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Is your intuition right about God?

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    Rad Manposted 2 years ago

    I read something a while back about how intuition evolved to get us out of dangerous situation and that if you are using it for anything else you are more likely wrong. I then noticed people in these forums say that they just KNOW God is real and that no amount of reason will prove anything different. One person freely admits that intuition is the obvious way for find the truth. I wondered if anyone has ever studied wether intuition get the right answers or wether people who rely more on intuition belief more strong in God. One google search found this interesting link from Harvard University.

    What are your thoughts?

    http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~jgreene/Gre … JEPG11.pdf

    1. HowardBThiname profile image88
      HowardBThinameposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      To me - intuition is akin to "instinct."  Like the deer that senses a predator or that feeling that your mom is going to call and then the phone rings. It's just one more sense - a type of sixth sense - that science has yet to pin down.

      Energy is a fascinating topic and one we don't quite understand yet. You need not be standing by a person to hone in on their energy. It's only "strange" because we don't know how it works.

      To many - it probably seems strange that a virus can mutate in two different places of the world - at the same instant. And yet - it happens.

      Is is proof of a deity?

      I don't think so.

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        Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Intuition and instinct are similar but intuition is basing your choices on things learned from your environment and instinct is more primal (flight or fight). As the link illustrates some use intuition to do math and get the wrong answer as a result. When we use instinct rather than reason to decide if God exists we seem to come to the decision that God exists. My point is that if reason gives you the right answer to question than why use intuition to decide if God exists?

        1. HowardBThiname profile image88
          HowardBThinameposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I agree with that. I shouldn't have used the word 'instinct."

          Granted, intuition draws on what we've stored in our brains.  Using intuition to verify the existence of a Creator borders (to me) on superstitionism.

    2. JMcFarland profile image92
      JMcFarlandposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Not to mention the problem of when instincts contradict.  We see this in competing religions, and we also see it within the SAME religion.  All think that they're right, and their confirmation bias confirms that they are, but other competing instincts and religions contradict them.  It all comes down to the position of "i'm right, because I feel I'm right, and if you disagree with me, you're obviously wrong.  Why?  Cause I feel that way and I said so".

      That can't be used as proof, and it's the furthest thing from objective you can get.  It stops conversation in its tracks.  As an atheist, I can say that it's my "instinct" that god doesn't exist.  A believer will say their instinct says he does.  Where do you go from there?

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        Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Well, when it is shown that instinct produces the wrong result, we use reason when produces the correct results. That's what was done in the studies.

        1. JMcFarland profile image92
          JMcFarlandposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I'm just saying that relying on intuition and instinct means that you can justify anything, and dig yourself in and insist that your intuition is correct, and competing intuitions are automatically wrong, when they disagree with the one you've already decided on.

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            Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            And I agree completely. It's rather unfortunate for them that the studies on intuition show otherwise.

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        christiananrkistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        couldnt say it better. from there, nothing.

    3. Thomas Swan profile image92
      Thomas Swanposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Very interesting, though I wish they'd differentiated between intrinsic and extrinsic religiosity. The `belief in god' and `religious experience' questions could be applied to both, though perhaps the intrinsically religious would score higher. It seems important for this research though because intuitive beliefs may be more prevalent for the intrinsically religious.

      Other lines of research have shown we also have a `hyper-active agency detector' which causes us to attribute agency to unknown phenomena in our environment because it is adaptive to do so. For example, hearing a bush rustle in the wind will produce the intuitive thought that there is some `agent' (person or animal) in the bush. It was adaptive to do this in the ancestral environment because people who did it survived! This may therefore contribute to our ability to form beliefs about gods, spirits and ghosts. I talk about this in my hub "Does God Exist? Ask A Cognitive Scientist".

      A section from my hub "What is the relationship between religion and morality?" provides further evidence of intuitive beliefs:

      "We have evolved a superstitious trigger for moral behavior, which works for atheists and theists alike. An experiment by Shariff and Norenzayan showed that when people were unconsciously primed about concepts related to gods, spirits, and prophets during a task to unscramble sentences containing those words, they were more likely to be generous in an economic game. Another experiment by Jesse Bering showed that participants were less likely to cheat when they were told a ghost was in the room with them."

      Thus, we seem to have an intuitive attraction to religion because it confers pro-social benefits and is parasitic upon our threat-detection systems. Taken together, the finding that religion is often intuitive is therefore not surprising, though it was important to confirm it more explicitly.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Kind of an interesting question really. I know for me, intuition isn't something I often rely on. There are a couple of reasons for it.  Mine isn't always right. I've had terrible intuition about people the first time I've met them only to become very attached to them later on and to learn that my initial perception of them was entirely wrong. I've also experienced just the opposite: great feeling about someone in the beginning only to discover that they weren't such fantastic folks after all. To say that I never trust my intuition wouldn't be entirely true either, though.  As far as spiritual matters are concerned, I tend to, yes, go with my gut. Let me explain why...

      I am, by nature, one of those folks who loves to know that I'm doing the right thing. That I'm following truth and that I'm accepting things for what they really are. First, I don't like looking like a fool. Second, it just seems that one would want to align themselves as closely as possible to what we know to be true and real and factual. That said, I've put my faith - my God, however  you want to put it - up against reality so many times expecting to see it all come crashing down around me because it just isn't real or rational or logical or whatever. I can't make it go away. I can't comfortably make myself believe that what I have faith in as far as spiritual matters isn't real.

      So, for me, although intuition isn't something I generally put a lot of stock into, for my spiritual life, I trust it. I wouldn't go so far as to call it my sixth sense, or use it to confirm I have a third eye, or anything such as that, but I'd sure say that it tells me there is a God, that God did make me, and that God does love me.  It also tells me that no matter how I may feel about other people or their attitudes or their weird ideas, I'm supposed to love them. If I didn't follow my intuition as far as that goes and set out to be entirely reasonable and rational with folks, I wouldn't always be kind. So, for me, my intuition is right about God.  It doesn't mean it's a provable fact that he exists and that I'm going to be able to suddenly pull concrete evidence out of a hat, but because it is as persistent as it has been for me for so long, I just can't deny it to myself.

      smile

      1. Prodio profile image61
        Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        What evidences do you have to back up your claims?         hahahaha




        smile

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          Motown2Chitownposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah.  None.  Sorta what intuition is.
          wink

          1. Prodio profile image61
            Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            This intuition thing is all bunkum!     hahaha!

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              Motown2Chitownposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              For most, yes.  But ED and I have an understanding.  He lets me believe in my bunkum if I don't try to shove it down his throat or make him believe it. smile And my intuition has never told me I'm required to do that for God to love me so we're good.

              1. Prodio profile image61
                Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Too much reliance on subjective feelings? Childhood indoctrination?  wink




                This is quite funny, lol! Do I sound like an atheist?  hahaha!

                1. EncephaloiDead profile image59
                  EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Subjective feelings and childhood indoctrination usually produce these kinds of claims:

                  1. Prodio profile image61
                    Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Good job! My colleges will take that for what it is!   hahaha

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Are YOU asking me?  Or just anticipating what someone else would say?  There isn't a need for that.  He and I have had many a decent, respectful, and polite comversation about these things.

                  1. Prodio profile image61
                    Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, I was actually asking you these questions just to demonstrate (the true nature of) how atheists on hubpages normally take these subjects. And he is not the only one of them.

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        Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        "I know for me, intuition isn't something I often rely on.
        Mine isn't always right.
        I've had terrible intuition about people…"


        "So, for me, although intuition isn't something I generally put a lot of stock into, for my spiritual life, I trust it.
        So, for me, my intuition is right about God."


        smile

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          Motown2Chitownposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Hey, you asked! tongue

          I've never said it made sense...just that it made sense to me.  I'm a woman of contradictions; what can I say? My husband tells me that all the time.

    5. Cgenaea profile image60
      Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Rad!!! wink
      The whole intuition thing helps at first to drum up enough faith to say yes to God. However, experience with him is required to continue in faith. And the experience is spiritually tangible, but that's it.
      Now one may read a lot of books and determine that the stuff that makes up the human mind is tangible but that is a lie. We cannot see what makes those microscopic molecules move around in our brains though the molecules themselves can often be microscopically realized.
      When you die, you are a clump of decomposition. But something is missing. The microscopic stuff is STILL there. But there is no animation.  The UNSEEN element is gone.
      I remember sitting on my son's bed yelling my aunt's name as she slipped away. I saw nothing leave her body. That part of her was gone.
      Truth is, we cannot see that animator within us. That's where God is.
      I believe in God. Not without proof though. He showed me proof of him in a dream I once had. It was amazing. And I had that exact same dream from start to finish for three nights in a row. Now I cannot replay it for you. But it is etched. I'm convinced. I do not need you to be convinced. Just telling what I know.

      1. EncephaloiDead profile image59
        EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Dreams are just our brains firing randomly while we sleep, they aren't real.

        1. Cgenaea profile image60
          Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Right. I can see how you mean that. But the randomness of dreams implies that the same exact dream from start to finish for three nights in a row is something much more.

          1. EncephaloiDead profile image59
            EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Recurring dreams are common, but they still aren't real, they're just dreams.

            1. Prodio profile image61
              Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              "Recurring dreams are common, but they still aren't real"










              What do you mean by real?

              1. JMcFarland profile image92
                JMcFarlandposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                ED - fair warning.  I think that he thinks he's a wanna be presuppositionalist.  Have fun with that one.

                1. Prodio profile image61
                  Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Good job!







                  "People think they can come in here, be rude to people, speak for a group of people of which they are not a part and carry on a full conversation with themselves.  Have fun with it."

                  http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2593028

              2. EncephaloiDead profile image59
                EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                First of all, you are not here to discuss anything, you've made that crystal clear. Hence, it is pointless to answer your questions for that reason.

                Secondly, there is this amazing thing called a "Dictionary" and another amazing thing called an "Encyclopedia" for which you're free to use at any time that you're unclear on the definitions of words and concepts.

                And last of all, we are not here to teach you anything. It is up to you to educate yourself if you wish to join the discussions.

                1. Prodio profile image61
                  Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  So - in other words - you can't answer that question?

      2. Prodio profile image61
        Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for sharing this.  :-)

        1. Cgenaea profile image60
          Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Thank YOU!  smile Truth is important. They will all KNOW one day with knees in the dirt. But we must extend the invitation and share what CHRIST SAID. Not what Genaea or Mo or Prodio said. We follow ONE path. Because only one path is laid to the father. Jesus knows the way. I know that.
          I did not get my evidence by searching for God in books written by those who search as well. My books were inspired by God to ensure that I am on target. I cannot follow Christ if I do not fully take in what is written there. He came to set the captive free. Slavery is not possible when we accept his gift no matter WHO we get our paychecks from. He has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the "wise".
          The battle is almost over.

          1. Prodio profile image61
            Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Beautifully said, sister. May God bless you, and always keep you amid health, prosperity and affection.

            1. Cgenaea profile image60
              Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Geez... nice... Thanks! smile
              I think I heard someone say u were hard to talk to. That aint so strange though. The spirit of the Lord lives within. And it agrees with you. CHECK CHECK CHECK. We must try the spirit by the spirit. It's amazing how that plays out.

              1. Prodio profile image61
                Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                That's very true. You are quite insightful.

                1. Cgenaea profile image60
                  Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh stop! Lol... The Lord IS my shepherd.

                  1. Prodio profile image61
                    Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Will keep that in my conscious. wink

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        Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        So we use intuition to come to a decision that we base your life on, knowing that when doing so intuition is generally wrong. We become emotionally involved with that decision so we don't use reason to access the decision.

        Gotcha.

        1. Cgenaea profile image60
          Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Funny... smile you color so well.  Always just inside the lines. smile but no such thing as pink grass. smile

    6. Cat333 profile image82
      Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      In another forum Rad Man and I were having a discussion which led to a question of intuition, when he began this forum. I'm not sure if I'm the person who allegedly says intuition is the way to find God, but if so, it's an inaccurate statement.

      Rad Man wrote in that forum at the time he started this forum: "It's been proven that intuition is wrong when not used as it was evolved to use. Reason comes to the correct answer. You are claiming intuition is correct and reason is wrong? Can you supply evidence that reason and logic produces wrong answers?"

      My response:

      I didn't suggest we use intuition instead of reason, though I understand that to the natural mind these are the limited options. How can you even say "reason comes to the correct answer" - You really think humans are so all-knowing, they if they just use their "reason" they'll come to all the correct answers?

      Reason and logic produce wrong answers all the time, but are only recognized as wrong AFTER new discoveries. So for example, our reason and logic would tell us that drinking the bottled water is healthy because water is known to be healthy. But then we discover that the bottled water was sitting in excessive heat and so is dangerous because of the cancer-causing parts that leaked into the water when exposed to heat.

      I haven't seen those strictly adhering to the human-designed rules regarding logical fallacies getting any closer to the truth or demonstrating their cases more convincingly, whether believers or unbelievers. In fact, it looks like the logical fallacies are a distraction and an excuse for avoiding genuine openness to the truth.

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        Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        You clearly didn't read the link. Intuition is telling that logical fallacies are a distraction. I understand you want to protect your beliefs, but to what extent will you go. Read the link before you continue to tell me intuition produces the correct answers and logical fallacies are a distraction.

      2. Cgenaea profile image60
        Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        I agree. "That's just a ____ fallacy!" Is filler. It comes when the point made has no obvious rebuttal at hand. We are all fallacious (atheist incl.) in the face of the many argument rules the "Lord fallacy" thunk up in his worldly mind. He has many devoted "followers" here...

        1. Cat333 profile image82
          Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

          You always put things so well, Cgenaea!!

          1. Cgenaea profile image60
            Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Uh. I got help. wink ssshhhhh! Don't tell the others. They will never believe you. Distorted sight/distorted sound.

    7. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image86
      HeadlyvonNogginposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      So, is it not your intuition that you rely on when you read the bible and 'feel' something is particularly immoral? Isn't it these intuitive 'feelings' that you then use to build your conclusion regarding the motivations of the writers based on how it reads to you? Things that seem so plainly and intuitively clear to you, leaving you baffled that others don't see it the same way?

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        Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        No, I use reason to come to those conclusions. Does it make sense? Does it add up? My intuition tells me if a bear is sneaking up on me or if someone is about to attack me.

        1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image86
          HeadlyvonNogginposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          It's also your intuition that makes you think something is "true" without having anything to actually base that conclusion on. Like when something is deemed particularly "good" or "bad". You can then apply reason to justify your initial intuitive feeling, but when there isn't a clear definition, like in cases of morality, most times its intuition that "makes the call".

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            Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            I don't base morality on intuition. If I did, I'd be wrong most of the time. We can use reason to determine if it's right to kill someone because they didn't give you their lunch money. Reason tells us if thinks make sense or not. Do you think it's a coincidence that people who use reason to determine the right answer to test question are also more religious?

            Reason tells me that an all knowing/powerful/loving God wouldn't say are women unclean after giving birth and would force them to kill goats to cleans themselves of sin and he wouldn't say that giving birth to girls is more unclean or sinful.

            1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image86
              HeadlyvonNogginposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              You're attempting to apply reason to things that have a whole spiritual aspect to them. In Jewish tradition there is a close tie between the state of the body and the state of the spirit.

              I realize a lot of the more spiritual aspects don't make logical sense to you, but that's because you discount it all as 'not real' or 'not relevant'. Think about it this way. What if God created a place where people with free will can live out their lives and only do so much damage? The bible makes it clear there are two realms at play, this one and what comes after. The only way to pass from this realm through to the other is through death. You must be spiritually read to make the transition. This is the same transition made by an animal who is sacrificed. There is reason and purpose to it all, but it's not going to make sense if you discount the whole spiritual aspect of the story.

              No, I don't think think it's coincidence. I agree that most religious types are happy to accept what was taught to them and generally don't turn a critical eye towards those things. But I don't think that kind of information leads one to any ultimate truths about anything.

    8. Prodio profile image61
      Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      What have been your intuitions regarding this thread?

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        Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Based on past experience the information provided will be dismissed as invalid and unimportant because it conflicts with a belief.

        1. HowardBThiname profile image88
          HowardBThinameposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Intuition is learned - and biological. While an adult might "sense" danger in a certain situation, a toddler doesn't, which is why they run into the street without a backwards glance.  Only after we learn and internalize those lessons do we start to draw in them intellectually - giving us "gut feelings."  Your study was good and there are many, many more that show intuition isn't some supernatural power - it's a biological construct of our physical bodies.

          Male testosterone reduces intuitive ability studies show.
          http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ … 042314.php

          That would explain why women - and less-masculine males feel they are intuitive.

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            Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Oh dear, if people who use intuition more often are more apt believe in Gods and men who are less masculine are more apt to use intuition does that mean men who believe in Gods are less masculine? That may upset some people. I don't really think that's the case, but it would be interesting to study.

            I'd like to add that there certainly is a place for intuition. I've used it several time to stay out of trouble.

          2. Cgenaea profile image60
            Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Interesting and I agree that testosterone cuts down on intuition. The previous definition of intuition was tied to the fight-or-flight response which testosterone provides in abundance. Therefore testosterone and intuition are not really related.
            To me, intuition is a knowing without knowing and is very often correct.

          3. Cat333 profile image82
            Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            A couple of points here (hopefully not too critical). Most of us don't imply that intuition is a "supernatural power". Our intuition helps us in many ways (beyond simply sensing danger), but most recognize the limits of intuition. While human "reasoning" may be an obstacle to belief in God (and paying attention to intuition may push toward acknowledgement of God), neither reasoning nor intuition will result in a saving knowledge of the Lord. That is the work of the Holy Spirit himself.

            If testosterone "reduces intuitive ability", then that would be why females and "less masculine" males HAVE MORE INTUITIVE ABILITY, not merely "feel they are intuitive", as you stated (showing disrespect for the strengths of particular people).

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              Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Am I reading that right? Are you suggesting that what we think about Gods wether using intuition or reason has no bearing on wether we believe in God because that decision is left up to something undetectable?

              I am honestly trying to understand.

              1. Cat333 profile image82
                Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Neither the one relying on their own reasoning, nor the one relying on their own intuition (or one who uses a combination), can on their own come to a saving knowledge of the Lord of the universe. This is the work of the Holy Spirit. We seek, we ask, we knock... HE responds. Only when we seek AND he responds do we come to a saving knowledge of the truth.

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                  Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  I see, thanks, you are say that thinking style is irrelevant while the report on the studies show otherwise. Can you please give reason for this that isn't simply an intuitive response?

                  1. Cat333 profile image82
                    Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm not saying thinking style is irrelevant when it comes to a general belief in God (so no, I'm not arguing against this finding of the studies). I'm saying thinking style is not the way to come to a SAVING knowledge of the Lord - the Holy Spirit himself is the only way to come to this.

                    The assumption here is the direction of "us to God"; I'm saying the true direction is "God to us".

                    An intuitive style, which facilitates a general belief in God, may open us more to the Holy Spirit. In this way it plays its part, but the greater and always needed part is revelation by the Spirit.

                    Reasoning may hamper a general belief in God. The inflexible use of reasoning may limit someone - they may not allow themselves to be open and receptive to the Holy Spirit.

                2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  This would be scientifically accurate. Humans are not 100% conscious as God / Holy spirit is.

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                    Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Your pulling our legs right?

                  2. Cat333 profile image82
                    Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Thank you for affirming, Kathryn L Hill!

      2. Silverspeeder profile image60
        Silverspeederposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        That religion, its supporters and its detractors are the biggest cause of discussions on the Hubpages forums..............................

    9. Tyrone Smalls profile image50
      Tyrone Smallsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I know God is real and He talks to all of us on the daily. Some of us ignore Him some of us listen. We also have our own thoughts which can over ride His still small voice, but if you get in a quiet enough place, turn off all the distractions, you will know the difference between your thoughts and His voice. He will answer any question and He might even make you laugh. Talk to Him just like you talk to us. "ylynd'

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        Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Voices inside your head that can give you information? Hmmm. Prove it.

        Next time you are chatting ask him to prove his existence to Rad Man. What was the name of the street I lived on in 1980? Go ahead… make me a believer.

      2. Cat333 profile image82
        Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Amen!

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      christiananrkistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      i never like the "i just know God exists". for one, its not what the bible teaches. 2 those some people would make a decision like that with anything else in their life.

      1. Cat333 profile image82
        Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        I know God exists, but I don't "just" know he exists - I've met him, walked with him, talked with him, heard him, experienced his manifest supernatural presence, witnessed miracles and personal supernatural healings, know numerous others who've experienced the same things, have had shared experiences with others without any influence on their experiences (by not disclosing to them my similar experience before they spoke of theirs), and on and on.

        I don't make my other decisions similarly at all and tend to be skeptical about everything. Do aliens exist? Doubt it. Is time travel possible? Doubt it. Did someone really see a ghost? Doubt it. Is the accused guilty? While others may form an opinion based on intuition or evidence (and generally do), to me it's hard to ever get to "beyond a reasonable doubt" because there's so often the possibility of confounding factors, such as the framing of a person. You see, I don't think I KNOW much of anything else. Just that God exists. And that's because the Holy Spirit has revealed him to me and sealed me in him. I can be talked into and out of a lot. In fact I'm really quite a push-over in the majority of ways. Am I sure I'm parenting in the best way? No, not really, got any advice for me? Am I sure that's the best financial decision? No, not really, got any advice? Am I sure that's the best place to move? No, any advice? But when it comes to the knowledge of the Lord, because I am sealed by the Holy Spirit, I cannot be moved by any statements, findings, or anything else provided by anyone apart from God. Praise be to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who in his mercy has chosen to reveal truth to me and I pray to all those who are open and willing to receive it!!

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          christiananrkistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          i know where youre comin from on that. due to personal experiences and what evidences and philosophical thought has been presented to me over the many years of being a christian, it would be near impossible for me to be convinced God did exist. i would never say "i just konw" either though.

          1. Cat333 profile image82
            Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Makes sense.

        2. EncephaloiDead profile image59
          EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          But, we know you're just making that up from your imagination like you do with most everything else.



          Yes, as I've mentioned several times, indoctrinated believers will often criticize other aspects of their lives, just not their religious beliefs. And, they will reject or deny (as you do) anything they see that will jeopardize those beliefs.

          1. Cat333 profile image82
            Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            "But, we know you're just making that up from your imagination like you do with most everything else." That is the easiest way to dismiss what I've said (and others say), isn't it?

            "Yes, as I've mentioned several times, indoctrinated believers will often criticize other aspects of their lives, just not their religious beliefs. And, they will reject or deny (as you do) anything they see that will jeopardize those beliefs." We could be "indoctrinated" into many things. Why is faith the sole one maintained for many who can critically analyze all else? And why are these people who supposedly maintain "mere indoctrination" so often the ones who speak of a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with the Lord?

            Do atheists do just what they angrily accuse Christians of doing - imply they are "special" and smarter, the ones capable of analysis who "opened their eyes", while those who follow the Lord are mere indoctrinated fools who should open their eyes and become like the atheist?

    11. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not even sure what intuition is.

      It seems to be the process of making decisions or judgments based on preconceived notions.

      I suppose this could be either good or bad, depending on the situation.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    Extra Sensory Perception: We have five senses. We have imagination. We have instincts. We also have a sixth sense. It is the sense of knowing things directly through the use of the third eye, situated in-between and just above the eyebrows. This is actually the seat of the soul. The energy of a person is actually all knowing just like God. (Since we are part of God i.e. "made in his image..."/ we are made out of the pure essence of God. "Heaven is within...") But the other five senses are used almost exclusively when we inhabit our physical bodies. When we switch our focus to the seat of the soul we can perceive reality in the form of truths, knowledge, ideas, and the essences of living beings. We can read auras and comprehend astrological signs of others and perceive information about events, past and present and future. We can perceive the force and essence (felt in the heart as pure love and joy) of God directly.
    I could end with Thats The Way I See It, per usual, but no, Thats The Way It Is.
    TTWII

    1. Thomas Swan profile image92
      Thomas Swanposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Prove it! heh.

      You're entitled to your beliefs, of course, but I can't help speculating on why you possess them.

      Anxiety is an emotion that appears to have four separate sources that were relevant in the ancestral environment - and that are therefore important to our present experience of the emotion. These anxiogenic cues are related to intra-species violence, predation, contamination or threats to purity, and loss of social status. (see Boyer: http://philpapers.org/rec/BOYWRB )

      1. You said "The energy of a person is actually all knowing just like God." thus making all people intrinsically good.
      2. You said: "we are part of God i.e. "made in his image"" thus making us intrinsically superior to all animals.
      3.  You said: "we are made out of the pure essence of God" thus making us intrinsically pure and free from contamination.
      4. Finally, your beliefs all suggest a special level of perceived knowledge about what would be highly adaptive traits (if they existed), thus averting any concern for a lack of status.

      You appear to be addressing the main causes of anxiety. What's more, anxiety is essentially a `fear of the future'. So when you said: "We can read auras and comprehend astrological signs of others and perceive information about events, past and present and future." I couldn't help but make the connection.

      I find that many superstitious and religious beliefs are rooted in our concern for and attempts to alleviate anxious thoughts.

      I do apologize if this reply seems overly analytical, but whenever someone professes to believe something that can't be proven, my skepti-sense tingles and I can't help myself lol.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Me too. I will not believe anything unless proven. My search for the truth began around the age of fourteen and had nothing what-so-ever to do with anxiety. When I was twenty I did not believe in God. Now I am approaching 60 and I know everything I said above is true and proven by myself to myself. I cannot prove it to anyone else. Each to their own.

        1. Thomas Swan profile image92
          Thomas Swanposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Indeed. I would say that searching for truth is as admirable as ending that search is lamentable.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            yep.

        2. EncephaloiDead profile image59
          EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          That isn't true at all, you have offered a huge list of things you believe that haven't a shred of evidence let alone having been proved, for example:

          We also have a sixth sense. It is the sense of knowing things directly through the use of the third eye, situated in-between and just above the eyebrows. This is actually the seat of the soul.

          Sorry, but there is no evidence for a sixth sense, a third eye or a soul.

          We can read auras and comprehend astrological signs

          Sorry, once again, there is no evidence for auras and astrology is pure bunkum.

          1. pattyfloren profile image82
            pattyflorenposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            If someone told you there is a third eye and you believed it because you experienced it, and at the same time through understanding the context of what you saw, That in reality is an existence of God.  Why because to perceive this, one had to see that eye even if it was explained by someone other than self.  That's what I believe.

            1. EncephaloiDead profile image59
              EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              No, that's just a fantasy that may seem real but it isn't.



              That's nice. smile

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          Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          If you can't prove it to anyone else reason should tell you that you may want to have another look at what you are thinking.

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      Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Did you read the Harvard studies? When we use intuition to make decisions other than times it's evolved to be used for we get the wrong answer and as it turns out people who use intuition rather than reason tend to me more religious.

      When we are young children some of us are told Santa is real and most believe what we have been told until we are old enough to begin to use reason. Reason gives us the right answer.

    3. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      firstly ....   Gotta agree with Ya.   I can't prove any of the reasons why I do, Intuition tells me so.

          Where did Einstein learn the things he learned.  He knew many of these things that he later proved to himself and then to the rest of the world.
         Wonder how he would define intuition, seeing as how he seemed to have had an overabundant amount of it. My intuition tells me he would describe it differently than is commonly accepted today.

  3. Cgenaea profile image60
    Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago

    Now YOU may be convinced of that. But my dream was not just a dream. Three nights in a row is very significant.

    1. EncephaloiDead profile image59
      EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      No, it isn't, that's quite common.

      1. Cgenaea profile image60
        Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        So God speaks to a lot of people through their dreams. I have heard. smile have you ever had such a common occurrence?

        1. EncephaloiDead profile image59
          EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          That can't be true. No one can consciously make those kind of determinations while they're sleeping, they are not in a conscious state in which to do so.

          What you've "heard" is just hearsay.

          1. Prodio profile image61
            Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            "they are not in a conscious state in which to do so"



            What does conscious mean?









            And what is a conscious state?

            1. Cgenaea profile image60
              Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I think I see where you're going with this.

              1. Prodio profile image61
                Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Well, you know, it's just like asking a color-blind person to describe how the color golden looks like.




                They *think* they can answer it!

                1. Cgenaea profile image60
                  Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Without the ear to hear (that you must receive) no hope of hearing. Cannot describe the color golden. Good work!!! What did you say you wanted for Christmas? wink

                  1. Prodio profile image61
                    Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    The world needs a bit more kindness. And a bit more love. That's it!

                2. EncephaloiDead profile image59
                  EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  But, since the color golden is well known by a great deal of people on the planet, your analogy fails to the tiny minority it refers.

                  If you wish to use a much larger demographic as an analogy, try using the one attempting to explain reality, facts and evidence to religious believers who deny or reject them. That number is quite a bit larger.

          2. Cgenaea profile image60
            Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            That can't be true. No one can consciously make those kind of determinations while they're sleeping, they are not in a conscious state in which to do so. (Quote)
            So my dreams had nothing whatsoever to do with my conscious ability to make up reasons to believe God exists??? That's what I said. It is God.
            Since the dream was wonderful; I woke up in amazement. Then forgot about it during the day. And once again I had the SAME dream with no variation. I woke up quickened and thought something like wow!!! Same dream. Freaky...
            But THEN for a THIRD morning, I awoke having had the EXACT same dream! I had to take a poll... never happened to anyone I know! Nor a few I DIDN'T know. So maybe it aint socommon. And maybe God showed me my future (in full swing currently) in a dream... as MORE proof that he in FACT is my companion; and I do belong to him. You choose for you. I have already chosen.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              How can you tell the difference between a god speaking in your dream and the dream itself?  How does your conscious mind delineate between the two?  Or do you just decide it was a god because you like that answer?

              How do you go from "maybe" God showed you the future and saying God spoke?  To "proof" that He exists and loves you?  You chose, but based on a "maybe" instead of truth and fact?

              1. Prodio profile image61
                Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Sometimes - an intuition (this is the word that comes closest to denote it)  may be so powerful - it might become self-evident.



                Sometimes.







                [By the way:  Can you tell me what are dreams made of?]

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Actually, the question was how to know whether it was a god or a dream.  Not how to guess...

                  1. Cgenaea profile image60
                    Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Hey, we may create our own realities. Mine says God. Yours says different. We are starting to move into turnip phlebotomy here.

                  2. Prodio profile image61
                    Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    What are dreams made of?

              2. Cgenaea profile image60
                Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Ok, you are my favorite now. That other one is not sure who she/he wants to be yet. But you know. smile
                I am not in a position to explain the spirit to you beyond the fact that it happens BIG in my sleep. My sky daddy gave me a confirmation that he speaks to me via unconscious dreamland. Two years before my daughter was born, I had q dream about her, her father and I in our new home. She was about the age she is now. But this was two full years before she was born. Now how the heezy would I know that I'd have a baby girl with this dude who was far from me at the time; two full years before??? Who'd a thunk it???
                So, I got proof. smile many years AFTER I said yes. I walked in search of God (no way trying to prove he is NOT there) listening to his voice. He rewarded me with an abundance offaith ewith proof that I can put my hands on. He makes it plain after you give yourself. To whom much is given; much is required. He works with us according to our faith. When we believe him; he shows himself plainly.

                1. Prodio profile image61
                  Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  I need to ask you something..




                  What are your thoughts on scientists? -Satanic spirits? Reincarnated spiritual masters? Deluded God-childs?

                  1. Cgenaea profile image60
                    Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Scientists? Some good to the world. Heck! They gave us processed cheese and smog. smile I have no issues with science.  There is much to be learned. Though I wm absolutely no good in science or math which must also be scientific; because I am horrible with Aunt Sally and LxW= I (b4) e accept after c. They can HAVE that junk. And I don't care...
                    Satanic spirits? We are plagued daily and increasingly. When I was a kid, I had dreams that people, monsters, animals all took turns chasing me. And I was always running and performing miraculous Matrix-type feats in my dreams to get away.  I ALWAYS got away. And I always woke up in a sweat or heart palpitations. I was also a devout insomniac. I wonder if one had to do with the other. Nevertheless., I believe my dreams then to be devinely inspired.
                    Reincarnation? Nah. I think that once you die, there is then the judgment. They spoke if it biblically,  but it had been explained from the perspective of the nonGodly. I don't remember Jesus speaking of reincarnation. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
                    Child gods??? There is no other God. Some may MAKE gods of many different things. But there is only one.
                    Please let me explain trinity.  (Been kinda long-winded) To me,
                    God the father, God the Son, and God the holy spirit are three separate entities.  The God part is spirit. The father is the head. He allows Jesus to sit next to him and reign. As God. The holy spirit rules our minds/hearts, I mean conscious wink as a constant reminder of God. Simple really. But one MUST make a big deal out of the foolish (trinity is a man-made word to denote the relationship) things as a deterrent. Self is a very big deal to some.

                2. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  So you know, but cannot tell.

                  Unfortunately, that is a common answer from people that haven't a clue, and deserves no respect or belief whatsoever.  Because, whatever you might think, it means you can't tell the difference.  That you make the call because you wish it to be true, because you like the answer, not because you know it to be true at all.

                  1. Cgenaea profile image60
                    Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Correction: I know; but YOU cant tell; the color golden because you have no ear. smile
                    If you go down and get your free ear, the Lord will whisper in it.

                  2. Prodio profile image61
                    Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this
            2. EncephaloiDead profile image59
              EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Nope, it's just a dream you had because you believe in God, so you dreamed about it. I like golfing and often dream about that, too. So what?



              Sorry, but your dreams aren't real, you just want them to be real, obviously. Had you any understanding of dreams, you would know your claims are just silly nonsense.

              1. Prodio profile image61
                Prodioposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Nice plug in. Connect to electricity.

              2. Cgenaea profile image60
                Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Avid golfer. Hey, that's a nice internet persona... I'm just saying. 
                Uh, you never answered my question. How many times have you had the exact same golfing dream from start to finish three nights in a row?
                Before you answer, remember how very important intellectual honesty and nonfallacious statements are to you.

                1. Thomas Swan profile image92
                  Thomas Swanposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Personally, I've had the same dream 3 nights in a row... lots of people have. Lots of people are also able to convince themselves that something is true because they want to believe it. It's called wishful thinking.

                  1. Cgenaea profile image60
                    Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Finally! Someone who GETS it... go on brother! Tell what the Lord has done for you. wink

                2. EncephaloiDead profile image59
                  EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  I haven't had the same golfing dream, but I've had others, just like everyone else.



                  Yes, but they are not important to you, which is a big part of the problem.

                  1. Cgenaea profile image60
                    Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    I see things differently.
                    You are being unclear; and I know there is purpose behind it. You would say that you have had the exact same dream three nights in a row "many times"??? Then consider it truth? Well, if so; grab a pen the next time it happens. God is tryna tell you something. It's only happened to me once in my life. And none to many others I've asked.

  4. pattyfloren profile image82
    pattyflorenposted 2 years ago

    Can you then explain how faith (which is such a strong word in holding on to the word) is going to help make those dreams real?  You said you went after your dream by faith and the dream came true.  Same for everyone?

    1. Cgenaea profile image60
      Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Now, I know how I speak; and that aint it. I actually said nothing about going after my dream. It was not that kind of dream. This dream came upon me. Golden platter. smile I chased nothing but God. He showed me what was to come, and ever will be (for me and mine).

  5. Cat333 profile image82
    Cat333posted 2 years ago

    I'm not yet clear on the role of intuition in the general sense that God exists. God has put a sense of himself within people of all times and places, so that they have tended to know of him to some degree regardless of circumstances.

    But to know him personally requires more than intuition. It requires meeting him through his Holy Spirit. The Spirit is the one who himself reveals truth to us and who then seals us in that truth.

    As for the studies, two thoughts: 1) It is entirely possible that human's own reason gets in the way of belief and truly reason alone cannot be relied on in seeking spiritual truth. Scripture supports the idea that our own reason could blind us and separate us from God: "Because that which the world deems foolish in God is wiser than men's wisdom" (1 Corinthians 1:25); "For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe." (1 Cor 1:21); "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. (1 Cor 2:14)

    2) As stated in Psychology Today, "The task used to assess preference for intuitive or analytical thinking actually involves asking people to solve problems where there is an intuitively appealing but incorrect answer, so that to reach the correct answer the person must reject their initial intuition. The nature of the task itself therefore sets up a dichotomy in which intuition and reflection are incompatible. This may well apply much of the time but there is intriguing evidence that the two modes of thought sometimes operate in a parallel rather than a conflicting manner." Looks like the studies are pretty biased and misleading, designed to illicit a certain desired response.

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      Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Actually there have been tribes of people with no word for God and no concept of any Gods.


      Actually all the studies did was show that intuition leads to incorrect answers and people who rely on intuition tend to me more religious.

      Sure intuition and reason can exist together, but teaching and practices using intuition for things it will come up with the wrong answer for will lead us to wrong answers. Intuition have evolved to get us out of bad situations, not for doing well on a math test or understanding the universe. When people such as yourself talk about God they speak of him as he is something intuitive and dismiss reason as false.

      1. Cat333 profile image82
        Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        When it comes to that which is of the natural world (e.g., math), you will do well to use what reason you have. But when it comes to the spiritual, supernatural world, no amount of reason can take you where you need to go.

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          Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Special pleading.

          Sorry, if it's wrong because you didn't use reason it's still the wrong answer. Notice you came to that statement using a logical fallacy, which means you didn't use reason. If using reason for math and science and getting right answers and using reason to check to make sure you have the right answer gets you the right answers how can you be sure the one thing you want to use to determine God exists (intuition) is the right answer?

          It's like insisting that insisting that a ball is 10 cents and a bat is $1 and the bat is a $1 more than the ball and then telling everyone else that you are right and we should all think like this.

          1. Cat333 profile image82
            Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            First, I don't use intuition to determine God exists, but rather he through the Holy Spirit has revealed himself and sealed me in him. Your idea looks at it in the direction of us to God (intuition to reach him) but the true direction is God to us (he reveals the truth).

            Second, I understand that reason won't work for that which is outside the realm of natural reasoning - you cannot reason your way into falling in love with someone, for example (though you may reason your way to acting in a loving manner). We can use reason when it is called for, use intuition when called for, and go beyond human reasoning or intuition when called for.   

            On your own, your ability to determine truth is limited by your ability to reason and/or intuit, however small or great that is. God is not so limited and those whose knowledge and wisdom come from him will not be so limited as those relying either on human reasoning or human intuition.

            So what to do if you haven't yet met the Lord? No point in relying either on your reason or your intuition. Just stay open and answer when he calls.

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              Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              You are forgetting that I was once a believer in both God and Santa, without knowing it I used reason to consider if they were real. I used reason to understand that we can't have a relationship with someone impossible to contact or find in any way possible.

              It's interesting how people who use intuition rather than reason tend to have stronger beliefs in God.

              1. Cat333 profile image82
                Cat333posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Not at all, I remember that you once believed that God exists. But did you know him? Had you met Jesus Christ, the Truth? Did you have the Holy Spirit within you confirming your belief? What were your experiences with the Lord? Had he REVEALED himself to you? Or did you simply have a belief in his existence, a belief that Satan came and snatched away?

                Since God is Spirit, we find him when we seek him in spirit and in truth. Spiritual truths come not from reason or intuition, but from the Holy Spirit himself.

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                  Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Those are your opinions. If God wanted to and could reveal himself he would reveal himself to all not just the gullible. It doesn't hold up to reason so you are most likely left with the wrong answer.

                  1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image86
                    HeadlyvonNogginposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    God revealing Himself to any and everyone would infringe on free will. Only revealing Himself to those who willfully seek Him does not. It stands up fine to reason.