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Collapsing the Barriers

  1. jonnycomelately profile image86
    jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago

    Folks, I have just been sent a URL that cuts right across any argument about whether there is a "God" or not, this little video speaks of human need and human response in love.  PLEASE watch it right through.

    https://www.upworthy.com/youll-be-amaze … ers?c=upw1

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      Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Okay.....so.....it was hard for me to watch that video because my own Mom had Alzheimers.......
      But I watched it.     So sad.   But so good to see the connection made there!   There were some good times similar to that with my Mom too!  smile
      So, I must ask exactly what you mean by it "cuts right across the argument about whether there's a God or not".......?

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        jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Brenda.

        I was meaning that, although I don't accept the christianity and teachings, I can still fully accept and allow for that lady's needs, her feelings, her background, which are obviously rooted in her christian faith.  These things mean a lot to her at this time, they connect with her deeper self, they are also part of the very real "therapy" being offered to her. 

        Thus I feel there are times when we, as people with an atheist understanding, need to allow the opposite understanding, without question.  To just, simply allow, let the pure love come through however it presents.  To me that is more important than anything else, and it "cuts right across..."

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks Jonny, that was hard for me to watch as my Father in-law is going down the same path, he at the stage when he can't remember his grand kids names. Painful. But he makes his way to church every day and I wouldn't take that away from him.

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      Jeramiposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Jonny  ...      Thank you ....   I needed this.



      Beth37  .... With all due respect ...  It only asked if you thought ......a person should be able to make their own decisions concerning their own life?             Yes or no.     i don't support abortion .....  but  I do support any person TO Have the ability to make their own choices and then live with the consequences regardless of the issues involved. 
           I do know that I don't want to have to live with the consequences of someone else's decisions concerning me,  ... especially if I don't agree with them.
           I do have faith that God will be able to sort it all out, without my interference.
           
           Anyway, that is a would different issue.   The sentiments of OP and link was something else entirely.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        It asked me if I thought a woman should be allowed to make her own decisions concerning reproduction, which I believe, obviously, affects more than just her, it affects the baby and every one who might love the baby. The second time it did not ask me that. I was able to watch the video and enjoyed it very much.

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          Jeramiposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          i must have seen what you later saw.   And i din't mean any disrespect in my post.
          The abortion issue is however off topic ....   And the link showed a beautiful moment in a a persons life.

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            It was a beautiful video and I was able to watch it.

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              Jeramiposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              What is important was seen at its most basic level don't ya think?

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Hmmm... not sure... what I think was most important was that the lady lost inside herself was brought out of the cage of her own mind by a kind and loving soul that was willing to reach out to her in ways she remembered from her youth. Beautiful.

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                  Jeramiposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I saw so many things simultaneously that I really don't know how to adequately express one  ....
                  It also said a lot about the kind lady reaching out.   Love at the basic level (I think)

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Compassion. Empathy. Yes, it's basic love.

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                    jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Thank you. That's it in a nutshell!

                    I am in awe of the discussion here.  Brenda was in touch with her Mom.  Rad Man was in touch with his Father in Law..... Beth was in touch with Rad Man.... Others were in touch with themselves, as the argument got a little heated....

                    It's this willingness to go in there, stand your ground yet look inside of our selves, explore new information, new ways of viewing opinions, new understandings, going through with the argument, that can bring about personal change. 

                    I don't go that way.  I tend to be middle-ground, not seeking confrontation.  A bit timid really.  So to watch you people going through it is refreshing.  I am sure it helps each of you to just encounter and consider different points of view, as uncomfortable as it may be at times.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Wow.
    I am at the library and I can't watch the video, but I am blown away by the kindness in the non-believer's (for lack of a better title) response. Thank you for those. I found them to be beautiful. smile

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Wow, that's like saying you are blown away by the compassion that Jews have as you didn't think they had it in them.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know what the Jews have to do with it... odd choice. But I hadn't seen that kind of compassion from you before and it was lovely to me. Im sorry if that offended, it wasn't meant to.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          We are all humans capable of the same compassion. The fact that that surprises you concerns me.

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            We should be, but some are not. Surely you have met some in your life with less compassion than others?

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, and you pointed out that you are surprised to find unbelievers with compassion.

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I was indeed surprised to see your post. Im not sure surprised was my same reaction to Jonny's but I did enjoy the kindness in it... in both of them.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  So you are surprised that those of another faith or lack of faith have compassion. That's messed up. As you don't seem to have compassion for those who you are surprised that they showed compassion. You don't seem to have a problem telling me that you are surprised that I can be compassionate. This is you showing no compassion and not commenting of the video presented by Jonny.

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, you are right... I am saying I have not felt in the past that you were very compassionate towards those who believe differently than you.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That is because your religion teaches you that non-believers are evil and couldn't possibly have any compassion. Yet, your religion doesn't teach compassion (Christ did), but compassion has evolved in every human, hence we all have it. The difference is whether or not one allows their religious beliefs to override their compassion or not.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Lol... you and radman do like to twist a lot.
        I specifically said that I had not seen radman show that kind of compassion to believers before, but it really doesn't matter. Twist away. I hope you have a good day all the same.

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          That is because Rad Man shows compassion towards people and not towards the dogma of religions, huge difference. The problem is that folks like yourself align themselves with the dogma of religions as if it is part of your arms and legs, part of you. But, it isn't part of you, it is just another failed ideology, one that you need to let go and stop following because it does nothing but make life miserable for you.

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            Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Nailed it again. She didn't see the compassion I expressed to Chris when he lost his wife or the compassion expression to Melissa when I learned she lost a child, but she saw it here because it was connected with someones Christianity.

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        jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Can you live with that difference?  Or do you feel it must always be ironed out?

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I hope that we do not think every thing he says is true any more than the rest of us. Just b/c it comes out of his mouth, doesn't give it weight. I wholly disagree with his post, but I seldom feel the need to defend. Some things simply don't have credence. This one one of them in my opinion.

          1. A Troubled Man profile image59
            A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Of course, you don't believe anything we say is true, because you have yet to learn how to think about what we say. You simply compare it to Christianity and if it agrees, you agree, if it doesn't agree, you don't agree.



            Exactly. smile

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          It causes a tremendous amount of conflict in the world, why should we have to live with that?

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            ATM, I agree that differences can and do cause conflict, if that is answering your question.

            But is it the difference that causes the conflict, or the way we deal with the difference?  What inspired me to start this little discussion was where I saw, and heard, a very caring person applying her knowledge, skills and love to a person who was in need of care.

            I have a background, in my early years, of being fully involved with the church and "churchiness."  I knew and sang all those hymns that talked of "Jesus and his love for little children," us grownup children as well, we were told!  I lived that life.  I see it now as simply repeating nonsense lines which had so little bearing on reality, for me.  It has been appropriate for my life to move away from that.  My choices all the way along the line.

            Yet, when I see that same comfort-generating religion having a place in the life of someone else, I can see/feel the need, and warm to their need -- and decide to live with my "un-belief,"  because it matters to them, if not to me.

            So, maybe the way to cancel out that conflict is to deal with the differences a bit more compassionately.   I say only maybe..... what do you think?

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              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              It's much more than just differences.



              No, there is no dealing with folks who follow Christianity, as can easily be seen right here on these forums. They will simply fight and will admit to fighting for their cause. If they kept their religion behind closed doors where it belongs, we wouldn't have near as many problems in the world.

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                Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Odd.. Here I was thinking that you dealt with me pretty well.. Or is this one instance where you used the general term but did not actually mean all?

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm going to venture a guess that he wasn't including you in that statement, Deepes.  big_smile

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                    Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh Goody!! I was almost about to cry...LOL

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                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  But, you aren't one of those who follows the hate cult of Christianity. Not only that, but we are teaching you a great deal of things here, and you're learning. smile

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                    Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Not so much learning as confirming my bias of what I had already picked up based on other notable comments made elsewhere

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Oh... I see now. I have to click on something that says I support abortion. Yeah, Im sorry, Im not going to click on it, but the video does sound very good.

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      bBereanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      But it gives you a "when did you stop beating your wife" kind of option.  wink

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Ive NEVER beaten my wife, I don't care what they say!

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I didn't have to click on anything of that nature.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I tried it again. It didn't ask me to click on anything. What an awesome video. I can completely relate to it. Beautiful! Thank you for sharing it Jonny! smile

 
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