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Can our thoughts exist outside of our skull?

  1. Ericdierker profile image82
    Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago

    We seemed to stray from the focus of a good forum here: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/117952#post2488540

    So I ask the question that arose there in the context of needing to die in order to reach what many think of as heaven.

    I feel it is not necessary. Others think it is dilusional to believe we can exist outside of our physical body. I believe I can travel in my thoughts and that I can shape my reality in those thoughts. Others suggest that is all poppycock.

    What say you?

    1. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, it is poppycock. Existing "outside" of our physical bodies is just silly, childish nonsense.

    2. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      What evidence can you provide?  What are you using for a definition of "thought" or even "we"?  Are you assuming a supernatural undetectable "soul" as a substitute for the electrical pattern of electron motion/neuron formation in your brain?

      Until evidence is presented, I'm afraid that I will have to hang with the side that thinks it's poppycock.  The side that can't find a "soul" and thus has no made up belief in it's existence and that doesn't find massive electrical activity happening outside the brain tissues. 

      Just in passing, I might mention that even were you able to "see" around corners or across the world, able to "hear" conversations from a continent away, it still does not point to "travelling outside your body".

      1. Ericdierker profile image82
        Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I got called into the office early to consult on a danged IP issue. Troublesome that stuff. Copyrights and all. Some morons 100's of years ago suggest that we can own thoughts put down on paper and claim them as our own.
        What the heck do they think they are doing --- patenting their minds?
        I tell you these guys really think thoughts can exist on paper -- http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf   How foolish. They should know that thoughts only exist in our skull and cannot escape!!

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          That's government for you, all right.  Can't get anything else right, why expect them to this one?

          1. Ericdierker profile image82
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Just who the heck does this separation between Church and State protect? Both scare the hell out of me. Hey maybe the scare my thoughts right out of my skull!

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          A friend of mine is a corporate lawyer. They are just so much fun.

          1. Ericdierker profile image82
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Now if there ever was a case to believe that thoughts should be contained. That would be one. Can you imagine that brain matter floating around as "free radicals" in space?

      2. Ericdierker profile image82
        Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I just came out of our server room where they are working on a glitch. Very strange the amount of static electricity floating around outside the servers --- I am told that is a problem that they are working on. It is not good.

        But here all these techies were, trying to contain and I suppose somehow ground the electrical currents where there must be an arch of some sort. Dang these guys still have issues containing electricity inside boxes. And I saw our "power company" hosing down a transformer and heard the crackling from the cables. Man o man they all should hire Rad Man and Wilderness --- those to guys know that electrical impulses and energy cannot escape a brain --- how easy to contain them in a metal box.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, I didn't say electrical current is contained in anything. If one gets struck by lightning it goes in and comes out the other side.

          I'm talking about thought though. We were talking about thought right?

          1. Ericdierker profile image82
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Excuse me I thought it was your position that thought was just neural energy contained in the brain -- commonly referred to a electrical impulse between synapses that allow for cognitive thought. If you think thought is more or less, please fill me in. Because as I see your argument that is the only empirical data on thought.

            1. psycheskinner profile image80
              psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Neural impulses are not technically electrical because communication across synapses is chemical, only the communication along the dendrite within the cell is electrical. More importantly the electrical component is only part of what allows the thought to occur. 

              The thought is also a product of the hardware itself.  It can no more occur outside the brain than software can run outside a computer. Saying thought occurs outside the brain because there are tiny electric fields is like saying digestion occurs outside the body because we poop.

              1. Ericdierker profile image82
                Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                So psychskinner, what is communication of thought?

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Do I have to explain neurons and electrochemical signalling. One kind of needs neurons to think and if your nerons are outside of your skull your most likely dead.

              1. Ericdierker profile image82
                Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You are really trapped in the physical Rad Man. Say how did the thoughts in your last post get from your brain into mine --- watch:  "Do I have to explain neurons and electrochemical signalling. One kind of needs neurons to think and if your nerons are outside of your skull your most likely dead."
                See my brain knew what your brain was thinking --- how did that happen? I also know you do not care about spelling and you did not even write that down.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Now we need to explain to you how humans communicate? I only know what your thoughts are because I see the words on my computer. If you were in the room I could hear your voice and or read your body language.

                  But I give up. We both have special powers, but mine cancel yours out because I can tell when someone is flinging poppycock.

                  1. Ericdierker profile image82
                    Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    So straight if communication is not putting our thoughts outside of our self/brain what is it?

        2. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Are you confusing ionized atoms with electrical currents?

          1. Ericdierker profile image82
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Static electricity is electricity. I am not confused. I used it and meant it.  Static electricity is electricity that does not flow in a current, i e not contained.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Static electricity is an excess of electrical charge (electrons) in one location over another.  As electrons do not significantly exist outside of atoms, that means that it is composed of ions, either negatively or positively charged.

              The common usage of "electricity" on the other hand refers to movement of electrons in or on a conductor.

              Lightning, for instance, is a static discharge.  The charge accumulates until it overcomes the resistance of air, whereupon it becomes a current, electrons flowing between air and ground, and we call it "electricity".

        3. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The brain makes a very small electric field which you need to stick electrodes on the skull to really measure.  That saying that field is the thought would be mistaking the bark for the dog.

    3. Jason Marovich profile image89
      Jason Marovichposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Currently our brain's cortex activity is limited to our bodies.  Will it develop to manipulate ions outside the body in the future?  Who knows...

    4. psycheskinner profile image80
      psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thoughts are changes in chemical potentials across cell membranes in the brain.  And that is it.

      It is what you do based on your thoughts that affects the world.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I think I summed it up rather nicely when I said,

      Eric, you my friend have grossly under estimated me. I also have special powers, only mine are much more useful. I have been given the wonderful ability of knowing when someone is full of s%*t and guess what, my special senses are tingling.

      Unless of course you can supply evidence.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You DID say that before.  I think you need to put a little more effort to staying away from radioactive spiders...

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Too late.

          1. Ericdierker profile image82
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Please you two -- pay attention. Nothing to do radiation. Strictly overdosing on hallucinogens and I promise they are all natural. Too fun!

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Hallucinogens can cause subjective changes in perception, thought, emotion and consciousness. They may make you think you are floating, but your not.

              1. Ericdierker profile image82
                Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Dehydration, sleep deprivation and high altitude combined will effect the same results quickly. And correct the body does not float. Deep meditation can cause the same effects and again the body does not float. Thank you for pointing out that intrinsic necessity for a difference.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  The body doesn't float and you do not leave the body, you may feel like you do, but you don't.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Astral projection, levitation, extra sensory perception, living on light, (rather than food,) avatars having no shadows, dead bodies of spiritual masters not decaying for weeks and weeks, ghosts, cats/dogs walking home after being taken across country. Some mysterious things are not explainable. It doesn't mean they are not true. The soul might be so subtle there is nothing man-made that can detect it. For instance who has detected a soul leaving the body at death? Yet souls do leave the body. Just because no one has detected the soul's departure physically, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
                    TWISI

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        This post is from the same person that actually told me not to post again because he said I was off topic? I was simply trying to put your question into relate-able terms... what is your point here?

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Ahh, he said his thoughts can exist outside his body and I told him he is full of poppycock unless he can supply evidence.

          On topic, I didn't mention the time of day or how nice it is outside.

          Now please stay on topic. Yours is the first here to go off topic, once again.

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Im gonna walk away from this one.

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Unless Ive misunderstood your question, that makes very little sense to me.
      I, of course, believe in a human soul... but your thoughts departing from you and taking on a life of their own? Is that what you're proposing? Is this a teaching of some kind or just a personal belief?

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        Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Hey Beth, good questions.

      2. Ericdierker profile image82
        Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Beth as usual you cut right to the heart of it. "thoughts taking on a life of their own". Very cool perspective. Like the child going off to college and separating herself from the embodiment of the family unit. Yes in a sense yes. Freedom from the body and the restrictions imposed thereby. Is in essence the notion.

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Im sorry if I missed it, only skimming. Do you feel you've experienced this? And we're not talking about a NDE, dealing with the soul and the body... we're talking solely of thoughts separating from the thinker?

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            It would seem more that if you are experiencing thoughts not from the thinker that ESP is at work; that you are picking up thoughts originating in someone else. 

            Yes?

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              And why aren't they my own thoughts?

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Because they come from someone else?  To claim them as yours would be plagiarizing, just as copying a hub would.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  But... if they dwell in my own head, I'm going to claim them as my own. If I can't claim my own thoughts, I quit.

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    If you claim everything you see, hear or experience as your own, please stay far away from my hubs.

          2. Ericdierker profile image82
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Yes Beth. Perhaps with the addition of joining them in our consciousness. But more about the idea that ideas can exist outside our brains. Even though they started there. And if these thoughts can exist outside of our skull why cannot our consciousness follow that. Why can't my thoughts be totally on a rose and my consciousness follow that? And what if they are totally on heaven? Why not that?

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Could you walk me thru this with an example perchance? Im not following.

              1. Ericdierker profile image82
                Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Beth, I am visualizing and concentrating on a rose. When done correctly all other thoughts are gone. It takes a lot of work and practice at first. But like this morning all my thoughts were on the rose. I mean almost all. My thoughts were out of me and on the rose. Nothing more complicated or stargazing or metaphysical than that.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I understand. So you are concentrating on a rose. At what point do your thoughts leave your mind and take on a life of their own? Where do they go? For what purpose? Who is orchestrating this, you? Is this beneficial, could it be detrimental and if so, in what ways?

                  1. Ericdierker profile image82
                    Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    When my thoughts are shared or released. Or when I choose to "step aside and view things from another perspective. Certainly there are degrees. They do not go someplace like you going to a store. Thoughts are not things.
                    Right here, right now -- when you read this, my thoughts are part of your thoughts. Communication is the act of exchanging thoughts.
                    Why is that so difficult?

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Okay Eric, demonstate please. Bring your consciousness to me and tell me what I'm wearing. Are you about to tell me it doesn't work that way?

              1. Ericdierker profile image82
                Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Those would not be my thoughts. I know you are wearing clothes of some sort or are naked --- can you imagine me wanting to have those thoughts?

                So no I will not try to have your thoughts unless you give them to me. Here are some of mine. It is raining outside, but I am inside but I can see myself standing out in the rain and feel the wetness. It smells great and cold. I can visualize some of my work today. I have a vision of success, but I am ready for any obstacles or changes. I must be careful of projecting too much.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  That's called communication and imagination. It doesn't mean something exists when you think imagine  it, I does however mean the imagined thing exists in your imagination. Imagining being outside doesn't bring you out side, it does give you the imagination of being outside. I too can imagine heaven.

    7. kess profile image61
      kessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      If the fullness of the I, which is me is this body, then I am death for the body is subjected to the things of which it consist and that which encompasses it.

      But if the fullness of the I which is me, is not my body, then what am I?

      You can not be more than that perspective which draws it own conclusions, neither can you be more than that conclusion.

      1. Ericdierker profile image82
        Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Kess my friend, is your self only a part of your body?

    8. Silverspeeder profile image60
      Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Daja vu

      !'m sure I have been here before..............................

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    The saints of all religions can verify that thoughts have a reality outside the physical body. Jesus appears ( has appeared to some) and speaks without a physical body. How many will agree? All those who have heard him within their own minds. I have. For instance with this concussion, I heard Jesus tell me to "stop worrying." (It was exactly the advice I needed, as calmness is vital to the nervous system for healing a concussion.) This answer came right after I asked Him for help. Some might say they were my thoughts but, It was not advice coming from myself!
         Many understand what I say here. How many have had dreams of their loved ones right before they passed away? How many "know " things before they happen. Intuition is the receiving of metaphysical realities which occur outside of the body. Therefore, thoughts do exist and can even be projected into that realm.
    Not maybe...certainly.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      So you are saying there is no way you would ever tell yourself to not worry so it must have come from elsewhere and that elsewhere much have been Jesus?

      Sure, that makes perfect sense.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        (As everyone knows it is very hard to tell yourself to stop worrying while you are frantically worrying. When I heard those words I was able to instantly calm down.)
        You've NEVER had a moment when you perceived something intuitively? How about when you perceived the numbers of the lottery ticket?
        Hmmm?

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I lied about that to see just how gullible the gullible can be. Hook, line, and sinker.

          Intuition is part of your own thought process, take credit for your own thought process.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Hock, line and sinker! How dare you lie to us! Very bad, Rad Man!

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Eastern mysticism is all about this topic. Why is the west so closed? Because their evidence comes from personal, ( yet common to all) experience. The west accepts only scientific evidence. However, I have participated in ESP tests where I scored over 50% right answers. I know, you will say guesses.  With me at this point it is hit and miss, darn it.  But others know how to develop this skill by practicing and working with it.
    We could do it here... How many can intuit the color of my oldest dog? Close you eyes and let yourself be open to incoming perceptions.... I am sending out the color ....
    I am thinking that Rad Man will come up with it ... Try, Rad man! You have to redeem yourself from lying to us. Maybe you did intuitively perceive those numbers... or was the whole story made up?

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Hook, line, and sinker.

      1. psycheskinner profile image80
        psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        *Hook

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Right. Sorry, dyslexia is an awful thing.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You are so cute when you get all flusstery. You could have edited it leaving me with egg on my face. smile

            Did anyone guess...
                                            White?

            How about the breed?

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Jack Russel.
              How about the age?

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                Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Who's dog are trying to guess? Mine is not white and not a Jack Russel.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  No… I am conducting an ESP experiment. What is the color of my dog?  Now what is the breed... what is her age... her name?
                  If you perceive all the correct answers you are indeed psychic.
                  Fat Chance.
                  Yet, I still believe in ESP.

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                    A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Even though ESP is pure nonsense, you still believe in it? lol

                    How about another experiment, to find out why folks believe in complete nonsense?

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Okay then, what street did I live on back in 1980? I could ask about my dog, but you could find that answer. I'll wait as I've done for sometime now. This is where I'm usually told it doesn't work that way.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, because that is exactly what it is, guesses. ESP would have you score 100% every single time.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        No arguments from me.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    You seem to be possibly unwilling to make your point clear? If so, what is the point of posting it? Either you are wanting to bring something to our collective attention or you are simply wanting to play a game?

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    We have astral bodies which are subtle bodies. The online dictionary just communicated this to me! when I highlighted astral bodies, subtle bodies came up! pretty mysterious glitch if you ask me!

  6. Ericdierker profile image82
    Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago

    Back to my question. Yes thoughts can exists outside of our skull. Intellectual properties are one such example. A poem is a further example.
    However I raised the issue in context of going someplace with out thoughts. Clearly not like jumping around the world. But a space that exists in our thoughts. Like a perceived heaven.
    Even though this is not an empirical notion some demand proof of it as though it were like proof of an object or physical action.
    This must be an acceptable position for us to understand. Like wise a position that recognizes that the notion is not a physical manifestation or an empirical one should be respected.
    Some stand on the concept that the notion is a belief because it cannot, in a traditional scientific sense, be proven. Many think that a belief is not a valid thought process. That a belief must be belittled.
    I have not seen a matter where someone of belief thinks scientific thought must be belittled but I do see very defensive postures regarding empirical scientific thought. It would seem that is natural. Most the debate is clouded in negative past experiences, which seem to be embedded.

    So I tell people what is true for me. I can consciously only exist in a thought.. (no I did not say I can only exist in a thought). I think cogito ergo sum, is also true in the sense that I am because I think. If I did not think I would not exist. Yes that would include a brain dead body -- the tissue remains but there is no human within.
    There is an argument going around that a belief is not a truth. Somewhere people have decided that just what they accept as proof and truth is valid. Well that is fine, but they must accept that that kind of proof and truth is "to them and for them". It is perfectly normal and legitimate if I choose to accept an eye witness testimony as proof. That notion of proof predates Hammurabi and is in fact universal. But some just refute it. In fact witness testimony has been around as proof long before any structure of scientific thought.
    Now it is not my intention to prove the notion of thoughts leaving our skull. For this is a conceptual matter and if we rested solely on proof we would fall short of the truth. Electricity captured and used, man flying with a machine, nuclear energy, penicillin, scuba diving, and heart implants were not proven first they were imagined first. I do not trust proof, in that it limits us to what we already have proof of. I understand about building blocks and that is fine as far as it goes. But it does not go to invention.
    We say "he is lost in thought". Well that really captures something, like most sayings like that do. It means he is not present with us and paying attention through his senses. He is elsewhere in thought. We use these terms because they mean something that witnesses have seen and described for at least two millennium.
    I do not think that now we should come along and say it is not true -- without proof. The burden should be on those that defy hundreds of years of man's observation and millions of witnesses.

    1. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Eric, perhaps you're just ignoring everyone, but that has already been explained to you. Yes, you can write down your thoughts for others to see, like on this forum, for example, but that is pretty much the extent of thoughts existing outside your skull. Do you understand?



      Of course, people believe in all kinds of ridiculous things, this thread is overwhelming proof of that.



      You can accept whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.



      Sorry, but those things are based on facts and evidence, not irrational beliefs.



      You have made evidently clear, but it is part of the problem, not the solution.



      Sorry, but the burden is on those who make the positive claim.

      1. Ericdierker profile image82
        Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Hi ATM, and I have explained to you. That you can live in your rule world. And clearly your brain is limited by those self imposed rules. And I can know as much about logic and proof as you, and as much about science as you. But you have an inability to know as much as I do in other areas. Because you have restrained your mind by your rules. Be happy in your mental prison. I wish you well. I am not so imprisoned.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image59
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          But, it is painfully clear you don't, nor would you ever even consider that.



          No, you are not special, Eric, you have no special powers over and above the rest of us, that is just childish immaturity on your part.

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Im not picking on you... I just have a curiosity about you.
            What does it hurt you to allow him to say something that you don't agree with?
            I know we all come here and discuss at great lengths the things we agree and do not agree with, but what harm does it do you for him to share these kinds of whimsies or thoughts?

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Says the one who just told me I should be careful I don't insult Gold.

            2. A Troubled Man profile image59
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Gee Beth, you still haven't figured out what public forums are all about. Maybe, some day. lol

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                alright then.

                1. Ericdierker profile image82
                  Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Beth, ATM is a "just is". He just is that way. I find it near endearing. Some people are just grumpy old men. When comments are so predictably negative. They kind of lose their juice. Like an old man. (of course I am not saying ATM is a grumpy old man, he may be young and vibrant)
                  With all that said I think he adds a great deal to our reflections and thoughts about what we believe. And that is a good thing. Yes I do mean that as a compliment.

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                    A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    So, you can't handle responses that call out your BS for what it is? If we don't agree with your nonsense, it's all negativity and grumpiness? Hilarious Eric, just like a toddler behaves. lol

              2. Ericdierker profile image82
                Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                ATM it is good you insult me. It is important that others see the disdain you hold for me. It is right that they should see me attacked for my views.
                ATM wake up, I do not hold special powers ---- well yes I do along with about 2 billion others that believe in things that you cannot understand.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  So if just believe I'll get special powers as well?

                  1. Ericdierker profile image82
                    Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Egg and Chicken question probably Rad Man -- If am not sure one always comes before the other. Remember  "special powers" is ATM's condescending term not mine. I think it beneath your understanding. Your love for family is a "special power". You clearly have what many others do not. The sad, mad, lonely and unloved of which there are many. Not everybody gets to have hope and dreams and belief in something greater than themselves. You clearly do. And yes though it may be common it is still very special, like a snowflake where no two are exactly alike.

                2. A Troubled Man profile image59
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry Eric, but delusion is not a special power. lol

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    mbuggiehposted 3 years ago

    My sense is that the answer to this question is a clear "yes".

    Our thoughts when transferred to some substrate---whether it be paper or digital, exist outside of our "skulls".

    Humans are much more than their physical bodies---and this statement should NOT be taken as a suggestion of some supernatural existence, but of the fact of how we exist and how our having existed persists.

 
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