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The bible threat

  1. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    With all the conversation about the bible as God's word; I am really baffled. Please help me to understand how one may possibly come to the conclusion that the bible threatens when they do not believe in God; or have no "evidence" of his existence?
    I am not afraid that I should lock my door because Freddy's coming for me (anymore smile ); and I am not mad at Wes for "telling" me I should be.
    So, if God is not real in your mind/heart/brain/book-knowledge, how may the bible be viewed as threatening? And why spend ANY time in discussion about God?

    (I will start a Fear of Freddy forum soon to see what kind of responses emerge.)

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Although it is a bit of sloppy thinking, it is easy to see that the followers and believers in the bible are indeed a threat to any lifestyle not their own.  Far too many absolutely insist that their holy book must apply to everyone, that everyone MUST follow the personal interpretations of the believer.

      1. DoubleScorpion profile image84
        DoubleScorpionposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        +1000

        If the bible wasn't attempted at being used to direct a "non-believers" life, then of course it wouldn't be a threat...However...that is not the case so much...

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I believe you're going to have to give some of those 0's back mister... you've abused your daily allowance.

          1. DoubleScorpion profile image84
            DoubleScorpionposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            LOL...I don't use them often so I have a back stash of them for just this type of occasion

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Hoarder. Now there's none left for the rest of us... from now on we'll all be making +p's and no one will know why.

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, he is, and I've got the rest of them locked away in the basement. 

                You don't need any anyway as you would just put them on the wrong post - one that needs minus signs or something. smile

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  hahaha. I don't like the +1 anyway... I need a 'thumbs up' or something... Ive done that in real life so it rings true. Never has anyone said something I fully agreed with to which I responded, "Plus ONE, my friend! PLUS ONE!" lol... It just feels weird. Let's ask Matt to give us a "like" button like on FB. Maybe epsonok0 will start us off.

                  1. bBerean profile image60
                    bBereanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    b wink d

              2. DoubleScorpion profile image84
                DoubleScorpionposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I share...One must only fill out the proper request form and route it through the proper channels for them to be release for use by the requester.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Im shaking things up around here... no more +1's! From now on Im just going to clap... no one else will know, but my positive energy will be floating all around this forum like fairy dust in Neverland!

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    All that positive energy will attract more meteors (they are negatively charged from the solar wind and the Saturnians), inevitably resulting in another dinosaur killer sized one.

                    Beth37, responsible for genocide of the human race.  And all other life on earth to boot.  Will that be your legacy?

        2. Cgenaea profile image59
          Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Ok, using this line of reason (or was that thought?) Wes could come up with a Freddy Facts Manual to ensure that Freddy does NOT come for you, and we would get tons of feedback??? Could THAT be used to direct one's life?

          1. DoubleScorpion profile image84
            DoubleScorpionposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            If one was to use the "Freddy" movies to attempt to create laws that ruled mankind....well...you could figure it out I am sure...Right??

            1. Cgenaea profile image59
              Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Why do I feel I need to say, "right"? Imaginary characters don't get "law" books... smile get it?

              1. JMcFarland profile image91
                JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Do you believe in Allah?  He has a law book that millions of people follow.  It would seem your point is invalid.

                1. Cgenaea profile image59
                  Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  From what I understand, Allah is the same God understood a different way. The people of Ishmael, the son of Abraham. My good took care of Ishmael and made his people a great nation as promised.

                  1. JMcFarland profile image91
                    JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Then you understood Muslim (and Biblical) theology incorrectly.  The god of the Bible and the god of the Koran are NOT the same god, and since your claim was that imaginary figures do not get law books, you don't believe that Allah is real (and therefore imaginary) your claim is unfounded and incorrect.

                    If the Bible is to be believed, god did promise Hagar's son that he would make a great nation.  Not that he would eventually propagate another religion with contradicting claims and beliefs and an entirely different deity altogether.  While Muslims respect Jesus as a prophet, they believe that he was not the son of god, that he did not actually die on the cross, and that the message was lost in translation.

              2. getitrite profile image79
                getitriteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Yes they do.  And the imaginary character's law book is "interpreted" in such a way as to hate everything that the corrupt leadership hates....which is usually women, homosexuals, foreigners, people who want to copulate without stifling restrictions, and anyone who doesn't accept their man-made, imaginary God's laws.  Can you explain why that is?

                1. Cgenaea profile image59
                  Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Well, Sir that is purely a matter of perspective.  For me, God hates no one; but sin. He gets to make the rules of what that is. And anyone gets to decide to take it or leave it. But it seems that the "leavers" are never at peace with their decision.  wink just kidding... a little.

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    No, He doesn't hate anyone.  He just sends billions to Hell because He loves them so much.

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        MysticMoonlightposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Ah, wilderness, you have such a way with words...well said and so true! Wish there was a *Like* button!

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      Rayne123posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      HI there
      You bring up a very good point actually. If someone does not believe in the things God does or have that love for God in their hearts then why do they feel they have to pick apart the bible. If one does not believe then they do not have to worry about the bible.

      I will say this though,for those that do believe in the bible,  there are still the ones that pick out certain parts and have no clue about other parts.
      Thank you
      Laurie

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118101#post2491199

        The answer is actually pretty straight forward.

      2. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        True, the church has broken into different sects based on that fact.

    3. Frank Menchise profile image15
      Frank Menchiseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The Bible does not threaten anybody, but there are a few things that don't add up, so there are doubts about the Bible being the word of God? We have already written a few hubs about this subject, feel free to check them out.
      May God bless you?

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        For sure I have had many conversations concerning biblical validity.  No, not everyone feels it to be the word of God. Many reasons are given.

    4. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Any book sitting on a shelf poses no threat at all. It's when a person picks it up, reads it and starts to put into action the words written there. If the words written there are threatening, then that person is reiterating a threat, hence they become the threat. It doesn't matter whether or not people believe the entities within the book are real, it is the uttered threats that matter.

      This is simple to understand.

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        Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        It's interesting that you say it that way, ATM.  In the movie, The Book of Eli, Gary Oldman's character is on a quest to find a bible - and a character asks him why this book is so important.  After all, it's just a book.  The response?  "It's not 'just a book;' it's a WEAPON!"

        1. Cgenaea profile image59
          Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Powerful statement.

        2. A Troubled Man profile image61
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Interesting, indeed, Mo. I think I'll get around to watching that movie now.

          It's kinda like an assault weapon, it can sit on the shelf and not cause a bit of harm to anyone, until it gets picked up and used.

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            Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            It's a fantastic movie.  It's got a good deal of spiritual content, though, which may be what steered you away from it the first time around.  BUT, it's worth watching, if, for no other reason, because Denzel Washington and Gary Oldman are brilliant together.  smile

            1. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Well, I wasn't really steered away from it, I just didn't know anything about it. However, I'll make an attempt to watch it and get back to you. Thanks for the recommendation. smile

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                Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Sure.  smile 

                I have to admit that I LOVE Denzel as a badass, which he is in this film.  Badass, not bad guy - to this day, I refuse to watch Training Day because I don't want to see him play a bad guy.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Then, you really don't want to see Safe House or American Gangster. smile

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I have seen American Gangster...and I liked it.  Safe House, I sorta half watched - was doing other things while my husband was watching it.  So, I guess it's fair to say that I have enjoyed him in a bad guy role.  Didn't think about that.  But I still have some weird aversion to Training Day.  Maybe it's simple irritation at the fact that it's the only role for which he's ever won a Best Actor Oscar, and there are so many others that he should have won.  Or, it's just completely irrational.  I could go for that too. LOL

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            Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Oh, and I'm right there with ya on the analogy to an assault weapon.  It's so sad to realize what we're capable of bastardizing for our own benefit.  I have never, to my knowledge, assaulted anyone with Scripture, and I absolute abhor watching other people do it.  IF you see the Bible as nothing more than a weapon, and are constantly hell bent on defending it as such, then you're missing the whole point of it.  That is, of course, people in general that I'm addressing, not "you" personally.

            smile

            1. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I see the Bible as a book written by men showing a snapshot of how people behaved and what they believed centuries ago.

              Even Richard Dawkins views the Bible as a book of beautiful literature with many interesting things to say.

              The key element is what people do with the book, do they read it and find beautiful literature or do they use it as a weapon?

              The book, "Mein Kampf", written by Hitler is a book with a lot of interesting things, but also shows what he thought and believed himself, many ugly and horrific things, yet we don't see people using it as a weapon in the same way we see the Bible used. Curious, isn't it?

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                Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I see it much the same way.  Of course, as a believer, I see great spiritual value in it, but do NOT deny that it is often misused to abuse those who do not, which, unfortunately, is done by people who claim it as their spiritual authority.

                As to Mein Kampf, I agree. 

                smile

                1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Unfortunately, Mo, I have yet to hear any explanation regarding that term, hence for me it is somewhat meaningless.

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I can understand that. 

                    For me, it's spirit-the essence of my being.  My soul, psyche, my center.  I find value in scripture for maintaining my spiritual health. 

                    Without an acceptable definition of spirit being agreed upon, perhaps I should have said that there is value in it (for me) as regards maintaining my psychological well being. 

                    smile

            2. Cgenaea profile image59
              Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              ...sharper than any two-edged sword that... judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
              It judges... hmmm I said that! smile
              The bible is not simply used as a weapon; it actually is. Some people are blinded by the light of it. Some prefer the lie (now that is much easier on the "eyes"). Some people are offended by scripture;  no mistake about why. It judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.  That can be really painful sometimes.  But to actually know truth is freeing.  Yes. That is scriptural.

              1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                A book is not really a weapon, technically, it is actually the person who wields it who becomes the weapon, much like an assault rifle. And as we all know, weapons being used on others is very dangerous and causes a lot of damage.

                1. Cgenaea profile image59
                  Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Double-edged sword.  It often cuts both ways. wink the person speaking the truth is not at fault unless adding or subtracting. Unlike an assault rifle in that it cuts billions with one word (I mean shot).

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                    A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    LOL. You don't offer any truths, so that would negate your so-called double edge sword.

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                Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Not all people are comforted by truth;  all are freed by it.  I can agree to that.  And I thank God every day for the freedom I have in my life.

    5. wba108@yahoo.com profile image86
      wba108@yahoo.composted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I think it because it brings conviction and truth to areas of darkness in people’s lives. The last thing darkness wants is for the light to expose it. If you’ve got sin in your heart and don’t want to change, the Bible can be a real nuisance. The Bible says it all- “For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Heb4:12

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        We've got a confirmation people! smile
        This post reiterates several.  Tell me poster, have you been peeking???

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      mbuggiehposted 3 years ago in reply to this
      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        It is written... ye shall KNOW the truth and it will MAKE you free.
        It is also written,  all who cry Lord, Lord are not His. Some will say, didn't we do all manner of things in your name? And he will say back, Depart from me ye workers of iniquity,  I know you not.
        Jesus showed us how to do "in the name of God"

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Guess it lied again, huh?

          Neither you nor anyone else knows the truth of the very basis of the religion: does your God even exist.  You are NOT free of ignorance there and will not be this side of the grave.  Or is that  how you interpret this saying - by assuming God is there and you will know when dead?

          How long since you attacked a temple, throwing people you didn't like outside?

          1. Cgenaea profile image59
            Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            It never lied in the first place. 
            You WILL come to know TRUTH once you ask in faith. It is written: The dead in Christ shall rise...
            Uh... haven't attacked a temple in a while. wink

  2. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    There seems to be a bit of confusion on the matter but I just found this quote..  In 1076, Pope Gregory VII wrote this to a Muslim leader: “We believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way…”
    What'cha think?

  3. Jonathan Janco profile image80
    Jonathan Jancoposted 3 years ago

    If you're able to focus your mind effectively and consistently, there's no need for fairy dust. That stuff is strictly for neophytes.

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Some people's thoughts are based on the logic of mathematics, Miss C. In mathematics, negatives always cancel out positives.  Some Atheists are very left brained.

    1. Cgenaea profile image59
      Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I see wink

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That is a myth. Those who are strong in mathematics actually employ both the right and left side of the brain working together.

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    mbuggiehposted 3 years ago

    The problem is not the Bible as a literary or historical or even religious text.

    The problem---the source of fear and concern for some of us is what people do with the Bible; how they wield it as a weapon and how they use it to justify bigotry, discrimination, violence.

  6. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    The spirit.  The soul. The psyche. The center. Essence smile  For they that deny they have either (that don't include blood cells; or may be seen on video); no explanation exists.  We may "define" til the cows come home.
    It's for the ones who choose His way.

  7. BernieLaFontaine profile image87
    BernieLaFontaineposted 3 years ago

    People who have something to hide think the bible is a threat.  There are those who use His words against others are the ones that say they he does not exist.  If you'e in doubt, ask Him.  Him as in the Man above.  He will answer.

    1. Cgenaea profile image59
      Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Niiice smile Fear of exposure for sure may be a catalyst.  Judgmental is how I'm viewed because I quote many scriptures to respond to posts. My entire thought process here is biblical. Few realize that it is the word that judges. Not me. I am "guilty" also.  I say that too. But I guess the bible overshadows and the "blame" shifts.

      1. BernieLaFontaine profile image87
        BernieLaFontaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed. People twist things too get what they want. Not the Word if God. :-)

        1. Cgenaea profile image59
          Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I do not agree to that. People twist everything,  even scripture.  It is an art perfected by those who prefer to place their lamps underneath bushels; and those who wish to dismiss them altogether.  Thanks for helping.  It is important to properly use scripture.

          1. BernieLaFontaine profile image87
            BernieLaFontaineposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Explain, please.

            1. Cgenaea profile image59
              Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              What would you like explained?

  8. secularist10 profile image90
    secularist10posted 3 years ago

    "Please help me to understand how one may possibly come to the conclusion that the bible threatens..."

    The Bible is not a threat to anybody, of course. That's why no responsible person ever calls for the Bible to be banned or burned (or any other holy text, for that matter).

    Instead, responsible atheists, agnostics and other nonbelievers seek to increase knowledge, rational thinking and general skepticism. If anything, they would encourage people to read the Bible, since they know that doing so is more likely to lead to non-belief than otherwise:

    "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."--Isaac Asimov

    Moreover, it has been found that atheists and nonbelievers are more knowledgeable about the Bible than Christians. That should tell you something. It's not the Bible that is a threat, it's (many of) the people that take it so seriously.

    "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians."--Gandhi.

    1. Cgenaea profile image59
      Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Just so you, it is important to note that the study of scripture with the wrong intent is futile.  When the knowledgable study the book, they miss the part about it being foolishness to the wise and those who are perishing.  It is in there. Those words are scary if you misinterpret the scripture.  You easily misinterpret when the spirit of God is not near. You get suspicious.  Then you search in another book and misinterpret that and it magically confirms that the bible is not worth the paper.  It happens very often.  The spirit of God cannot be "reasoned" he does not think as we.

      1. secularist10 profile image90
        secularist10posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Shakespeare wrote: "The fool thinks himself to be wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool."

        There are an awful lot of "wise" religious believers who claim to know the mind of God.

        You wrote:
        "The spirit of God cannot be "reasoned" he does not think as we."

        How do you know that?

        1. Cgenaea profile image59
          Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The bible makes both those statements. Here, "...uses the foolish things to confound the wise" and "his thoughts are not our thoughts."  Google, they can be found. 
          My thought process here is biblical. 
          Jesus showed us what the mind of God looks like. He has the mind of God. We through the spirit have the mind of God. We know the mind of God if we look at Jesus. The red words are my absolute favorite!!!
          There are many more ways to NOT know the mind of Christ though.

          1. secularist10 profile image90
            secularist10posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            "My thought process here is biblical."

            So to understand God, we need to read the Bible. How do you know that?

            1. Cgenaea profile image59
              Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Because I did it. And if I can, anyone can.

              1. secularist10 profile image90
                secularist10posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                But how do you know that reading the Bible made you understand God?

                1. Cgenaea profile image59
                  Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  That's an odd question.  It's like, "How do you know water is wet?"

                  1. secularist10 profile image90
                    secularist10posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Again, let me rephrase to clarify: you say, essentially, "knowledge of God is based on the Bible." What is the Bible based on?

              2. secularist10 profile image90
                secularist10posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Put another way, you say, essentially, "knowledge of God is based on the Bible." What is the Bible based on?

                1. Cgenaea profile image59
                  Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Love

                  1. secularist10 profile image90
                    secularist10posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm asking where does the Bible derive its authority?

                    Love, or any other feeling, cannot give authority to a book.

      2. getitrite profile image79
        getitriteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        So with what intent should we read the Bible?  And should we read all instruction manuals with the same intent?  How are we to gain the comprehension of our reading, if reason is relinquished at the outset?  This seems completely absurd, and would cause me to think that maybe I have been tricked.  Are you capable of even entertaining that thought for a nano-second?   FEAR is merciless sad

        1. Cgenaea profile image59
          Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The bible is a book written for the children of God. It is for those who want the guidelines.  It really messes with the proud and knowledgable. When you come to God, you leave the old man behind (the usual m/o) and put on spirit (the born again) and THEN pick up the bible for instruction.  It says it is set up to confound the "wise". They come with their info for God to disprove.  It happens often. He said, "Come to me all ye that labor and are heavy-laden;  and I will give you rest." It is true. But the bible says also that "you must first believe that he is... how else may you expect to receive from him."
          "Uh, Lord, I know you aint there, but show me your ways." How does that sound??? Foolishness; rite???

          1. getitrite profile image79
            getitriteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            So the Bible is for those with no pride and no knowledge?!  Quick....sign me up!



            If the Bible is set up to confound the wise, then it must be assumed that the Bible is only for the ignorant and foolish in society.  This is implied from your own words.  So why would God ask the wise to join with the foolish among us, and assume that somehow, through their brazen ignorance, they are more astute at interpreting His complexity?  Unless, of course, God is foolish Himself.  Why should a wise man lower himself to the level of a gullible fool....as if the wise man should think it reasonable to assume the fool is correct, based solely upon childish absurdities and vile silly threats?



            Then, by your logic, I could do the same thing in regards to "The Lord of the Rings"  or "The Wizard of Oz" or "Harry Potter" 
            What would you do if someone asked you to believe that the characters in any of these novels already existed, before you even started to read them?  Would you be so willing to do what you suggest that we do?


            No...it's more like...."Lord, please show me proof of your existence, so that I can believe in you.  I will be waiting for a reply.....In Jesus' name.....Amen"

            1. Cgenaea profile image59
              Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              The Lord gives wisdom.  He gave Solomon a lot. The bible is speaking of ones who know so much already that it closes off the ears in search of what THEY want.  What God wants is actually unimportant to them. "Wise in their own eyes"   "thinking more highly of yourself than you ought." Google those phrases if you need clarification.

              1. getitrite profile image79
                getitriteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Just how does your God give wisdom if His aim is to confound the wise?  Why do you feel the need to continue to flip-flop?  This is bare faced dishonesty.  These beliefs are inherently evil, as they make people say psychotic things. 



                It is completely obvious that this is what YOU are doing.  You have already closed your ears to reason, and you search the bible to confirm what you want it to say.  Of course, you selfishly and arrogantly believe that you are better than others, who actually read books with the true understanding of how to actually read something.  You have NOTHING special.  How absurd.



                We don't know of any Gods, or what they might want, and neither do you.  Stating that you do, because you read an ancient book of silly childish rubbish is disturbing.  lol



                It is you who needs clarification.  Rejecting deception is not "thinking more highly of oneself than one ought"  It is the way we negotiate life.  You too.  You don't actually allow yourself to be taken advantage of like this in your life outside of religion.  Your mindset is a sad one indeed, as you feel that you have to force yourself to be dishonest, while pretending to know things you certainly don't know....because you are so addicted to this man-made delusion.  It's very sad to see what this does to a person's mind.  sad

                1. Cgenaea profile image59
                  Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Whoa, your first paragraph is really angry sounding. You mad? You miss context often.  I'm starting to think it is done purposely. wink knowledge is good with wisdom to boot. God gives wisdom to all that asks. But we may become so knowledgable that we forget fundamental truths. God is boss and all that he says, does, is, is good. When we allow ourselves to forget, our knowledge becomes a weight. We are open to whatever.  When you don't stand firm for the fundamental,  you fall for anything your mind may fathom. And we all may come up with some doozies... right?

                  1. getitrite profile image79
                    getitriteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Just answer the questions and stop with the deception.



                    Dishonesty is the only context I see here.



                    So you are purposely trying to deceive us with this mindless nonsense, by asserting that the answer is (A) and (not A) at the same time.  If you remember...you have already vilified wisdom.  You cannot, now, assert that, somehow, that you were promoting wisdom.  Your God confounds the  wise....REMEMBER?Why do Christian have to be so deceitful?



                    Nothing more than mindless regurgitation.  Very sad that a mind can be taken over to this extent, by the foolish imaginations of ancient ignorant charlatans....indoctrinated into the mind of a helpless child.  This is why religion should be kept away from children until they can develop their critical thinking skills.  Your mind has been completely taken over.  Please get some help.

  9. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    The prayer says,  "Do what I want first, then MAYBE we can talk" well, then he has to be sure he understands exactly what miracle to perform for your pleasure. You WILL NOT be happy with just any little proof... Before long, you running things. smile
    Then we'll be calling YOU on the main line. Lol

  10. MelissaBarrett profile image61
    MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago

    You know those papers in college... the ones where you don't really know anything about the subject you are writing about? You believe that you are so clever that you can spin a bunch of crap together and you will sound insightful and wise.

    Everyone remembers at least one paper like that. The one that you actually convinced yourself that you did a good job. That you sounded like you knew what you were talking about. You were sure that you actually DID manage to pull something intelligent out of thin air... just because you are that good.

    When you get that big fat F back, after turning in pages of beautifully worded writing, you are actually offended... for a second. Then you realize that ignorance is obvious, no matter how you try to dress it up. You realize that people who are more intelligent than you are well aware of just how little you know.

    This whole thread is like that paper.

    1. secularist10 profile image90
      secularist10posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Ouch. Lol.

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        Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Yuh-huh!  Ouch, but she's right.  LOL

    2. Cgenaea profile image59
      Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you Melissa for admitting that. I'm sure you've helped someone. smile
      I have ALWAYS had God. My "stinky" papers came back with A's. He ALWAYS amazed me with my grades.  I always knew MORE than I thought I did. It was always a humbling experience.  Thanks again... those are GREAT memories for me.

    3. getitrite profile image79
      getitriteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed.  This paper would actually get an F minus....and the student placed on Academic Probation.

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Go easy on her! She didn't HAVE to share her personal experience with us. Yet another F and probation shows no mercy.  She came to share the love of God too...

  11. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    I don't think I will ever forget my Critical Thinking class exam. Everyone was nervous. The test was hard!!! When they were passed back,  36/100 was my score. Once the prof. explained the curve, I aced the exam!!! Only one to answer the last questions correctly. I got the highest score.  I didn't pat myself.  I deserved no credit. I thanked God.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I confess that I would look a little askance at a critical thinking course that taught it's students to exclaim that a 36% test score was "Acing the test" and to thank God that they had done that well.  It wasn't being taught in the local seminary, was it?

      It might explain some things, though...

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Ha ha smile
        Pop quiz, critical thinking.  And I need to explain how EVERYONE scored way below failing? Have you ever taken a critical thinking course?

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Again, sounds like siminary thinking.  Wishful thinking spinning truth into lie.

          Scores of anyone else does not magically make a 36% score into 100% (the commonly accepted meaning of "Aced").  It makes it sound better, feelings are good rather than bad, but the truth is still 36%.

          1. Cgenaea profile image59
            Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Oh! You did not understand.  It was bot the test miserably failed it was the experience of watching the sh*t morph into sugar right before my eyes. It was sweet.  It was one of the profs ways of challenging the class. He explained his purpose and announced me as the sole answerer of  the final question.  smile

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              It does feel good to get something special on a test, doesn't it?

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That is a terrible score, a complete fail. It clearly shows you're critical thinking skills are abysmal and your posts here confirm that.

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I don't really neee to explain myself on that point. It was what it was. See it how you want.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image61
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You don't need to explain anything, the score speaks for itself. It is a fail.

          1. Cgenaea profile image59
            Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Dont you mean an A? That was the grade wink top of the class; highest grade received; MOST "critical"; not by my power.

            1. DoubleScorpion profile image84
              DoubleScorpionposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              So you got the highest grade in the class with a 36/100...Good thing for the other students as well...since no-one probably failed...

              What would have happened if someone in the class scored...say 96/100...

              Where would have your 36/100 fallen out than?

              I would not have bragged about this myself...As in appearance, it would seem that you were the smartest (or luckiest) of a class full of persons with little to no Critical Thinking skills...

              As you have not gone into details( or i just missed it), I am going to assume, this was a test given toward the beginning of the course and not the end of the course...and was designed to assess where the classes Critical Thinking skills were baselined at.

              1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Some people are truly thankful for small ponds...

                It's like being the only guppy in a tank full of brine shrimp.

              2. Cgenaea profile image59
                Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                It does not matter. The testimony was given to reflect upon how my worries about getting an F on crappy work were usually abated once I got my work returned.  It was a lesson in how I expected little and received much more. Not "offended" that my paper was marked with a big red F, because the grade was much more often than not, more than I expected.

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              Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I have a question ( and I'm not trying to he funny it anythin just bear with me). I took a philosophy course in college where the answers to the questions were considered "common sense" but in reality there was more than one answer to the question. So the "lower" your score was the better because it showed that you were thinking outside the box. Was your critical thinking test like that?

              1. Cgenaea profile image59
                Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Actually no. I think it was more like a pop quiz that was expected to be far above undergraduate thinking. It was an assessment.  And note-takers would have gotten the "famed" answer.  Just so happens that during my cram, that note jumped out at me and I remembered. I know that some want that to be called luck; but I've been living this life too long. I cannot even tell it all. Be talking til...

                1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                  MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Why would they give tests for "above undergraduate" at a community college? I've never heard of a cc to give critical thinking classes either...

                  What is your degree again?

                  1. Cgenaea profile image59
                    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Wow. That was not just an insinuation.  It was a univ. I know you were NOT in my class...

            3. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              No, a 36% score is an F, a fail.

              You can see that any score below 60% is an F or E...

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_ … ted_States

              1. Cgenaea profile image59
                Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Hysterical laughter!!! I DO think you're jealous of my A. wink for you and the other lady it would have been an F. See how favor with God works? smile

                1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                  MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, but it would have been an F in college. I understand your confusion at the difference. As a matter of fact, the more you talk the more I understand your confusion about everything.

                  I'll try to use small words. Maybe that will help.

                  1. DoubleScorpion profile image84
                    DoubleScorpionposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Melissa...I would wager that if You, I or a few others were in class with her...She would have gotten the "F" for her score...

                  2. Cgenaea profile image59
                    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    smile The community college? 
                    The more you talk... smile

                2. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  No, I am not jealous of your fail, quite the contrary. Words could not describe how embarrassed I would be to get such a dismal mark. 36% can only be described as epic failure.



                  No, that is an F in what we call "reality"



                  Yes, it is easy to see where favor with God leads to  ... epic failure.

  12. getitrite profile image79
    getitriteposted 3 years ago

    http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c178/formerlifefreak/Madness.gif

  13. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    A little to the left please. wink

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    artofwheelposted 3 years ago

    I believe this depends on where a person is in the world and what they are being taught. Some people have over used that name but that doesnt mean that the name does not exzist. Every person has an experience that is diffrent from anothers so when a person reads the words in the bible it will have a diffrent story vs saying that there is one story. Religions are seperated but they all believe in something it doesnt MATTER what you name it.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    yall might wanna bring it back to the topic... I know it's like sticking my hand in a shark tank, but it seems like ppl are just gonna keep getting hurt...

    1. Cgenaea profile image59
      Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I agree. I don't want to be known as one who hurts people. 
      Ah yes, the threatening bible. Let's go...

    2. MelissaBarrett profile image61
      MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I'm done with her, if anyone else wants to buy her crap, it's their waste of time.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        She's somebodies daughter. We all matter... I know we get so mad on here at times, we're only human, but she matters. You matter too Melissa, you're very valuable. Remember in this moment that you're both precious.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    How is man paying?

    There are consequences for sin i.e. a guy robs a bank and says, "Hey this sin has been paid for, Im not going to jail." and the judge says, "You wanna bet?"

    Our sin is ultimately against God. We cannot enter Heaven b/c He cannot fellowship with darkness, so a "covering" of our sin had to be provided... and that is why Christ came.

    However, the judge is not interested in God's court... he's looking at his own and a price must be paid for those iniquities.

    1. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry, but the courts don't recognize or acknowledge sin, they recognize criminal and civil law.



      One fairy tale emerging from another. lol

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Indeed, they recognize 'failing to follow the law.'
        I was asking DS if that was his point in saying "man continues to pay for his sin."
        I spose you could allow him to answer.

    2. DoubleScorpion profile image84
      DoubleScorpionposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Ok...so before we go further...

      Lets clear up some things...

      What is Sin?
      Is it a transgression against God?
      Or is it breaking the law of the land?
      Or is it both?

      The bible clearing states that Christ paid the price for all sin...So that would mean all sin is free and cleared...But of course the "land" will still punish you for breaking the law...

      Since Man still dies....Which is the punishment for sin (Transgression against God)... And Jesus died to pay for all sin (transgressions against God) of man... Men should no longer die...if the ask and are forgiven of their sins (Which should have been forgiven with the death of Jesus) and Believe...

      So Man is still paying for sin(Against God)...in spite of the death of Jesus..

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        There was no death in God's original plan, but b/c of Adam and Eve's sin, God took away that gift. Revocation of privilege, done. Nothing can be done to change this.

        Next, sin means to miss the mark. If a pilot sets off on a transatlantic journey and sets his navigational equipment, but is off by one degree, he will miss his destination by a shocking amount.  We cannot pay for our sin... no man is capable. So the blood of Jesus, offered to all, is a covering of that sin. We cannot enter Heaven filthy with sin... God wont allow it. We must allow Him to cleanse us.

        Lastly, this world is not Heaven. I've said it a hundred times here. It has its own laws, its own judges, its own rules... this is why abortion is legal... we are under a different rule here on earth. So as we break man's laws, we must pay man's price. Man calls them consequence for actions, God said "You reap what you sow." Either way, paying man's price has nothing to do with God. They will release you from prison when you've served your time, renewed heart or not. With God... not so much. It is *all* about the heart to Him. He is looking for repentance of sin, and a humbling of will to Him.

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image84
          DoubleScorpionposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I would argue your definition of sin...But I'll let you check up on that one...And yes the punishment for sin (disobeying God in Adam's case) was death...Prior to Jesus, animal sacrifice was the price to pay for this sin to allow for admittance to heaven. With the death of Jesus...he paid the ultimate price for all sin. Jesus was born to take away the sin of the world..

          Matthew 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."


          John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

          1Peter 1:18-19 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, ...but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.

          1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;


          If sin was taken away...Or paid for...then way is the price of death still being paid?

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I explained that.

            1. DoubleScorpion profile image84
              DoubleScorpionposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              With what you said...Sin was not taken away...Therefore it was not paid for...

              Jesus was simply a sacrifice that covered the sin to allow admittance into heaven...The same as the Animal Sacrifices of the Old Testament...

              God still requires a Death Sacrifice for the payment of sin...Which is the reason Mankind still dies...

              The death of Jesus did nothing to remove this sin...no saving from sin...no forgiveness of sin...it only covers it for admittance into heaven after the human dies as a sacrifice as well...

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Uh... no... Im not sure how we missed each other there.

                I said death entered the world as a consequence of original sin. Nothing will change concerning that... there is nothing we can do to revoke that. But that does not gain us entrance into Heaven.

                Next, Jesus came to be the payment for our sins, exactly as you said... God required a sacrifice in the OT, Jesus came to be that sacrifice... He would be the ram in the thicket... it was this covering... that would allow us attendance with God.

                1. DoubleScorpion profile image84
                  DoubleScorpionposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  And that is the point I was making. Jesus does not "save" one from sin (even though this is what the bible states)...He is simply a sacrifice that covers the sin...Just as are all humans that die...Death(Sacrifice) is still the payment for sin...

                  If we look at this from a logical point of view...The Death of Jesus is not of effect for anything...As the human still dies because of the original sin...And this death of Humans because of sin...is still in and of itself a sacrifice for sin...God still requires A sacrifice for payment of sin...

                  Only it is now a Human sacrifice only instead of an animal and fruits of the ground sacrifices that in the Old Testament allowed for humans to live for hundreds of years before the human portion was to be paid...

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I gotta be honest... I was done reading at this point. Once you toss the Bible to the side, we might as well talk about crop dusting. When it comes to God, you can't make up your own stuff. Ppl have done that in the past and it ends up with a bunch of ppl dead on a floor with a bunch of empty Kool Aid cups around them. If you add to the Bible or take away from the bible, it's just your own made up... crap. (Not to be unkind, just in general... it's all crap.)

                2. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, we know those fairy tales, Beth. Could you get back to reality, now?

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    What would *you like to talk about?

  17. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    Look at those brains goooo!!! The spirit of God makes one to see things similar to the way he sees.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Can I call you CG? I can never remember the spelling of the name you go by.

    1. Cgenaea profile image59
      Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Sure!  Genaea is difficult for many. Had to add the c from my last name when I quit the last time. smile

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Oh so Genaea is your first name? How is it pronounced?

    1. Cgenaea profile image59
      Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I say gin-aya

  20. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    Spirit HAS been shown to exist.  But it may as well be unicorns and leprechauns to you.

    1. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry, but that is completely false and since many of your claims are based on it, they too are false.

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You are right! For you, it is meaningless.  Maybe not ALWAYS...
        As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Do you actually think about all these fine platitudes/quotations or just run them through the Xerox machine in your bran and spit them back out indiscriminately?

          1. Cgenaea profile image59
            Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            The word of God is hidden in my heart.  He brings it to rememberancewhen needed.  I speak biblically.  You may Google a phrase or two if you wish. Most of it is in there in some form or another.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I take it that means that no, you don't think about them?  You don't try to fit them to the audience, you don't test them even mentally for correctness or truth - you just run them off the paper, and out the fingertips.

              I've wondered about how that works.

              1. Cgenaea profile image59
                Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Did I err??? Can you prove it if so?

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  How would I know if you erred?  You never actually answered the question.

                  But you should know - do you think about the platitudes before posting them?  Do "fit" them to your audience?  Do you check them for accuracy (beyond "biblical, so true")?  Do you think the listener will understand what you mean with them?

        2. A Troubled Man profile image61
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry, but talking gibberish isn't evidence.

  21. JMcFarland profile image91
    JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago

    No,  let's all take the time to follow beths point to its logical conclusion.   Beth admits that cgenaea was being condescending in her post,  but excuses it because according to Beth,  she was being "ganged up on and bullied" by a significant number of people who disagreed with her.  According to Beth,  it's perfectly acceptable to behave in a condescending manner when you're outnumbered.

    Christians far outnumber atheists in the United States.   Therefore,  Beth thinks it's perfectly acceptable for atheists to behave condescendingly to them,  and I'm sure (given her own logic) she will now come to the defense of atheists and stop trying to call them out for being "condescending" based on her own perception.

    Problem solved.

    1. Cgenaea profile image59
      Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Again. This conversation is not about Beth. Nor Genaea.  But, if the focus may be shifted to man.  Problem (for the enemy) solved.  Let's refocus... wink

  22. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    Oh! And Christians do not outnumber atheists. Not all who claims Christian status belong.

    1. JMcFarland profile image91
      JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No true Scottsman fallacy.

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Come again... I'm American smile

        1. JMcFarland profile image91
          JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Yes,  and it's abundantly clear why you are not able to distinguish or avoid logical fallacies.

          Incidentally,  critical thinking classes (and debate classes) usually cover logical fallacies.   Just sayin.

          1. Cgenaea profile image59
            Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Logical fallacy is Scotsman fallacy?

            1. JMcFarland profile image91
              JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              No. 

              The "No true scottsman" logical fallacy is one out of many logical fallacies.   There's a long list,  and you like to use them a lot.  The goal of an intellectually honest person is to avoid using fallacies and being honest.   If you don't even know what a logical fallacy is generally,  you should probably research all of them.

              1. Cgenaea profile image59
                Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Now we have a problem.  From whose viewpoint is the fallacy list made?

                1. JMcFarland profile image91
                  JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Logical fallacies are a list of commonly used tactics in debates,  philosophy and logic.   They are impartial and can be used by anyone and pointed out by anyone.   They are simply a list of fallacious arguments and statements that should not be used by anyone attempting intellectually honest conversation.   It's not from anyone's viewpoint, and every critical thinking or debate class I have ever attended or audited has covered them.

                  1. Cgenaea profile image59
                    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Why, thank you! smile I appreciate the clarity.  (Back to bragging???) However,  as you may now see, I based my claim (once again) on the bible.  I didn't say what I said because I said it or dreamed it; I said what I said because the bible says it. My comments were in response to the fallacious claim that Christians outnumber Atheists.
                    Are we clear now?

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Still not understanding? If you take the time to look up what Julie told you to you might save yourself some embarrassment.

      2. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I was posting to you. I don't understand a Scotsman fallacy.

        1. JMcFarland profile image91
          JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          If you don't understand what a logical fallacy is,  I would recommend looking it up.   Google the "no true scottsman" logical fallacy since you don't understand what it is,  or how you just used it.

          1. Cgenaea profile image59
            Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't use it i was trying to get clarification, but thanks.

            1. JMcFarland profile image91
              JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You did,  actually.   You said

              "No,  Christians don't outnumber atheists because a lot of people claiming to be Christians are not "true" Christians. "

              That is an example of the no true scottsman fallacy.

              People who are forced to resort to the use of easily recognizable logical fallacies are people who practice intellectual dishonesty who cannot make valid points without the use of fallacious claims.

              1. Cgenaea profile image59
                Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Aha! But what if I was not familiar with the term? No true  Scotsman fallacy sounds like NO true Christians or something.  I will look it up. But the bible states that not many choose this path. The bible is true. Therefore there cannot be as many yeas as nays.

                1. JMcFarland profile image91
                  JMcFarlandposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Ignorance of a term does not make you immune from committing a logical fallacy or using a fallacious argument.   

                  That's like saying "well I didn't know that pre martial sex was considered a sin,  so I'm not guilty of sinning"

                  1. Cgenaea profile image59
                    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    God does not hold you responsible for what you don't know. Though the bible does say that his words are written in our hearts.
                    My ignorance of the thingy makes me innocent smile
                    But my argument is not fallacious.  It is God-breathed;  I mean biblical.

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                  Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  If I may, the way the No True Scotsman applies in debates between two Christians is whenever one Christian accuses another of not being a "real" Christian because there are two different beliefs of the meaning of something that is written in the bible(especially when both believe they are using the Holy Spirit)

                  1. Cgenaea profile image59
                    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Ok, so we are swimming upstream.  Who started it??? smile thanks. There was not another Christian in the bunch. See how well we outsmart ourselves?

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Opps, you've made a statement based on your opinion. You are assuming the bible is true and expect other to make the same assumption. The bible also says girls who rare found to not be virgins on their wedding night should be killed. Do you think that's a true statement?

                  1. Cgenaea profile image59
                    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, let me show you critical thinking. You asserted that there were more Christians than not. In that case, more people believe the bible is true. Yes? So WHO then is making fallacious statements?

  23. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    I'll be back...

  24. Rev Bruce Jackson profile image81
    Rev Bruce Jacksonposted 3 years ago

    Faith starts with acceptance.  For the Judeo-Christian faith, it starts as Genesis opens with 'in the beginning God. . ." We are to believe Him as an authority since He pre-existed our own notion of the beginning of anything, even ourselves.

    1. Cgenaea profile image59
      Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you, Sir. I do believe that.

  25. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    Anybody speak Canadian?  wink

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Sure, he wants you to click on the url.

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        Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Are you sure?

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Who is the one who understands Canadian here?

          1. Cgenaea profile image59
            Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Lol

          2. Cgenaea profile image59
            Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Let me know what happens. 
            Lil curious.

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              To what? What happens to what?

      2. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        smile you are SO helpful. 
        Thanks Sweetie.

  26. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    I can 'cipher 100% I'm just THAT smart. smile I just can't tell if it's 100% money back or 100% computer crash.

  27. Cgenaea profile image59
    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago

    From what I understand with my "limited capacity for rational thought" wink is that, indoctrination is something you were taught, and then clung to without question. If so, it does not describe my stance at all.
    It is much easier to believe God in my own opinion.  My way NEVER works.  His way does. To compare people or situations wastes time. The STANDARD is written. 
    The element of fear and emotional need is fascinating. Can anyone imagine how it must feel to be compelled to constantly go on and on about someone ELSE'S imagination; unABLE to mind your own business???  Must be maddening.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      One strange and bizarre post. Did you post this just to get a reaction?

      Minding ones own business in a public forum where we are supposed to be exploring and exchanging ideas.

      Knocking one ones door or calling someone in an attempt to change there opinion is not what we do here.

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I said nothing about knocking on one's door. But if the door says bible/God (something of which some have no opinion about other than to say "You're crazy!") then who is the imposer???
        Reaction (response/idea)?  Yes, reactions are good in a public forum. Thanks wink

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You just contradicted yourself. lol

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Oh...???

    3. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Of course it is easier to believe in a god.  Unquestioning belief, without the effort to find truth, is always easier. 

      If it is Maddening to be unABLE to mine one's own business the evangelists of the Christian world must be far around the bend indeed. lol

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Unquestioning??? My QUESTIONS were answered. There were many. wink
        Evangelists are not supposed to be "personally" invested. The messages of God speak for themselves.  It is about God, not the messenger.  Not "maddening" in any way. smile

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Were you not told about God as a Child?

      1. Cgenaea profile image59
        Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Yes. You?

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          So you were indoctrinated.

          1. Cgenaea profile image59
            Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Weren't we all told about God as a child? Is that all it takes to become indoctrinated?

            1. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Successful indoctrination is when you accept God.

              1. Cgenaea profile image59
                Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Really?  So the fact that I "accepted" God is proof of "successful" indoctrination?  I guess...
                Truthfully, it took me a while to come to accept.  The whole truth was distorted for "tithe and offering" I did not come to know God until I studied it myself.  smile one or two too many "contradictions" sent me running to the pages. I got the guided tour from God himself.  Don't ever let anyone tell you he's too busy. smile

                1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Absolutely.



                  The Bible is not proof of anything.



                  No, you didn't. That now goes beyond indoctrination to delusion.

                  1. Cgenaea profile image59
                    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Cute smile
                    Only spirit may prove spirit.  When you get there, this conversation will be much HAPPIER for you. There's no way to do it your way. So, if you feel that it makes me appear or feel superior to have a gift that you don't, you are wrong. I feel "blessed" to be able to share, but not superior or special.  I'm just like you in many ways... delusional?  Not a chance. smile

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Do you really expect us to believe that nonsense?

                  1. Cgenaea profile image59
                    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Nope.

                3. getitrite profile image79
                  getitriteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  The time frame does not matter.  You ACCEPTED it.



                  And that should have confirmed that the whole thing was BS.



                  There are over 38,000 denominations of Christianity out there....each claiming that God guided them to the "TRUTH" in the bible.  So your boasting doesn't hold up, as you are likely just another misguided victim of our indoctrination.   God should probably stop giving these personal tours.   



                  Looks like He is too busy.....causing hurricanes in the Philippines that He can't even find time to feed the starving children, or save the little boys from abusive priests.  Your God lets them die or be abused, yet you say He's not too busy...for you?  How can believers justify such callous selfishness?

                  1. Cgenaea profile image59
                    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    What you see as callous is actually something else. Those of us who trust God know that we may be in the next disaster. And we're ok live or die. It brings peace,  "yea tho I walk through the valley of the shadows of death, I will fear NO evil for thou art with me."
                    You mad at God... your arms are too short...
                    Of those 38,000 denominations, a few will be plucked from each one. smile God sees the heart.
                    God sees the "calamity" too. He promised it would happen.
                    You forget that...

            2. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              As a living, breathing thing, real in every sense?

              No - most of the world does not find the Christian myth to be truth and would not subject a child to such teachings.  As a myth, maybe, along with the other gods man has made, but not as something real.

              1. Cgenaea profile image59
                Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks for pointing that out. So "indoctrinated" is my adjective?  What do we call it when one is "taught" to despise God and his word, as a child???

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Why in the world would anyone teach their children to despise an imaginary thing or the speeches it is claimed to have made?  Such a parent, seems to me, is in desperate need of psychiatric help as they recognize the god for the myth it is and then teach it as real.  One does not despise a myth.  At most one despises the people that believe the myth, and even that doesn't make much sense as we all make mistakes.

                  1. Cgenaea profile image59
                    Cgenaeaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    See??? Hmmm... what were YOU taught as a child? Seems obvious;  but I'll bite...