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Why do Some Believers are Bad People?

  1. jainismus profile image79
    jainismusposted 3 years ago

    Why do a large number of religious people who believe in God behave like evils? Why they are greedy, jealous, haters, angry and even criminals?

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      While not all religious people are bad some are. There may be a few reasons for this.

      1. Human nature.
      2. They don't really believe in an afterlife, they just pretend they do.
      3. Sometimes biblical ethics can stunt moral/ethical maturity which leaves them at the "avoid punishment" phase rather than maturing to understand why one shouldn't harm others.

      Sometimes I believe it's a combination of all of the above. One of the first things we are taught about God is that he is always watching and always judging (same as with Santa). But what happens if in the back of ones mind one starts to question if God exist. One suddenly realizes no one is watching or judging and if they are left with moral maturity they do anything they want.

      IMHO

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        Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Rad, this is a great answer...and I think there is a lot if truth to it.  Sadly, many believers will be offended by it just because it came from an atheist, but it's really nothing more than plain, unvarnished truth.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I know, but I did put a disclaimer in the first sentence as to not offend everyone. BTW, I try not to offend, but these conversations can't happen without it.

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            Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            The minute someone hears an opinion from a person who holds a different fundamental view of life than they do, they are prepared to fight...even when they agree.  We always run into it in religious discussions.  I've run into it as regards politics as well, especially here...and it works both ways.  Sometimes just staying that you disagree with someone is enough for them to label you the " other."

    2. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That is what scriptures teaches it's followers. You'll find that those who follow their scriptures closely behave as you describe, while those who say they are religious but usually don't follow scriptures behave much better. You'll find ample examples of that right here on these forums.

  2. Ericdierker profile image78
    Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago

    I can speak very directly for me. Perhaps that will help understand others. I am just a bad man sometimes. I do apologize. I try not to be a hypocrite. But I know that I am one at times.

    To be really frank, I am one who tries really hard not to be a bad man. But I still fail. I have both moral maturity (as Rad Man speaks of) and I suppose I have some fear to motivate me. Mostly I try to do good from a selfish point of view. It makes me feel better than doing bad.

    I simply have no excuse for acting poorly toward my fellow man.

    The easiest thing for me to say would be that I am born a sinner and so it is natural that I do bad and only through God's Grace that I overcome that. And even if I somewhat believe that I cannot rest on that idea. It sounds like an excuse and almost a license to act badly.

    Here is some good news. As I mature I truly believe that I am being bad less of the time. Mostly as Rad Man points out that is because I am getting better at discerning right and wrong and growing in discipline to conform to the goal.

    Here is a very hard part: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I have to try to rebuke evil but it is very hard when you know that you in fact also do evil.

    I hope that this gives some insight. And I hope that I make it clear that there is no excuses and no real reason as a whole. I swear that I really try not to do harm, but I still do.
    Here is some good and bad news. I am a teacher and preacher. The bad news is when people see me act poorly then it reflects on Christians much more severely. The good part about that is that it allows others to see that we are after progress and not perfection.

    1. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No, the bad part is that you are a preacher, which is what shows you to not only be a hypocrite, but shows that you are spreading the bad things that religions teach.

      Just stop preaching and all will be good with yourself and everyone else around you. smile

      1. Ericdierker profile image78
        Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        ATM I never preach at you. You are my very sensitive little atheist teddy bear.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image59
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          But, you are a self-professed preacher, and if you ever have to wonder whatever bad things you believe are inherent of you, that is first and foremost.

          1. Ericdierker profile image78
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            As often is the case your cryptic response leaves nothing to even think about.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image59
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Or, more likely, you will just go on preaching, pissing everyone off as a result.

              1. Ericdierker profile image78
                Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                ATM have you ever played golf or gone fishing with a doctor? Even though he did not give you a medical opinion, Did you cuss him the whole time for being a doctor?
                Probably not because no doctor would invite you. See I am being harsh for your own good.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You are presenting a false scenario, doctors are not preachers who spread the gospel regardless if people don't want to hear it. Being a preacher is a completely selfish act, it has nothing to do with anyone else but the preacher.

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    You need to learn this phrase, "In my opinion..."

                  2. Ericdierker profile image78
                    Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Really?
                    Your hate just oozes from the words you write. I think that you answer this question very well by the path I have led you down. Doing bad is not a religious thing. It is just a bad thing that does not trace back to one's religious devotion.
                    You see sometimes us preachers help others to understand, and I admit it is very selfish. I do not debate with you to convert you, but rather so that others can see our differences.
                    God Bless you ATM.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The problem is with the word sin. I don't think it's a valid representation of wether one is a good person or not. I think that if we all focused on being better people and not worrying so much about church or work on Sunday we'd have a better place. So what if I work on Sunday, perhaps I take Saturday off instead. These type of sins are completely meaningless and serve only to distract from the good that people do. Example, I just had a phone call from a very valid charity. She asked me if I'd go door to door in my area and ask for donations. I asked her if she was volunteering her time and she eventually replied no. So she wants me to go door to door to pay her salary. I wonder if she is at church on Sunday morning.

      1. Ericdierker profile image78
        Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Somewhere there is a Father Sarducci bit on big sin and little sin. Too Too funny.
        That is just too weird --- someone getting paid to go door to door. Oh well I will still get them lemonade and a seat in the shade.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          No no no. She wanted me to volunteer my time to ask others for money to pay her salary.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Well, yes.  How else can she justify her time spent asking people to beg if they don't produce money to pay her to ask people to beg?

            Sadly, that is the way of most charities.  And why I still look for the red buckets with a bell ringing this time of year.

          2. Ericdierker profile image78
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I am sorry but now that really cracks me up. I know I should be praying for her, but that one is just to silly.
            OTOH I think Mary Magdeline gives some precedent for such behavior. Just saying ;-)

      2. MizBejabbers profile image89
        MizBejabbersposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Rad, i think that sin is in the eye of the beholder. As long as a person follows the 10 commandments he or she won't be harming his fellow man. Whether he works on Sunday or goes dancing on Saturday night is only sinning in the eyes of certain beholders, of which one is predisposed to ignore. By the way the 10 commandments didn't originate in the bible, despite the story of Moses, so one doesn't have to be a Christian to follow them.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Actually, sin is taught, so the eye of the beholder stuff is irrelevant. It a means to control people a few thousand years ago. We have laws in place now, none of them have anything to do with working on Sunday.

          1. Ericdierker profile image78
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Oops Rad Man -- many laws have to do with working on Sunday. Most Unions have contracts regarding same. Many states and counties still prohibit booze sales for much or part of Sunday.
            (I do not know exactly how the NFL deals with it) Last I checked --- very few government offices or services are open or available on Sunday. Guess what Sunday is a day off in Communist Vietnam.

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Sure, but go get gas or go out to eat. That's where all the part timers are. There is alway someone working or else most crimes would happen on Sunday or no cops would be on duty. Do we tell the police they are sinful for saving our lives on a Sunday? Are there no Communist Vietnamese police on duty on Sunday? Do the hospitals shut down on Sunday and leave all the emergencies and patients waiting for Monday?

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      What a good answer Eric.

 
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