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What happens to animals when they die?

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    Lybrahposted 3 years ago

    I saw this thing on Youtube the other day and it said that animals have souls that are to the flesh, as opposed to  us--we have souls that are to the spirit.  Therefore, when animals perish, their souls perish with them.  What do you guys think?  Do you think animals go to Heaven or Hell?  The link to this video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wivgDck1l88.  It is a little long, but it's in there.

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Without evidence that either any animal, including humans, has a soul that lives beyond what the body does, there is no reason to think that it either goes to heaven or anywhere else.

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        Lybrahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You mean to tell me that Cappy won't be waiting for me on the other side?

        1. Jodah profile image86
          Jodahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Personally Lybrah, I don't think animals are any less mportant to we humans. After all we are only animals ourselves and god created us all. If there is a Heaven, I think every creature goes there when they die. I know my dogs and cats have more compassion and show more love than any person I know, so why shouldn't they?

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          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Only in your memories, I'm afraid. 

          But that's all right - an eternal life would be the worst thing imaginable to suffer through.  Death is a surcease we all need.

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            Lybrahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Why do you say that?  You'd rather cease to exist than live forever?  I like existing.

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              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I like existing, too.

              Will I like it 10,000 years from now, when I've done everything I want to do, and done it 10 times over?

              Will I like it a million years from now when I have experienced every single thing there is to experience, good and bad, and done that a thousand times over?

              Eventually terminal boredom will set in, followed in a million years or so by insanity. 

              We all say we want to live "forever" without stopping to think just what "forever"  actually means.  No matter how long it takes to see everything, feel everything, do everything, it is but the tiniest baby step towards eternity.  A million years, a billion, a trillion - all are but the first step along the timeline of eternity.

              To most people, a couple of hundred years is an "eternity", or "forever", but even though it is out of our reach, it is not "forever".

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                Lybrahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                That's interesting.  I believe in Jesus and Heaven, and wonder what we'll be doing up there when we die.  How will God keep us entertained?

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                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I see two choices: either wipe your memory periodically (change you into someone else) or destroy you.  Anything else results in a terrible boredom that will never diminish, not after experiencing every possible thing a hundred or a thousand times.

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                    aguasilverposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I think we have a differing opinion of "experiencing every possible thing a hundred or a thousand times." and I admit that I find it impossible to envisage what or how extensive 'every possible thing' may be, infinity and eternity just seem to be outside of human understanding.

                    But I do think animals will be with us in eternity, because Yeshua returns on a horse when He comes back to wrap up this age.

                    What I think will be spectacular (and worth suffering whatever was needed to gain eternity) will be the complete understanding and knowledge which will be available to those who make it to be with God in eternity.

                    I guess those who reject eternity with God, will be stuck with their limited understanding for eternity, which I agree would be infinitely boring as they constantly rehashed their failings like a perpetual 'Groundhog Day' without the ability to correct their errors... especially as eternity with God is a free gift of grace to all who will accept it, but a curse to those who reject it.

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    bBereanposted 3 years ago

    1 Corinthians 2:9 - "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

    I don't anticipate boredom.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I wonder how one sees and hears without eyes and ears?

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    Peggasuseposted 3 years ago

    I definitely believe that animals DO go to heaven.  There are many people who have had near death experiences, who have seen their pets (who already passed) in heaven with their relatives.

    I did also check out the video link that is in your article.  The guy who's reporting this, has absolutely no proof that what he's saying is truth, so I wouldn't take his word for anything.  It just seems to be his opinion. 

    Besides that, he reports his near-death experience which is a lot different from what the majority of people  have had.  I have known people who've had this type of experience, and I myself have had one.  I can tell you in truth that is is NOT what really happens.

    So, anyway, let me just say that if you had a pet who passed, you'll definitely see him/her when you cross over.  Pets have spirits, too smile

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      Lybrahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You've had a near death experience?  Do share!  I'm interested in hearing about it.

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    Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago

    Did Neanderthals go to heaven?.... Just asking.

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      Lybrahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      And are the dinosaurs there as well?  It would be cool to see them one day.

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        Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        But it's just not the same with our eyes to see their none bodies.

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      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Don't forget Homo Erectus, Homo Ergaster, Homo Habilis, Homo Heidelbergensis, and Homo Florensiensis!

      1. Jodah profile image86
        Jodahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        See with all those there, how could it be boring?

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      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Those were just bones, put there by Satan to confuse us.  Bones and cave drawings and fire remains and stone tools and pointed, charred sticks and, and, and.

      Actually, I've wondered that too.  Do the theists just dismiss those people out of hand as intelligent animals or did they have souls?  A whole different species with a soul!

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        Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        The argument that Lucifer created fossils to confuse humanity has always amused me, and I have to wonder if the Christians who make that argument realize how heretical it is. After all, the ultimate divine power exclusive to God himself (creation) is now being attributed to Lucifer. That would imply that Lucifer is, indeed, on the same level as God, then.

        Yay theology fail!

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          Lybrahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I don't believe that Lucifer created the fossils to confuse us.  Dinosaurs most definitely existed before humans.  I think God had created the dinosaurs and then when he got sick of them, he wiped them out and then prepared the Earth for us.

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            Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            ...What.

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              Lybrahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Seriously.  It makes sense.  They lived on the Earth for millions of years.  God got sick of them eventually...

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                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Boredom is a terrible thing...

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                EncephaloiDeadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I would not enjoy living in a universe created by that kind of selfish and cruel God.

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                  aguasilverposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Then you probably won't. sad

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                    EncephaloiDeadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    And, it's a good thing that I don't. smile

          2. Jodah profile image86
            Jodahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            The way humans are treating his planet and the other creatures He created, I hope God doesn't get sick of us soon and wipe us out.

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              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              ??  I thought the animals were put here for our use, as we see fit.  That we might rule over them.

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              MysticMoonlightposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Indeed, Jodah.

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          MysticMoonlightposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          A diabolical mimicry tie in? According to some in the early church, Lucifer was a very busy guy back in the day for sure.

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            wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            And the not-so-early church found Lucifer's minions everywhere during the witch burning years...

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              MysticMoonlightposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, they certainly did.

      2. aguasilver profile image88
        aguasilverposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Check out this guy, I would be interested to hear what you think about his presentation!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zz8_MxcnzY

        (Nephilim: TRUE STORY of Satan, Fallen Angels, Giants, Aliens....)

        smile

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          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Have you ever heard of Piltdown Man?  Ulysses?  Odysseus?  Cold Fusion? Thor, Odin or Yahweh?

          The world abounds with both fraud and fiction.  You would do well to take better care what you believe to be true.

          Hint: when the speaker begins with the assurance that it is all a TRUE STORY, and authentic, keep you hand firmly on your wallet.  You are about to be scammed.

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            aguasilverposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            So I guess your 'inner self' stopped you from looking at it all and making an informed decision, why watch when you can just judge something?

            Now I know why I don't bother wasting my time in the forums too often..... sad

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              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I watched it until a grossly misshapen skull was shown, with the insinuation it was a half breed descendant from a god/man union.  At that point I could stomach no more and quit wasting my time.

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                Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                It amazes me how Christians can be taken in by the idea of human/angel hybrids. Err hello since when did an angel (non material spirit being) have DNA, or a penis for that matter? Yet they also claim the Holy Spirit reveals things to them; surely this doesn't include Middle Eastern mythical tales?

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Now, you are thinking about this, when you should be feeling for the Word of God.  When if feels good, it is true; those that want sex with an angel will believe in hybrids while those that don't, won't.  Quite simple, actually.

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                    Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I'd be grateful to have sex with a woman never mind an angel. hmm

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                aguasilverposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                OK, well at least you are honest about it, something that you found uncomfortable to contemplate, so straight to judgement and the next subject that confirms your biased beliefs, oh how I wish it were that easy to search for truth!

                DH just as an aside, I watch with interest as you slip slowly into a total world view...

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                  Woody Marxposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Most animals become ghosts. I have a large assortment of my previous pets that have gone on to the 'other side' still hanging out in my flat and being every bit as entertaining as they were when they were alive.

                  My first tortoise Joseph appears now and again, for instance, when he has learned a new poem and wishes to recite it to me.

                  My old pet cricket who only lived a few days when I was 8 years old, comes back as a ghostly chirp on days having the letter 'e' in them.

                  And so on.


                  Ghostly pets. What could be nicer ? 

                  Of course animals have an afterlife!

                2. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Uncomfortable to contemplate?  Uncomfortable?  Uncomfortable has zero to do with it; what was being presented as truth was so far removed from reality as to be a complete waste of time. 

                  Sure, there were enough tips and clues as to the validity of that farce that only a few minutes was needed to serve up judgement not hours of meaningless drivel.  The real "belief" about that scene concerned the veracity and honesty of the speaker, not what he had to say.  And that, sadly, was that the man was NOT there to offer truth and fact.

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                  Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Mmmm so because I am not taken in by myths about fallen angels and hybrids, because I choose to use my God given brain, because I base my life upon evidence rather than hearsay, I'm taking on a World view? Well I've always had 'this World view'. However I believe the biblical use of the term 'World view' is somewhat different, more about human greed, inhumanity, worshipping idols, superstition, judging others and the like.

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, that horrible (but real) world view.  Better that you should live in your imagination than in the real world.  You will find solace and happiness there, at least if you can shut down your God given brain.  At least I think so - I've never managed to do that to a sufficient degree to believe what I found there.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    It's all about the Bible.
    It's all about the Bible.
    It's all about the Bible.

    1. Disappearinghead profile image88
      Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      For Christianity, that's ok. What isn't ok is assumption of absolute literal interpretational truth, and then a search for 'evidence' that appears to support that 'truth'.

      For example is it credible study when those at 'Answers in Genesis' insist on a literal 6000 year old Earth, where the Flintstones is considered Reality TV, and they exist only to search for 'evidence' to support this whilst wilfully ignoring the scientific community?

      Is it credible study to insist Lucifer was a beautiful archangel in charge of music, God's second in command, who through pride rebelled, had a fight, and got cast to Earth with a third of the angels, to wreak havoc on Earth and lead 95% of humanity to hell whilst causing washing machines to break down in his spare time? This story isn't in the bible, and a Jewish scholar who knows his Hebrew would find this whole idea complete nonsense.

      Is it credible to insist that the unconditional everlasting love of God has conditions attached and comes with an expiry date?

      These are things Christian's believe because they are told they are in the bible.

      It's ok not to agree with Paul the Apostle. It's ok not to believe in creationism. it's ok to believe that the Exodus probably didn't happen, that King David wasn't a great king, or that not all that is in the bible is true or the verbatim word of God.

      1. Jodah profile image86
        Jodahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        This forum has got so off topic 'What happens to animals when they die" and I've noticed that the person who started it hasn't even had a say for ages. Anyway here's my input for what it's worth to where the discussion's headed:

        'The Fool Hath Said'

        "There is no God", the speaker cries,
        "Don't let your thoughts be chained:
        This universe evolved itself,
        The world is self-contained."
        Just then an urchin in the crowd
        A skillful pebble throws
        Which accurately lands upon
        The atheistic nose.
        "Who threw that stone?' the speaker roars;
        At which the cockney elf,
        Intuitively keen, retorts,
        "No one! It frew irself."
        So a pathetic casualty,
        Discomforted and worse,
        Goes home to meditate upon
        This causeless Universe.

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          So your way to get things back on topic was to post a poem about the person who got things off topic?

          1. Jodah profile image86
            Jodahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I wasn't trying to get it back on topic Beth, just comment on the topic it had become.

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I getcha. smile

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          Lybrahposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          That poem is pretty good.  And yeah, you'll notice I left this conversation a long, long time ago!

 
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