jump to last post 1-50 of 63 discussions (660 posts)

islam

  1. rajabilal profile image59
    rajabilalposted 7 years ago

    Islam is the religion of peace.

    1. 59
      foonamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is religion which tells us how to spend life in every aspects of life. It has proved each and every thing that the modern science has proved now in 21st century but it has proved that aspects 1400 years before.

      =================================
      attorney directory

    2. Indigenous profile image60
      Indigenousposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If Islam is the religion of peace why is this?
      http://www.answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv2.html

    3. mandybeau profile image59
      mandybeauposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I once believed that, unfortunately, it now shoves planes through Buildings killing many many innocent people. I have no belief that that was the work of Allah, but rather a Human being.......Islam has become controlled just as Western religion has, it holds back people, whereas it should move them forward.

    4. TrinaLynne profile image72
      TrinaLynneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Islam is most definitely a religion of peace. No true Muslim condones terrorism, violence and murder of innocent men, women and children. A true Muslim does not put down other religions either.

      I read some of the comments made about Islam and I was really shocked. I was shocked that all these people who are artistic and eloquent with their writing could be so harsh and ignorant.

      I say ignorant because you must truly read an Islamic teaching to understand Islam not watch FoxNews or CNN.

      Do not let the people who do perpetrate disgraceful acts give you your opinion of Islam. Talk to a Muslim, read a book, look up Islamic sites. Learn about the religion before you spew hatred.

      Those who throw hatred toward an entire religion for what some have done are just as bad because you are spreading the dislike. And nothing good comes from spreading hatred.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well - thanks for the input. Religion = good. People who do not suck up to religion = bad. very eloquent. You join just to tell us how awesome Islam is? Or was there a point here?

        I sure as hell do not watch CNN or Fox. I make my decisions based on what people say and do. Not what your TV tells me to thanks.

        1. TrinaLynne profile image72
          TrinaLynneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well I'm sorry that you feel the way that you do. I did not join HubPages to promote Islam. But I let my light shine by just being the best Muslimah I can be. I have opinions, thoughts, and truths about many subjects. You will see this in my writing.

          I am who I am and you are who you are. Insha Allah(God willing) we learn from each other. I look forward to reading your hubs and I invite you to read mine. Much luck to you in your endeavors.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well - seeing as you have no hubs yet....... But feel free to read mine. And I am quite happy making my own decisions thank you. But - you go ahead and repeat what you have been told to.

    5. 60
      quangteo2881991posted 7 years ago in reply to this
    6. rizrazi profile image59
      rizraziposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I totally agree that Islam is the religion of Peace and i was reading the 1st page post of this forum and some claimed it to be proved that Islam is the religion of Peace
      I have some Own Points to discuss here
      1. Every Religion teaches us good things and if any of the follower doesn't obey the religion then who is to be called wrong, the religion or the followers?
      2. I'm a Muslim and my religion prohibits me to rape a girl yet i do then who is wrong, me or my religion?
      Of course it's my fault because Islam doesn't teach us these things !!!
      Here i would say, That Beard is known as Symbol of Muslims, Christ also kept beard and all the other Prophets did so and It to be obeyed by all the Christan, they must keep beard because they are following Christ, but they don't; here if i say the Christianity is not good religion, it would hurt the feelings of Christan and i don't want this to do,
      Look Dear, USA is victim country where so much rapes happen (you may get the statistics) who lives in USA, Muslims? who do those rapes? MUSLIMS? Their crime rate is high, who do this?
      obviously those who live there - and Their religion stops them to do all these, yet they do, it's their fault not of the religion.
      Allah sent Prophets time to time on earth and Muhammad is the Last Prophet of Allah with a Book Qur'an, which not only tell you what to do and what no to do but also tell you how to do ...

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        when to do, what to think, how to live, what you should wear, who you can talk to, when you can talk to them, etc etc.

        1. Eng.M profile image74
          Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          yeah man you are right .
          I am his slave as he made me .

          yet he left us a huge space to build up our personalities .

    7. Lady_E profile image80
      Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      June 16 2009
      A Christian man was stoned to death in Pakistan for drinking tea from a roadside stall designated for Muslims.

      According to International Christian Concern (ICC) the man, Ishtiaq Masih, had ordered tea at a stall in Machharkay village, Punjab, Pakistan, after his bus stopped to allow passengers to relieve themselves.

      When Ishtiaq went to pay for his tea, the owner noticed that he was wearing a necklace with a cross and grabbed him, calling for his employees to bring anything available to beat him for violating a sign posted on the stall warning non-Muslims to declare their religion before being served.

      Ishtiaq had not noticed the warning sign before ordering his tea, as he ordered with a group of his fellow passengers.
      Witnesses claim the owner and 14 of his employees beat Ishtiaq with stones, iron rods and clubs, and stabbed him multiple times with kitchen knives as Ishtiaq pleaded for mercy.

      The other bus passengers intervened and took Ishtiaq to the Rural Health Center in the village. Ishtiaq died as a result of spinal, head, and chest injuries. The doctor who took Ishtiaq's case told ICC that Ishtiaq had excessive internal and external bleeding, a fractured skull, and brain injuries.

      A correspondent from the ICC confirmed that he saw a warning posted outside the tea stall, which read: "All non-Muslims should introduce their faith prior to ordering tea. This tea stall serves Muslims only."
      (The Asian News)

      Sorry, what was that comment you made?

      1. JonTutor profile image60
        JonTutorposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Lady I am with you on this..... Pakistan has too many fundamentalists... I did rate them as the most dangerous.... you gotta read this http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/15421?p … post234449

      2. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        This report of ICC was not showed in any of the local or international newspapers or news channels and if so please give me the reference. Also Pakistan is not the caliphate-islamic state. It's rulers are Honorary Freemasons.

        Secondly, what will you say about Freemasonry and Zionism who is killing and butchering 1000s of innocents world wide, for instance, Paletine, Lebenon, Kashmir, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam (in the past), Japan (past), Kosovo, chechnya, Bosnia ... and the list goes on and on ... what will you say about Atheist White Americans killing Black ones, the last century faced horrific tragedies against BLACKS of USA.

        1. chukra G profile image60
          chukra Gposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          dear friend, lets talk about the solution please. you are muslim i respect for that but why are we here marketing our religion. this is why religion got poluted, because the way each of you spread. are every one of you racing with each other in the name of religion. WHY?

          1. usmanali81 profile image60
            usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The Lady_E started it, i did'nt

            1. Shil1978 profile image88
              Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Lol - you've been marketing your religion through so many threads here. So - at least be honest about that smile

            2. chukra G profile image60
              chukra Gposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              dont defend, it will make you weaker, the more you defend the more you weaker will be, let it go, both of you not bad person indeed. how about starts to work on it, how? make others love islam and for that islam must show their love first,

              1. usmanali81 profile image60
                usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                i love you, it does not mean i can allow you put yourself into HELL. I will atleast present you the right way. Then it's your choice to follow or not, no obligation at all.

                1. mohitmisra profile image60
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Have you gone to heaven ? How can you guide others?

                  1. JonTutor profile image60
                    JonTutorposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Sure he has gone to heaven....in his dreams to enjoy the heavenly virgins...LOL

                  2. Shil1978 profile image88
                    Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Of course - he hasn't, but he would like to think that he has!! That thinking of course comes from the arrogance of feeling superior in some way to other human beings - solely based on the relgion that he comes from!!!

                2. Shil1978 profile image88
                  Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Lol - so you want to save us all! I don't see any reason for converting. If I believe in God, I believe in God. I don't see any reason why I should subscribe to what one person's interpretation of God was or is.

                  I don't see the Quran as anything special or unique. It hasn't imbibed in its followers nonviolence or tolerance of other faiths. It has promoted dictatorial tendencies and regressive methods in parts of the world that have chosen to implement Shariah Law in its "purest form."

                  1. usmanali81 profile image60
                    usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    big_smile it's not implemented in it's purest form. Regarding tolerance, sorry, we can not tolerate so many rapes per day in USA or any other part of the world and we can not forgive them. ONLY DEATH PENALTY for rapists. God forbid, We can not watch you be raped again and again

                3. chukra G profile image60
                  chukra Gposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  how can you love me? when even your love for your family is not TRUE and how can you make me believe that you love me when there is no realisation of YOUR TRUE SELF, till you realise the word LOVE never exist within us. PLEASE understand it, i am not get you down. appreciate you

        2. Lady_E profile image80
          Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          OK Usman.  This was all over the news and the source I used above was Asian news. As for your second paragraph, lets not drift from the thread topic which was simply

          "Islam is the Religion of Peace".

          So, if you say that comment was not shown in any local newspaper, how about this one. I even heard it on the news:


          Oct 2008
          Female British Aid worker killed ‘because of Religion’
          A female British aid worker has been killed by gunmen in Kabul because she was 'spreading Christianity,' it has been confirmed.
          Two unidentified hitmen on motorbikes attacked Gayle Williams as she walked alone at 8am, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office said.
          An FCO spokeswoman said: "We can confirm that a British national was shot dead in Kabul today. Next of kin have been informed."

          Metro.co.uk News
          May I add that this woman was helping the Country.

          1. usmanali81 profile image60
            usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Dear Lady

            who were the motorbikers ??? does any one know ???

            If you figure them as Muslims, why can't they be Freemasons as the soldiers of Zionists are also there in Afghanistan.

            Moreover, Afghanistan has got no Caliphate - Islamic State or Caliph rather an American Govt. Thoese Americans whose half population is born out of wedlock (illegitimate). For reference please take the following

            In April 2009, the National Center for Health Statistics announced that nearly 40 percent of babies born in the United States in 2007 were delivered by unwed mothers. The 1.7 million out-of-wedlock births, out of 4.3 million total births, represented a more than 25 percent jump from five years before.

            1. Lady_E profile image80
              Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Mmmh.  OK Usman. I think I’ll leave it here for now.  Thanks for your responses. The world would just be a better and happier place if innocent lives are not cut short in the name of Religion.

              A Salaam alei-kun.

            2. JonTutor profile image60
              JonTutorposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              @LadyE Don't even try reasoning with this guy.... he sees the whole universe infested with Freemasons and Zionists....LOL

    8. shakeelz profile image60
      shakeelzposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes Islam is the Best religion in the world. There has always been  the concept of black sheep. So there aRE SOME BLACK SHEEP in the Islamic countries but not all muslims are wrong and they dont want to blow them up. those people whichdo this are being misguided about Islam.
      Islam Is the Best Religion.

      1. 0
        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I believe that is something of a chauvinistic attitude....may cause you problems in the future.  Just saying...

  2. rajabilal profile image59
    rajabilalposted 7 years ago

    It is religion which tells us how to spend life in every aspects of life.
    It has proved each and every thing that the modern science has proved now in 21st century but it has proved that aspects 1400 years before.
    It has given the rights of women but other religion they dont give as such rights for them which islam gives them ,specially in the 19th centuy they have not given the right of vote in the 17th century they have not the authority to touch the Holy book

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you have any idea how stupid you sound saying islam is a religion of peace and then picking a fight with all the other religionists?

      The sooner we get your religion back in the bronze ages where it belongs, the better.

      1. mohamedhmm profile image60
        mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        there is no fight with others; why do u think if someone say christianity or islam.. religion of peace would bring fight; any religion should bring peace inside yourself and others; and this is so clear.
        and also for your knowledge muslems believe in all books ( Torah, bible , Quran) came from one God within different stages; and because islam it's the last stage in God messages; and that's the reason many believers from jews and christian enter islam happy because they understood the messages.
        if you believe in God, and you were jews believe in moses and torah; then, if you deny jesus and bible; God-the father- will never accept youbecause you deny God message.
        and also if you are christian you belive in jesus and bible; then, you hear about Muhammad and the last book from God-Quran- and you deny it; God will not accept you.
        islam just name equal the meaning of christianity; only because islam the last stage of God messages and islam present all of them.
        but For God wisdom you believe or not- it's your choice no body will choose for you; and no body to blame except you-..
        in the end ; i ask God to guide us to His right way all of you my brothers...

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And I say the Torah Quoran and the bible all worship an abhorant, by-polar and hysterical sociopathic entity who scares the bloody daylights out of god-botherers who were indoctrinated at an early age, then bought up listening to this crap.

      2. indian cooking profile image51
        indian cookingposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Kudos!

      3. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        let us see, what happens.

      4. My Inner Jew profile image83
        My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Mark does have a point, your religion does have more extremist than any other religion.  I would say if any religion is peaceful it is Buddhism or such.
        I just wrote a hub on the terrorism that comes forth from Islam.  Your holy book does state a jihad or holy war against all infidels..and that would be me since i don't agree with your religion.
        I am not saying all muslims are violent...just your extremists and those who support extremists.

        1. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Dear Jew!

          Qur'an does not state any holy war against infidels, it's your misconception which you got from international media. Jihad means to strive and struggle, it does not mean HOLY WAR. On the other hand, In some books of the Old Testament (for example, Joshua) commandments are given to commit horrible violence against non-Jewish peoples. Mass murder is commanded, with no regard for women, children or the elderly. This merciless savagery is totally against God's justice. Take for instance, the black history of CRUSADERS. Also the hisotory of SALAH UDIN AYUBI who when entered Jerusalam pardoned each and every non muslsim whether Jews or Christians and let them with the fair choice of stay in peace or leave in peace.

          1. My Inner Jew profile image83
            My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That also is a misconception God only required the complete annihilation of the race after they tried to destroy Israel.  For example, they did not kill a pregnant woman once but had mercy on her.  Later in life her child grew to hate israel and seek its destruction.  If not for Esther asking the king of persia to spare the lives of the jews, they would have been killed.  It was for this reason God had commanded it.
            Yes, I do remember the black history of the crusade...but it is not commanded once in our bible to do that...it was wrong but history cannot be changed...only the future can be changed.
            Extremist factions of Islam declare that Qu'ran state they must die in the name of allah to go to heaven killing an infidel...I don't know if the Qu'ran states this or not, but i do know this is what the extreme factions are saying.  I having nothing against peaceful Islam.  I had many friends in Israel who were Muslim.  But I do not agree at all with such groups as Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, etc.

            1. usmanali81 profile image60
              usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You see when Muslim governments are not doing their job to resist Israeli unjust invasion then these kind of groups develped to fill up the gape. Have a look at the maps of Israel in 1948 and now in 2009, it will become crystal clear how the Jews illegally captured Palestine despite the fact these Jews were welcomed by Muslims as guests in 1947 after being kicked out by Hitler. So, now what these guests did to the innocents of Palestine and their territory, the judgment is completely yours now.

        2. Eng.M profile image74
          Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          may be because muslim countries are oppressed very much either by western leaders or by their friends (local leaders)

          there is no problem with making Jihad aginst those who fight Muslims to change thier ideals or take their wealth
          don't you think ?

          altough , most wetern people are nice but there are also many have been fooled by the leaders to engage in what called good wars.

          very obvious ?

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Very obvious. And one of the tools they use is religion.

            1. Eng.M profile image74
              Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              so , is there anything in Quran encourges Muslims to kill people just because they are infidels according to Islam ?

              (by the way I am an infidel too according to other religions , it is not a bad word)

              1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                To be honest - I do not know the book that well. There are certainly muslimists who think it does.

                And I am an infidel according to all religions except FSMism. smile

                1. Eng.M profile image74
                  Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  or may be they don't understand what in it

                  so do you pray in the kitchen for the great FSM or enjoying his sons is enough to be grateful

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No - It Is Written That We Must Toast Him With Red Wine. big_smile

      5. scheinandras profile image59
        scheinandrasposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Where is the famous christian acceptance and brotherhood?

        1. Eng.M profile image74
          Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          who said he is a christian ?

    2. Shil1978 profile image88
      Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are kidding right?  Did you just join HubPages to propagate this.  If so, stay on and try and prove all that you are saying with FACTS.  Also, try and explain what is going on in the SWAT area of Pakistan, where the Taliban have gone on a school-buring spree.  IMHO, I don't see Islam evolving - only regressing with time.  It seems the followers just want to follow the Book that was written 1400 years before.  Apparently, Islam can't be adapted to modern times.  So, we have Shariah Law being asked for by the Taliban and being grated by the Pakistani Govt in Pakistan.  Kinda gives you an idea of where Islam is headed.

      1. Eng.M profile image74
        Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        name one law in Shariah prevents modern life evolution



        you would say; some muslims
        show me where it says in Islam to do so

      2. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        These SWAT talibans are mercenaries, we found genetically engineerd dates alomst equals the lenght of a hand and burgers in a foreign packing. These are enough evidence that these people are bought by Zionists and are misused for maligning Islam. Further the weapons which they use are totally Russian and Indian made.

    3. fierycj profile image85
      fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know if its an error or anything. Frankly, I wouldn't care less, and I'm not making fun of anyone either. I just like the phrase...spend life in every aspects of life.

      1. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It means it can be spent on killing, butchering, rapeing, sex, loot, raid, plunder, gamble, drink, decieve ..................

  3. johnb0127 profile image76
    johnb0127posted 7 years ago

    If islam is the religion of peace, why do all the islam church members love to blow themselves and other people up?  Huh?  It is definitely NOT the religion of "peace".  Christianity is!

    --John

    1. Paraglider profile image88
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      \

      "all the islam church members"??

    2. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      \

      Really?  I doubt that to be the case.

      1. johnb0127 profile image76
        johnb0127posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You doubt it?  Look at 9/11

        1. RKHenry profile image80
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well hey! It's my good buddy oh boy everybody.  Did you go back an eat your words yet?  Do I hear an apology?

          1. AEvans profile image70
            AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            John, You have a complete misconception of Islam and I am Christian you need to study World Religions and study the Ka'ran as that is not true. Christianity is a branch of religion and Jesus was originally a Jew , who became Christianities Lord and Saviour. True Christians would not blasphemy other religions when you are holding your head high as a Christian you have to ask yourself WWJD? Can you lead others to Christ by acting the way you do? Christianity is not the religion of Peace either as look at what you are doing you are yelling, shame on you.sad

            1. johnb0127 profile image76
              johnb0127posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              And I dont mean to yell.  Im not actually yelling.  Im typing like im yelling but im not yelling.  I dont even mean to yell.  Well, type like i am yelling.  big_smile

              1. RKHenry profile image80
                RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                John-  I can't even get a retraction from you?  Whats your deal?  Too immature?  Or are you really that dumb?

                1. AEvans profile image70
                  AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  R.K.????? sad

                2. johnb0127 profile image76
                  johnb0127posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  \

                  Hmm, I dont know.  I guess we just like to post on the same forum topics.  Something wrong?  Immature? How???

                  1. RKHenry profile image80
                    RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    whatever.

                  2. usmanali81 profile image60
                    usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    you are welcome ... but try to be nice smile

              2. usmanali81 profile image60
                usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                please fix yourself smile

            2. usmanali81 profile image60
              usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Of course, if i am doing something wrong, then obviously it's not the fault of the religion. Consider, someone gets a latest BMW and he/she can not drive and sits on the driving seat and just bangs up the car. Now, who will be blamed. The car or the driver. If you want to test Islam then judge it by the best person who is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

    3. debugs profile image70
      debugsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      C'mon let's get real and admit that he's right smile

      1. mohamedhmm profile image60
        mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        oh.. people; there is a big difference between religion, and some people  express themselves under pressure; may be you are christian but you could kill yourself or kill others as you see every day story about christian man killed his own family and others, and he is a christian; so, Is this christian man and others presented christianity?!; for sure no...
        oh people understand islam forst without ignorance...

    4. mohamedhmm profile image60
      mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      again; oh.. people; there is a big difference between religion, and some people  express themselves under pressure; may be you are christian but you could kill yourself or kill others as you see every day story about christian man killed his own family and others, and he is a christian; so, Is this christian man and others presented christianity?!; for sure no...
      oh people understand islam forst without ignorance...

    5. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The ones who blow themselves up are name sake muslims, acting as mercenaries, constantly fed by Zionists. Look around it's happening all over the world, Sudan, Pakistan, SriLanka, Palestine. They use to buy these kind of people from both sides, government and non - government (rebells / taliban etc) and make them fight, spread terror and demoralize Islam or any other system which itches their beloved systems of capitalism, zionism, freemasonary etc.

    6. love4life profile image61
      love4lifeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      dear Islam is the religion of peace. what you are saying is not the way of Islam but different reasons are behind that, those may be psychological, economical or racial etc.I'm a hindu by religion but I have a belief and faith On Islam because Islam gives Complete and better solution to our life as well as hereafter.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Better for who? I feel confident in saying not many muslims follow the idea of blowing anything up. It is those who insist that others follow their doctrine who are to blame on all sides of the argument including self proclaimed christians and others as well who are indoctrinated with hatred and fear.

        1. 0
          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I think we have the root problem. smile

  4. SiddSingh profile image59
    SiddSinghposted 7 years ago

    Islam is a great religion. But so is Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jewism et al. What is your point anyway?

    1. WHoArtNow profile image85
      WHoArtNowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You have a point.

      Sadly, the majority of the Western wall has a bad view of Islam because of only a small number of them.

      I know some people who are Islamic, none of them want to blow themselves up. It's the extremists we need to worry about, and of course we do. Due to the media, we fear the man on the train with the rucksack, if he is of a certain ethnic persuasion.

      Personally, I believe that one of the largest and most successful terrorist groups in the world, is the media. The definition of a terrorist

      "a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells"

      Hmm, kind of sums up the media. If they stopped making everything sound so "Hollywood" and stopped making it seem like it's much worse than it actually is, then it might quieten down the extremists.

      Sadly, the only thing that's likely to stop all of this, is a couple of 20 megaton Nukes served up about 5am.

      1. Eng.M profile image74
        Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        who controls media ?

        1. TheLoanConsultant profile image61
          TheLoanConsultantposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'll give you that one.

          1. getpaidtopost profile image60
            getpaidtopostposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            "Western wall has a bad view of Islam because of only a small number of them"?

            The Truth is the extremist are not true Muslim but are brain washed Muslim who think they are acting in the name of Ala. The 99.9999999999% of Muslim are good law abiding citizens and not a threat to society.


      2. TheLoanConsultant profile image61
        TheLoanConsultantposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You know, I have a question. I am a Christian and when come across Christians in my personal life who try to oppress other people I will say something about it. So do Muslims who are against violence know other Muslims who are for violence? And if so, what do they do about it? I always wondered about that? Because I know 2 Muslim people who are great ambassadors for their culture and I feel really bad for them because of the rep their religion has. If I needed it they would give me the shirt off their back. So I always wondered about this.

        1. 0
          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I am really coming to the conclusion that it was neither them, or Christians or any other religion that put enmity between us, but more like a snake who puts words in to confuse and set people against each other.

          I know some Muslims too and I went to a Mosque and just asked them myself.  She women there said, (and she was very kind and lovey person) something to the effect of, now they aren't really of God are they?

          It actually blew my mind.  I was thinking doyee, how did I miss that one.  The most obvious answer.  I also asked her why Muslims are fighting Christians.  She said, no what they do is what they do but for us in Islam, it means peace and we love Jesus.

          Then she asked me if believe Jesus is God.  I said no, she said do you believe Jesus is the son of God.  I said sure, that is what they call him.  And she said, no God does not have a son but Jesus is a prophet. 

          I said ok, doesn't bother me none, then I asked why they are fighting over that.  She said they are not.  But some people want to make you think that they are. 

          I also asked her, if we are all God's Children then how come Jesus cannot be the son of God.  And she said, when you put it that way, then yes he is but this isn't something that people understand.

          - and of course there was a lot more to understand about it but it's for me to say-

          1. TheLoanConsultant profile image61
            TheLoanConsultantposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Agreed. I'll be back in a few hours. We could chat. ciao

          2. usmanali81 profile image60
            usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            please sandra!

            dont make confussions. Son or sons of God refers to the phenomenon which directs towards the affection and love between the relationship of a father and son. Son or Sons of God does not refer to be begotted son or sons of God. Ask any christian pope, he will also give you this theme for the father and son/sons mentioned in Bibles. smile Hope you are getting the points in my replies.

        2. MBP42 profile image60
          MBP42posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Any given religion has extreme people, Christians had David Koresh the muslims have the radical imams that propagate bombs to get their point across. You cannot condemn all muslims based on the actions of a few. Their Koran does advocate killing unbelievers in a couple of verses that the radicals base their whole philosophy on. They get adherents because they are much more active in their communities than others. The loudest voice gets heard not necesarily the right voice. Non radical muslims just live their lives like anyone else Muslim does not mean suicide bomber. Radical muslim can mean suicide bomber but we must know there is a difference. We don't have to approve of thier religion but we have to not condemn all muslims based on the actions of the radicals. The Christian bible says judge not and you will not be judged, it also says the measuer you use will be used against you. Christ will hold us accountable for everything we say and do that does not line up with His will. Yes, this includes hating other religions. We are not called to hate them.

      3. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry, your info is very unrealistic.

        The 9/11 tragedy caused the growth of Islam in America to accelerate greatly. One of the clearest indications of this is that after the attacks, the Qur'an became the best-selling book in many states for a long time. American interest in the Qur'an increased to such an extent that Penguin Books, one of the best-known publishers of the Qur'an in English, reported that it had printed 20,000 extra copies after 9/11.54

        USA Today reported on this intense interest in "People Want to Know, so Koran is Bestseller," saying that sales of the Qur'an had increased by five times.55

        For more detailed authentic references, please click on the following
        http://www.riseofislam.com/islam_in_america_06.html

      4. 0
        \Brenda Scullyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hey I like this comment very much..... I like your name and avatar, I am going to be your fan,.... do you like Cat Stevens..

        1. Eng.M profile image74
          Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I do like Cat Steven , I think he is a good guy

          have you listend to his old song '' Wild Life '' ?

    2. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Every religion was great and were for the people of their respective times. Islam is the last and final religion rather a complete way of life for the whole of human kind.

      Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, almost all the religions teach to follow only ONE God - ALLAH but their followers DONT. All these religions prophecised the comming of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the last and final messenger from Allah and instructed to follow him but their followers DONT. So it's the duty of a Muslim to inform them, next, it's their choice. Nobody can force you. smile

  5. 60
    sheawat_pereaposted 7 years ago

    i dont think that islam is a religion of peace. THOSE MUSLIM people must prove to all that they are true muslim by there deeds..

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The criteria for judging Islam is not Muslims. It's Qur'an and the last and final messenger Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

  6. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    I haven't seen many but here's an Islamic web site that denounces terrorism.
    http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com/ … alism.html

    Not many know that tens of thousands, both Muslims and Christians witnessed sightings of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Cairo, Egypt in the 1960s.
    http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/vmary.htm

    I very much like the similarities between Islam and Christianity.  Muslims recognize the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary, they give reverence to Jesus and Mary, they believe the antichrist (they call it the dajjal) has to come before Jesus returns to do away with the antichrist and a lot of other similarities.  What I don't get about Islam is the fact that they do believe that Jesus will return and do away with the antichrist to make everything perfect, but they believe Jesus is just a prophet and not God.  No other prophet has done anything similar.  That is quite the job for just a prophet, isn't it?

    Mike

    1. 0
      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Someone explained it to me this way... because God (Allah) is above All.  or like Jesus said, "A pupil is not above his teacher, but everyone that is perfectly instructed will be like his teacher.

      So while they revere Mohammad as the last ( I believe) prophet, it is not fair or right to place one above the other because God is Above all and no one, even in perfection is better than the other.

      Though I may have it wrong so maybe someone from the Islamic faith can come and explain it better for us.  Eng M. maybe?  Where you at Eng.M?  smile

      1. Lifebydesign profile image79
        Lifebydesignposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I like what you said here Sandra and is very much part of my faith where none of the prophets is better than the other. In fact none of the prophets ever denigrated another. They come at a different time and place, but always from the same source, with the same inherent principles like the Golden Rule which is present in every religion, but with different social teachings that reflect the needs of the day as part of an ongoing progressive revelation. We might call it Monday, Tuesday, Wed etc but its the light from the same Sun.

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So correct-The Prophets are One smile.
          The stages of life are man then God -man or prophet and then God-when man no longer exists.

        2. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, light from the same sun but light consists of rays and different type of rays (in terms of their intensity and reach) for different times and differnt people. The last ray is ISLAM which is for the last group of people until the end of universe. Islam confirms and respects all the previous Prophets and their respective revelations. All of those prophets and revelations prophecised about the coming of the last and final Messenger Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and instructed to follow him. Even hinduism has got this information. So, please go back to your scriptures and read them in context. I will try to give the direct references if someone wants.

      2. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        My dear!

        Allah is the greatest. All are equal in the eyes of God. I am glad you are getting the stuff.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And what does Allah say about homosexuals?

          1. usmanali81 profile image60
            usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            smile totally forbidden, NOT ALLOWED

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The act is forbidden or the person who is homosexual is forbidden?

              1. Eng.M profile image74
                Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                not a such difference

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  How can a person be forbidden?

                  1. Eng.M profile image74
                    Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    that's funny smile
                    it means unwelcome

    2. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Dear Make!

      Your question is absolutly valid and relevent. You are just one click away to find out your answer. If you have time then click on http://hubpages.com/hub/JESUS-CHRIST-PBUH

  7. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    But Sandra there is lots of proof in the Bible that Jesus is God though.  Not just from His apostles but from Jesus Himself.  In John 10:30 Jesus says "I and the Father are one."

    It would be nice to see us come together.

    Yeah I wouldn't mind getting Eng M. to answer my question.  I'll post it again.

    What I don't get about Islam is the fact that they do believe that Jesus will return and do away with the antichrist (dajjal) to make everything perfect, but they believe Jesus is just a prophet and not God.  No other prophet has done anything similar.  That is quite the job for just a prophet, isn't it?

    Mike

    1. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But in this passage Jesus is not saying he is God, but rather that he is of God's equal in heaven, by his grace and that he, Christ's rite of passage comes about his duty to forgiveness.

    2. Lifebydesign profile image79
      Lifebydesignposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Mike not remembering where this quote is isn't there also a reference to Jesus saying that He also comes from God. We often take one thing in isolation but its the complete revelation of the prophets, the indicators of their station and the transformations they brought to the world that are the 'fruits' we should examine. Mohammed for example infused huge developments in mathematics and was responsible for many advancements. Prophets have been characterised by their innate knowledge and their ability to transform hearts which is why there are huge numbers of followers of the major religions (not the denominations per se). If people don't recognise the prophet, or follow His teachings -I'm talking in general- its not the fault of the prophet but our own inability to examine without judgement and with clear eyes, yeh?

      1. 0
        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That is very insightful LBD.  smile

      2. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        These Zionists (not ordianry christians, jews or hindus) have vanished the whole history from their text books which deals with the contributions of Muslims in the field of science specially when europe was indulged in its DARK AGES. Please refer to the following infamous web site

        DISCOVER THE 1000 YEARS OF MISSING HISTORY
        http://www.muslimheritage.com

    3. 0
      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I certainly understand Jesus said this but these are my thoughts on my acceptance of Christ as god but not God.  Either way I really want us to come together as well.  smile

      http://thanksgod.org/?page_id=2

    4. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus is Mohammad----- Mohammad is Jesus= Buddha, Zaratushtra,Krishna, Mahavira, Guru Nanak.

      1. RKHenry profile image80
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        \
        I respectfully disagree.  I don't know what I believe to be the truth, but this doesn't seem reasonable.  Too broad perhaps.

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Its is the truth all humans should understand-its high time these foolish wars in the name of One god stops.

      2. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No Sir smile

        Jesus (pbuh) = Jesus (pbuh)
        Muhammad (pbuh) = Muhammad (pbuh)

        The prophets came one after another as successors.

        Every thing is not God smile
        Every thing is God's, He is the creator, the ultimate one.

        He created humans, the ultimate machine (creation) from God and Prophets are specially appointed personel for delivering the message of God to others and give them guidance

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I see god in all things.All is Allah. smile

    5. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      John 10:30, I and the Father are one.

      For context,
      You have to go to the Gospel of John, Ch. No.10,
      Verse No. 23, that  ‘Jesus walked into the temple, in Solomon’s porch’.
      Verse No. 24 says, and the Jews came around him and asked him. ‘How long does thou make us doubt? - If thou art the Christ, tell us plainly’.
      Verse No.25 says, ‘I told you, but you believe me not - the works that I do in my father’s name, - they bear witness of me.  Verse No.26 says that, ‘you believe not because you are not my sheep, as I   said unto  you’. The Jews, they are asking Jesus Christ  (peace be upon him) that ‘Why don’t you speak plainly?’. So he tells them that…‘Yes I am the Messiah - I have told you clearly, but because you are not my sheep, you don’t believe in me.

      Verse No.27 continues…Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) continues saying that… ‘My sheep - they hear my voice, and I know them - and they follow me.
      Verse No.28, that… ‘I give them eternal life - no man can pluck them out of my hand, and they shall not perish’.
      Verse No.29 says ‘My father who giveth to me, He is greater than all - No man can pluck them out of my father’s hand. Then
      Verse No. 30 says, ‘I and my father are one’ – ‘Any person who has little bit sense can make out,  ‘I and my father are one’ doesn’t mean one - as one person. It means one is purpose.
      Verse No.28 says, ‘No man can pluck them out of my hand – Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) says- ‘No man can pluck them out of my hand’.
      Verse No.29 is saying. ‘No man can pluck them out of my father’s hand’.
      Verse No.30 says  ‘I and my father are one’ -In purpose. Both Jesus Christ  (peace be upon him) and Almighty God - they are one in purpose.

      If I say that my father is an Engineer - Even I am an Engineer. If I say, ‘I and my father are one’ - What does it mean? It means one in purpose - As Engineering profession, my father is an Engineer  - Even I am an Engineer. It doesn’t mean that ‘I and my father are one’ -In person. It means my father is an Engineer - even I am an Engineer.

      So, God and Jesus(pbuh) were one in profession, not one in person.

  8. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    No RKHenry Jesus is clearly saying He is God in John 10:30.  John 1:1, Matthew 11:27, Luke 10:22 are just some verses that speak of the Divinity of Jesus and the whole chapter of John 14 talks about the Trinity.  Matthew 28:19 says "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

    1. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You got me.  I'm not familiar with those verses.  I am just familiar with what my parents always said.  I don't think they were bible readers either.  Who knows where they got the crazy idea that Christ was the son of God and not God himself. 

      Confused.  But hey thanks.

      1. 0
        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think what is best for us to be together and worlds apart is to start looking for all the things that are good.  To start focusing on the good instead of looking to snuff out what is bad because by looking for what is good, we are snuffing out what is bad.

        I think we can already see what is bad and that it has been there so long and in some ways we have become acclimated to looking for those things to, I guess, protect ourselves from it and all along we have been against each other who are for the same. 

        It doesn't make sense.  Like what Jesus said about pulling the straw from your brothers eyes when you have a rafter in your own eye. 

        I came to the conclusion that the "rafter" in my own eye is that for every straw drawn from another is yet another in my own.  I don't have just one straw in my eye but I have many that I can see in my brothers.  So when I see it in my brothers I need only to remove it from myself.

        And I believe it is a continual process.  I believe I will always be a seeker and I will find many things and I will understand many things but when it comes to the last straw the only one who can remove this from my eye is God. 

        Because, what you cannot see in me, I also cannot see in myself.  I hope this makes some sense.  smile

        1. Lifebydesign profile image79
          Lifebydesignposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I get it, makes sense smile

    2. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So why did Jesus when he was on the cross say" why have you forsaken me? "

      Everything is God-this entire cosmos is God-Jesus understood himself and so he made the statement that he is the son of God or he is God.

      The little finger is part of the body,the same way is man part of the cosmos or gods body.

      Like Hindus have On Namo Shiva-  I bow to god

      Shiv ho hum- I am God.  smile

      1. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Please correct your understanding related to Hindism books. Refer to the following for One God who has got no image, no partner (world, universe etc)

        Ekam evaditiyam
        “He is One only without a second” - Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1

        Na casya kasuj janita na cadhipah
        “Of Him there are neither parents nor Lord” - Svetasavatara Upanishad 6,9 part II page 263

        Na tasya pratima asti
        “There is no image of Him - Yajurved 32:3

        Ma chidanyadvi shansata
        “O friends, do not worship any body but Him, the Divine One. - Rigveda Book 8:1:1

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Do understand Hindu philosophy has both concepts.The Muslim concept that even the prophet cannot be compared to god and the Christian concept where the prophet is equated with god.Both are correct smile
          Om namo shiva -I bow to god and Shiv ho hum- I am god are both true.
          All is Allah so you and everything are a part of him.The essence pervades everything. smile

          1. usmanali81 profile image60
            usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Please read the verses you mentioned in context, then you will realize what does it actually mean. There is a hell of difference between God (Caps G) and god (small g).

            1. mohitmisra profile image60
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I am a knower of god or Allah.I write on him as he has instructed me to,the very purpose I am here on this planet right now, to spread his message smile
              And what is the difference for you as I don't see any difference.

  9. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    I guess I addressed what you said in my previous post Lifebydesign (nice name by the way).  See Lifebydesign there is just way too much proof in the Bible, both in the Old and New Testaments for a Christian to not recognize Jesus as God.

    Maybe Eng M. will try to answer my question.

    I've tried many times to get an answer to my question from a Muslim but I don't believe I have got one yet.

  10. Eng.M profile image74
    Eng.Mposted 7 years ago

    happy days to you
    makemany , Sandra and all the others

    I hope I could answer your question Makemoney about why we think Jesus is just a prophet, yet he is still alive and would come in the end of days to kill the antichrist

    First, muslims don't differentiate between any prophet
    we have to believe on all of them as equal prophets sent by God

    God says:
    (The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys ) 2:285
    Quran
    YUSUFALI translation


    But, each prophet was better than others in some area and so all humans
    ex: some people have special skills and other people have others.

    Moses had many miracels and was a very strong man
    Jesus was very nice ,soft and a man with special capabilities like bringing some dead to life
    Suliman could deal with jins and control them
    and Mohammed had the Quran ,the preserved book on earth

    In addition to Jesus abilities, God has given him miraculous birth and death to test people in some way
    his death comes after thousands of years fom his born which was a miracle in itsself

    So, God is capable of doing everything
    he has many characteristics described by his 99 names and his characteristics appear in his actions

    thanx

    1. Make  Money profile image73
      Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks Eng.M

      My next question was going to be "but why will it be Jesus that kills the antichrist and not Moses, Isaiah, Jeremias, Daniel or even Mohamed?"  But it looks like you have already answered that by saying "each prophet was better than others in some area."

      Belief in the divinity of Jesus and in the Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is a fundamental belief of all Christians.

      So it looks like we are at an impasse as to coming together as one for the time being.

      But we can continue to try to foster an open dialogue and peace.

      Thanks again Eng.M
      Mike

      1. RKHenry profile image80
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Make Money how do you know that it won't be Muhammed?  The bible?  Do you have any other resource other than that?  Curious.

        1. Make  Money profile image73
          Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah from the Bible but also from Muslims RKHenry.  See, that was the reason for my original question.  Muslims also believe that Jesus will return to do away with the antichrist.  I think it's pretty cool that both Muslims and Christians believe that.

          1. RKHenry profile image80
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That is cool.  Do they both believe in Christ?

      2. Eng.M profile image74
        Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Also, he is making this role because God knows there will be a big controversy at the end of days about who really Jesus was ?


        there is one prayer in Islam says:
        thanks God who didn't have a son

        you know why ? because I don't know either

        may be because that will confuse us and let many enities control us

        what you think ?



        we don't need to

        we need to learn from each other


        all the time, with love



        No
        thank you MakeMoney

      3. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Your question is again very valid.

        Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) is alive and was not killed.

        The three major misconceptions which we see around in the Christian world, Jesus (pbuh)’s death, his claim to be God and the concept of TRINITY, were merely developed by the Christian elders and due to this very reason Jesus (pbuh) will return to earth before the end of time for proving them to be wrong and killing the Antichrist (Dajjal) for the peace to prevail on earth. Jesus (pbuh) is the only messenger of Allah from the total of 124 thousand messengers in the history of mankind, whose followers, majority of them consider him to be divine, the begotten son of God and was killed by Jews on the cross ruthlessly. All these type of things, attributed to Jesus (pbuh) are unique in the sense because none of the other messengers of Allah faced these types of allegations which the Christians attribute to Jesus Christ (pbuh). His return is also mentioned in Bible without any doubt.

        Do you know, when Jesus (pbuh) will return, these popes, priests and missionaries will approach him and say

        Bible - " Oh master, oh master, did'nt we do miracles on your name ..... Jesus (pbuh) replies ..... oh men of inequity depart from here, i do not even know you".

        This will be the statement of Jesus (pbuh) to christians and that's the main reason of his return to earth, to prove to the christians that he never claimed divinity or trinity and he was not dead. Look at the irony, the word TRINITY which these popes cry about does not exists in the complete range and flavours of Bibles, the old and the new testaments alike.

        For other detailes please click on http://hubpages.com/hub/JESUS-CHRIST-PBUH

    2. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sandra asked this question and I have answered it for her- make money can look it up.

  11. Eng.M profile image74
    Eng.Mposted 7 years ago

    Makemoney
    believe me , I read the holy bibel and I found that Jesus didn't say 'I am God' or 'worship me'

    they were all interpretations made after his death by the monks

    he could be his son as we are his sons
    but he is one of the best sons
    (if son means that God has crated us from him)

    is it from perfection of God to have a son as we have sons?
    does he need to show us his love this way? aren't there other ways ?

    God says:
    (Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;  And there is none like unto Him. ) 112
    Quran
    YUSUFALI translation

    There is no God but the one who gave everything

    regards

  12. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    Yes but they don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.  They think He was just a prophet.  Muslims show reverence to both Jesus and Mary, which is also cool I think.

    1. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How do you feel about the fact that Christ was both?  Is that a possibility?  If not why?

      1. Lifebydesign profile image79
        Lifebydesignposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I like this - both. Why does it have to be 'either/or' it can be 'and' in some instances.

    2. Lifebydesign profile image79
      Lifebydesignposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I've always thought divinity was related to being a prophet? Baha'is by the way believe in the divine station of all the prophets - or Manifestations of God as we call them.

      1. RKHenry profile image80
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I still don't understand why can't Christ be both.

        1. Lifebydesign profile image79
          Lifebydesignposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You mean man and Prophet? He can, and from what I remember he alludes to it Himself.

          1. RKHenry profile image80
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Son and prophet.

            1. Lifebydesign profile image79
              Lifebydesignposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Absolutely.

              In fact Moses if I remember correctly was the 'Friend' of God. It is a progressive revelation after all. [As an aside: we go to the next class of school with a different teacher, but that doesn't mean we say the one before was wrong or ignorant, or couldn't teach us about more advanced things. They teach us what is relevant for the social and spiritual needs of the time that they appear and to our capacity to get it. Not that we always do, or want to smile ]

  13. johnb0127 profile image76
    johnb0127posted 7 years ago

    Where ever I go, I cant escape you, can I RK? LOL

    AEvans, your right.  I apologize.  But Islam is not the religion of peace, everyone knows that.  Thats all Ill say!  smile lol

    1. Eng.M profile image74
      Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Proofs please ? from Kuran

      and don't refer to some Muslims as Islam

      Islam is different from Muslims

      peace

  14. johnb0127 profile image76
    johnb0127posted 7 years ago

    I was actually just thinking that Misha.  RKHenry, are you a guy or a girl?  lol

  15. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    He just spilled the secret on another thread smile

  16. 0
    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I would respectfully disagree with you, RK, smile

    These figures are all symbols of the enlightened human being/God throughout various cultures.  It is a universal mythos I believe he is suggesting.  Broad enough for me to be able to handle it--if you know what I'm saying.

    1. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, and I'm happy for you.  But still its too broad for me.  I wish somebody would of thought to ask me why.  Maybe then the problem could've been address.  I don't know, but food for thought.  I did leave an open ended statement. I was looking for answers not rebuttals.   Respectfully speaking.


      Rosa Parks isn't Ghandi and Ghandi wasn't Rosa Parks, but they still wanted the same thing.  That's what I'm saying.  They were different men for a reason.  To pretend to know that reason is something different.

      1. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And Lita was looking for a spiced up intellectual flirt. Adjust accordingly smile

        1. RKHenry profile image80
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I missed that one.  Oops.

        2. 0
          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Now, Misha!  Don't be jealous!  That's bad.

          RK--Ignore Misha, please.  He really doesn't know what he's saying half the time, wink
          So, OK, open ended.  What do you think?  (It really wasn't a rebuttal.  Just my thoughts.)

          I think that there can be universals with cultural specifics--especially in regard to these 'enlightened being/ Christ figures.'  Rosa & Ghandi I see as a bit different...

          1. RKHenry profile image80
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Lita Girl, you crack me up.

            When you say "universals"- do you mean universal meaning? Principles? Ideas? Beliefs?

            1. 0
              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              All of the above.  Can be found in almost any realm--a la Joseph Campbell, idea of "Mythos," if you have read him.

              I didn't read the beginning of this thread, so...  I see now your question about Christ being both God and Prophet.  And really see no reason why not.  I would view that as transcendence in stages....and perhaps we all are doing that.

              I do think mohitmisra makes a lot of sense.  Concerning religion, I personally do not like a lot of specifics or organization, either--this is what all that Old World fighting and killing was/is about, in my eyes.  Some, like Mark Knowles, would say get rid of God all together.  I'd say, people--stop being so stupid and by all means practice a measure of decency and tolerance all around.

              1. RKHenry profile image80
                RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Would hate to comment knowing I might be strung up like Mrs. Wetridge.  If you know what I mean Lita.

      2. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        They taught exactly the same thing.Here the essence is the same in all of them.

        1. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          smile taught the same thing, that does not mean i am you and you are me.

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Here in this dimension we split up but we come from the one and will always be one. You are me and I am you. All is me from my view point.One.

                    "Nothing really belongs to me,
            At the same time all is mine as far as I can see " smile

            1. Capable Woman profile image79
              Capable Womanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I read this somewhere...you are God in the form of (mohitmisra, in this case) and I am the same God in the form of Capable Woman.

              We are the same God in different forms... I dunno, I find this quite beautiful and it helps me empathize with others.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Happy you can relate with this truth you are indeed a goddess. smile

            2. usmanali81 profile image60
              usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              But dear, what about the verses from veda which directs Hindus to worship only ONE God and do not add partners, images or idols to Him. Have a look at the following

              Ekam evaditiyam
              “He is One only without a second” - Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1

              Na casya kasuj janita na cadhipah
              “Of Him there are neither parents nor Lord” - Svetasavatara Upanishad 6,9 part II page 263

              Na tasya pratima asti
              “There is no image of Him - Yajurved 32:3

              Ma chidanyadvi shansata
              “O friends, do not worship any body but Him, the Divine One. - Rigveda Book 8:1:1

              Also Hinduism have prophesized about the Qur’an and Muhammad (pbuh) and instructed to follow Muhammad (pbuh) when you find him or become aware of him.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You are only looking at on part of the philosophy as it matches the Muslim philosophy.if you read more you will understand more .
                Aham Bhramasmi-- I am Brahma, Om Namo Shiva- I am Shiva exist i Hindu philosphy.
                Tat Tvam Asi -"Thou art that," "That thou art," or "You are that,"
                An idol is a physical manifestation of the divine  and its okay to start with it but one needs to go beyond to the formless.

                The Hindus also believe Muhammad is not the last prophet .The last prophet will be born into a bhramin family, will write and unite the religions. smile
                Age of Aquarius will witness a great prophet from the east has been prophecised. - that means NOW. smile

                1. Paraglider profile image88
                  Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  And apart from yourself, Mohit, who do you think might be the One?

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Paragilder my friend ,this is my job smile

                2. usmanali81 profile image60
                  usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  hhmmm, so you want to say that Hinduism consists of two philosophies. One is concerned with One God, the creator of all things and the other is One God, comprising in himself all the things which we see around??? And it's a choice in Hinduism to follow any of the two???

                  Comming to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) issue. Please refer to the following which clearly prophecise Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

                  a)Bhavishya Purana, Parv 3, Khand 3, Adhaya 3, Shloka 5-8
                  “A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a both in the ‘Panchgavya’ and the Ganges water (i.e. purging him of all time) offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, “I make obeisance to thee, ‘Oye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents.”


                  b)    Bhavishya Purana, Parv 3, Khand 3, Adhaya 3, Shloka 10-27
                  c)    Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 127, Verses 1-113 (kuntap sukla)
                  d)    Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 21, Verse 6
                  e)    Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 21, Verse 7
                  f)    Samveda, Book 2, Hymn 6, Verse 8

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    hhmmm, so you want to say that Hinduism consists of two philosophies. One is concerned with One God, the creator of all things and the other is One God, comprising in himself all the things which we see around??? And it's a choice in Hinduism to follow any of the two???

                    Both these philosophies are correct.Be open minded.
                    If you contradict the second part then you are saying ,
                    all is not Allah.

                    I never said Muhammad is not a great prophet ,he is very, very great.What I am saying is Jesus is equally great and Islam is not greater than Christianity because of the difference in philosophy.They had exactly the same message of oneness and love to humanity from God.

                    Prophet Muhammad- "salla allahu alayhi wa sallam" meaning “To your be your religion, to me be mine.”

                    He taught tolerance between religions and never said his was the true and greatest religion which some Muslims do today.Some foolish Christians also say Jesus is the greatest and this ego only leads to stupid wars which needs to stop. smile

  17. 0
    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I do no 'stringing.'  lol.  I simply am not that mean.  (And if it seems like it--keep in mind it is always only done with slight humor attached with those I think can handle it.)

    But doubt I have 'answers' anyway, so OK!

  18. apeksha profile image60
    apekshaposted 7 years ago

    I dont belive on religions so I cant write anyting..Islam ,Hindu....

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You have to have a reason for not believing but if you do not believe on religions then i must present ISLAM to you as the ultimate way of life as ISLAM at first, claims to be the ultimate way of life which encompasses Islam as a religion as well.

  19. Paraglider profile image88
    Paragliderposted 7 years ago

    Usmanali81 - you have clearly come here to 'prove' that your religion is the only true one and that all others are either wrong or superseded by yours.

    Just so we know the benefits of your religion, please provide a brief description of what awaits a christian, a hindu and an atheist or agnostic after death.

    Please contrast this with what awaits a muslim after death. Please tell us in your own words, without reference to scripture. Thank you for your time.

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      For Both, Muslims and Non-Muslims alike, there is another life which is eternal and that's the thing which awaits us. Death is actually a transition to another life. There, to live eternally, are two places, Hell and Heaven. So, after getting the message and signs from Allah, we are bound to follow him and his given way of life - ISLAM which was also the way of life for all the preceding prophets and their companions.

      1. Paraglider profile image88
        Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And how do you know this is true, except by reference to the Quran?

        1. Eng.M profile image74
          Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          hi Paraglider ,
          I hope Usman would execuse me

          because as I muslim
          you simply submit to the creator

          you start by pondering creatures , believe in a power
          you read the books and have faith

          faith is something you believe but without seeing God
          this faith becomes as a reality as much as you ponder the world , study it and think about it

          best reagrds

          1. Paraglider profile image88
            Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            In other words you can't do it without begging the question. You can't simply submit to the creator if you don't think there's a creator. In other words, you can't start without having already started. Therein lies the irrationality.

            1. Eng.M profile image74
              Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              OK
              belief increases & decreases in your heart affected by what you do

              it isn't a white or black issue

              of course you have to know and fear him to submit
              it is a sequential process no irrationality on that
              think about it like two starts ..not one

        2. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Dear Paraglider,

          Qur'an speaks about future in several places, off which almost 80% have become proved now, by established science, for instance, consider the following scientific facts in accordance with Qur'anic Verses.

          Regarding the origin of the universe:
          According to “The Big Bang”, the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula). Then there was a BIG BANG (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc. The origin of the universe was unique and the probability of it happening by “chance” is nill.

          “Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?” Qur’an Ch 21:V30

          Regarding the impermanence of the sun’s existence:
          The light of the sun is due to a chemical process on its surface that has been taking place continuously for the past five billion years. It will come to an end at some point of time in the future, when the sun will be totally extinguished, leading to extinction of all life on earth.

          “And the Sun runs its course for a period determined for it; that is the decree of (Him) the exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.” Qur’an Ch 36:V38

          Regarding the nature of the universe:
          Edwin Hubble, provided observational evidence that all galaxies are moving away from one another, which implies that the universe is expanding. The expansion of the universe is now an established scientific fact.

          “With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: For it is We Who create the vastness of Space.”
          Qur’an Ch51:V47

          Now, if a logical person ponders then he / she will come to the conclusion that "If Qur'an is 80% in complete accordance with established science then the remaining 20% which are not yet proved by science, for example, Heaven, Hell, Life after Death, will also be proved as correct and perfect in future where science becomes more advance.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Dude - it is really bad form to cut and paste arguments taken from other websites word for word.

            http://www.hallagulla.com/urdu/islam-mu … 71844.html

            1. usmanali81 profile image60
              usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              smile Yes, of course but it's good to copy from a website which has no copy rights, for example,

              http://www.irf.net/irf/main.htm
              http://www.peacetv.tv/
              http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.info/info/english.php

              1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I was more talking about you trying to pass these off as your own arguments rather than the copyright aspect.

                I know your religion does not encourage you to think for yourself, but still......

                Very bad form. And rude.

                1. usmanali81 profile image60
                  usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this
            2. Shil1978 profile image88
              Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Mark - there are a group of guys like him on another forum I know of. They have lots of such cut-n-paste items saved on their PC. They spend all their time trying to prove Islam as the greatest religion ever, the one and only truth, etc. Its best to ignore folks like him.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I know - I started a thread about this recently after finding a christian website that suggested people cut and paste from their site to use as arguments against people who choose not to believe their stuff:

                http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/14169

                Which goes to one of my core arguments against most religions in that they discourage people from thinking for themselves. smile

                Not really sure what one would hope to achieve by doing this.

                1. usmanali81 profile image60
                  usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  lol Mark! what a funny guy you are lol

                  For your kind info religions have books which are to be followed.
                  Only in ISMs you can do and think anything you want, whether kill, butcher, rape, sex, loot, raid, plunder, gamble, decieve drink, ............ the list does not seem to end big_smile

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    LOL - Yours is just another ISM - which allows lying apparently. wink

                    For your kind information - I do not lie. I do not take other people's words and pretend they are my own.

              2. usmanali81 profile image60
                usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                First of all, i do not cut smile rather copy and paste. This action is done only for the valid references. It's very legall and you can also do it.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Adding a link to make a point of reference is not what you are doing. Legality has nothing to do with it. This is a moral issue. You are cutting and pasting other people's words and attempting to pass them of as your own. This is lying. Isn't that a punishable offense against Allah?

                  1. Shil1978 profile image88
                    Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    smile IMHO - its a punishable offense. Usman, are you a robot?

          2. Paraglider profile image88
            Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I've seen all that pseudo-scientific stuff before, in a printed book claiming to prove that Islam predicted modern science. Unfortunately, vague phrases that can be interpreted retrospctively to have been prophecies carry no weight as argument.
            What you are saying is that the Quran can be said to be in accordance with rigorous scientific discoveries, therefore where it diverges completely even from the field of scientific study, it should be taken to be absolutely true.
            Sorry, but your argument doesn't stand up.

            1. usmanali81 profile image60
              usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              If there is a choice between two things to eat A and B. And you have to choose only one of them to survive.

              A is 80% pure
              B is 20% pure

              Which one will you prefer ???

              1. Paraglider profile image88
                Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Pure what? Pure drivel, maybe.

                Look - if have a box of clock parts and I shake them all together, will they turn into a clock? No of course they won't. But that, and all other baby metaphors, do not constitute sensible argument. Apart from quoting scripture and other people's leavings, you've not said anything yet to support your case.

                1. usmanali81 profile image60
                  usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Imagine, without typical metaphores, how boring the lecture of a teacher will be, how boring will be the speach of Obama, how difficult to make a child understand, how difficult to explain the theory of reletivity smile Therefore, relevant metaphores are a MUST to use for a good writing and speach smile

                  1. Shil1978 profile image88
                    Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Why don't you just give evidence for your views, instead of using smileys and adjectives.

                  2. Paraglider profile image88
                    Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    relevant being the operative word.

              2. Shil1978 profile image88
                Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                How pompous and arrogant of you to claim that. No wonder tolerance of other religions doesn't come naturally to people like you.

                1. usmanali81 profile image60
                  usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  i am very tolerant, i did'nt kill you yet wink

  20. Capable Woman profile image79
    Capable Womanposted 7 years ago

    Rajabilil and others on here who are supposed to understand Islam, please check this out:

    http://hubpages.com/hub/islamicsects

    and tell me what you think.

    Thanks

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this
  21. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    Please refer to the books written by NON MUSLIM celebrated Historians. I stressed on Non Muslims because most of the readers do not agree with the Muslim Hisorians.

    http://hubpages.com/hub/READ-NEXT

  22. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    In the near future i will be writing a hub (INSHA ALLAH)  mentioning some of the beautiful, informative websites worth visiting because most of the non muslims and muslims alike access some wrong websites which does clearly delivers the true message of Islam and these kind of sites are just injected into the NET for maligning and degrading ISLAM and promoting PRAGMATISM (successor of ATHEISM), CAPITALISM AND ZIONISM.

  23. Direxmd profile image89
    Direxmdposted 7 years ago

    I appreciate the good side of Islam, Christianity & Judaism.  I understand the hypocracy, violence and hatred that have occured, and will continue to occur--there is only so much I can do.  I just want to save a life, help others out, and maybe teach someone peace (once I learn that abstract concept myself, in it's most pure state [but even then, what is that?])

    Religion is how you translate it, I don't think there is any "religion of peace", since humans are all different, translate religion different, and thus violence may occur (sometimes on global, genocidal levels).

    I'm not understating the seriousness of religious violence, I just understand why it occurs, and the psychology behind it.  A calm mind acts quicker, swifter and more precisely.

    Selam

    1. bettylafea profile image60
      bettylafeaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      what do u mean there is no religion of peace...as far as i'm concern there is no religion that does not promote peace...all religion promotes freedom, kindness and good deeds...it's just us as an individual take this thing for granted which explains the violence and hatred amongst each other

  24. jayb23 profile image72
    jayb23posted 7 years ago

    I fail to understand why people fight in the name of God and religion. God must be laughing at all of us thinking what kind of jokers HE has created. Religion is nothing but a road map to reach the Almighty and there is nothing wrong in having different road maps. We have all the time in the world to say our map is better than his road map. Time we all grow up.

    1. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Too many roads to choose from. Trouble is, they are ALL dead ends. Even if they could reach the "gate", they will find it shut.
      Jesus is that gate, and many will not be able to go through. (for obvious reasons). sad

    2. Eng.M profile image74
      Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Jay

      sometimes it might be the case

      but sometimes people need to discuss with love to have a strong faith

      both cases may coexist , I hope we would be from the last type

      thanx

    3. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile Yes, it's time to grow up and do not count 2+2=5.

      Dear, If ISLAM claims to be the final word of God and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the final messenger of God whom each and every human being must follow then their is a reason for that and the foremost reason is that the same message is prophecised in alimost all ohter religious scriptures and they instruct their followers to start following ISLAM if you find it.

      So now, what's the problem in accepting ISLAM if your own religions are directing you.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        But FSM came after islam. Surely this is the true religion to follow? Did you try what I suggested? You will feel much better afterwards.

        You probably won't be afraid of gay people any more either. wink

        1. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          neutral We dont get affraid. Remember, we dont join army to earn

  25. Eng.M profile image74
    Eng.Mposted 7 years ago

    homosexuality

    and more more

    of course some diseases are not only becauce of homosexuality

  26. Mark Knowles profile image59
    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago

    lol

    And therein lies the ridiculous contradiction of your irrational beliefs. Islam is another religion of hate and intolerance.

    That is why I asked the original question. You said the people were forbidden. Don't see how you can do that.

    Do you think homosexuals should be punished?

    1. Eng.M profile image74
      Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      you may need to read more and write less
      do not just repeat what people say


      where did I say that
      qute me please



      no if they didn't do it in public

      and for myself , honestly , I don't either love or hate them

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        i thought that up all by myself thanks. Unlike yourself - I can think for myself instead of parroting stuff from a 1600 year old hate manual.




        Try thinking for yourself instead of just repeating the stuff in your book. You might see how irrational you are being. lol

        1. Eng.M profile image74
          Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          thank you for your time sir ..big_smile

  27. vanidiana profile image59
    vanidianaposted 7 years ago

    If you come to my country (Indonesia), you'll see the majority of Indonesians are Muslims, many of the Muslim women wear veils, with variety of clothes; long pants, skirts, or long dresses. We go to school, study in university, get married, and raise our children.

    We do what other people all around the world do everyday; go to work and earn some money. None of my family members thinks of blowing him self or hurts others who aren't Muslims, what for? It's busy enough taking care of our own families, why bother doing irrational things such as hurting others?

    About homosexuality, actually that is not the only thing forbidden in Islam. Muslims are also not allowed to drink alcohol, pork meat, or engaged in sexual relationship unless they are married.

    Whether one likes it or not, when one embraces Islam, he must follow the rules. That way, he can show God (Allah) that he has become the good follower.

    BUT, God (Allah) says in Quran that there's no force for anyone to embrace Islam. Being a Muslim or not is a man's choice, even those who have embraced Islam the first time must never force others to do the same, let alone hurt them.

    About some Muslims who prefer do the 'harsh' ways, I think the problem is not as easy as calling them 'terrorists'. Even us Indonesians had to fight over our freedom for 350 years before the first president proclaimed Indonesia's Independence in 1945. Long before the year, we fought Portuguese, Netherlands, UK, and Japan's colonial governments and troops who came to Indonesia and tried to rule us. I think the same thing may be happening to the Muslims in Iraq, Pakistan, or Afghanistan right now. Maybe it's because we're seeing the battle now, that we address them as terrorists. Perhaps, hundreds of years later, our grandsons don't even recognize any battle that has ever happened there because the countries have become a safe, prosperous, free places to live.

    All in all, I think it's very rude to accuse and generalize that all Muslims are 'terrorists' and Islam is 'another religion of hate and intolerance'. Muslims are just like any other people in the world who want peaceful life to live (so are the Christians, Buddhists, Hindus). The rules in Islam are set only for the followers, when you're a Muslim you should obey them but you don't have to if you're not. NONETHELESS, being a Muslim is choice, not a force. 

    Forgive my lack in English.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think you should read a few of the other posts and threads - see how many of them are clearly showing hatred and intolerance towards gay people.

      They do not seem to have a problem with people eating bacon sandwiches, but the gay thing is obviously intolerant.

      And your English is fine. smile

      1. tksensei profile image62
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Just like your attitude towards religion in general, 'twin.'

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Like I said - if you have nothing to say why bother? I mean - I am up for a good argument, but your inane one liners are unlikely to do much for me.

          Try saying something - go ahead - I will argue with you. Or does your religion rely solely on antagonizing people? Do you even have any opinions that are not negative one liners? lol

          1. tksensei profile image62
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I have to say what I said: You're a thick-headed bigot just like that other guy.

      2. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        When the Creator wants you to have women then why you run after GAYISM ?????????????????????????????????????

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe your creator is a homophobe like you?

  28. Murilion profile image46
    Murilionposted 7 years ago

    so much people say islam is old and intolerate,here I found not that evidence but people who never know islam itself

  29. gamergirl profile image60
    gamergirlposted 7 years ago

    Posting in an epic trainwreck thread, as per usual.

    See you guys next week!

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Aren't you glad you suggested a religion forum? big_smile

  30. gamergirl profile image60
    gamergirlposted 7 years ago

    I am, there are gems in this forum, mostly threads that don't have ten pages of back and forth arguments! tongue

  31. fierycj profile image85
    fierycjposted 7 years ago

    It never ceases to kill me how muslim extremists are so eager to blow themselves up. I mean, here's the rest of the world taking medical checkups, eating low carb diets, exercising, doing therapy, yoga and all what not just to keep alive, and these guys just go along, strapping their chests with loads of C4, and blowing themselves into smithereens. It gets me all the time.

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol

      Those who blow themselves up killing innocents can not be justified at all in Islam.

      But now consider the case of those whose, innocent mothers, daughters, sisters and wives were raped, tortured and killed ruthlessly in front of them after tying them up, whose respectfull fathers were beaten to death in front of their eyes, properties and belongings looted, houses captured and destroyed, tell me what will be their state of mind??? Do you expect them to roast a lamb and distribute candies to Israeli and American soldiers????????????????????????????????????????

  32. gr8archer45 profile image79
    gr8archer45posted 7 years ago

    I belong to a Muslim family, never once has my parents disapproved my being friends with people belonging to other religions or castes. I may not be the perfect Muslim, but I do pray & read the Quran & I have yet to come across any statements that encourages killing, hurting or even verbally abusing any individual be it Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Christians etc. The Quran states that humans hold the most prestigious position among all living beings.
    The extremist groups who are spoiling the name of Islam are not Muslims in any sense of the word! They are just against humanity and they will duly suffer the consequences in life or at the day of judgment. It saddens me when people compare & fight over religions and nationalities. No religion promotes such profanities, it is the people who hav wrong perceptions & we are all accountable for what is happening in the world today.
    If we hope for world peace, we all need to join hands & come together for fighting against extremism and all the causes that are promoting differences among all.

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I challenge that we can not fight extremism by ignoring the fact and influence of Zionism the world over. Do you know what Zionism is??? The extremists which people talk about do not have any businesses, jobs or bank accounts then who is providing them MONEY, FOOD and WEAPONS??? Think about it.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Now we are getting to what your religion is really all about.

        Just another ISM.

      2. gr8archer45 profile image79
        gr8archer45posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I did not ever say to become ignorant of these issues, i was merely stating my opinion regarding the religious debate. People everywhere hold wrong perceptions about our religion, If we start calling them names as well, wat would be the difference among us all? Our religion teaches us the msg of peace & patience. The same qualities among many were practiced by Mohammad PBUH. He did not seek revenge from his enemies even after He gained victory over Makkah.
        I am well aware of these extremists & the propaganda surrounding the whole Islamic teaching concept. either way we Muslims are being targeted in the name of war against terror, wat about those poor innocent people who have been deprived of their homes, properties, even their basic needs. People have lost their relatives, family members etc. Its not that easy to start fighting or conducting a war against anyone, everyone overlooks the after effects of such issues.

        1. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          you are most welcome and by the way i or other muslims did not created the names like ZIONISM, ZIONISTS, FREEMASONS, NEW CONSERVATIVES etc. These names were given by themselves. If you have any beautiful names for them, do not hasitate to suggest them smile.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            MUSLIMISTS

  33. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    You do understand you are debating with an enlightened one, a messenger of god who has written one book and got ranked over the Holy Quran.

    usmanali-'Regarding me, i am nothing, i am just a lay man,'

    Mohit- "I am not a layman."

    I know god for myself , I dont have to believe anyone including the pope or a  sage,I work for him smile
    And here comes the megalomaniac again, mohit get back on your pills!

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Truth doesn't change because you cannot handle it.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No truth here to handle.

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Give it time, you will understand.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Typically condescending.

            1. mohitmisra profile image60
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You started your crap again.

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Just pointing out your propensity to let your ego run the race.

                1. mohitmisra profile image60
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Speaking the truth.If you had written a book got ranked over Holy Bibles, Holy Qurans,top 10 poetry, top philosophy-Religious, top 10 spiritualism and mentioned it - it would be called truth.Only a foolish megalomaniac , zealot would come and abuse you in case you were really that person.

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Here we go with the megalomania again.

  34. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    i just want to laugh here (not on any particular) ... please let me ... lol lol lol lol lol lol

  35. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    Mohit and Earnest!

    Can't you two bear with each other. Earnest really have some big problem with Mohit. I don't know what's that???

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You don't? Try reading this.
          mohitmisra wrote:

              earnestshub wrote:

                  mohitmisra wrote:



                  Speaking the truth.If you had written a book got ranked over Holy Bibles, Holy Qurans,top 10 poetry, top philosophy-Religious, top 10 spiritualism and mentioned it - it would be called truth.

              Here we go with the megalomania again.

          You are the meglomaniac, the idiot, the zealot, the fool, the swine.
      The list grows...

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        usmanali81 and me are having a nice debate, kindly stay out of it as you don't understand what we are talking about. smile

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Just letting you see yourself!

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Have I lied about my book rankings that you call me names? If I had not written a book and got ranked and then you called me names I would accept it but why should I take your abuse when I am speaking the truth? I have never come to your business forum and abused you.

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              This is a religious forum, i don't believe that has anything to do with business, unless you are trolling here for sales of your book.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                And I am a very highly ranked religious poet/philosopher is simple truth.Means I am very qualified to be here and express my views and I do not lie.

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Your ranking is negligible except on two sites, your poetry is infantile, and how much you know about nothing astounds me.

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Fine. smile

  36. Eng.M profile image74
    Eng.Mposted 7 years ago

    anyway you wanna take the discussion to some place and he wants to take it to another

    don't you get it

    he is saying , I dont need to know what they mean because they don't worth that

    and we are called Muslims ya Marksist

  37. guidebaba profile image61
    guidebabaposted 7 years ago

    My thought is that Islam is as good as any other religion. It is only a group of people who are earning bad name to this religion. Recently there was some "Racial Discrimination" against Indians in the US and Australia. We cannot say all Americans or Australians are IDEOTS or Terrorists because of these incidents. South Africa and even the US have witnessed the war of supremacy between the BLACK and the WHITE. It is only a group of people.

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are damn RIGHT smile

  38. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    Dear Mark!

    You are really a funny guy lol

  39. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    Leaving right now as i have to do some shooting practice big_smile

    Wa salam ( Peace be upon you)

  40. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    You shall not murder!!!  mad
    and brain wash kids to die for you..

    Thats all Ive got to say about that

    1. Eng.M profile image74
      Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      only if some one wanted to kill or control you

      violence is solved with love but with violence sometimes

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

             "These wars are justified or are they lame?
        It is with love and not terror does the One get tame."

  41. guidebaba profile image61
    guidebabaposted 7 years ago

    Are you interrested in reading http://i36.tinypic.com/qygugl.jpg

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      is it OBAMA???

  42. RKHenry profile image80
    RKHenryposted 7 years ago

    Don't click on the picture.  It is a spam journalism site.  If you don't want any unwanted cookies or bugs- I would stay away!

    What a crappy move Guidebaba!!

  43. Rudra profile image58
    Rudraposted 7 years ago

    This is a joke of the millenium.

  44. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Many wars have, and still being fought in the name of God.
    Who-evers name it is done is still wrong!
    Any god
    Any man
    Wrong

    1. Eng.M profile image74
      Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      people who want to fight would find a reason to do so

      they need no men or God

  45. countrywomen profile image60
    countrywomenposted 7 years ago

    Probably you are right about others reading and making up there minds(if not the intended target). I will see about how I feel and decide whether to participate. I sometimes feel drained when the point I am trying to make doesn't seem to go through. Thanks for the encouragement. smile

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My pleasure - he will be back tomorrow after terrorist training school. lol

  46. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    usmanali80 Wrote the following

    Dear Mark!

    I respect you as an elderly man.

    usmanali81 why respect someone only because they are elderly, which Mark is not by the way.
    I agree with Mark, you are rude in the extreme! Not all people are controlled by some invisible entity so that they will behave out of fear. Some of us have the capacity to control and deal with our own processes and do not need to be told that we are somehow less than you because we have chosen to think for ourselves.

  47. kiran8 profile image61
    kiran8posted 7 years ago

    I have nothing against any religion including Islam. In fact I do not believe in Religion. It is the single most destructive institution that man has ever created.It has divided people and most of the religious leaders are nothing but criminals. we don't need religion to guide us..

    1. Eng.M profile image74
      Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      we need perfect rules to guide us , don't we ?

      people are not perfect

      1. Shil1978 profile image88
        Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Religion isn't perfect either - in fact, some religions are more dangerous than people themselves. People who blow up other people state they do so because of their religion and its teachings - don't they? Why is it that they interpret their religion differently than some others following the same religion?

        1. Eng.M profile image74
          Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          it might be because they would act bad with or without religion interpretations

          it is their nature , don't you think ?

          1. Eng.M profile image74
            Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            they may fight for the ideology if religions'v never existed

            1. 0
              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I agree, some would fight for the sake of fighting. sad

          2. Shil1978 profile image88
            Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            If it is in their nature and religion doesn't have to do anything with it --- then why claim one religion is better / perfect / the true religion / etc ?

            Just accept that they are good and bad people in all religions and the good shall go to Heaven and the bad shall go to Hell (if you believe in God). Why categorize some as "infidels" and condemn them and say they will go to Hell, etc?

            That's intolerance - don't you think??

            1. Eng.M profile image74
              Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I think

              may be because God wanted us to worship him by his way
              (simply not having partners with him)
              he may wanted to test us to know whether we would think our religion is better because of ego or because we are grateful to him

              a true religion is approached by loving God & people without seeking fame or anything else

              people should love eachother and show others the way of good
              we do this as we are grateful to whom created us and guided us to good

              people don't judge who is in hell or heaven as we don't know what in the hearts

              1. Eng.M profile image74
                Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                people have rights to God
                their rights to other people is included in these of God
                everything goes back to him

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  And this apparently includes the right to F*** 10 year old girls. wink

                  1. Eng.M profile image74
                    Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    well , some aspects in life can't be taken , understood alone

                    don't you think ?

                  2. Eng.M profile image74
                    Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    discuss the points I wrote before
                    tell me where I am wrong instead of repeating specific points for your own purposes



                    it is about faith
                    no one of us was alive at the time of the prophet

            2. usmanali81 profile image60
              usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              A TRUTH = TRUTH
              AND FALSE = FALSE

              So do not mix them, when Islam claims to be the final truth now, then their is a reason for that. The foremost reason is the other religions themselves prophecised Muhammad (peace be upon him) and instructed to follow him. So, now following the outdated religions like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc is itself keeping our selves in DARK.

              Now you must come towards the light; ISLAM-The Final Art of Living for Mankind.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                So everyone should convert to Islam correct?
                They are obviously worshiping some other  god and false prophets -correct?
                The prophets spoke different truths according to you-correct?

                If this is not called fanatical behavior-what is?


                This like god telling his left arm to chop his right arm off- madness.

                Please do understand all other religions believe there will be one more prophet after Muhammad if not a few prophets after him.

                1. 0
                  Writer Riderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Bingo.

                  1. usmanali81 profile image60
                    usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    After getting the real true picture, everyone SHOULD accept ISLAM and if they don't, then it's their own choice and no body can force them. Now that's BINGO

              2. Shil1978 profile image88
                Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Who are you to sit in judgment of "truth" and "false?" Who gave you and your co-religionists the right to sit in judgment of that? You just prove the fact by your postings - the fact that you are an intolerant lot.

                You and others like you are just like the Taliban in mindset -- you have just covered yourselves with a veneer of apparent modernity.

                It is funny to see people like you drown in your own propaganda. Please yourself and believe in your grand delusions -- for you have nothing better to do than to try and prove the "greatness" of your own religion.

                And people wonder why Islam breeds intolerance? With an attitude like that - should one wonder why the Taliban destroyed the Buddha statues in Afghanistan? Its intolerance and it seems to be a hallmark of much of your co-religionists.

                1. usmanali81 profile image60
                  usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  lol may be Taliban was trying to teach Bhudhas, not to worship statues as Bhudism also denounces images of God.

                  Regarding judgments, i did not made it, these are the judgments made by your own scriptures, you don't believe it, go ahead, enjoy!

                  1. Shil1978 profile image88
                    Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    So - what you are saying is that you supported the Taliban blowing up the Buddha statues in Afghanistan.

                    The same intolerance showed by the Taliban exists in you as well --- only difference being you choose to mask it for the most part.

        2. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          ISLAM is the only perfect way of life remained to be followed. Islam does not promote killing.

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            "There is no need to change your faith,
            And on your old religion lay a wreath."

            Like I said before only someone who is ignorant about god will try and convert someone and only an equally ignorant person will convert.

            Also you mentioned the Parsees living in Iran , they escaped into caves and mountains when the massacre was taking place and came out of hiding years later when the madness had stopped.

            1. mohitmisra profile image60
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No religion in the world promotes killing , all promote peace and oneness. smile The prophet has understood the oneness of this entire cosmos and shares this message .
              God exists in everything.

          2. Shil1978 profile image88
            Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            There is no such thing as a "perfect way." Such words indicate an arrogant mindset that says --- my way is the only way, the only true way and all other ways are trash, etc, etc. Which is what you have been trying to prove unsuccessfully here.

            If Islam does not promote killing:

            1. Why are so many of those who carry out terrorist attacks Muslims?

            2. Why do they justify their actions in the name of Islam --- obviously some verses are open to interpretation - aren't they?

            You may say it does not promote killing -- however, what is the ground reality? Are they not killing and don't they expect to be rewarded by Allah?

            1. usmanali81 profile image60
              usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              There are some things which are perfected by Allah, your Lord and my Lord

              Ch 3-The Table, V 3"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

              Those who blow themselves up killing innocents can not be justified at all in Islam.

              These SWAT talibans are mercenaries, we found genetically engineerd dates alomst equals the lenght of a hand and burgers in a foreign packing. These are enough evidence that these people are bought by Zionists and are misused for maligning Islam. Further the weapons which they use are totally Russian and Indian made.

              Regarding ground realities. Read this http://hubpages.com/hub/READ-NEXT

              1. Shil1978 profile image88
                Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                "we found genetically engineerd dates alomst equals the lenght of a hand and burgers in a foreign packing."

                Lol - is that the best you've got to explain the Taliban? So, let me see. What you are saying is that the Taliban was created and air-dropped into Pakistan/Afghanistan? Is it?

                Where did these enlightened Taliban gain their education from? Which madrassas were they? Do I hear madrassas in Pakistan?

                Oh wait - but I can see another Zionist conspiracy theory being put forward to that as well smile

                1. usmanali81 profile image60
                  usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Shill1987,

                  i am really very sorry about your mental condition, any way, there are 100s of more methods to drop them in Pakistan, for example, by road, 100s of roads lead to Pakistan from IRAN, INDIA, CHINA, AFGHANISTAN, RUSSIA and there are 100s of no mans lands in these territories where these mercenaries get their training from Zionits.

                  Further, there are different tribes and groups in some of these areas. Zionists also use to buy the elders of some trouble making groups, train them, feed them with dumps of food, weapons, money, ideas. These things then automatically distributed to the people under a group lead by it's elder.

                  Now you will ask how Zionits come in these territories??? They come via HONARARY MASONS most of whom work as PMs and Presidents of the countries involved. Also some of the leading businessmen, diplomats, higher officials are hired as honarary masons who help them achive their goals. Ultimatly, Zionts buy people from both sides and watch them fighting, killing and butchering and that's the prerequisite of the awaited Antichrist-One eyed Dajjal

                  By the way how you got your training for degrading Islam by making such foolish replies.

                  1. Shil1978 profile image88
                    Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Lol - who are you kidding? The Taliban were neither air-dropped from the skies not transported via roads. They studied in madrassas in Pakistan. Face facts, instead of living in denial.

      2. Shil1978 profile image88
        Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Just to add ---- there are no "perfect rules." That's a myth. And no religion can claim to have laid down "perfect rules" for people to follow!!!

        1. Eng.M profile image74
          Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          may be you are right

          but people can't know the perfect rules when they see it because they are not perfect

          1. Shil1978 profile image88
            Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So, you mean to say --- religion doesn't matter --- because people can't see the "perfect rules" anyways because they are not perfect, as you put it!!

        2. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Myths are ISMs bassed on Pagan ideologies. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/14597

    2. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      hhmmm...World War I and II were not the product of relgions rather the ideologies were from ISMs and none of the ISMs believe in the ONE God-Allah.

      So, look at the history, even today and then make your decision again.

  48. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    If Islam is the religion of peace
    then what religion do the 'taliban' follow? hmm .....yea right!

    1. Eng.M profile image74
      Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      same one as mr.Bush

      1. Shil1978 profile image88
        Shil1978posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Doesn't quite answer the question --- don't you think?

        You know the time when the Taliban were ruling Afghanistan, I came across so any muslims on online discussion forums (all educated ones) who were praising the Taliban for implementing the "true Islamic way." Now, I ask you this --- were they all wrong?

        Now, of course, a lot of them shy away from owning up to the Taliban openly -- because they've gotten so much bad press. But, still they argue that they were essentially good people --- and still are good people. So, there seems to be a confusion amongst muslims as to what to make of the Taliban.

        Why this confusion. Why don't they all share unqualified outrage at what they Taliban did and still do?

        1. Eng.M profile image74
          Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I don't know
          I am just trying to say that some people act due to their religions but in fact they are not told anywhere to kill innocents


          I don't really know them to judge them
          but it could be just the case of chosing between two bad alternatives
          I think the Taliban were very extreme in implementing Islam


          you are right
          it is so much contraversial
          I haven't really met one of the Taliban
          but if they are killing innocents people then I am completely against them
          and I am more against those who kill more innocents than the Taliban do (The US army)


          what do the Taliban still do ?

          best regards

  49. 0
    sandieganlizposted 7 years ago

    All I got to say is obviously "rajabilal" posted this forum to create a strong debate and stir up controversy.

  50. JonTutor profile image60
    JonTutorposted 7 years ago

    Are you  joking... ranked over Quran and Bible in Sales/Popularity?  How come I have never heard of you?

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Stepping out, its time. smile

 
working