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LDS: DNA proving that the BofM is a lie.

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    passingthewordposted 2 years ago

    The book of mormon teaches that the American Indians were from Israel. That is the corner stone of their faith. DNA proved that the American Indians were not from Israel but in fact were from Asian descent. Proving that the BofM is a lie and a fictional book.

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      wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      From the country of Israel, no.  From the same geographical area of the world?  Absolutely.

      I have to add that it is quite sad to see so much hatred from one person.  A little tolerance can go a long way towards erasing that most damaging of emotions from within us all.

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        christiananrkistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        i dont really understand the hatred comment. to who is that referring?

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          wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Lately there has been a rash of new threads started, all condemning the Mormons for their faith.  All by the same person. 

          Somebody hates the Mormon faith, if not Mormons themselves.

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            christiananrkistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            i see. there was a question recently in the Q&A section that asked if atheist hated God or something of that nature. 1 or 2 responses was somewhere along the lines of not hating God, but being mad at or not liking believers. then whenever this type of question or discussion comes up, i almost always see this quote from at least 1 person. "more wars have been fought over religion than anything else". not only have i never seen proof of it, its hard to believe wealth and power wouldnt be the leading cause. anyway, my point of all this is just to say i understand the concern.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I believe that Native Americans were of Asian descent.
              but what does it matter?
              Why would the Mormons think otherwise? And why would it be important to them?
              to consider this topic will show us how the Mormon religion has gotten off track, and as we all know… religions do go off track!

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, Native Americans were of Asian descent, coming across the landbridge in Alaska.  And before that, the Asians were of African descent, as were all men.

                If the Mormons think otherwise, well, that's what happens when you depend on peoples from years ago for your science.  It's wrong.

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                christiananrkistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                im not disagreeing the DNA, archaeological, and historical evidence dont look good for the mormon religion. im not disputing that. i was just commenting on the hate towards mormons really. that i disagree with.

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                passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Religion gets of track yes.. But not the bible

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Got it.  All religions get off track, except yours.  That one is always right.  A well thought out concept.

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                    passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Mine? It's the bible... I have nothing to do with its contents.

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                    CJ Simonelliposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    "Religions" based on Christianity get off track; idolatry and related religions were never on track; ancient Judaism as a religion got off track when the people of God closed their ears/eyes to the Spirit and never recognized the fulfillment of their scriptures through Jesus Christ (but God has yet a plan for their salvation, just as he had a plan for every other nation's salvation when he opened the Way for us all). Passingtheword is making the distinction between "religion" and the real thing, which includes an actual relationship with the one true God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and the Spirit inspired and maintained Word (what we call the Bible). Since the Spirit leads us into all truth and since God's Word (which became flesh in Jesus) is given to us, we want to be careful when following any "religion" or leader, since we then can easily get off track ourselves. We do well to make sure we are following the true Word, not any person. The true gospel is for ALL people, from every nation and tribe! It may even one day be yours because God is awesome in power, and all things are possible, and because he is a loving and forgiving God. And I pray exactly that, Wilderness - I pray you are my yet unborn brother-in-Christ who will have his spiritual eyes opened and become zealous for the Lord, even as you are now zealous in the things of the world. In Jesus' name. Amen.

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                  psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  So, I assume you stone people on a regular basis.

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                    passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Who?

                3. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Really?  The native Americans came across the Bering strait over 14,000 years ago - long before Adam and Eve.  Long before, in fact, the earth was created according to the bible that does not get off track.

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                    christiananrkistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    how do you know when adam and eve were alive?

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                    passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Genises 1:1 In the beginning God created...
                    Genises 1:2 earth was void. Take the word was to the Hebrew and it means became void. So the earth was created then destroyed . No one knows when Genises 1:1accured. And if you read the bible it said that man was created on the sixth day God rested on the seventh day then he created  Adam. The bible is still on track. You have to study the bible if your going to sat that.

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                    CJ Simonelliposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    The age of the earth is not written in the Word, and conclusions about it depend on the concept of "day" in the creation account - does "day" represent a time period, or were events greatly sped up during creation? (It's interesting that the evolutionist's theory as to the order of evolution follows the biblical account of creation, so that evolutionists unwittingly provide support for creationism). The amount of time that Adam and Eve were in the garden is also unknown. We can't determine the age of the earth from the Word, but we also can't trust the world's account of the age of the earth because the dating methods are absurdly flawed, as shown when rocks of known age are "dated". For example, in the case of Mount St. Helens, the 1980  volcanic rock was dated by the radiometric method as being 2.8 million years old!

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                  Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  You mean the book that teaches us how to beat our slaves?

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              passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I've read that more people have died by communist countries then religious wars

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                christiananrkistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                that wouldnt surprise me either. i think on the large scale of things religion is probably not as high on the mass crazy killer list and some would like it to be.

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                  Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  You do know why Hitler killed all those Jewish men women and children right?

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                    Emile Rposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Belief in superior and sub races triggered the Holocaust. You might find this link interesting.

                    http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/oldsite/ … 12HTML.htm

        2. psycheskinner profile image79
          psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Look at OP's posting history.  All he does here is slag of Mormons.  Very negative.

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        passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Where is the hate. Growing up as a Mormon all of this was hidden  from me. I was told if i read or entertained things like this i was not going to the celestial kingdom. The lds church really wanted to keep you under their thumb. Read what i tell you believe what i tell you. The bible tells us to test all things even itself. Hatred no... Sharing what was hidden from me all of my life... Yes.

        1. psycheskinner profile image79
          psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          The hate is in coming to this website and going on and on and on about it.  Seriously, you never even made a hub.  It is like bursting into a knitting circle, never knitting anything, and spending two whole years yelling about the freemasons.  I don't care is you get over it and move on, I just don't want to hear about it any more.

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            passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Move on then....

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              Shanna11posted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Give me an honest answer, and leave any of the whole "I NEED TO TELL YOU THIS AND THIS ABOUT MORMONISM" spiel out of it for five minutes.

              Why are you here? On Hubpages, specifically. There's like four Mormons here, a bunch of religious people and atheists who like to yell at each other and will never change their opinions and a whole horde of people who don't give a flip about Mormons or anything you'll ever have to say. So what's the point? You are getting absolutely zero return out of this shoddy investment and it just baffles me. Surely if you really wanted to spread the word about whatever it is you're going on about, you would do it in a much more productive manner-- where more people who actually care will see it? Where you're more likely to actually convince someone or something? I mean, this is just basic economics here. Absolutely nothing is being achieved here and the absolute waste of effort is getting to me more than the actual anti-Mormon novel you appear to be writing over a series of threads. Like, go somewhere else where people will actually give a care.

              Why have you chosen such a shoddy vehicle to share a message that appears to be so important to you? Why Hubpages when there are so many better options?

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                passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Shannan I just need to share what i have learned. The Lds church needs to be exposed. All of my comments reflect hubs. I am showing that all of the Lds stuff is made up. And thing to distance Lds from the true and only God. Like a told you before this page is something i do a few minutes a week even a month. My stage is on the campus of byu....well was my stage. But before i left we had over 70 student that were teaching the falsehood of the Lds church. That is teaching.... and it is still going on now. Shannan you see hate  what i am doing is showing that the Lds church are hiding and lying  to people. Something simple like the America Indians are Jews. Which is a lie. It's a lie... You don't  see that?

                1. Shanna11 profile image91
                  Shanna11posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  My name is Shanna, not Shannan. I know what I believe and I know why I believe it. I will not try to convince you of anything, nor will I explain myself. I am firm in my convictions. You cannot sway me or alter my beliefs, that I promise you.

                  1. EncephaloiDead profile image60
                    EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    That's a very interesting thing to say, however it does show closed mindedness. You would be hard pressed to find a single non-believer who wouldn't immediately become a believer if a God ever presented Himself to the world, whether it was Jesus, Allah or Zeus, they would alter their beliefs in a heartbeat.

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                    passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    That is fine. My job is to get those who are not as brain wash as you to see the whole truth. And it has worked and is still working. With in two years almost my whole family have left the Lds church. 4 generations!! Over two hundred that i and my friends have seen. This will not stop.

                2. HowardBThiname profile image90
                  HowardBThinameposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Since Israel is located on the Asian Continent - what's the big deal?

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                Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                I think he is serving a noble purpose. He is attempting to educated people about the practices of the Mormons and possible even educate some of the Mormons. Secret handshakes one needs to get into heaven? Stories make up so men can have multiple wives and slaves. Blatant racism.

                These things need to be exposed. Why does it bother you that he exposes them?

                1. psycheskinner profile image79
                  psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't see "your religion is wrong" and "my religion is right" as serving any higher purpose.  It is swapping one indoctrination for another.

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                    Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    I get that. Set aside that he/she just switched sides and look at the information he is giving. The more I read about the Morman's the more I'm flabbergasted. Did you know that the only reason they ended the blatant racism is because Jimmy Carter told them that they would take away their tax exemptions?

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      CJ Simonelliposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Here is an interesting read and one you may want to use sometime:

      How I Escaped the Mormon Temple

      After being in the LDS Church for 30 years, I began reading the New Testament. What was there shocked me.

      On a Friday in January 2006, at home in Alpine, Utah, I received a phone call from my third son, Micah, that changed my life.

      My family and I loved living in "Zion," the result of a decision that my husband, Michael, and I had made as young adults to join the Mormon Church. For eight years, I had been a professor at Brigham Young University (BYU), the flagship school of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS). Michael was a high priest, a bishopric member and high counselor, temple worker, seminary teacher, and Sunday school president. Our first son, Josh, and second son, Matt, had served the church's obligatory two-year evangelizing missions. Our daughter Katie pleased church leaders as well with her faith in Jesus Christ and Joseph Smith.

      I looked down on Christians who followed the Bible. They had part of the gospel, but I had the fullness of it. I kept the laws and ordinances of Mormonism. When I took the sacrament of leavened bread and water each week at our Sunday meeting house, I was letting the sin janitor sweep away all iniquity. I believed the Mormon Church secured my eternal life.

      Life in Zion

      My husband and I had joined the LDS Church at age 25 after Mormon missionaries knocked on our front door. We had both attended Protestant churches growing up, but we rarely if ever read the Bible. We assumed that joining was a Christian option (85 percent of LDS converts come from biblical Christianity). We were unprepared to counter the missionaries.

      Immediately and always active in the church, we raised our four children in the faith in Indiana. Serving untold hours in church callings, reading Mormon scripture, tithing, attending meetings, keeping a health code, and doing genealogy so we could redeem the dead in the temple—these were a few of our offerings to the Mormon God.

      In all the years of serving the church, I thought I knew Jesus. We believed he was born first as a spirit child to Heavenly Father and Mother, and came to Earth to receive a body. He atoned for our sins in the Garden. Like the Pharisee in Luke 18, I thought I knew him better than others through the exclusive instruction I received in the temple.

      In 1999, I completed my doctorate in education and was hired at BYU. We moved to Zion.

      And life was good there. On Sundays we sang:


      Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
      Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
      Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom,
      Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

      Sound like Jesus? Nope, this hymn is about Joseph Smith. Here's the first verse:

      Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
      Jesus anointed that Prophet and Seer.
      Blessed to open the last dispensation,
      Kings will extol him and nations revere.

      Like Heavenly Father and Jesus before him—like Smith himself—Michael was working to become a god. This is one reason we attended the temple regularly.

      Expulsion

      Then, something unexpected interrupted our perfect Mormon life.

      Three weeks before the end of his two-year mission, Micah called to tell us he was being sent home early—a horrific disgrace in Mormon culture. He had been reading the New Testament. There he encountered a different Jesus than the one I was taught about in Mormonism—a God of grace, not of works, so that no one can boast. Micah was riveted.

      To a roomful of missionaries at his parting testimony, Micah had professed faith in Jesus alone and not the Mormon Church. He told them he had found a deep and genuine faith—one that didn't include Mormonism. It did not go over well. Church leaders told us that Micah had the spirit of the Devil in him, sent him home, and subsequently, back in Utah, invited us to bring him before the high council. To prevent excommunication, we put Micah on a plane out of Utah. His expulsion put our family in turmoil.

      When he boarded the plane in Utah to begin a band and ministry in Florida, Micah pleaded, "Mom and Dad, please read the New Testament." We commenced. As I read, I became increasingly consumed by reading about the God of grace. I barely ate or slept. It's all I wanted to do.

      After Micah's expulsion, questions about Mormonism that I had harbored for years—about my patriarchal blessing, about the church's history of racism, about the scope of Christ's atonement—kicked into high gear. I heeded Micah's advice, and began reading the Bible in translations easier to understand than the LDS-authorized King James Version.

      In John's gospel, I read, "These are the very scriptures that testify of me yet you refuse to come to me to have life." Salvation did not require the Mormon Church, only Jesus. I began to see clearly that Mormonism taught a different gospel than what the Bible taught.

      When I read what Jesus said in John 6:44, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them," I knew I was being drawn—sucked, pulled, conveyed, transported. In physics, an event horizon is a boundary beyond which the gravitational pull is so powerful that there is no escape. This was my event horizon. As I read the Bible, my appetite for God grew exponentially. I felt myself drawn to him at an ever-increasing speed.

      Then, on a chilly October evening in 2006, Michael and I settled in with Katie in our basement to watch the movie Luther. My heart pounded as I learned of the reformer's struggle against the Catholic Church. I seemed to be facing a similar struggle: Did I believe the Mormon system of obedience to laws and ordinances would secure my forgiveness? Or did I believe what the Bible taught, that Jesus alone was the Way, the Truth, and the Life?

      That night, speeding toward the point of no return, I lay face-down on the carpet, arms extended, and cried out to Jesus, "I am yours. Save me." Instantly I was sucked over.

      From that point on, God became personal. I talked with him. He sometimes answered. I had stark dreams. Once I surrendered my will to his, he seemed to be gently leading me somewhere. He showed up at unexpected times and taught me through other people and through circumstances, through the Word and during prayer. It was bizarre at first—unnerving. I'd never experienced anything like this. Some days I pulled back to catch my breath. He got me a job I hadn't applied for so I could leave BYU. He sold our home the day after we resigned from the Mormon Church. This must be what Christians call a personal relationship with Jesus.

      I discovered this Jesus could not be confined by the laws and ordinances of a religion. Jesus is real. This palpable relationship transformed me.

      Comforting Blood

      About a month after Katie came to Christ, she dreamed of a stone courtyard in the shape of a circle. She saw herself as a small girl, led by a man through the one entrance, which looked like a sheep gate. There were small pools of blood on the ground, but she wasn't afraid. This courtyard was where Jesus had been beaten and whipped until near-death. The blood was his.

      Katie looked right at the man, who was wearing a cream-colored robe and a shawl over his head, and immediately trusted him. He knelt in the dirt to gaze at her, directly at eye level. Taking the shawl off his head, he touched it to the bloodstained ground and gently began to cover her with the blood, starting with her forehead. He smiled at her as if she were the joy set before him.

      This is the Jesus my family and I now know. He loves me personally. I devour his Word and find him there. He knows me and teaches me. I do not need the laws and ordinances of the Mormon Church to be saved. Only my beloved Jesus.

      Lynn Wilder is the author of Unveiling Grace: The Story of How We Found Our Way Out of the Mormon Church (Zondervan).

      Retrieved from: http:/wwwchristianitytoday.com/ct/2013/December/how-I-escaped-Mormon-lds-temple.html?paging=off

    3. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I am not a Mormon, but having been referred to as an "Indian" in the past (I prefer Tsalagi,Cherokee,or Indigenous) you may find my opinion interesting.I see the Book of Mormon ,and all religions as a collective  Moral Technology. Like all technologies it continues to evolve. The question of truth or fiction is an interesting topic for debate, but as far as the usefulness of a particular religion is concerned,I feel it has no bearing.Without morality we are doomed as a species.Consequently,any religion that inspires good will among men is essentially "true" because it has fulfilled it's purpose,regardless of any falsehoods that may arise along the way.

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        Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        But the Book of Mormon inspires racism, slavery and polygamy. What purpose is that fulfilling?

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          wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I haven't read the entire Book of Mormon,and it's been a while, but if what you are saying is true,then according to my definition of Moral Technology, ( must teach positive values that are beneficial to all) The Book of Mormon is a false teaching in all respects.

  2. Tom Zegan profile image60
    Tom Zeganposted 2 years ago

    The bigger the lie the more will believe it. - Joseph Goebbels (Adolf Hitler's Propaganda Minister)

  3. debhansencsm profile image60
    debhansencsmposted 2 years ago

    Even the Apostle Paul taught throughout all Asia, converting many to the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Acts 19:26). The Israelites had access to Asia and those whom Paul converted, were adopted into the House of Israel by covenant (Romans 9:4; Ephesians 2:11-22).

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      wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I rather doubt that Paul made it to what is now China, Tibet or Siberia.  Not even Korea or Vietnam and probably not to most of Russia.

      Rather extreme exaggeration, then, much like the world wide flood destroying all life that we know never happened.

      1. debhansencsm profile image60
        debhansencsmposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        There is no reasoning to be made among people who don't even believe in what the Bible says, so It's kind of useless even trying to share anything.

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          wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Nice rationalization!  Does that mean you have something to share beyond a wild story dreamed up by somebody liking the idea that Paul spread Christianity to Siberia?

  4. debhansencsm profile image60
    debhansencsmposted 2 years ago

    I have much I can share, but I cannot share it here where there is so much strife.  Instead I will pray for you and all the others who display so much hatred and persecute the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Matthew 5:44-48). So much so that you feel a need to continually cause contention which is contrary to what the disciples of Christ are asked to do (Proverbs 26:21; Titus 3:8-11; 1 Corinthians 3:1-3; 10:30-33; 14:33; 2 Timothy 2:14-26; James 3:13-18).

    We (as members of the Church) know that we should work toward forgiving those who did this offense and let God be the judge who rewards all of us according to our deeds. The Savior said to His disciples, "I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good unto them that hate you and pray for them which despitefully use you: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in Heaven...(Matthew 5:44-45). "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another" (John 13:34-35; see also Chapter 15). The Savior has spoken so clearly on forgiving others that there is little room for private interpretation. He said, "I the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men (D&C 64:10).

    There is nothing that will bring more joy to us than to be kind, considerate, charitable, long-suffering, and ready and willing to forgive the trespasses of others against us, and there is nothing that will bring more condemnation to us than to harden our hearts and to be bitter and vindictive in our feelings towards those by whom we are surrounded.

    On several occasions before Jesus Christ was crucified He tried to comfort and console His apostles concerning persecution. Jesus said, "These things I command you, that ye love one another. If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you" (John 15:17-19; see also John 5:16; 15:20).

    "Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold your reward is great in heaven: for in like manner did their fathers unto the prophets" (Luke 6:22-23). These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world (John 16:33).

    I think persecution is kind of strange because the people who promote it think that they are doing God a service and yet it goes against the very commandment the Savior repeatedly admonished His disciples to keep, and that is, to love one another.

    I believe that all of the scripture references I have given reveal that we can't hate, revile, harm or persecute others and then say that we are disciples of Christ" (Matthew 7:15-23; 24:5-15). Christ warned that there would be others that would come in His name who were not really His disciples or prophets, He said, "Ye shall know them by their fruits."

    In conclusion, I believe it would be a much better use of time for these people to come and add their faith with the faith of others to find ways to work together for the cause of good. I know that people can change and they can become an advocate for good. The Apostle Paul persecuted the church of God in his past, but turned around and became a strong advocate for building up the Lord's kingdom upon the earth (Galatians 1:11-16; Acts 9:10-22; 13:9).

    I sincerely forgive the people who feel like they need to persecute others this for what ever reason. I pray that the Lord will help them recognize they err and forgive them. May God bless you all.

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      Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Are you attempting to use your religious beliefs to shut people up? Censoring people using your personal beliefs?

      1. debhansencsm profile image60
        debhansencsmposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Rad Man, I will be happy to answer your question if you can deny that posts like this are only meant to shut Mormon's up; or in other words cause others to fear so many don't seek for the truth that we have (Isaiah 29:13).

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          Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Forums like this are designed to educate people on the goings on of a specific religion. If the religion has nothing to hide then there would be no harm in discussing the practices. Mormons are free to show the errors that are being submitted.

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          passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Theses post are just information. Not to shut down Mormon. What have i posted that is not true?

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          passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          The bible is the truth. That is why Joseph smith send it is full of errors. Because he wants to hide the truth from Mormons in order to spread his own doctrine.

          1. JMcFarland profile image92
            JMcFarlandposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            how do you prove that the Bible is the truth when it contradicts itself, is not historically accurate and condones genocide and slavery which in today's terms are morally repugnant?  Or do you just want to SAY it's the truth and not know how to back it up?

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              passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Tell me some contradictions. Of the top of your head. Don't search the internet for now.

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                JMcFarlandposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Who went to jesus tomb?   When did they go?   What did they find?  What did they do with the information?   Unless you're claiming that Jesus died on two separate occasions,  John says that he died on the preparation day for the passover, while the three synoptic gospels say that he died on passover.  What were his last words.  Now. .. since I did it all off the top of my head as requested,  you cannot consult the Bible or any apologist material to answer them.

                Aside from all of that,  you failed to answer my question,  only my accusation.   How do you prove the Bible is true?   Even if you can do mental gymnastics to excuse away the contradictions,  it doesn't prove that the book is true,  and without the veracity of the Bible,  you have nothing.

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                  passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  (You have nothing) lol. Give me a chance. Ok passover day was also called preration. Preparing for the three meals of that feast. It is somewhere in leviticus. To explain more i have to open my bible. But ill do it later. And in order to give you a seat on other account I must open my Bible. Give me a little bit.. Why do i know its true? The prophecy of Isaiah Where is says Israel became a nation again , will have to defend themselves against Five Nations , That they would defeat the five nations Due to the power of God. That they were received the nation without a fight. This all occurred in 1948. I have a lot more but I must open my Bible. Give me a little bit. The Hyksos ( I know it's spelled wrong.. but I'm not using my internet) expulsion resembles the the Israelites
                  being released from Egypt. the Pharaoh of the times they was
                  brother of Moses ahmose. the order of the plagues are the proper order that the plagues would occur. Est..... Let's not be nasty Lits just share information

                  1. JMcFarland profile image92
                    JMcFarlandposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Here's the problem with biblical prophecy.  When you havea bunch of people in power who are familiar and accepting of the texts, is easy enough to make those events happen.

                    There is no evidence that the israelites were ever enslaved in Egypt,  especially in mass numbers like the Bible portrays.  Furthermore,  if the exodus story were true, (and even jewish scholars claim that its not,  and certainly not in the way the story dictates) God took credit for hardening Pharaoh's heart,  making all the plagues happen.

                    Do you want to know what I have?   18 years in the church,  two years in the mission field, four years of Bible college and ten something years of study after realizing I'm an atheist.   It would be unwise to dismiss that knowledge or experience.

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              CJ Simonelliposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Is it a contradiction as you see it, or is it that both this and that are true? If one witness said to you, "He stood up when he saw his wife" and the other witness said to you, "He ran when he saw his wife", are they contradicting each other, or did he do both - first he stood up and then he ran. What might appear a contradiction at first isn't necessarily so if you dig deeper or let the Spirit guide you. The Word is historically accurate, even if it means the concept of "day" refers to a period of time and/or our dating methods are severely flawed, as they are found to be when dating rocks of known age. Slavery is not condoned in the Word. But just as Jesus humbled himself even unto death on a cross to benefit us, so also the one who is a slave is called to take the same attitude as that of Jesus Christ. In the end, the first will be last and the last will be first. As for genocide, our lives are ALL for a very limited time here on earth; if God decides to take some earlier than others, what is that to you? He gave them life; he didn't owe it to them, so if they were killing or otherwise harming his people (the Israelites), why would he not act if he so chose to? But the ultimate glorious plan was to bring people from all nations to himself, and so through Jesus Christ there is no longer slave nor free, male nor female, Jew nor Gentile (all people other than Jews), but all become one, just as it is written! God's Word is flawless and brings light to our souls, but without his Spirit it will be meaningless to you. So my prayer for you, who may yet be my brother who has not yet been born, is that God will open your spiritual eyes and you will see the one who is the Word - Jesus himself! In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.

              1. JMcFarland profile image92
                JMcFarlandposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                So in other words,  there are no contradictions as long as you can spin things and explain the obvious contradictions away.   If you need to do somersaults in order to make all of the pieces fit,  it's not intellectually honest.  There are contradictions and then there are things that can be spun to mean anything you want.   You cannot be a married Bachelor.   These are contradictory and exclusionary terms.  Similarly,  you cannot have someone die on two completely different days, unless they died twice.   You can not have a group of people go to the tomb at several different times - or one person alone,  unless they are describing different events,  and they are clearly not. 

                Pray for me if you must, but it doesn't do any good.   Prayer has the same success rate as random chance, and your chances are the same, no matter what God you pray to.

                Incidentally,  a book that instructs you on how often and how severely to beat your slaves which are your property CONDONES SLAVERY,  and it doesnt matter how you try to weasel out of it.

                How many times have you read the bible,  and what is your degrees in? Please don't preach at me.   I've heard it.    Do you respect my right to disagree with you and come to the conclusion that I don't buy any of it?

                By the way, as to the conquest of Canaan, you have it backwards.  See, when god "gave" the land to the Israelites, the problem was that it was already inhabited.  The children of Israel were the aggressors, acting on the command of god to exterminate all of the people already living there - including their animals and their unborn children.  Divine command theory is great - you can use it to justify a large number of atrocities - but if you buy the Divine command theory, you can't say a dang thing about Muslims who, on the orders of their god, fly planes into buildings.  The only thing you can say is that they're following the "wrong god".  But that's just an assertion, and they would likely say the same thing about you.

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                  CJ Simonelliposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Where did you find a verse giving instructions to beat slaves in the Word? I've read the bible in its entirety (most of it many times) and have never seen that verse (sorry, I have no degrees in biblical studies; my BSs are in anthropology, sociology, and psychology, and my MA is in counseling psychology). I hope this helps regarding the accounts of Jesus' death and resurrection: it says in Matthew 28:1, "After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb..."; When Jesus appeared first to them, he instructed them to go and tell the disciples, which they did; following this, Jesus appeared to the disciples. In Mark, it specifies that Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons, and that she went and told the others. Why would one writer mention both Marys and the other mention only the one? Does it really take summersaults to explain? Maybe this will make sense - I'm a small, soft-spoken, shy person and my husband is a large, loud, popular man. If someone ran into the two of us at an event, one of them would say "I ran into Aaron and Cat at the concert", while another would easily say, "I ran into Aaron at the concert". In truth, we were both there, but Aaron was more noteworthy to the witness. So Mary Magdalene, noteworthy because of the fact that Jesus had cast out demons from her, was the only one mentioned by one of the authors.

                  The land in Canaan (Israel) had already been given by God to Abraham and his descendants (Genesis 12:7 and 13:15) to be an everlasting possession and was based on a covenant. We don't always get the significance of this sort of thing, but it's interesting to note that even when God creates the new heavens and new earth, as he has promised, there will be a new Jerusalem.

                  I hate for people to be hurt (I'm not really naturally inclined to good, but God did design me with a merciful heart). I sympathize with Muslims, since I understand the power of the deceiver and how easily we all are deceived, but I also hate violence and am angered when anyone, especially my brothers and sisters in Christ throughout the world are hurt. When Muslims kill people by orders of their "god", I am grieved.

                  There is One true God, and I don't say this because someone told me, but because I intimately know him and have experienced him. In fact, my earliest memories are running around outside in his presence. I've experienced his presence throughout my life, and I've even experienced supernatural events and healings myself. Here are a few examples: (1) When my ankle wasn't healing well after a third-degree sprain, I began singing this hymn to God "take my feet and let them be swift and beautiful for thee." Suddenly pain like I hadn't felt since the actual sprain weeks earlier began shooting all through my ankle and scared me to death! Well, from that point on, my ankle was healed and I never had any of the problems people said I'd have (like discomfort during certain activities or when it rained). And this was only one of a couple of supernatural healings I've experienced. (2) When counseling youth in juvenile detention, we often spoke about God, and interesting things began to happen - If I felt led to say to a young thief that it is written that we can't serve both God and money, then out of the THOUSANDS of verses in the bible, I'd immediately open to the verse that said exactly that! When the youth and I would talk of God, suddenly at the same moment we'd both be overcome with warmth, waves, jolts, etc., so that we would stare at each other in disbelief and say "Did you just feel that?" God is real and there is absolutely nothing a person anywhere could say to convince me he doesn't exist because I'm sealed by his Holy Spirit, who has already revealed truth to me.

                  I will pray for you because I believe God has planned every interaction, and that he has planned for me to pray for you. I'll pray with tears and pray earnestly because contrary to stereotypes, TRUE Christians LOVE and love more deeply than you can imagine. Yet we love only a fraction of how much God loves. The truth? God is and was and is to come. The truth? God loves you more than I could tell you, even as I say he loved you enough to give up his rights as Lord and come down as the man Jesus and die a horrible death on a cross so that you who right now denies him might one day turn to him and be made righteous and live with him in the glorious life that follows this brief one! Yes, I know you've heard it, but my sincere prayer is that you will finally HEAR it, that is, hear it with ears that discern the truth, and that God Almighty will draw you to himself and open your spiritual eyes. I can respect your right to believe anything you want, but because I love you and because I love the God who loves you, I can't let it go at that... So even if nothing I say convinces you right now, I will continue to pray for you and pray for you and pray for you... and claim your soul for Jesus, because it is written that it is not God's will that any should perish but all come to a knowledge of him, and it is written that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us and we have what he asks; therefore I ask, Father, because it is your will and because you will give what I ask according to your will, that this one will be saved! In Jesus' powerful name, Amen!

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                    Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Exodus 21:20-21 NLT

                    If a man beats his male or female slave with a club and the slave dies as a result, the owner must be punished. But if the slave recovers within a day or two, then the owner shall not be punished, since the slave is his property.

        4. HowardBThiname profile image90
          HowardBThinameposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          You go, Deb. I'm not religious, but you have as every bit as much right to celebrate your religion as I have not to practice any religion.

          I grew up in a Mormon town in western Colorado, and 90% of my friends were Mormon kids. They invited me to special milestones they experienced in their Church and I'm still in contact with them today.

          The simple fact is that Mormons are more family oriented than many others. They're often more forgiving than others (in my experience). They create communities that are clean, where children are raised to think of others and where children respect their parents and other elders.

          People should be free to believe (or not believe) as they wish. I've always held that were I ever to become religious (it's not an option), I would choose the Mormon faith because of its contribution to society.

          Keep your head up - and keep in mind that your faith depends on the belief of the unseen. There's nothing wrong with that. Those who will attack your religion on its tenets are typically not very happy with their own lives.

          To each their own I say. If your faith offers a sense of family and provides comfort, enjoy it. This is your life after all. You get to pick what makes you happy.

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            Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            The only way one can choose wisely is if they know all the facts.

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              HowardBThinameposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Were that true, RM, we should all cease making decisions immediately. Because not one of us knows "all the facts." Instead, the smart thing to do is to make a decision on the "facts" that we feel are legit, and not tell others what facts they should or should not accept. It's that old, "let he who is among us who is innocent cast the first stone," thing.

              I've been around awhile and I've yet to find a stone-caster who was innocent.

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                Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                So you have a problem with education? I'm not sure how you got to the stone throwing thing from making a educated decision.

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              passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              All i am doing here is sharing what was hidden from me when i was a Mormon. I ll even go as far as saying i was lied to.
              Yes Mormon help others out but they act like they are the only ones. Look at the salvation army... They have helped countries. You don't see them boasting that they are Methodist. No... Mormon 's do that... They want everyone to know what they did.
              Family based... All faithes teach about the importance of family. But they teach it from the bible not from a made up book that tells you that you will be a god some where and continue to have babies with several other women. How family oriented is that?
              When i left the lds church it was like leaving everyone. Everyone was told to stay away from me... Everyone.. But that's ok. Most of the have left the church too.
              Worship what every you want but know what you are suppose to believe. Like the lds church make you believe everything they believe if not you are questioning the faith and must find a testimony of Joseph smith to get in good standings with the church.

              1. Shanna11 profile image91
                Shanna11posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                The church doesn't make you believe everything. The church doesn't make you do anything. Everything you've mentioned here, I am aware of. I was told it by professors and teachers. I'm sorry you feel that you were lied to or that things were kept from you. I think the church has realized more recently that they hurt themselves when they try to do damage control and sweep some things under the rug and has made more of an effort to be more transparent, because none of what you post is ever some shocking revelation (at least the parts that you don''t exaggerate or use out of context).

                Do they still have work to do? Yes. The church is not perfect, and I do not expect it to be. I question things all the time, and I still completely doubt certain aspects. Yet, I still believe many of the basic principles. Of all the churches I have to been to (from Lutheran churches to non denominational-- even Catholic mass in the Vatican!) I have found that I prefer the feel and many of the teachings of the Mormon church. It was the best fit for me. Am I brainwashed? I don't think so. I've taken several years now to deeply consider my religious beliefs and compare them to other beliefs. I've searched deep into things people have told me, and what I've been told growing up and I have largely settled on beliefs that I am comfortable with. Just because the Mormon church is included in those beliefs does not mean I am brainwashed or that I am ignorant.

                There is something to be said for the more unorthodox Mormons who believe basic truths in the church but are more open minded. There is also something to be said for discourse instead of rumor-mongering.

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                  Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  That's fair, but do you mind if I ask you a few questions because I'm rather fascinated by Mormonism?

                  Do you believe Joseph Smith is now a God at a seat beside God?

                  Do you believe that the native Americans are Israeli tribes from a few thousand years ago?

                  Do you believe the Mormon scripture 2 Nephi 5:21 in that it states that God cursed the Lamanites with dark skin?

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                    Shanna11posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Go ahead.

                    Do I believe he's now a God?
                    Not currently. I do believe that we all have the potential to be like God, however. We cannot replace God entirely, but I find I rather like the idea that one day (after the end of the world/Second Coming/whatever you subscribe to) we can be given our own worlds to be caretakers of. However, I'm not completely concrete on this whole concept. It's a bit nebulous for me and I'm still conceptualizing it.

                    Do I believe that the Native Americans are Israeli tribes from a few thousand years ago?
                    This is another one where I'm not 100% sure on. I think it's plausible that there is some Israeli heritage--perhaps not primarily. I don't know enough about migrations/ancient early history to really have made up my mind on this yet. When I get a break from school this is something I want to study more in depth, on my own. I don't want to be swayed by either side just yet, since I don't really tend to believe what people tell me straight away until I've studied it out on my own. I've heard about the DNA thing and many other studies or facts on either side.

                    Do I believe 2 Nephi 5:21?
                    You know, I don't think I do- at least not literally. I think it might mean something else- something that made the Lamanites stick out so the Nephites were aware that they were a bad group. I've heard a variety of mixed responses from Mormon church leaders that go both ways (some say it's literal, others suggest it isn't) so I've sort of formulated my own ideas. I don't think God would curse them with dark skin and then leave that around today. I don't think skin color was ever supposed to be a good/bad indicator.  Something about that just doesn't seem fair or right to me. That being said, I don't presume to know the mind or will of God on anything. Those are just some vague conceptions I've cobbled together on things things that I'm still considering. You (or someone else) also mentioned the priesthood or lose your tax exemption thing, which I've been aware of for as long as I can remember. This is one of those things that makes many Mormons uncomfortable, I should think. There were several Mormon leaders who were openly racist. They weren't perfect men and they had major shortcomings. I think the priesthood ban may have been born out of those racist sentiments, but I'm just not sure. It's a sticky subject for many Mormons, but I think making up excuses for why we do certain things (so we can explain it away) hurts the members when they have to face the reality that leaders and the church mess up too.

                    It's kind of like the whole Word of Wisdom thing. As you probably know, Mormons don't drink coffee or tea, and there's not really any explicit reason for why we don't. As a result, many Mormons invented their own explanations, like "caffeine is a drug, and is harmful, so that's why we don't drink coffee or tea." I grew up hearing that and parroting it and never drank Coke or Pepsi. Then I got to college and realized that it was just an excuse and caffeine was perfectly allowable. It was kind of a funny thing for me to realize and suddenly I was a lot more aware of how frustrating it can be when you see someone blindly doing something and insisting it's right, without any cause. The main impetus was when I went home and ordered a Pepsi at dinner with my parents and they sternly lectured me about caffeine consumption. I was confused and angry because there was no bag on caffeinated beverages. They switched tactics to "It's not healthy! It's addictive!" and I pointed out that the unhealthy food they were eating fell into the same category, but I had never once heard them berate me for ordering a fatty cheeseburger or anything like that.

                    Anyway, that was a tangent, but just some interesting observations I've picked up on.

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                      Motown2Chitownposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                      Shanna, kudos to you for being willing to openly and honestly answer questions about your chosen expression of faith.  I do my best to keep an open mind and so the same with my own. 

                      I think there is a huge misconception that everyone who chooses to identify with a certain denomination or religion does so like some robot.  I question many of my own church doctrines and dogmas and refuse to defend its shortcomings except to point out that it's leaders are human, and thus subject to human failings.  Like you, I believe the biggest problem is the cover it up, make it go away attitude.

                      But you are wise to wonder and to question and to seek.

                      smile

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                      wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                      A thought from my distant past as a child Christian, on the caffeine thing.

                      Many times in other sects, such things are used as a method of setting a member of that sect apart from the public.  It gives them a feeling of "sameness", different from the heathen, that is quite helpful in maintaining membership.  Where I grew up it was women's hair and dress code, along with a total ban on TV's and, a little earlier, radios.

                      It is quite possible that early Mormon VIP's started the whole caffeine thing for just that reason.

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                      Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                      Thank you so much. I really appreciate your honesty.

                      Because of your candour please forgive mine, but I find it fascinating as I previously mentioned.

                      Because you like the idea of being a God you think it might be possible? I like the idea of being spiderman but understand it's impossible.

                      First of all there is no evidence of the tribes mentioned in the Book of Mormon while it is possible that a small percentage of DNA came from that region it would have been some 17 to 20 thousand years ago or longer.

                      2 Nephi 5:21 is very specifically about skin colour this can easily be backed up. The priesthood ban was most certainly born of racism and the racism came from the Book of Mormon and I believe one other Mormon book. Do you think this doesn't need to be exposed?

                      Not allowed to drink coffee, but racism and polygamy is tolerated? Who made up those rules? Some who doesn't like coffee, but is a racist and wants many wives?

                      Thanks again for the candour and please don't take my statements or questions as being anything other then my honest opinion and interest.

                  2. debhansencsm profile image60
                    debhansencsmposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    We believe that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. That it is a restoration of the orthodox laws, ordinances, covenants and doctrines that Jesus Christ and His chosen and ordained apostles brought forth during New Testament times. If this is true, then it should show the same kinds of examples that are given in the Bible. I can think of two different stories in the Bible, one that shows where God marked a person and another one where God caused the skin of a group of people to turn black. Each of these examples show the power that God has to change someone’s skin color or mark their skin
                    1.    Cain was cursed with a mark. The Bible does not say in what manner he was marked.  However, it does tell with certain expressions of scripture that God placed that mark on Cain to distinguish him from the other children of Adam, which was to remind them of what would happen if anyone tired to slay or kill him (Genesis 4:13-15). This reveals that God has the power to mark his children. It doesn’t matter if we do not know what that mark looked like.  It was visible to others. It was given because of transgression and that Cain feared of being slain because of that transgression.
                    2.    Jeremiah laments about the miserable estate of Jerusalem in [Lamentations]. He tells of the Lord causing their skin to turn black.  These scriptures show the power of God to do so and why he did this and other things.  God first sent prophets which admonished the people to be obedient and then gave them warnings of what would happen if they rejected their teachings. When the people rejected their teachings, God kept all of his words given through the prophets and the penalties were given.  It was because of their transgressions, sins, iniquities that God fulfilled all the warnings that He said He would do.

                    The Book of Mormon has a story which is similar. It tells that,     “The skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers [Laman & Lemual], which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men…and their brethren sought to destroy them. Therefore they were cursed; and the Lord God set a mark upon them, yea, upon Laman and Lemual and also the sons of Ishmael, and Ishmalitish women…And this was done that their seed might be distinguished from the seed of their brethren, that thereby the Lord God might preserve his people, that they might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions which would prove their destruction…And it came to pass that whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites did bring the same curse upon his seed, Therefore, whosoever suffered himself to be led away by the Lamanites was called under that head, and there was a mark set upon him. And it came to pass that whosoever would not believe in the traditions of the Lamanites, but believed those records which were brought out of the land of Jerusalem, and also in the traditions of their fathers, which were correct, who believed in the commandments of God and kept them, were called the Nephites, or the people of Nephi, from that time forth. And it is they who kept the records which  are true of their people, and also of the people of the Lamanites…Thus the word of God is fulfilled, for these are the words which he said to Nephi: Behold, the Lamanites have I cursed, and I will set a mark on them that they and their seed may be separated from thee and thy seed, from this time henceforth and forever, except they repent of their wickedness and turn to me that I may have mercy upon them…Now I would that ye should see that they brought upon themselves the curse; and even so doth every man that is cursed bring upon himself his own condemnation” (Alma 3:6-19).

                    I personally have not problem believing the scripture in 2 Nephi 5:21.  If we study the Old Testament, we would find that Jeremiah, Isaiah, and other contemporary prophets of their time warned the people of Jerusalem over a span of several hundred years about theirs and Jerusalem’s outcome if they did not repent of their iniquities. The book of Lamentations shows how the people of Jerusalem had a similar experience as the Lamanites.  In order for the curse to be lifted (Not necessarily the color of their skin) both would have to repent of their iniquities and turn back to the Lord and keep His commandments.

                    Lamentations 1:8. 18 say’s, “Jerusalem hath grievously sinned; therefore she is removed…The Lord is righteous; for I have rebelled against his commandments: hear, I pray you, all people, and behold my sorrow…

                    Lamentations 2:17 say’s, “The Lord had done that which he had devised; he hath fulfilled his word that he had commanded in the days of old; he hath thrown down, and hath not pitied: and he hath caused thine enemy to rejoice over thee, he hath set up the horn of thine adversaries.

                    Lamentations 3:40-47 says, “Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the Lord. Let us lift up our heart with our hands unto God in the heavens. We have transgressed and have rebelled: thou hast not pardoned. Thou hast covered with anger, and persecuted us: thou has slain, thou hast not pitied. Thou hast covered thyself with a cloud, that our prayer should not pass through.  Thou hast made us the off-scouring and refuse in the midst of the people.  All our enemies have opened their mouths against us. Fear and a snare is come upon us, desolation and destruction.”

                    Lamentations 4:6-9, 11 says, “for punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was over thrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her. Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire: Their visage is blacker than coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick. They that be slain with the sword are better than they that be slain with hunger: for these pine away, stricken through for want of the fruits of the field…The Lord hath accomplished his fury…”

                    Lamentations 5:10, 21-22 says, “Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine…Turn thou us unto thee, O Lord, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.  But thou hast utterly rejected us; thou art very wroth against us.”

                    Jeremiah wrote with certain expression of scripture to reveal that the Lord was the one who had devised a famine which turned their skin black.   It happen to a people that were not as valiant, who persecuted His prophets, rejected their teachings and in many instances, killed them. Their circumstances give a unified account of how possible it is for God to change the color of someone’s skin when He is not pleased with them. If He chooses to mark or turn someone’s skin dark for whatever His reasons or purposes may be, He will do so if that is His will. He only did this for the good of His children, and mostly to keep them in the right way or to turn back to the Lord.  I do not doubt God’s power to do so. I am not ashamed of this doctrine.  It doesn’t make me hate people with dark skin.  It doesn’t make me think that they can’t have the same blessing as I do if they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ in it fulness and obey it. God loves all of His children and His arms are always open and ready to receive those who will exercise their faith in Him and in His Son, Jesus Christ.

                    1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
                      MelissaBarrettposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                      Interestingly enough, I've heard that same explanation using the same Bible verses before. I was researching a paper on the biblical motivations of the KKK in the south. If you go to their website, you'll see the same thing.

                      Not sure if that will mean anything, but it's certainly a similarity in beliefs that is worth exploring. I don't believe the Klan accepts Mormons though, they don't consider them pure in God's eyes, so I wouldn't think the verses from the book of Mormon would fit into their philosophy. Still they are of a remarkably similar philosopy, none the less

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                      Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                      Are you using scripture to mask racism or are you using racism to justify scripture?

                  3. debhansencsm profile image60
                    debhansencsmposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Do I believe Joseph Smith is now a God at a seat beside God?
                    Do you believe that man is a spirit child of Heavenly Father?
                    (Acts 17:28-29; Romans 8:17)
                    Do you believe that man has the potential to become like Heavenly Father? 
                    (PS 82:1-8; John 10: 34; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Galatians 4:7; Hebrews 12:9; 1 John 3:2; Revelation 3:21; John 15:1-23)

                    Do you believe that as we make and keep our covenants with God, we have the potential to inherit a place in His presence?  I do.  I believe that  this life is a time of learning in which we can prove ourselves, choose to come unto Christ, and prepare to be worthy of eternal life. It is also a time when we can help others find the truth and gain a testimony of the plan of salvation.  When we die, our spirit will enter into the spirit world and await the resurrection. At the time of the resurrection, our spirit and body will reunite, and we will be judged and received into a kingdom of glory (1 Peter 5:1, 10; 1 Corinthians 15:38-42; 1 Thessalonians 4:16). What do you think happened to the people who were rose from the graves after is resurrection? (Matthew 27:50-53) .  The glory we inherit will depend upon the depth of our conversion and our obedience to the Lord's commandments. It will depend on the manner in which we have received a testimony of Jesus.

                    Colossians 2 :13; 3:1-4; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; 1 John 3:2; Revelation 20:6

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                      passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                      the word god is a title. lord, ruler judge, king, god. That's why God is the King of King Lord of Lord the one and only, no one before or after. God's name is Yahweh I am That I am. The one and only. no one will ever and never been a King of Kings Yahweh.
                      Reread those scriptures.

                  4. debhansencsm profile image60
                    debhansencsmposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Passingthewordalong says that, "The book of mormon teaches that the American Indians were from Israel. That is the corner stone of their faith. DNA proved that the American Indians were not from Israel but in fact were from Asian descent. Proving that the BofM is a lie and a fictional book." 
                    1. The Book of Mormon its self never says that American Indians were from Israel.  The members of the Church thought that was a possibility, but they just supposed it to be.  The Church has done a lot of DNA studies and the people who are specialist in that field have already explained that they cannot use DNA.  The signatures are diluted when  there are interracial marriages.   As far as me believing that the American Indians came from Jerusalem, I simply don't know.  There is some research being done on the people of ancient Mesoamerica. It seems most likely the location for where the Book of Mormon story played out. The scholars are saying that the lands and the culture matches the description of that in the Book of Mormon.

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                      passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                      Just like the LDS church does all the time. When they get caught lieing they change their doctrine. That why you think the Bof M never talked about this matter.
                      The “Principal Ancestors” Change. The one-page introduction to the Book of Mormon, which gives a brief overview of its contents, was added in 1981 when the LDS Church released a revised text of the Book of Mormon. The introduction was written by Mormon Apostle BruceR. McConkie, at the time considered to be one of the church’s most prominent theologians. The introduction stated, “After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, (and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians.”)

                      New editions published by the LDS Church, however, will no longer include the phrase “principal ancestors.” They instead will read that the Lamanites are( “among” the ancestors of the American Indian.) This new alteration has already appeared in copies of the Book of Mormon published by Doubleday.
                      2) the Great apostasy has not happen yet.
                      John 15:2, Every branch (believer, disciple, true Christian) that beareth fruit, He (God) shall prune it, that it may bring forth more fruit. (The true Word of God will continue forever.) The branches are the believers and/or teachers and the fruit are those who are taught. God will get those people ready (prune) and the cycle will continue forever.
                      This is what God promised.
                      The Great apostasy is talked about in 2 Thessalonians Ch 2. When the people thought that the day of the Lord had already began.
                      2Thess 2:3
                      Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first (The Great apostasy) AND that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition (Satan). Do you see the word (AND) fall away and satan (AND)
                      The Great apostasy (the Great falling away) will happen when the anti christ (the son of perdition "damnable to die") comes and teaches his false doctrine (Rev 13). The people will be tricked into worshiping the beast (satan) and will be turned away from the true Christ. The great Apostasy.
                      Jesus promised us that he would never leave us or forsake us. Hebrews 13:5, And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; John 14:16 we will always have the Holy spirit we will always have Jesus
                      And your using BIble scriptures and you not even using them right. Stop messing with God's word. Do whatever you want with the BofM (it's made up anyways)

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                      Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                      It appears the Book of Mormon gets edits as information comes in that contradicts it's teachings.

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              passingthewordposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              JMC.... You should start a form on the quesitons above.... first to the tumb. bible was not ordered to be made.... so we can talk about it there. This form got off the topic and theres to much comment to to respond to.
              Oh and debhansencsm are you reading the other post? If you going to respond stay on the subject.

     
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