such anger and denial?

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      MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not sure that other people agreeing on your assessment of whether someone is angry or not constitutes proof that the writer is angry. I would think they would know that better than others.
      
      I've been accused of being angry on here, but on very VERY few occasions (I can think of one time) have I actually been angry.
      
      I'm blunt and opinionated... and I don't really care if I come off as rude or offensive. That's not anger though, that's just an inborn inability to suffer fools, gladly or not.

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         Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I think perhaps you are not angry. Bluntness with civility is usually either no anger or well checked anger. Both are good.
         Not for yourself but go to an anger management class. You will learn in short order that wife beaters and brawlers deny anger when confronted. The denial makes practicing alcoholics look meager in lack of awareness.
         Your ability to think of your self as right and others as fools, is impressive. I imagine if you call people fools that might seem like anger to others. I suppose someone can act angry and not be angry -- but what would be the point in that? Acting angry can be somewhat proven.

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            A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            There is your problem, Eric, you equate us with wife beaters, brawlers and alcoholics in denial. It is hilarious. Your imagination is running amok.

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               Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Who is "us" ATM? You got a mouse in your pocket? hihihihi
               I had no intention of referring to you or your "us". Just having some fun here like you. LOL. If the shoe fits wear it. It is good to laugh like your famous emoticons.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Surely, you refer to "us" non-believers. I have seen you toss out the 'anger' card to more than one person here.

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                     Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     No you would be projecting. You are not a part of any "us" I know of. If you are who are they by name?

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                        A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Fair enough, I'll be sure to point out any discrepancies on your part when they occur, and refer to this thread at that time. Okay?

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            MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Not suffering fools gladly doesn't have anything to do with right or wrong, it's not their opinion... it's the way they are expressing it Well usually.
            
            I think everyone "acts angry" in a different way, so basically someone might indeed not be angry... that doesn't mean they aren't an asshat... it just means they are a non-angry one.

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               Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Love this MelissaBarrett well spoken -- I just love that term "asshat" I cannot read it or say it with out smiling.
               I like you point. And it shall help guide me.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Of course, in light of offering anything of value to say, Melissa prefers to call other people names. I'm not at all surprised you would agree with that and use it extensively when words also fail you, too.

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         A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Agreed.

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      A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      This is the anger and denial you and your believers friends imagine --->
      
      Laughing hysterically at your nonsense.

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         Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Oh goodness,,, ATM never you. You enjoy what you do. Hmmm, never really gave it much thought. Do angry people enjoy being angry? But then they would be happy. Perhaps that is a definition of a bully. But certainly not you ATM.

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            A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Perhaps, they do, I have no idea.
            
            
            
            Are you now going to claim you're being bullied, Eric? You? Bullied? The guy that spends most of his time going round evangelizing Jeebus?
            
            Funny, another evangelist showed up on my doorstep the other day telling me how wonderful life can be having a relationship with God. I asked him if he could show me his god so that I could decide whether or not to have such a relationship. He simply turned and walked away saying that he didn't want to argue with me.
            
            Was I having an argument, Eric? Or, did I simply ask him a relevant question? Maybe, I was being a bully, Eric?

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               Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               I think you can read ATM.  "" But certainly not you ATM.""

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years ago

   "How does one help a person in such anger and denial." I know for a fact you can't. You can help someone who wants help (but, even here you need to have discernment... they might not really want your help at all,) but you can't help those who don't want it.
   If they come to you for help, you might feel motivated or inspired to help them.
   - attempting to help the wrong people can be attributed to an excess of idealism.
   TWISI

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Kathryn, wouldn't that be like abandonment? I am not saying you are wrong. And in fact clearly you are right. And discernment is the key.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, on a level, it is abandonment. Instead, we can pray from afar.
         For instance, the government needs our prayers to harmonize and come to some conclusion.
         
         (If the atheists respond negatively to this, just ignore it...
         and pray away...who knows, we just might be part of the miracle when the government does finally comes to its senses!!)

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            Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Yes maybe tough love or a cessation of enabling would have been a better more PC term ;-)

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               

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            A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            In other words, do nothing and deploy wishful thinking.
            
            
            
            Or, the Republican Tea Party will see they are destroying the country because of the very same wishful thinking you wish to deploy.
            
            But, not likely.

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   awareposted 10 years ago

   Eric your angry

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      you're = you + are

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Ah yes sometimes I get angry. Not ashamed to admit it. I hope you can tell when I am angry and then take notice and ask if you do not understand why.
      As I do not understand why you wrote that even with the (sic). I suppose if you write just three words getting 2 right is good. hihihihi. I hope you can laugh at that as I can.

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   hfortinberryposted 10 years ago

   This is a great example of interference, or perhaps casting one's pearls before swine.  Those who have ears to hear will hear and those without ears to hear will not.  It is simple.  Here is a great opportunity to "turn the other cheek."  One thing I have learned is that spirits look for bodies to occupy; they look for blood and bodily fluid in which electrolytes flow.  Traveling in this fluid, they occupy the body, whether man or swine.  Remember the fruit of the (Holy) Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness and faithfulness, which means that anything that has the opposite effect is governed by an (Unholy) spirit.  Don't get rattled by the mosquitoes that will buzz in your ear; it's really not worth losing your peace over.  In terms of interference, we all emit waves which when they come into contact with other waves interfere with one another.  These interferences then can take the form of constructive or destructive interference, which will amplify the chaotic effects, will calm and settle them, or will silence or deaden any resultant amplitude.  Don't lose your peace, and don't lose your joy!  Keep these at all costs and you will overcome.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      hmmmm... this seems almost scientific! I also believe we can broadcast harmonious and peaceful type wave leangths to combat or settle down  inharmonious / chaotic ones.

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         A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry Kathryn, there is absolutely nothing scientific about that post, it is all complete gibberish ladled amply with delusion and bigotry.

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   hfortinberryposted 10 years ago

   Kathryn, we are literally broadcasting who we are, and the spirits that occupy us at any given moment, all the time.  Our interactions with others are a result of the electromagnetic waves that are issued forth and collide with others.  I have written a book, "Logics of the Kingdom", which will be published in the coming months.  Everything about the kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven is able to be validated by scientific evidence.  The book explains how most every scientific phenomenon can be seen as expressing some key principle spoken of in the Bible, and reveals the Fifth force that accompanies the four known forces: Electromagnetism; Gravity, the Weak Force, and the Strong Force.  Have a great night!

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Thank You!

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      Paragliderposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I find this way of talking more than a little worrying. If you believe that we emit radiation of sorts, that's your prerogative, but it is unwise to hijack terms that have clearly defined (and measurable) scientific properties. We do emit sound waves (when we speak), but not electromagnetic waves*. We see each other by reflected electromagnetic waves (from sunlight or artificial light) but that's as far as it goes.
      
      *except minuscule amounts of extremely low frequency infra-red with a colour temperature of around 310K. This is simple 'black body radiation' and contains no additional information about us.

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         Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Just an innocent question -- Is it possible we just can not read the minuscule amount yet - like what may be beyond the "god particle" ? Seriously. I personally am uncomfortable speaking of such things in scientific terms but am interested.

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            Paragliderposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            We can read it perfectly well, but only with instrumentation, not with any of our direct senses - have you seen specialised night-vision camera footage? They use far-infra red image sensors to 'see' in the dark, but of course the image that they display is shown to us on a normal video monitor.

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      A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I can't wait to read the scathing reviews of that one.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years ago

   Intutuion is apparently more finely tuned than any man-made instrument. And I don't think Ms. berry will return, unfortunately.

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      Paragliderposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You can't intuit the presence of invisible radiation. Fortunately, you can measure for it and take the necessary precautions. Same goes for the flu virus.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         OH REALLY?   Then why don't we all have Geiger counters so we can measure how much radiation is here all around us, in the ocean and in our milk and and food??? Do they have them in Japan? What is going on over there as far as radiation? Please hand out the Geiger counters! No one is taking any precautions!  So, lets just forget about God for a while and focus on detecting RADIATION! 
         What time is in over there in Saudi Arabia (?), Paraglider? it is 10 AM here is So. Cal. I presume its past yer bedtime there.

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            Paragliderposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I said we can, which is true. That we don't do everything we can, mostly comes down to politics and sometimes corruption.
            
            It is 9 pm here (in Qatar, not Saudi, but the time zone is the same) so I'm good for an hour or two yet

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            A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Wow, did you even read what was written in that post or did you just go off an a rant for some other reason?

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      A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      And, you were compelled to post that obvious fabrication, why?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years ago

   PS - what is wrong with anger. It is a human emotion usually reserved for some noble reason. In ATM's case it is to confront what he sees as hate and war mongering. In Eric's case it is for the right to spread peace and happiness without being thwarted. Right now I am angry that we might be saturated in radiation and don't even know it. In paraglider's case, it is because people are still so damn superstitious!
   Right?
   Yay for anger! I say.

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      Paragliderposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Not really. I'm not remotely angry about that. More saddened, really, since it is holding us back from our full potential.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         ...sad because we are not reaching it. Well, I really don't think the belief in God prevents that. But, like every one else I am tired of arguing about it.
         So, I would say to you, paraglider, don't worry about humanity. Don't use the *our * word and don't be sad.  Just don't bother! Same for us who are angry. Don't try to fight what you can't.
         Don't worry, be happy. Once we are gone we won't remember any of this any way.

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            Paragliderposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Don't get me wrong - I spent most of today researching technical solutions for my current project, interspersed with amenable food and coffee breaks. Had an evening meal of fried Chinese dumplings and bean-sprouts, and am now enjoying a glass (or two) of Chilean Cabernet Sauvignon while playing around on HP forums. Before bed, I'll more than likely play the guitar for half an hour or so. Or maybe read something on the Kindle.
            
            So, 'saddened' is a figure of speech. I'm personally quite contented. But I'd be very contented if more of the world were organised to reduce inequality, such that more people could enjoy a pleasant life.

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      A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Here, on these forums, it is used as a very lame excuse for believers who have nothing to say.
      
      
      
      None of which are present here.
      
      
      
      Would that be when I'm rolling around on the floor laughing hysterically at your posts?
      
      
      
      Eric is not spreading peach and happiness, he is evangelizing and causing conflict.
      
      
      
      Perhaps, you should take some anger management classes for your anger and some classes in general for your superstitions.

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   awareposted 10 years ago

   Eric ,Eye wrote what Eye wrote. two point a finger at the angry person Eye sea. Eye understand fully that your answer to anger is anger. Well so is mine.    You are a man in a glass house throwing stones.You are the kettle calling the other kettle black.You are the  I four an I that's leaving everyone blind .You say your not ashamed .Well maybe you should be. And Eric ? I'm not laughing . I do not find this in the least bit amusing. I find it to be ugly and distasteful . Two words Ive  deemed you to be.

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Very interesting and thank you for sharing aware. Why do you attack me personally? Calling someone ugly is a little peculiar. And why do you read what you find distasteful?
      And why does someone write so amusingly and yet seem so upset? Or maybe calling some one names is not a sign of being upset?

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      Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Uh... Im sorry, this phrase is in the "non-use" category.

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   hfortinberryposted 10 years ago

   Aware, you wrote: Hello. My name is Raymond .What I am aware of most  are my shortcomings. But are you aware that you wear your heart on your sleeve?  The light that we emit presents itself as either reflective light like the white light of love, or as absorbing light, like the darkness of a black hole, whose event horizon sucks up all the substance as well as the electromagnetic radiation that enters and even approaches it.  Raymond, become aware that others' light, if it is not accepted by you, simply signifies this: That the dark light within feels uncomfortable being exposed by their light light.  If this was not so, you would feel simply understood by the reflection, which would "feel" like you were understood for what and who you really are.  Now, if these principles seem obscure or even to be held in derision, don't worry, you will not be alone.  You have two others on this hub who will gladly join you, pointing to the absurdity of such claims.  I have nothing to say other than the Lord Jesus Christ loves you and died for your sins and is willing to extend to you His love.  If you don't want it, that's your business, as it says in the Bible:  "Have you faith? Have it to yourself before God; happy is he who doesn't condemn himself in that which he allows.?  And that logically extends to the statement that "if you don't have faith, have it to yourself without God; for happy is he that doesn't condemn himself in that which he allows."  It's your choice, and I have zero interest in trying to force on any one life when they have already chosen death.  Have a content night.

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      A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Funny how those who try to shove their beliefs down our throats will offer the disclaimer they are not shoving their beliefs down our throats.

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         Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         When you come to a forum like this you must have decided you want to eat that which is served. So it must be you doing the shoving down your own throat. Certainly no one shoved this forum down your throat.

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